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Date: Mon. Nov. 3 2008 9:10 PM ET
Ontario, long considered the economic engine of Canada, will receive a federal equalization payment for the first time in its history. But Newfoundland and Labrador no longer needs the money, prompting Premier Danny Williams to say the "Newfie joke" is over.
Federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty confirmed Monday that Ontario would receive about $347 million. The grants are usually reserved for "have not" provinces.
"Does it worry me? Yes of course it worries me," Flaherty told reporters at a news conference Monday afternoon. "The reality is, Ontario is entitled to enter the program and will be receiving substantial funds. Regrettably I think Ontario will be in the equalization program for some time to come."
Meanwhile, Newfoundland and Labrador, riding high on its offshore oil operation Hibernia, has now become a "have" province.
"This is a very proud day for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians," Williams said at a press conference.
"I don't think the Newfie joke is there anymore. I think we're now an example to our fellow Canadians of how it can be done and how to work your way through hardship."
Twenty years ago, when Newfoundland first announced its plans for Hibernia, then-premier Brian Peckford said: "One day the sun will shine and have-not will be no more."
Ontario, in recent years, has had a difficult time with its manufacturing industry because of the rising value of the Canadian dollar. Several auto manufacturing plants have closed in the past few years.
"It's an odd feeling to see Ontario in such difficult straits," Flaherty said. "We have to work together to try and build a stimulus in the economy."
The province was actually eligible for equalization payments in the 1970s but never received the funding. The program is designed so that richer provinces can help poorer provinces by providing them with the financial support they need to keep providing services.
The equalization payments will begin in January. Other provinces receiving payments are:
- Quebec - $8.35 billion
- Manitoba - $2.1 billion
- New Brunswick - $1.69 billion
- Nova Scotia - $1.57 billion
- P.E.I. - $340 million
Flaherty spoke with reporters after meeting with his provincial counterparts in the morning to discuss the gloomy economic forecast and future plans for the equalization program.
The minister said Ottawa could not sustain the program's 15 per cent a year growth rate. He said the $13.6 billion equalization program will continue to grow but that costs would have to be capped to prevent bankrupting the system.
"I don't think Canadians will have any difficulty in saything that's the responsible thing to do," he said.
Flaherty said changes to the program have allowed the government to give Ontario about $100 million more than what it would have previously been able to give the province.
'Not unexpected'
Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said after the minister's meeting that he doesn't expect Ontario will be receiving the payments for very long.
"It was not unexpected and we'll continue to make the investments we're making," he told reporters.
Duncan said the money will help the province but that Ottawa needs to do more.
"Every bit helps," he said about the payment. "I would have preferred to see a government that's dealing with the automotive sector the way the European Union is, the way the United States is, with a $25 billion investment in the energy fund to help get the product mandate. There was nothing on that."
Duncan said the province would respond to the equalization program in greater detail in the future after officials have had a chance to go over the changes thoroughly.
"It would have been helpful for us to look at this before the meeting," he said. "It looks to us at the first glance that we won't qualify for very long based on the constraints they've put on it."
A report by TD Economics released last April predicted that Ontario would qualify for about $400 million in 2010-2011 and $1.3 billion the next year.
Heading into the meeting Monday, Duncan said Ottawa also needs to address health care transfers and fair treatment in employment insurance.
Meanwhile, oil-rich Alberta, which many view as being immune to the global economic crisis, will push for a co-ordinated assistance plan for the provinces, investors and manufacturers.
"Alberta's message today is that the volatility of the energy market, coupled with the downturn in the economy, is having a serious and profound impact on investors, on government and we have to do something to collectively benefit everybody in Canada," Alberta Finance Minister Iris Evans told Canada AM.
Quebec Finance Minister, Monique Jerome-Forget, said she has already told Flaherty that "given the current situation, we cannot cast aside our responsibilities at either the provincial or federal level."
"We have to be very pro-active as governments. I believe very, very, strongly that the situation now requires very active measures to counter the important slowdown, especially in terms of exports to the U.S."
Monday's meeting is being held ahead of a First Minister's meeting on the economy, to be hosted by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in Ottawa next week.
Following that is U.S. President George Bush's summit of finance ministers from the top 20 economies, including Canada, to discuss the ongoing global financial crisis.
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John E
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Grant
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I guess the whole world voted conservative.
Next time, put your glasses on, please.
Michael (Ottawa)
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This incessant left wing political bashing for no other reason than to demean is childish and immature.
