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Date: Tue. Nov. 4 2008 2:48 PM ET

Gas prices in Ontario reached their lowest point in three years on Tuesday but analysts warned that good news for commuters means bad news for refineries.

Motorists looking to fill up their vehicles on their way to work this morning were in for a pleasant surprise. Gas prices fell more than six cents overnight.

The cheapest gas in Toronto is about 83.5 cents a litre in the city's east end, according to gasbuddy.com. The lowest price in Ontario is Brockville, where one gas station is charging only 81.9 cents a litre.

The last time Ontarians enjoyed such cheap gas was in February, 2006, Gasbuddy co-founder Jason Toews told The Canadian Press.

Across Canada, a litre of gas was on average priced at 88 cents in Calgary, 91 cents in Montreal, 95 cents in Montreal, 97 cents in Vancouver and $1.05 in Newfoundland. The national average is about 98.3 cents a litre.

Falling crude oil prices continue to push the cost of gasoline down, Crude oil is the main ingredient in gasoline and makes up less than half of the cost of refining gasoline. Government taxes make up the rest of the cost.

December's delivery of light, sweet crude rose $6.82 to US$70.73 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange Tuesday. The commodity rebounded after reaching US$60 a barrel in recent days but it is still nowhere close to reaching its record-high price of US$147 set in July.

Toews said it could take months for the cost of falling crude oil to be reflected at the pumps.

"We're going to see the prices continue to decrease," he said.

However, good news at the pump is bad news for the industry, as prices narrow the crack spread, or profit margin, for refineries turning oil into gas, BNN's Michael Kane said Tuesday on Canada AM. 

"So it is becoming increasingly unprofitable for refineries to operate," Kane said. "That means many could reduce their output and that would push gasoline prices higher once again."

Michael Ervin, an oil industry analyst, agreed with Kane and said that refineries will not profit the way they have for the past eight years.

"Certainly this is great news for commuters but the lower price is a reflection of the fact that refineries are not making very much margin on the sale," he said in an interview with CTV Newsnet Tuesday afternoon. "It's not a very profitable time for them at all."

Ervin said refineries had been running at full capacity but have stalled because the reduction in demand is well below what it historically is during this time of year.

However, he also pointed out that refineries are typically not a profitable business but because of the high demand over the past eight years, have been able to enjoy wide profit margins.

"Now, with a softer economy, I think what's going to be a long-term reaction to high pump prices and concern for the environment (is a) long-term decline in demand and with the existing capacity in North America, refiners are just not going to be able to command the same kind of margins they were able to benefit from." 

Toews said a fragile economy in North America is contributing to the wide-spread decrease in demand.

"Anytime people have less money to spend they tend to travel less and if you're out of a job, you probably don't commute every day," he said.

However, he also pointed out that people will have more money to spend now that gasoline costs less which could put the flailing economy back on track.

Scott Wilson, with the Alberta Motor Association, said just because gas prices are coming down, people shouldn't forget the valuable cost-saving measures they adopted when pump prices were high, especially since fuel costs are expected to spike again in the spring.

"The behaviours that they practice and hopefully used on a regular basis this past summer will be very valuable when the next summer rolls around and the price of fuel increases again," he said.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Darcey in Burnaby
said

Great! Keep the low prices coming, and who cares about Oil companies profits. If they have posted record profits year after year, it's time that they made a modest profit like all companies should, instead of "raping" the consumers and laughing all the way to the Bank. And finally, why is it that we here in BC are paying 25.1 cents a litre more than our counterparts in Ontario. I can understand 2.4 cents higher because of the ridiculous carbon tax, and a couple cents more in cities with public transit tax. But 25.1 cents? Come on! It's crazy! We are closer to oil and gas distributors than Ontario is, so should we not be paying less than them due to lower shipping costs? I've had enough, the BC government here thinks everyone is rich and can afford overpriced groceries, overpriced gas, horribly high housing costs, all the while, collecting the cash cow that is the overbearing tax structure that canadians face in the everyday. Take back the streets, we want restitution. Do it now!! I am ashamed to be a Canadian, no one stands up for themselves. Let's just keep taking it over the head until we are so helpless that the whole country falls apart.


