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Date: Fri. Nov. 7 2008 9:07 PM ET
General Motors Corp. will trim about 3,600 North American staff, including 500 in Canada, as the auto giant grapples with a major third-quarter loss, which it released Friday.
The auto giant said the layoffs will come early next year as GM reports a net loss of US$2.5 billion this quarter, which were blamed on shifting market trends and a struggling global economy.
The numbers were seen as "reflecting rapidly deteriorating market conditions in the U.S., slowdowns in other mature markets around the world, and continued losses at GMAC Financial Services," GM said.
Meanwhile, GM announced that diminishing funds have forced it to halt acquisition talks with Chrysler. GM also warned that company cash reserves could dry up next year.
Revenue in the third quarter was at $37.9 billion. In the same period one year earlier, GM's revenue was $43.7 billion.
This year's drop translates to share-value deterioration of $4.45.
The news from GM came only hours after Ford released its own grim financial update earlier in the day.
U.S. president-elect Barack Obama addressed the auto sector's problems in his first press conference since being elected on Tuesday.
He called the auto industry the "backbone of American manufacturing" and pushed the Bush administration to help speed up the distribution of a US$25 billion loan program. It would be used to help automakers create more fuel-efficient vehicles.
Canadian reaction
At GM's Oshawa, Ont., plant, workers and managers have already begun to prepare for assembly line slowdowns and potential staff cutbacks.
However, Oshawa mayor John Gray added that he doesn't anticipate any shifts will be lost.
"Obviously it's not good news out of any of the auto manufacturers. It's about consumer confidence in the United States and I hope they can get it turned around because if they can't, it's going to hurt us even more if we don't get that consumer confidence back."
Gray suggested a government bailout shouldn't be ruled out since the industry is vital to the nation's economy.
He said the industry simply needs help to get through a difficult period.
"I look at what the automotive manufacturers are doing right now, the innovations they're doing, the products they're going to be coming out with in just a few short yeas," Gray told CTV Toronto.
"But we have to get them to that point and that really mandates that the government needs to step in and provide some loan guarantees, because with these numbers they're not going to be able to get a cent from anybody."
Still, even veteran auto workers at the Oshawa plant, which ships 85 per cent of its product to the U.S., fear they could be laid off.
"It is possible, anything's possible, everyone is living on the edge," 20-year auto worker Bob Bawdy told CTV Toronto's Austin Delaney Friday.
Other workers expressed similar worry about their future at the Oshawa plant.
"Well, everyone's on pins and needles, I mean there's been so many lay offs," said another worker who declined to give his name.
"It's not a good feeling."
Meanwhile, the U.S. slowdown has sent shockwaves through Canadian industry.
Earlier this week, about 250 workers at Magna plants throughout the Greater Toronto Area were told they would be laid off on Dec. 23.
Plants in Newmarket, Bradford and Vaughan will be affected as Magna posted its first net-quarterly loss in 17 years.
Ford losses
The Ford Motor Co. said earlier Friday it lost $129 million and spent $7.7 billion in cash in the same period. The company also said it would be forced to cut 500 white-collar jobs in its North American offices.
Ford's losses resulted in a drop of six cents per share for the quarter -- but $1.31 per share overall, which was higher than expected.
One year ago, Ford lost $380 million, or 19 cents per share.
As a result of the losses, Ford said it will shed a further 10 per cent of its North American salaried workers in a desperate attempt to survive the current global economic slowdown.
Much of Ford's troubles result from lagging sales of high-end Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles. Twenty-two per cent fewer Jags and Land Rovers rolled off of dealers' lots in the third quarter, resulting in a drop in sales from $41.1 billion to $32.1 billion.
Both Ford and GM said recently that factory production needs to reflect declining sales -- which will likely translate to further job cuts for both.
The Associated Press reports that neither company is planning to close factories, but may well slash shifts, ban overtime and schedule temporary plant shutdowns.
GM is also expected to slow down its product development schedule.