Jimmyjim
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South Korea is going to spend a large amount of money in infastructure renewal.
This exactly what Canada needs. Build and improve our highway system, improve our rail system, improve our harbours and airports. This has the advantage of creating jobs in a time when so many are being laid off. It also improves the economy by making transportation of raw material and finished products easier and cheaper.
This type of program has been done in the past in difficult times and has been successful. We also know our infastructure needs to be updated. Now is the time to invest in Canada for all Canadians. The work can be done with a bond issue.
Eric (from Calgary)
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Jimmyjim
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KJ in Kingston Ontario
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Henry Wysmulek
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Now on top of that you have an economic downturn, and all of a sudden it's the federal governments fault?
Jack - AB
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Do not whine or complain if you didn't vote or voted for Harper in Ontario or across Canada. This is who you wanted and voted for to lead Canada and now Ontario will get exactly what it should.
Sandy from the maritimes
said
Low income + high cost of living + no credit left = bad economy
Any questions?
My point being that money should not be giving out before a solid plan to deal with the equation is looked at.
wide awake
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Lets all remember why equalization payments were started in the first place.
A Liberal ( yes Liberal )
government backed and pushed for industry to be stripped from Canada and centralized in ONT, equalization payments were created to pay provinces for revenue they were losing to ONT.
It was a foolish plan then and painfully apparent it doesn't work now. So point the finger where it belongs, at a past Liberal Dynasty not at current governments which have had to deal with the problem over the last 20 years, both liberal, NDP and CON
SO now everyone is scrambling to correct an old error, it took years to create this problem don't expect it to be solved in 6 months, no mater who is in power.
Trent
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SteveS - Hamilton, ON
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The Conservatives have been in power in Alberta for a long time and they have created an economy that does well in the good times - but even in the poor times of low oil they had no Provincial Sales tax. To many people including the Liberal government of Ontario look for hand outs instead of taking responsibility. We've had a global correction that has almost never before been seen and we are not in a recession and yet the sky is falling... I wish the media was educated on their reporting so that they reported facts and not just fears
Centerist Tory
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noel
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Paul
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Pilgrim
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alioops
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Always blame someone else, and then demand they help you. It truly is the Liberal way.
noel
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Kim in Calgary
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Jaid in Toronto
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We're truly masters of destruction.
You do what you have to do, regardless of what government we have, they do what they have to do.
Joee
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Edmonton John
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Argue Lib or Con and smirk and posture, and call each other names if you like.
But Flaherty should not have done what he did, and he better smarten up and pull for Canada. ...
Niagara George
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He looked like the most miserable man on the street.
There wasn't a smile anywhere in his being.
He must have been thinking about the economy. Probably planning another idiotic move, like his reduction of the GST. Or perhaps it was how he could blame the Liberals for his impending deficit.
Daisy1
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Harper doesn't like McGinty and quite frankly, I don't blame him. The guy just can't keep his promises to our province.
Ontario has on the whole enjoyed reasonable prosperity but now that that has changed drastically, we do indeed expect the rules not to change and be properly and legally "equalized."
The old lady
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However we all did not vote Liberal or Bob Rae's NDP and we are hurting now. We need help big time. Probably for just a little while.
Steve from Calgay
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I know what it's like to live there. I was born and brought up in Toronto until I came to my senses and moved to Calgary.
Mike S
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...I voted inthe last election both provencial and federal for teh liberals. Not the conservatives. I can voice my opinion.
DCR-Toronto
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Mike in Ottawa
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John in the best province in Canada (AB)
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Embarassed Ontarian
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Daisy1
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We as Canadians should be kept informed promptly and accurately as to what PM is contemplating before the fact instead of afterwards.
This government appears to be more of a "dictatorship"....with anyone representing us that we voted in sworn to not divulge anything whatsoever or they are booted out.
Seth in Calgary
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JP
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its call BUY VOTES
we have had and will have the worst governmnet in years-
WATCH your WALLETS
AJP
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Frank Buchan (Vauxhall, Alberta by way of Ontario)
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To blame the Federal government (no matter what stripe), you have to ignore facts: Ontario has far too much government; far too high business taxes compared to other juridictions; and its manufacturing losses are systemic because of choices being made by consumers who are unwilling and often unable to pay excessive premiums just to proclaim something was made in Canada. (Like him or not, the Finance Minister was right about Ontario's business taxation policies.)