Gas pains going away !!
said

Gas prices still have a way to go yet. They have not caught up with the decline in crude oil.

As for today's price in gas it will be even sweeter when I go to Kemptville and get it .02c less from my regular dealer who has gas on sale every Tuesday and Wednesday.



The secret word is..?
said

I just can't wait for the day someone mentions the secret word "storm","fire","hurricane",etc. and watch the oil companies use this to jack up the prices by 15 to 20 cents overnight....then say that it wasn't as bad as we anticipated lets bring the prices down 0.7 cents per week until we hear those magical words again.


Ryan
said

Nice....I live in Thunder Bay ON and Gas has been holding steady for 1.05, when news breaks that it dropped in the south, our gas goes up....does this make sense to anybody????


Rick England
said

How can anyone say it is unprofitable for the oil companies to refine because oil is at $63.00 Exxon just made record profits again last quarter, and you can be sure Shell, husky and others are not much different, high oil is crippling the world economy, we need it to remain about where it is, we must become more energy efficient in North America and quit pumping up the far East economies to a level they don't even know what to do with all their cash reservers.


pp
said

Ya wouldn't you know - I get a job 15 minutes from my home (as opposed to 1hr and 15min) and the cost of gas goes down :)

Well guess I can soon go back to my beloved pickup truck again - gads I miss my pickup truck... The poor ole' car just doesn't do a good job of pulling the ole horse trailer... tee hee hee!

Of course as soon as I get that truck I just bet the price of fuel sky-rockets!!! such is life - up and down...


Gordo Mc
said

Read it and weep...
Imperial Oil awash in record profits - The Gazette (Montreal), Canada - 1 Nov 2008 - 3rd quarter profits of $1.4 B

Exxon reports $11 B profit in second quarter - CTV News - (07/31/2008) - biggest profit from any US corporation ever


Dale S
said

Gas prices drop but there is still at least a 20 cent premium for Diesel fuel.

It will cost me minimum $1.05 per Liter. Something needs to be done about that, especially considering Diesel is a by-product of the Gas refining process. ROBEERY


mark in fraser valley
said

I see that it says 85.1 for diesel. I just filled up my truck here in BC for 119.9!! Why is it the East is enjoying lower prices and us out West lagging behind!!!


Just another Albertan who pretends he is rich.
said

I am from Alberta and I Demand that someone raise Gas prices back up to 1.40 a litre. We need to get Oil back up to 150 dollars/barrel so I can continue to pretend that I am rich and continue to live like I am a millionaire by using my home equity loan.

I fear that the "party" is ending here in Alberta and I demand that the rest of the country continue to fuel the Alberta economic hype.


John
said

To: mark in fraser valley
I hear you loud and clear. Who can figure out this oil thing. The Saudis keep getting richer and richer. Even if we cut back consumption they just cut back production. Talk about greed. They have so much money they don't even know what to do with it and they still want more. Guess we'll just have to go hydro and nuclear and hope for the best. Oil producers are getting to be ranked right up there with lawyers and politicians.


td
said

So in Ontario they have much cheaper gas than out west yet the western provinces need to subsidize eastern Canada with equalization. Who gets screwed with that bill? Western taxpayers!


SK Farmer
said

Why is it still over a dollar here in SK, where we REFINE the stuff?


Jamie
said

Here on PEI we're 'protected' from these decreases by a regulatory board that was NEVER shy about raising prices when the price of oil went up. They appear to be somewhat more cautious about emergency price DROPS.


Jason in Kelowna
said

Last time I checked, BC was a lot closer to the refineries in AB than Ontario is, so why are we still paying more?