The president of the Canadian Auto Workers union told AP he hopes Ontario workers will be protected from the job cuts.
"We're watching with anxiety," Ken Lewenza said on Thursday.
"I'm hoping that they're not going to announce more layoffs because we've suffered. I'd prefer temporary layoffs, temporary shutdowns in lieu of anything permanent until this darn economy turns around."
Lewenza added that the Canadian government hasn't been proactive enough in ensuring the domestic manufacturing sector weathers the economic storm.
"Our problem here in Canada is that we don't see the urgency out of the Canadian government the same way we see urgency out of the US government."
Top executives from Ford and GM travelled to Washington on Thursday to make an argument for more federal funding to help deal with declining sales. There is no word yet on whether the request was granted.
BNN's Michael Kane said governments in Canada and the U.S. need to decide whether the auto industry is too important to allow it to fail.
"You can look at it as a sick patient. They're in intensive care and they're asking for certain medicines to get better with and it's up to government to figure out how much they can afford to prop up these outfits," Kane said.
With files from The Associated Press
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JP in North Saanich, BC
said
They did two things to bring on there problems-
First - they we like many other businesses - Greedy- raising prices to make great profit when economy was good, second - when makers like Honda and Nissan and others began selling in the North American market- The Big Three sat back and watched- they did not change or adjust and now they will pay the price-
Lets HOPE that Harper does not bail them out in Canada.
As for Auto workers making huge salaries in the past and now possibaly losing there job- so sad that now they will have to do so physical work for a change.
Wade: Buying a foreign care kills 2 jobs
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Eerytime someone buys a foreign car 2 jobs are lost in the economy forever.
How many people has your family put out of work?
James
said
NH
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Wes
said
Their reliability has been flushed in the toilet.
Joshua in Windsor Ontario
said
The banks did not know when they gave a unemployed person with no down payment and job the mortgage would go bad.
The banks did know if they made a $400,000. mortgage loan at 32% over 40 yrs with 2 yrs of low payments the banking rules allowed them
to put $5,120,016.72 in assets on the books the total value of the mortgage with montly payment of $10,666.70
This huge assets value for little money out the door made it look like they were buying money and making huge profits, then taking monster bonus cheques for the excecutives in the millions.
Now many lenders have no money to lend as when the mortgage went bad they have to write the $5 million off there books and the cash compared to obligations to lenders is very low.
And thats why the banking problem effects borrowers for cars.
Tyler on the bus
said
$10,000. is added to the average car to cover benefits.
That doesn't happen in South Korea but the Union doesn't get it.
Steve
said
Adele Calgary
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The good news is parents can't get a tax deduction if there kids say the lords prayer in school.
The bad news the government taxed the auto industry out of business in Canada.
Ontario your Liberal voting habits have cost you your job!
Mike from Edmonton
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Wendy In Montreal
said
NON UNION WORKER!
said
This works for teachers, city workers ETC cause they just raise our taxes to cover it, can't keep raising car prices to cover there expenses and expect same sales.
Ryan
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Chris Ont
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Simon Shaw
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Dextre Tran
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Gwall
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Bonnie
said
The only one getting rich was the head of the union.
If 95% unnemployment was a Bush thing, then that should have warned them to change their ways.
Every year they pumped out useless models that had to be changed the next year but didn't look to the future, even when the European vehicles came on the scene.
I hope that when Oboma takes office, he won't be long making the changes needed for the Environment.
Canada is alway waiting to see what the American's will do and we will follow. (except Mr. Dion)
I imagine the American's will use the empty auto plants to start making better automobiles with a cheaper work force.
Win, win for everyone.
Can't wait.
Mr. Oboma won't work well with Mr. Harper. One is Liberal and smart the other in Conservative and dumb.
The Conservatives are in their second term so who's causing the unemployment now.
RVH
said
Change is needed yesterday for GM, Ford Chrysler
said
GM, Ford, Chrysler need to build cars like a Honda Civic, Ridgeline, Accord, Camry, Yaris, and a FEW crossovers. QUALITY and DURABILITY is the key as well as competitive pricing.