Dalton McGuinty is a weak-minded politician, whose stock-in-trade is tax-and-spend. That he and his cronies missed so many obvious signs the province needed a serious governmental overhaul is evidence of their detachment from reality.
Ontario does deserve transfer payments, though, if it needs them. The system can't punish a province just because it's poorly managed. The problem, as a former Ontarian, is that I don't see it helping much -- the government there is unlikely to manage the funds well. What happens when Dalton and company blow the cash without results? Does Ontario continue to decline? And at what point can the rest of the country offer suggestions? I query the last because I know for darn sure Ontario was full of advice the past 50 years prior to this one.
John E
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Sirois Commission, which was established in response to the crop crisis of the Prairie provinces in the 1930s. It was then argued:
"In Canada today, freedom of movement and equality of opportunity are more
important than ever before, and these depend in part on the maintenance of at
least minimum national standards for education, public health and care of the
indigent. The most economically distressed areas are the ones least capable of supporting these services, and yet are also the ones in which the needs are likely to be greatest. Whether the remedy lies in emigration from these areas or in the development of alternative means of livelihood, they must not be allowed to become backwaters of illiteracy and disease. Not only national duty and decency,if Canada is to be a nation at all, but equity and national self-interest demand that the residents of these areas be given average services and equal opportunities.” This argument holds true today.
To date Ontario is the only Province not to collect equalization and that is about to change.
Yuri
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Daisy1
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The Big 3 and all it's supply companies are folding up and/or going bankrupt. Many, many jobs lost and no relief in sight.
Given the U.S. economy and how that affects the value of our dollar..I don't see anyone but the Chinese benefiting in the long haul. What we export is down dramatically.
Not good for the whole planet, really...this is not just affecting North America.
Donald - Ontario
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It seems to me that too many people are viewing virtually all issues like this through a partisan prism which says that if they (pick your party) said it or did it then it's completely wrong (or completely right) and that is almost never the truth.
Rob in On
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Get Real People
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Daisy1
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Let's hope by then, Ontario's economy improves so we ALL can work.
Mutt from Windsor
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JW
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John W.
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Yet another interesting story happens the world goes into a financial Crisis and Harper is to blame wao that’s allot of power in man to send the hole world into a financial melt down I bet that Harper can't sleep at night for that mess.
Common every one it takes 2 to tango Ontario had a surplus that Duncan as well as the Federal Gov. ate away it takes 2 to tango.
noel
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Nolan Moore
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MRC in Hamilton
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Don from Calgary
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5th Generation Canadian
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Kelly
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Kevin in Toronto
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Ontarians look at everything from a social perspective. There's this general belief that voting Conservative means that you're no longer socially progressive. Ontarians, particular Torontonians take this social progressiveness as their identity. This is what defines them, in their own mind, and makes them different from every other part of the country. People won't give it up easily. The sad part, is that it's all a facade. It makes Ontarians very short sighted. Based on the voting record of this province, people would rather see the fiscal and economic picture crumble than face the suggestion that they may conform with the majority of other Canadians.
ONT-AB resident
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Liz Ottawa
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Living in Toronto- from NS
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Ontario has been treated well in confederation and will continue to be treated well.
PrairieDog-prairies
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Blaming Alberta (the west) and Conservatives for what is goin on in Ontario, however, is absurd. Even Manitoba, which has an NDP gov't, lowered taxes last year to be prepared for this. Blame your precious Liberal-tax and spend government for that. People want all these social programs, but don't realize that the money comes from their own pockets. But people are starting to wake up.
As far as oil running out in the west goes. That is simply a dream the far left has. Alberta has at least another 100-150 years in the oil sands alone. Saskatchewan has it's own "oil sands" that haven't even started to be tapped yet. It is expected to be bigger than Alberta's. Maniotba is now drilling more in the southern part of the province, and BC in the north. So, for all of you who say "the west will be a waste land" when the oil is gone...you may be waiting a very very very long time. In the mean time, we will be prospering and growing in all sectors...not just oil!
Paul B
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Guess this does make little amends, seeing that he messed up Ontario, leaving us with a 6 Billion Dollar Debt while he was the Finance Minister under the Conservative Premier of Ontario, Mike Harris.
Kris
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RossD
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Eric (from Calgary)
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edd
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The population of Ontario is very close to 12 million, the population of Canada is 33 million. I don't see Ontario having the majority of the population.
