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Date: Friday Nov. 7, 2008 8:00 AM ET

Children who engage in bullying may enjoy seeing others in pain, according to a new study, which used brain scans to study bullies' responses to violent images.

The scans, conducted by researchers from the University of Chicago, showed activity in the part of the brain associated with reward when the children were showed a video clip of one person inflicting pain on another.

Such brain activity was not evident in scans conducted on youths who do not bully others.

The findings suggest that the ability to feel empathy may be disrupted in some youths, which could lead to aggressive behaviour.

"Aggressive adolescents showed a specific and very strong activation of the amygdala and ventral striatum (an area that responds to feeling rewarded) when watching pain inflicted on others, which suggested that they enjoyed watching pain," study author Jean Decety, a psychology and psychiatry professor at the University of Chicago, said in a statement.

The research is published in the current edition of the journal Biological Psychology.

The small study included eight males aged 16 to 18 who were prone to starting fights, using weapons and stealing from victims.

They were compared to a control group of males who did not engage in aggressive behaviour.

The researchers showed both groups two videos: one in which someone experienced pain accidentally and another in which someone hurt another person intentionally.

The scans also showed that viewing the videos activated parts of the brain that regulate self-control parts in the non-aggressive group. These parts of the brain were not activated in the bullies.

This study is the first to use brain scans to study reaction to "situations that could otherwise provoke sympathy," Decety said.

"This work will help us better understand ways to work with juveniles inclined to aggression and violence."

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Sara Landriault
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Kids bully because it gets them attention.

If you get an A in school you get called a Nerd, if you pick on a nerd in front of other kids you are popular.


That is what our school system is doing for our kids.


Simon Shaw
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Sara is right.
If your not "good looking" or funny then you better know how to fight.

By the time they are 16, their brains have already been conditioned..


tim
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i couldn't agree with Sara more... that is exactly it.


Heather
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Bullies like to see other people in pain.... Did we really need a study to find this out?

Duh!


M.C
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take a good hard look at what's going on in the home not the school. parents wake up


Stephanie Laviolette
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Bullies are essentially cowards, and if our children, the ones called Nerds and so forth would learn some basic self-defense tactics, they would not be bullied. If children were taught to be more self sufficient and stand up for themselves they could group together to ostracize the Bullies, so that they would have no targets. They, the bullies, would be forced to learn that violence is not an acceptable means of communicating their frustration with themselves, or that picking on someone smaller than you feels good.

I do not mean to say that there are not children who are having serious problems psycologically, and need some real help, but maybe if they are identified earlier they would not eventually escalate greater and greater acts of violence. Maybe if kids would support eachother more, and protect one another, then the bullies would become powerless.


tricia
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I wish parents would stop passing the buck. Your child belongs to YOU not the school - take responsibility for their behaviour and do your job!





Bill from Whitby
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So Stephanie you are saying that they should form a gang and bully the bully? I hope this gang stops after they are done.


Theo
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... Bullies bully throughout all stages in life, including the corporate boardrooms. It's just that with kids, it's a more overt, physical manifestation, so we tend to notice it more. Bullying comes from being hurt, from emotional wounds that one can't face themselves. No person (regardless of age)who is at peace with themselves has any need to put anyone else down, mentally emotionally or physically. Bullies are hurt themsleves, plain and simple. And to where can most can most of this be traced? The home. Don't take it from me, do your research, and stop delluding yourselves. Most (but obviously not all) bullying begins with bad parenting. Until we address that, we're going to keep seeing this getting worse.

Theo


Push Around Guy
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... No one should have to learn self defence or form a conspiracy to take out the bully. All kids should be allowed to be kid and I agree that this is a learnt behavior. Someone shouls check the homes of such children.


Brenda in Saskatchewan
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blame can be put in a lot of places but we must also look at the games, tv shows, video that are watched and music listened to. I work with a lot of children and they all have different ideas as to why they bully but remember its not only kids that bully there are a lot of adults out there that do as well and in more harmful ways.
lets take a real hard look at what is going on around us and what society has done to change what is acceptable
but i question the study as only a few were tested and who is behind this test and what findings are they really after - we do know that studies can be done to determine certain findings depending on the funding agency


Abdula
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Although the article does not say it we are once again into the debate over nature versus nurture. Like in all things the truth is a bit of both. If you teach your child something he / she will react physically in a different way, his brain will work differently. That said, the one commentor who said “if our children, the ones called Nerds and so forth would learn some basic self-defence tactics, they would not be bullied. “ is wrong. Self defence is last line of defence against a bully ,walking away is the first. This article shows that bullies will find some target no matter what. There will always be a person with a lower self image, even if all children’s self images are raised. So in teaching your child self defence you are stopping one child from being bullied. In teaching your child not to bully you are stopping many children from being bullied. Simple Logic.


nc
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It seems that nothing is real unless some scientific study says it's so. Have we lost our sense of common sensitivity and instictual reality. Of course bullies like to inflict pain and it turns them on. People do things because they feel rewarded.


peggy
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Sara is partly right in that kids bully to get attention. But they also bully because they know they can get away with it, i.e. little or no consequences. Society needs to take a much harder line against people who bully.