John E
said

...Ontario still sends the bulk of the Tax revenue that Ottawa gets to spend on all of Canada. Remember equalization was created to help the Farmers in the west, and that was the right and honourable thing to do. Ontario fed Billion into the program and initially Alberta above all drank from the equalization cup for over a decade. Now that Ontario is in need all we get from you guys is attitude. Three other times Ontario qualified however, no equalization came our way and be struggled on our own. We might not have oil to make us rich over night, however, we do have hard working and dedicated CANADIANS who will be working hard to claw our way back to Have status. All Canada should be supportive because Ontario is still the engine (though struggling now) that pumps the most tax dollars into CANADA.


AB-ON
said

...85 cent gas doesn't make up for the fact that thousands of people have lost their jobs in Ontario and our economy is in a tailspin...which is why the province is getting equalization payments.

Since equalization began, Ontario has NEVER received a dime until now...and has always paid its share to help other provinces in their time of need. That is what true patriotism is about, helping ALL Canadians when they need it.

I was born and raised in Alberta, so I know all about the hatred of the "Evil Empire of Ontario." But believe it or not, we are just regular people here too, working the best we can to make our way through life.


Gord...Toronto
said

Yippee!


Alexander Moore
said

Why is it in this small New Brunswick town that gas is almost twenty cents higher than in Toronto. I live an hour and a half from Canada's largest oil refinery and I can see the state of Maine from my house, where gas is around 80 cents a liter. How does this make sense?


godzy
said

To my western friends who wish that evryone from eastern Canada would judt fall off the face of the earth. In BC you have been taxed to death for a long time. The people that create policy there are bizarre, actually the mayor and councillors in toronto are cathcing up. Anyway...there are quite a few reineries right here in Ontario. The crude gets shipped via pipeline and other means to the refineries. There are many in Sarnia, Hamilton, Oakville and other places. I suppose that has alot to do with it. And mellow out with huge hate on for Ontario. I've travelled from Newfoundland to Victoria, and I nearly got my head bitten off in BC numerous times. Alberta might be wise to expand their economy into manufacturing and creative engineering, when you rely solely on one resource only you die hard eventually, similarily to the pulp mills in northern Ontario, BC and Quebec. So, anyway be excellent to each other!


Lorne
said

I live in SW Sask and gas is 1.00.9 per litre and just dropped to this price on Monday. Why is the East at 85.9?
We have a refinery in Sask., yet are paying high prices.
Now, we hear production might be curtailed at the refineries, due to low gas prices.
Gas prices were a big issue during the election by all parties. Now, it's over and we have heard nothing from either party on their investigation into possible price gouging. Why not?


Dave - Burlington
said

...Imperial Oil awash in record profits - The Gazette (Montreal), Canada - 1 Nov 2008 - 3rd quarter profits of $1.4 B

Exxon reports $11 B profit in second quarter - CTV News - (07/31/2008) - biggest profit from any US corporation ever

Yes, they made $11bn in second quarter and $14bn in third quarter...However, they're revenue is $140bn...which means their net income is only 10%. 10% net profit isn't a rediculous amount of profit to make. For everyone who doesn't like them making that much money...STOP BUYING GAS...Take a bike to work. Use public transportation, move closer to work. Stop victimizing yourselves and take action or stop whining. Having a car is a privilege not a right. If you own one you accept responsibilty for ongoing costs of it. I'm not pro-oil companies, I'm anti-whiners about oil companies


mike hansquine
said

prices should be .77 a litter
wake up Canada the rip off continues..


Kevin in Vic
said

Canada has 20 some odd refineries spread out across the provinces. Everyone thinks that we are sending all our oil down to the states to get refined and then buying it back as gas and diesel. What a crock! We have been ripped off by our own oil companies, PetroCan, Shell and what have you to the tune of billions of dollars. Look at the price of diesel. Gas gets refined at least three times before an additive is added to up the octane level. (you can do the same yourself for about $5.00 a tank) Diesel is only refined once. It is almost the same fuel you put in your furnace to heat your home. Yet it is more expensive than gas. Figure that one out. Our own oil companies are and have been and will continue, to gouge Canadians until someone steps up to the plate and shouts “ENOUGH”. The Canadian oil companies should be brought to account for this. Being part of OPEC is NOT an excuse!