James in BC
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Let them separate, we'll build a bridge to the East coast, it would be cheaper, probably create a lot of jobs too.
defsask
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George
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RJ
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Liz Ottawa
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Jay, Ottawa
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The oil won't dry up, but the market will when technology moves us away from petroleum fuels. This could happen within a generation at the rate of investment in alternative energy. This will drive the price down to next to nothing. What then?
Matt in Ottawa
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At one point Quebec was the center of Canada, we all know what happened there, Along came Ontario with Toronto as the hub of the Canadian economy. If all you people in Alberta think its easy being the life support for an entire country its not.
I am sick and tired to hearing people in Alberta saying how that province is the best place to be.. OIL will not last for ever and other then that whats driving your economy? the ski industry? farming? I think not.
I also think its really funny that Quebec, a province with half the population of Ontario gets 8 billion of Canada's tax dollars to do what? denounce the gift giver? Give me a break. At least in Ontario that money is used to build bridges that don't fall down and maintain roads.
Trevor - Calgary
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It all seemed really good when the liberals took advantage of the rest of the county to ensure that Ontario was happy and for the most part kept in the dark to ensure that they would keep "votin em back in!!"
Well times have changed and the ONLY provinces that are doing well are those that had a strong economic plan in place and kept with that plan. And guess what.. they are the conservative provinces.
The conservatives are in power now and you will find that working with them rather than against them will lead to a strong, healthy, secure country.
Tell your local vocal liberal supporter to stop being the problem and start being part of the solution.
Bob
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People shouldn't be dissing AB or ON. If anything they should be praising AB, SK and BC for 'donating' 13.6 billion dollars to the rest of Quebec...err I mean Canada.
The real message or what we SHOULD be asking is why does Quebec get 8.4 BILLION dollars in equalization payments? They want independence, give them independence. Of course without being attached to Ottawa's wallet.
Fraser
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Interesting how Prime Minister Harper and his Conservative government have done such damage in the less than 3 years of governing. What a powerful bunch I'd say. To have so much power attributed to a group is absolutely amazing.
Does anyone really think before they post such comments or is it from the constant barrage of media hype that we endure on a daily basis that confounds the intelligence of all concerned? [end sarcasm]
opinion
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Ontario wants B Obama in the USA yet we vote in this Con so he can be our Finance Minister for this selfrighteous Government, how stupid.
Liz Ottawa
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Lunt
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Eric (from Calgary)
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12.5 B in Ontario
7.5 B in Quebec
4.5 B in BC
3.5 B in Alberta
1.2 B in Manitoba
The largest majority of Canadians live in Ontario, a full third of the countries population. When we attack Ontario we are in fact attacking the largest majority of Canadians.
Garry
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Writing this probably makes me a bigot in Canada. What a country.
Denise
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CC
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Jana
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NO! Mr. Flaherty go home!
Thanks Canada
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BC and the West Should Help Out
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I remember visiting Ontario and saw what Flaherty, Baird and Clement did to Ontario when they were in the Conservative Party Government of Premier Mike Harris. That Province came to a complete halt under their mismanagement. Now Ontario is trying to catch up to the deteriorating infrastructure left behind by the Conservatives when they were in power in Ontario.
As a BC'er I'd be more than pleased to share the wealth of our gas and other resources with Ontario and other parts of Canada that need help. Alberta should willingly do the same. We are one family and I for one am tired of conservative Albertans bathmouthing other parts of Canada such as Ontario and Quebec.
HL
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I guess they wiped their hands of Newfoundland. They didn't mention NL being one of the provinces receiving or not receiving equalization payments. Maybe they have wiped us off the map. I think Ontario should receive payments until their manufacturing economy can rise. They are part of Canada too - however we did not vote for Harper.
jim
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From CTV "Detroit-based auto maker said Monday that it sold nearly 169,000 light vehicles, down from about 307,000 in the same month last year."
People have no money to buy car, therefore no more assembly line needed. Nothing to do with the government or BC or Alberta. Now oil price drops too, the remaining oil & gas related manufacturing jobs in Ontario would go as well.
JAMES
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Forgot I was living in Ontario
Kevin D - Calgary
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Dd
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David
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I am an Ontarian and don't understand why we would expect federal dollars for our infrastructure. Why should Albertans pay for a subway in Toronto?
I was raised to believe that if you can't afford something, you don't buy it. We should all try to live like that.
Maureen
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Linda in Vancouver
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In eastern and central Canada,the issue of massive unre representation for the west may not even be on the radar screen.Nor is the Senate.I have absolutely no issue with any province getting equalization during tough times.But,surely the price for that should include fair and proper voices for ALL provinces in botth the Senate and in Parliament.