Theo
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Brenda, you are absolutely correct. We live in a world absolutely obsessed with violence. Things previously appalling and unacceptable are gradually becoming things we no longer even react to. A study from years back found that by the time a student has graduated high school, they've been exposed to over 500,000 acts of violence through various media. Are we supposed to believe this doesn't have an impact on our collective psyche? Go back and look at the music games, and movies from our parents generation (which wasn't that long ago). It was like a completely different world. Try to even find the term "school shooting" before the 1980s. As much as it pains me to admit this, I think it's too late to change, it's so widespread.


JPB
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Sara I agree with you in part. Yes that is the nature of the 'system.' I went to a praticularly rough Jr. High. It was three years of pure abuse. However, I think kids need to learn how to cope with these things - the world can be unfair and even abusive. I had parents who helped me to deal with it in a way that fueled my desire to excel and not to succomb to a mentality of victimhood. So the nature of the 'system' is as it is - it's not even really a 'system', it's just the nature of human development. Adolescents are really just so clueless about themselves and the world. I think it's the role of the parent to provide exceptional support and to help the child to interpret what he/she's going through in a way that will build positive traits.


CC
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Sadisism and masocism. This has been human nature from the beginning of time. Like it or not.
A shame some don't know what self control is. That's ALSO in human nature.

Parents really should teach their kids the ways of the world, and SELF CONTROL, RESPECT, AND TOLERANCE!


peggy
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Heather is right: It does not take a rocket scientist or a Ph.D. to know that bullies like to see people in pain.
Another thing: We, as a society, must stop putting blame on the victim. Society (and the bully) must take full responsibility for this social problem.


Jasper
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Bullies have been around long before video games or TV.

Bullies bully because it makes them popular through intimidation. It's about control. The other kids laugh when someone is getting bullied because they are afraid they could be the next victim or they are just another bully.

Sure, the problem comes from the home. But, if you are on the receiving end of a bully, you want it to stop right now. Any changes in the home could take years, if ever.

As a martial arts instructor, I can assure you that getting a few belts in Taekwondo does not make you capable of winning every fight you get in. Martial arts help build self confidence. Bullies like to pick on people with low self esteem.


Karla
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When we say to look to the home to see why these children are bullies I wonder if what you may find there is a parent who was / still is a bully themselves. You cannot expected the family to correct what they don't perceive as a problem behaviour.


LSS
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Bullying!!!! There is alot of good comments I could not help but add my five cents we just went through 2 years of Bullying at our Elmentary school. Bullies were enabled all the time starting with the Principal. You could even see the staff were uncomfortable and moral was low. Bullies were the Principals best friend. Every class was set up for Bullies right by the teacher any special activities the Bully was rewarded.Nothing could be done with this situation the principal is a couple of years from retiring (union) and nothing could be done!!!! I know you all might think us parents at the school just stood by not the case. The princpal sent Volunteers home crying!!! This Principal is at another school poor them. Our children are average academically and average good looking but they are targets in society.


Another deep rooted socialogical study
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Kids bully due to sub conscious latent pre childhood early infant rejection syndrome brought on by parental offspring anxiety elements which are caused by their latent pre-childhood disorders. It's all HOGWASH!

Kids do what kids do because we live in a fallen world and bullying has always been around and will always be around. It's about control and manipulation issues. Husbands bully wives, bosses bully employees, moms bully kids, governments bully citizens with political correctness and on it goes.

Life happens.




Julie Meloche
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It's time to do something about the bullying in our schools now instead of doing studies on things we already know. Actions speaks more than words. Stop the bullying NOW!!!


Jim in Edmonton
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I have been fat my whole life, even before I started kindergarten, I was teased and made fun of. Today you can't say anything about minorities= gays, jews etc ( which we shouldn't) but in some circles it is ok to make fun of fat people. I was bullied in high school by a stud on the basketball team who made fun of me in gym ... all the girls laughed. I told him I would get him ... he said you'll never catch me fatso. One day I waited for him in hiding, as he walked by I punched him in head. He was bigger and stronger than me - a track star but I had a 2 x 4 in my hand and he knew better than to come at me. Airlines, restaurants, etc. If your fat, in some circles you less than human. Diets? I have literally lost over 600 pounds on diets over the years, I only end up gaining more. I have had to fight my whole life because of being fat. I didn't have a dad to help me when I was a kid so I had to get tough or die. It's not fun being fat. If you want to stop all name calling and bullying, include fat people. Most of us try hard not to be fat and certainly were no gluttons and pigs as some people think. Hug a fat person, they'll hug you back!!!