They need to focus on making the car LAST not crap out in 36 months right after the warranty like they do.
They need to educate their dealer network to be customer centric instead of being money grubbers willing to cheat a customer at the drop of a hat. (ie one dealer charged my 85 year old mother $27 each on two occasions to change a rear light bulb!!)
mark in bc
said
Work hard and smart/ make money. Don't work hard and smart/ lose money.
Works for Toyota and West Jet!!!
Maybe some of these big companies should go back to business school to get their smarts back and leave us lowly tax payers alone.
Bonnie
said
Then you know it's not right.
Bob
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MIchael (Ottawa)
said
Honda Canada has a productive work force building a great product in Alliston Ontario and is prospering. GM, Ford need to go talk to Honda. Chrysler needs to go bankrupt they make junk worse than the other two.
I don't want another penny propping up an industry which refuses to bite the bullet and do what they need to do to build a high quality vehicle at a competitive price which consumers want and employ Canadians and Americans.
Gas mileage matters and NA manufacturers have the technology but they don't want to go there.
FINE, then go out of business. Honda hybrids are coming 'en masse'. Works for me.
Shamaro
said
When they should have seen that down the road, people were going to stop buying expensive oversized vehicles because of oil prices, they continued to churn out their gas guzzlers and now in a desperate attempt to get back in the game, a major recession, if not a depression has hit the economy.
This is a lack of vision by Ford's senior management and the board of directors who didn't take heed to the warnings. Now the middle class worker in this sector, both manufacturer and suppliers are going to be stung because of the failure of these greedy stubborn men.
Andy from Montreal
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Stevie
said
I have no sympathy whatsoever! They brought this on themselves!
DD from NS
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Labour unions must get realistic
said
We have essentially unskilled auto laborers making artificially high wages and benefits gained through union threats of shutdowns.
If the assembly line workers can triple their production and help make the companies profitable again then they can keep their high salaries but productivity hasn't kept pace with wages.
Unless the companies can make a profit they will need to shutdown. If labor is unwilling to help then forget it.
Pete in London
said
-The international trade took away thousands of good paying jobs overseas to China, India, Asia = Lesser and lesser good paid jobs here.
-Car safety standards,options and overall quality have made cars very expensive
-People are leasing more and more because of high prices.
-A car factory today, in high gear will output a new car every minute(60 per hour).
In a nutshell, there are many used vehicles from first term leases or trade ins and these cars, because of superior quality will last much longer. Throw in the fact that high paid jobs are getting scarce and you will start to get the picture.
In the 60's and 70's, cars were on average between $2000 to $8000 for a loaded Cadillac. They lasted 4 to 6 years. They were pretty much junkers after that.
Today you can't buy anything under $15,000 new and the high ends are $40,000 and up. Because of higher quality rust wise and advancements in electronics making the power trains go 1000's of km's more, people will hang on to their cars much longer and/or buy used if salaries and jobs are less and less secure.
Bottom line: high quality, high prices, lesser jobs and longer lasting cars are all contributing to the downsizing of the auto giants. Next in line will be the Toyotas and Hondas.
I predict we are going to go back to the much cheaper more basic cars that might last less but will provide a more stable industry. Those under $8,000 cars are already being produced in China as we speak.
Jass
said
Toyotas make junk
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I also had a 2000 Toyota Tacoma that Toyota had to buy back from me because of the frame rotted away making the truck unsafe to be on the road.
Can you guess why I am getting rid of my last Toyota and will NEVER consider one again.
Bob
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Jason
said
I guess you don't read any of the car magazines or look into who is winning awards. Because GM now wins far more Quality awards than Toyota or Honda. and by the way maybe you should look into the recalls that Toyota has had in the last 5 years and then let me know who has Quality cars!!
André B. St Catharines, Ontario
said
as much as the taxpayer have to. There also has to be a guarantied number of jobs tied to the money.