Denise
said

Sooo...how did an article about the price of gasoline become a sounding board to moan about the equalization program or an east vs. west bashfest?


Gord
said

People have to start using there ability to organize boycotts of certian stations. I can assure you if the west started boycotting one brand at a time the prices would fall like a rock. If you accept the price and keep filling up those greedy oil companies will be happy to take your money. Boycotts are a very valuable tool and easy to organize locally.


John C
said

..."Who cares about oil company profits?"

Uh, anyone with investments in the stock markets, or with pensions or RSPs?!

If you don't drive a lot, gasoline being higher is not going to make a huge impact on your personal finances, but the loss in Canada's overall wealth does when oil is down! Take a look at your pension, RSP, and mutual fund statements now compared to back in July when gasoline was $1.40 / litre and see if you were better off then or now!


Mark M
said

Yet it's still well over a buck in Northern Ontario and here in Thunder Bay!! ...

lowell
said

I am starting to agree with the comment from the economist that said our recessionary problems stem more from the energy costs than other factors. If you look at when the cost of oil was 150 / barrel, the cost of running a business went up dramatically. It particularly affected the auto industry and the airline industry, anything to do with transportation. Maybe this is a time for another Petro Canada, I mean the original one to try and exercise some control in the oil industry. Lets face it, oil companies seem to be operating on the same principles as the investment banks. Greed, Greed and more Greed


dulak
said

Gord,

You can boycot a particular brand all you want, but, if you boycot Shell, lots of smaller gas stations that would pick up the slack purchase their gas from Shell. They'd be laughing.

Denise, you took the words right out of my mouth.


Sahib Reginawale
said

...higher gas prices will eventually translate into higher prices of other goods - thats what is troubling.


Bman
said

People in Western Canada fail to realize that they do refine gas in Southern Ontario...Having refineries in your province is closer than being next door to a province with refineries.


MuskyBuck
said

Chavez had it right.

I won't diminish the events that lead to the world wide economic melt down, for example it had a lot more to do than just oil.

But what precipitated the whole event into meltdown was caused by the speculative grab of oil futures.

My thought is that energy isn't just a commodity any longer.

Every country in the world is relying on oil right now and to have refineries for example, slowing down production to drive prices up again, singles to me that we need a better system.

Perhaps oil and gas refineries should be a crown corporation and not one like a Petro Canada that could be sold off to the first American fund with dough in their hand.

I just think that private owned enterprises cannot be given control of energy any longer.

Oh yeah, this stupid practice of selling 'bets' or futures has got to stop. It's freaking ridiculous that someone would have looked at that idea when first presented and couldn't see the eventual outcome.





Fort Nelson BC
said

Well, our fine Oil Companies lowered our price by a nickle last week.

Sitting at 136.9. Such the life living in the north. Most everyone else have dropped 30 cents or more a litre, we have dropped 15.


Tanya
said

It is sad ... I was watching our local new here in Kelowna a couple of weeks ago, and they were talking to a big oil person about the rise and cost of oil/gas.
He said the reason us in the West pay more for gas than East, is because the East has more options for bringing in fuel.
He said in the West the only way for oil/gas to get to the gas stations is by truck so the truckers are who are bring the price up.
He said the prices are so low in the East because they can use trucks, pipelines, trains and boats.
Any comments ... (I dont agree)


Allye
said

Send those prices my way, I live in Kamloops and our gas is still 106-105 and its time our prices are the same as everywhere else.


adam thomas
said

Its good news for those of us who are unemployed. It makes travel to and from non existant jobs cheaper.


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