CSam
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Really? they had to do a study to figure out that bullies like to see their victims in pain? Amazing!!!!


PØlìTìcallý_CôRrÊ©TÑÊ$s a failed experiment
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"Parents really should teach their kids the ways of the world, and SELF CONTROL, RESPECT, AND TOLERANCE"

I choose to differ. The ways of the world are the opposite - intolerance, a lack of self control, disrespect etc.

Best to teach your children those qualities you named but also how to handle themselves when confronted with worldy people who show disrespect, intolerance and aggression.

For a couple of generations now
we have raised children without proper social, moral and ethical boundaries. We now have parents who don't know the difference between right and wrong. They think it's fine to lie, steal, cheat, manipulate and do whatever they feel to get whatever they want. The end justifies the means.

Now, when faced with a crumbling hostile society whose unspoken creed is 'moral relativism' (google it) we are perplexed at why this is all happening. It is a reasonable outcome of the social liberal policies we naively accepted and that held the false ideals of 'political correctness' which really sought to suppress the truth which we had known at one time which served us well.




Belinda Mallette
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Theo, Theo, Theo... too late to change? What hope have they then? Who will reach these people, be they children or adult if we give up? Who will give them a chance to express their hurts? Is it not a matter of believing in somebody to help him change? I may not be a perfect person, I don't have a whole lot of formal education by today's standards but I have learned a great deal about human compassion and its capability to produce change when all hope seemed lost. It's by all pulling together that the changes will occur and that takes time. But we can all be an inspiration to better behaviour at any time if we only choose to get involved and say the things that need to be said and perform the acts that need to be performed to get someone to open up about their hurts.


Mike
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Jim, ya got my vote pal! I can relate.

When I was young (teens) I had occasion to face bullies. Unfortunately my dad was a terrible with intimidation. SO whenever I faced a bully it got me REALLY angry and I went after the bully and beat the crap out of them usually and the others didn't want a round two. Bullies rely on intimidation, their size or whatever and will get away with whatever YOU let them.
Bullies don't want aggression shown towards them. They count on the fact that you will back down. When you come at them big time they cower.

Gangs of bullies is a different issue and requires police assistance in my opinion.




Mike S
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I ended up bullying the bullies because they always enjoy picking on me when I was in grad school. But I agree that the parents (such as my parents did to me) it to take responsibility and discipline there kids. In today's day and age, it is sad to say that the kids including the bullies have more rights and most parents are afraid to discipline there child in fear that they can get into trouble with the law.


DO
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I have an aggressive son. I wouldn't call him a bully but he plays too rough. He has siblings that don't have the same traits. It is not something they are taught or will go away on its own. In our house it is a daily issue. I make him aware of his choices and the consequences that go with them. I encourage him to think about his actions, think about how they affect other people. He is not alone - many of the boys his age are dealing with the same thing. I agree it is something that has to be addressed at home as well as at school - yelling isn't the answer. You have to find the right things for the right kid. It is a constant issue and you can't turn your back on it - as a parent it is ultimately your responsibility to do your best to raise a confident, caring, successful child and that is a full-time job - no vacations. By the way, "fat" is another "f" word in our house. It is not to be used at all!


Ian in N.B.
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CC and Jasper, right on.
Bullying begins early on, you need to start teaching your children postitive traits from the get go, lest they become the aggressors themselves, violent TV, video games and bad music are only scapegoats if the bullying begins by Grade 2.

Jim in Edmonton, if it gives you any solace, I had to say things... questionable in nature as a kid to make sure I was not the victim myself. I want you to know that everytime I was forced to joke about overweight people, I felt absolutely sick. I don't know you, but I'd just like to say to you and to all those who consider themselves or are overweight, I am so sorry.


what else is new?
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The reality bullies come from family that did not teach them right from wrong.

It's a way to get noticed and get the attention of someone since their parents were not there for them when it was time!!!


Theo
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Belinda, when you really consider the unimaginably vast task of reprogramming how an entire world comprehends violence, you`d realize what we`re up against. As a previous note mentioned, bullying takes place at every stage of life, and has for millenia. It's an unfortunate part of our hard-wired survival instincts. As for improving it in schools, yes, perhaps we can start there, by making bullies accountable. But we don't. I hear it all the time from schoolteachers and counsellors: Today's schools are full of kids raised by parents to believe they're infallible and perfect, that they don't have to care about anything, and not be acountable for anything. And even more frustrating for teachers, thanks to 40 years of political correctness, their hands are completely tied. So with that mentality, why should bullies change their behaviour?