KW
said
As I see it, they have the responsibility to lead the way in manufacturing vehicles that are safe and efficient, and to explore alternative technologies. Sadly, it seems that they did not focus on environmental realities, but simply on greed.
Corporate deadbeats whining again.
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I don't want excuses, I want results.
There's a reason your businesses are failing: You're bad at business.
Why would I want to work for some crap corporation
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Move to China if the only management technique you can muster is exploiting cheap labor.
Larry, Vancouver, BC
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Auto Industry Watcher
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Kelly O
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On the other hand, I hear people saying that these companies should go green. Have any of you actually been paying attention to what they are doing in this regard? Ford is the leader in many alternative technologies. Take a look at the New York taxi fleet. 3/4 of it is Ford Escape hybrids now. Also Ford is the leader in hydrogen based tech.
As for reliability, I own a 2000 Focus and have not had 1 problem with this car. It gets great mileage, 53 miles per gallon on the highway and 41 in the city. I'm sorry but I don't see any Toyotas that are getting that other than their hybrids. I think many peopleout there are very brainwashed into thinking our products are inferior when in fact they are as good if not better than their Jap counterparts. I think people need to do a little more research before they go hacking our products here at home. And by the way, go look at the awards that were just handed out for 2009. Ford won 2 catagories, GM won 1 and Chrysler also on 1. That was just under half the awards. The Japanese makers only won 2 in total. Make educated decisions, don't be sheep!
Toyota's quality isn't what it used to be. I know many people who have been sucked in by that and are now dumping their Toys because they are falling apart! Even though your Toyota or any other foriegn brand may be built in North America, the money heads back to Japan or wherever, it doesn't stay here and help our economy.
Shawn - MTL
said
How many people has your family put out of work?
"
So let me get this straight wade it is the fault of people like me who would rather have a quality, economical, dead reliable car that is killing auto jobs in Canada, well then I guess myself and my family have killed about 10 jobs so far. I drive a Honda why because they are amazing if domestic cars like GM, Ford, or Chrysler had cars they were better than Honda I would be driving one right now but domestics are crap. It isn't my fault that theses people are working for car companies that design crap
Blame it on your union!
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Mary C in Calgary
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Jason
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Evan from the GTA
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Steve the Pundit
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The Big 3 didn't build small cars because we didn't buy 'em. Now, when gas prices go through the roof, we expect them to turn on a dime. Big manufacturing operations don't work that way.
None of this excuses the problems of poor reliability, excess union wage demands and lousy productivity that have plagued this industry (and many others in Canadian manufacturing) for years. Let's recognize that, while related, these are separate issues.
And for those that advocate letting these companies go under:
- get used to large government deficits due to sharply reduced taxes and increased EI payments
- get used to layoffs in other industries that depend on autos
- get used to reduced standard of living across the board as people can no longer afford to buy stuff and the economy grinds to a halt
- get used to drops in the value of your homes as former auto sector employees walk away from homes they can no longer afford.
Still OK with letting them sink?
What's a foreign car?
said
The factory is not unionized, but it pays wages equivalent to the unionized factories.
PHEV GIRL
said
1. The Environment
2. The Cost of Drive
They need to roll out mass production of affordable EVs and PHEVs NOW!
Ian in N.B.
said
The death of the Blue Oval and Golden Bowtie can't come soon enough.
KM
said
Quality is job # 37
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I did and they chose Honda, Toyota Nissan.
North American cars have planned obsolescence which means they are built to break down instead of built to last. Who is kidding who here? Been there done that and had all the repairs bills to show for it.
Honda all the way now.
A cheap Honda is better than a new Cadillac or Lincoln quality wise or even Mercedes whose quality isnt so great anymore.
Simon Shaw
said
The problem lies with the removal of tariffs that protected the big 3 from foreign economies that pay their workers 3 cents an hour.
We cannot compete with China, Japan or India. Why would we want to? I like having a neighbour that can afford to buy a nice home and a cottage without having to have a university degree. Somewhere along the line, those of us with degrees, started believing that we are the only ones that should live with dignity, while those who work in the manufacturing side of our economy should live in squalor.
Jenna
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Vince M
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I mostly blame the auto workers union for pay awards terribly out of whack based on the educational level of the employees.
So here we are today. Poorly manufactured automobiles noone wants made by workers noone can afford.
Helene
said
Oh and by the way, the comment from Wade that "Everytime someone buys a foreign car 2 jobs are lost in the economy forever" - not sure where you live, but the Japanese have plants here - Toyota is even building a new one out in Woodstock; so you're confused with your information. Nevermind the fact that ANY car can be built anywhere - the only way you can tell is the VIN on your vehicle - the first digit tells you that (my car knowledge).
It all comes down to the fact that the Big 3 have always been behind the times and they pay their unionized workers an absurd amount of money that they can't afford to lower their prices.
No one should have to bail them out. Unfortunately, this will equate to big losses, but they dug their own hole.
Al
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Doug in SWO
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-$10,000 per vehicle sounds right. I read where there are more non-working (retirees)people on GM's payroll than people actually working in a plant.
- a friend of mine (early 1980's) worked for GM and was laid off regularly at up to 75% of his regular wage (combination of EI and GM I guess)
- the days of the "union" making the work place safe is long gone. Unions are resting on their laurels of 50 - 60 years ago.
- high paying, low skilled jobs to those who are fortunate enough to join and follow a union's doctrine makes no business sense - but unions (membership) don't concern themselves with that because someone (highly paid union exec) will pout and stomp and cry to management until they get their way. - they (union) call that negotiating)
- I wonder what wages would look like if union members were forced to negotiate their own pay - like the majority of working Canadians
- let's have the companies offer union workers $12.00 per hour and see who agrees?
- Unions today - good for what?
joe
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dave
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Don from Calgary
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Pete
said
Maybe when times improve, they can earn those top dollars again but these days they need to make sacrifices in order to survive.
RVH
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dave
said
long term employment practice for both executive and employees, along with questionable investment return on very upbeat earning projections over the past decade, along with continuing blindly to produce antiquated product of questionable quality by old methodologies. all round, a less than strategic business model.
Alex (Toronto)
said
Every large exporter needs help surviving the financial crisis. There is nothing special about car companies. They are first in line because they are the biggest exporters. The government needs to develop policies to help companies survive the crisis; there is no special requirement for or from car companies, except from their size. Canada's car companies need finance to be able to export cars and components; it's not like people aren't buying cars. It's true that the demand for certain types of cars has changed suddenly, but that change didn't come from the car companies and wasn't anticipated so quickly by anyone.
Japan has a lot of non-tariff barriers preventing good North American cars from getting market share in Japan. We need to get past the Conservative anti-union rhetoric and avoid this devil-take-the-hindmost attitude when a destructive wave is coming. Conservatives don't seem to understand that most jobs don't magically happen without companies and finance. Tax cuts only help people who have jobs.
Mary C., Calgary
said
blame on unions who were simply trying to get a better deal for workers back when the big three were pulling in money hand over fist will fade with the exciting promise of state of the art wheels. I can't wait.
Kelly Spongberg
said
Beverly - Lethbridge
said
Can't see why GM and Ford don't understand this basic concept of business. Build a better, more reliable vehicle and you will retain consumer loyalty.
Keep following the same patterns as in the past and you will lose your market share.
Protectionism is ALWAYS trumped by family economics.
Chris
said
I counted all comments. Here is the result.
87% say for the big 3 to start making reliable vehicles.
The rest still defend the big 3.
Honda manufactures in Canada and the people take their money home to spend local.
IT all does not go to Japan.
When we say big 3 Ford is no longer on that list so be careful.
My advice is for the domestic guys to re-proove their quality.
I have GM and jsut bought Honda. The Gm cost me to much to maintain.
Margaret
said
Unfortunately, what happens to the Big 3 plays a big part in the economy in Ontario.