Richard
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That is already obvious.

Scientists get out of your offices and interact more. No brainer there.

Most traits from kids come directly from their parents or guardians generally.

Bunch of people here already saying look at the home first and you will see. This is 110% correct.

No need to do another study, already know this.


opinion
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Note: "seeing others in pain" so reverse this mind set. This is nothing a good strapping would not cure, most people learn by experience let them experience the pain themselves. This is the whole problem there is really no consequence for the actions of these idiots. Lets hear all the bleeding hearts rip into me now, seeing you guys started this nonsense with our young people. Believe me I do know the difference between a spanking and abuse, believe me there is a difference.


Jim in Edmonton
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Hey Ian in NB - a beautiful comment , thank you! FYI, you're either a victim or a survivor. I choose to be a survivor. We are teaching our grandsons to be sensitive and caring. My son in law is a ruffian and a jock so i'm concerned but we will do what we can. If children are name calling, I feel sorry for the parents - it reflects on you!


LCC
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Nature vs Nurture. Is the person born with a brain that bullies or is the brain conditioned to bully because of upbringing?


Shelley
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Bullies may enjoy seeing others in pain...duh! My father was a bully his whole life and he loved to exert his power and control and you could see on his face how much he fed off it.
I was bullied by a gang of girls in junior high and I'm pretty sure they spent their idle hours planning what they would do to certain people when they caught them alone. My advice is to find an empathetic adult and get help in dealing with them. If you can't trust your parents to protect you find someone that will. Lots of people have been in the same position and would love help by turning the tables. Speak out against bullies every time!



Gail (Hamilton)
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It's a sign of the times that it's more prevalent today based on a number of factors. The best and brightest need more attention than those who don't play by the rules of society. Stop giving the bullies the attention they crave. Parenting schools for those with unruly kids may be the answer.


Francis
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Why are you blaming all of the bullying on the home front? Some teachers in elementary and secondary schools are the biggest bullies in town. They harrass and humiliate children in front of their peers and are they ever reprimanded. NO!! It just gets passed over as they are THE Teacher. Bullying is seen, from a child's persepective, not only in their immediate family but from a relative or a neighbour and if they get away with it then that is OK! Wake up and lay the blame where it starts.
The police and teachers have taken on this responsibility as they are the ones who see it every day in school. It has been around for centuries and will not cease overnight. Like wars it takes time to educate all the people in all the countries.


Lindsay D
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In reply to Simon Shaw, I'm an international model and I was bullied mercilessly from Kindergarten all the way to graduation and I still feel the effects of it to this day. Many girls bully in emotionally abusive ways and try to destroy the reputations of those they see as threats. It's time to teach our female children that good looks do not equal self worth and that they need not be the prettiest or slimmest to be a worthy human being.


Ian K
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Three decades of high school teaching taught me the study is right: bullies are sadists.

There is no cure - we can only teach them to manage their tendencies but the bully will always show through in other ways in their dealings with others.

Teaching them requires showing them that others - institutions, laws, or even a tougher-than-expected peer - can inflict more pain than they can. Pain is the one thing they understand and learn from.

The idea that bullies do it to get attention is ridiculous. As a teacher of 'hard-to-handle' kids I watched that theory fail time and time again. If you want to 'cure' a bully, you have to show him there is a bigger set of horns in the bull pen.


Lorin
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This is not about nature vs nurture. That paradigm is wrong. All of our behavior is based in the biological makeup of the brain. Which is influenced by what we learn and experience. When you learn something your brain changes biologically.

That said. What this study suggests is that when a person bullies somebody they don't do it for attention or because they have "self-esteem" issues. They do it because they are SADISTIC.


Socialism is killing us
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It all comes down to parenting. Instead of being friends with your kids, be a parent to your kids. Kids don't need parents as their friends. Kids need strict discipline. This political correctness not to hurt our kids feelings is B.S. I had to deal with bullies in grade school. I'm just glad my parents taught me to fight back.


Rebecca in Edmonton
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Right on Sara! It's the sick system that tries to put round pegs in square holes, poke vaccines that cause mini-strokes, and teachers that are over worked to the point of not caring. Conditioning to be prisoners.


Maggie Mae, Anywhere but There, Canada
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I once worked with a female manager, banking industry, who was a walking nightmare. This person screamed at staff & customers, no one was exempt. She got her way by bullying everybody & in the process she hurt a lot of people & the glee was visibly evident. Because this person was a manager head office believed her whenever anything was said. No job is worth what this person did & I vowed never again.


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