People forget about the small companies that supply GM, Ford and Chrysler. They are certainly not paying top wages to their employees and usually have very strict budget controls.
They are the companies and the people that will be affected the most if things do not improve...
I don't know what the answer is, but the Big 3 need to take a step back and check out reality.......they cannot continue to operate as if they have all the money in the world!
Leave unionized workers alone
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W in Oshawa
said
Also, while I do not agree with governments bailing out these companies, the government is partly to blame for the wages the unions are demanding. Housing, utilities, taxes, the cost of everything keeps increasing. If city councillors, MPPs and MPs get huge increases, why shouldn't the regular people? Besides, when the wages of these employees go up, so do the tax revenues.
From other comments, it seems that we should exploit our workers and return to turn of the 20th century labour practices. Maybe then people will realize that cheaper usually means imported from somewhere with poor labour standards and lower standard of living for the average person.
msamour
said
They are now paying the effect for their poor choice of infrastructure investment.
Richard
said
Why not I ask?
Dennis EDM
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RTL
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nc
said
After years of govts. allowing to let these theories play out. Less taxes, smaller govts. deregulation etc. I will admit in some cases the govt. of the day made some bad choices in either promoting these theories or becoming a consequential player in this mess.
I find it hard to feel empathy for these denizon of lessez faire free markets.
Here they are going to capital states with woe is me and please "Sir can I have some more soup"
I think the govts. must help out (Tax payers are paying for this mess) in order to save the state.
If all of these organization were allowed to just die. The tragedy felt by the state would be gargantuan.
So we have tried these theories. Let us now go to a place of a more balanced ideas. Where each plays their part, the businessman and the worker and the govt.
GL in Montreal.
said
Had they not kill the electric car over 30 years ago and keep improving the technology, they will for sure be ahead of everyone in the industry. They didn't have vision to produce product with leading technologies and with good quality. Now they ended up have to play catch-up with competitors. Sorry, being big alone does not deserver to be bailed-out.
Our tax dollars should go well-deserved businesses that address customers' needs with innovative products. Those business will and should thrive and will also bring in quality jobs for everyone.
Nanook
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Anne R
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The reality is either you help bail them out or you will be paying a ton of ei payments to workers who have lost their jobs.
Robin the Hood
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Prof. Pye Chartt
said
The "Big Three" have been on a self-destructive course for decades now. Arguably, were it not for the nationalistic sentiments of countless North Americans, GM, Ford, and Chrysler would already be bankrupt. Along with our tax dollars, they've been taking us for a ride for a long time.
Spare me any lecture about an industry quality award here or there. The Japanese and Germans have been making superior vehicles for eons. Everybody knows it.
CYNICAL ARMCHAIR PREDICTION(S):
After receiving money from the U.S. government, GM will go bankrupt and cease to exist. (The Corvette division will be successfully sold.) Chrysler will then go bankrupt (possibly while tied to the same life preserver as GM) and cease to exist. Ford will go bankrupt, and then partner with a foreign automaker just to keep old Henry's name alive.
Good luck, UAW.
NOTE TO OTTAWA:
Keep your hand out of my back pocket. I don't want one more dollar of my tax money going to these turkeys. They've been trying to convince us, for years, that if they only had just a little more money they could turn things around. Time's up. We're done.
Teresa, London
said
I have 2 questions for the Big 3 automakers.
Why were you not able to read market trends and adapt?
I'm sure there are several well paid executive postitions within your organizations that seen this coming.
Second question for these manufacturers, who have posted profits for more years than I have really been concered about the economy. How was a SMALL independent Canadian company able to obtain technology, design and manufacture a NON-Fossil Fuel using vehicle right here in Canada? This company seen an emerging market, & took the initiative to start manufacturing a product to meet the demand. Anyone every heard of the ZENN Motor Company? LOOK IT UP AND ASK YOUR MP AND MPP WHY WE CAN'T DRIVE THESE CANADIAN MADE VEHCILES IN MOST OF CANADA.
Carling (Ottawa)
said
A few years ago we traded a Mercedes C class due to the poor frequency of repairs for a Honda Accord EX sedan V6 and leather. The Accord is much better quality and never disappoints unlike the Benz which was always in the shop ripping us off time and again even for a simple oil change. No more!
Quality and reliability is paramount and if the Big 3 want to survive they need to offer a better product as well as service. I suggest they go study what Honda is doing.
P IN OSHAWA
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exAmericanGal
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Janet, Mississauga
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Anne Ottawa
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Susan
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fred in pickering.
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Lindsay
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I have tried to warn fellow Canadians/family etc. regarding buying imports and not supporting our North American Manufacturers for years.
Wouldn't it be a hoot if now they are all taxed for the bail-outs they have caused.
Of course, we will all suffer with them.
Too little.....too late now!
Dave - MTL
said
At the Democratic convention I attended in Denver when Obama won the nomination the parking lot was filled with imports.
Eerytime someone buys a foreign car 2 jobs are lost in the economy forever.
How many people has your family put out of work?"
My family drives Hondas and Nissans, and neither of us have put people out of business because my Honda is made Ohio and my nissan was designed in California and built somewhere in the U.S
MuskyBuck
said
Henry Ford was the creator of an idea that didn't quite end the way it was started.
He envisioned transportation uniting a country. He's known for being a person who cared very much for his fellow man, as well as the idea of producing low cost vehicles to pave the way.
Today's 'Big 3' are a bloated, gorged, slow and sickly version of Henry Fords' vision.
There are only a few in these companies that know what type of business they really do, they are the most wealthiest.
People need to see these 'Big 3' as a dynasty of money more than a tradional business.
For example my business and a lot of others recieve no breaks or subsidizing. My business works because I care about my customers and what I am attempting to sell and promote.
I get no bailouts and I shouldn't. I'm a business, it works based on my values.
The values shown by the 'Big 3' clearly show a need for profits, money for all shareholders and those above them.
It's time for these tainted dinosaurs to die and a new species to take their place, provide eco-economy friendly employment and practices.
Keeping these old dogs alive with money injections will only stave off the inevidable.
And progress needs to have them die off.
HB
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LL from Brantford
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Matt
said
I think GM is starting to get it. They're making very competitive vehicles, and selling them at good prices, my new Malibu stacks up very well against the competition.
I didn't expect it to beat out my original first choice (Altima, also assembled in the US)
Most of the vehicles sold in North America are built in North America. The product is getting better, and the unions are sometimes being a bit more reasonable.
I don't think it is going to be easy, but the auto industry can definitely recover.
As far as a leaning towards import brands, I still share a bit of it, and I think it is a bit of a holdover from decades of uncompetitive overpriced product. I think it will just take some time for people to realize that those days are over.
D in Chatham
said
GM will never be gone. It may be rearranged, separated or it may shrink to accomodate lower sales but GM will never be gone. Our governments (USA and CAN) will never allow so many people to be out of work at the same time. We are not just talking about people directly employed by GM. There are the people that make to parts GM uses and the service industry that these workers use. GM's demise will affect so many more than those employed directly by GM. If so many people are out of work then the tax base will shrink significantly. The gov't will never allow that.
Paul in BC
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Honda Canada has just opened another huge plant in Ontario. Their civics are made in Canada so they are 100% Canadian and fuel efficient. I recently purchased one of these Canadian made cars. So if you purchase a "foreign" car it is likely made in Canada too. Remember all repairs are made in Canada as are all the sales teams.
Steve in Montreal
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Unions will join the big 3 in the same scrape heap.
Trevor Wade
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People might not have bought imports had THE BIG THREE woke up and smelled the coffee years ago. No, GM wanted to build the Camaro. A muscle car. So, we should buy a GM and not a Toyota so we can keep the BIG 3 happy and prosperous? They can only look in the mirror at what has happened. I hope the US never bails them out.
Vince M
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They build "Japanese" vehicles in Canada and the US. I am buying what my neighbour builds.
BB in B.C.
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1. The domestics will need a club to hit the sheeple over the head with to convince them that North American quality is on par with imports.....or wait another 20 years for it to sink through the thick skulls of some import fans.
2. When the big corporations have had enough of trying to survive in North America they pick up and move to where they can. That really helps us doesn't it?
3. I bought into an import franchise in 1987 thinking the auto industry had to embrace small fuel efficient vehicles. I sold out in 1999 after watching all the manufacturers build bigger, faster, more horse power, more useless expensive features year after year because that's what the public wanted.
4. I'm still driving my 1995 GM truck because I need a truck and the one I have runs flawless.
5. Real estate sales people get paid way more than union workers for far less work.
Anthony
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Ian Ottawa
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VIip
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Inge - Toronto
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Jay, Ottawa
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MW 1 from Windsor Ont.
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It costs Toyota and Honda relatively the same. The big difference between the US and the Hondas and Toyotas is they have no legacy costs. No one has retired from any of their plants, yet.(they are all relatively new to N.A.)
I listened to John McCain tell the people of Michigan that he drove an American car. How strange it was to see him drive away after the election in his new Toyota.
Some of you people may want to be carefull what you wish for. The price of Labour may just go way down for EVERYONE. That is what our leaders want. They will be ok. Will the rest of us??
Pat
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Matt
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The assembly plant is only a small part of a car.
Components and design work are globally sourced.
There just aren't mass production vehicles with a single country of origin.
Automotive is a very global industry.
Les in Kitchener
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Hell, they can't do any worse.
my take on this
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Brian
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Greg - Signs and Wonders
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Step up Union, Step up Membership.
Ian- AB
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JP Basher
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Pip
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If a senior management automatically gets a bonus of several hundred thousand dollars - or even several millions - regardless of performance, is that reasonable business practice? If that senior manager earns several million per year, what is the differential compared to the person who actually makes the vehicles? Why is it that senior management feel they are worth 40 or 50 times the money of the workers? And how does that differential work out for union members and union bosses? Given the lack of planning on the part of the managers (producing gas-guzzlers when the market was turning to gas misers, bomuses or inflated salaries seem to be the wrong approach. Don't blame the line worker for building what incompetent managers decree.
Maybe look at those differentials to curb some of the costs. Maybe fire the incompetents.
Kathy from Bowmanville
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I'm from Missouri......
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"They need to retrofit their plants for electric cars, yesterday. Japan has an H20 car in production that gets over 100 miles on one gallon of water, with no emissions."
I think you are reading too much fluff on the 'net about buying a converter system that will allow you to run your car on water....another proven rip-off!
I can find NOTHING about any vehicle running on water at the rate of 100 mpg,unless the water is converted into Hydrogen first.
Please be accurate if you are going to post
AndyL
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And Mr Obama has pledge to make them even stronger. Guess in the future I will have to buy an import, since there will no longer be American made cars.
KJ in Kingston Ontario
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Cutting wages of auto company workers
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Congratulations, you've been punked.
Tony
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Shan
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Delbert
Manitoba
A proud autoworker
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Barney In Oshawa
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Bob AB
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Jim
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GM is the largest car company in the world, with people in every sector of the world. For them to say they could NOT foresee the coming economic situation tells me they are either incompetent or they do not have there eyes open at all. At this point, I think I prefer the latter.
These companies, when they are making profit, squander it, that is NOT good business. Have they no idea about what my grandparents called a "rainy day"?
Instead of FOLLOWING the market, with their big trucks and SUV's, the "NOT SO" big three, should have been LEADING the market, with models that reflect the coming needs for smaller families, shorter commutes and fuel efficiency! What did they do? Designed the Hummer H3, the new Jeep Rubicon, and continued the F150 series, and now they say they need MORE OF OUR money to survive.
Well boys, another thing my grandparents taught me, SURVIVAL of the FITTEST, and if the fittest is Japanese or Korean or Chinese, so be it.
Vern Oshawa
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R from Barrie
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