I do not resent anything about Ontario getting a fair shake.I do,howewver,very much resent their opposition to Senate reform,and the notion that they should be able to dictate to the entire country.
Equalization has been a difficult issue for all parties in power,for a very long time.When was the last time all of our premiers agreed on anything?? And all the time the feds are busy trying to play referee while provinces get into spitting contests about how to divy up a finite number of taxpayer dollars.
How do we reconcile the differences when one part of the country is conservative in it's ideology,and another is either liberal,or even socialist?? Neither should be denied,but they should also not be able to impose their views on a province with genuinely different views.
If we are supposed to be tolerant to minorities,why is it we cannot be tolerant to other regions of our own country??
I am as Canadian as anyone in Ontario.But I will fight to the end to preserve western values and lifestyles.
Former Ontarian
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I moved here from Toronto (born and raised there) 3.5 years ago with my family.
Contrary to popular belief the whole province doesn't work in oil.
Certainly the province is financially healthy and enjoys benefits like no PST and 'Ralph Bucks' etc., for which everyone here can thank the oil revenues.
But the real reason I moved out here is because I was fed up with Ontario, Toronto was too big and only getting worse and frankly the people out here are simply nicer!!!
It's all about quality of life, and there's nothing in the GTA that can offer what I have out here.
M. Cameron
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kari
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Doug in Calgary
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Paul
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marcel
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Agent001
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Larry NL
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Frank
I too left Ontario after living there for 63 years and I could see that the automotive industry was going to bringing the province to it's knees and there wasn't a safety net when it happens. Nothing to fall back on for employment.
Seth, the old adage that you quoted is very true about teaching the village how to fish, and that is what Ottawa is trying to do by supporting new innovative and technical ideas make cars that are using less gasoline or an alternative fuel. The country and the province to come up with this new industry will be the winner not the one that sits back and waits for handouts.
Mr. McGuinty has been taking hand outs for many years. When he can't squeeze anymore from the tax paying Ontarions, he goes after Ottawa and blames Canada for his own governments follies.
james
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Then we would all know which of these provincial politicians is lying.
Jack - AB
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How do we justify giving Quebec $8.35B? Around 50-55% of the equalization payments are going to Quebec. I just can't believe what is going on here. Talk about insanity. Hey Ontario, you guys are basically paying to subsidize Quebec and their socialist spending. $347M is nothing for Ontario - pocket change. Taking Quebec down to $5B so that Ontario can get a few Billion makes greater sense.
JRH
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joey
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Ontario has gotten its fair share when the dollar was low. Ontario was doing good at the expense of the rest of Canada.
Good Manufacturing Industry = Ontario is goind good.
Good Oil and Resource Industry = BC, AB, Sask, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland are doing well.
Which way is better?
Richard L. Provencher
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Mike from Ontario
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Anne
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DANIEL H
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Angry Liberal
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After the election,
equalization.
Good job Tories
Get real people - Thornhill
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Oba
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They need lots of equipments, pipes, vehicles, etc etc to get things going. The oil & gas company pay huge $$$$ for these equipments, much more than people pay for the cars in Windsor. The oil and gas industry benefits Ontario's manufacturing industry big time. It benefits the truckers who ship the equipments from ON to AB as well.
Another thing, the east-west division was initiated in the east first as in the past 5 decades, all policies in Ottawa favours Ontario and the Maritime. When the west starts to do well, the central wants to get a "fair share."
Ontario should stop complaining. Alberta increase all health care, tuition by 100% before the oil boom to pay off the provincial debt, AB didn't ask Ottawa to bail them out after the recession caused by the National Energy Program. AB deserves the boom and the luck. Ontario should follow with tight spending and start paying off the debt.
bob
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RAV
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al from calgary
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Billy Westerner
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Kim in Calgary
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edd
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A majority is still greater than 50%, which 12 million isn't.
And I'm also assuming when you listed the totals for the various provinces you meant million not billion.
DCR-Toronto
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Cal in Ottawa
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Randy
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Rick in Calgary
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Bee
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Brian AB
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I agree with what you said but i believe the biggest problem that the west has with quebec is the fact when it comes to a election time why is there a party from quebec in the election?
That is a provincal party it has no place when it comes to the rest of canada thats the only problem i have with quebec.
I feel quebec is an important part of canada but you should have to vote on the same parties as the rest of us.
Richard V
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Edmonton John
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What a total freaking joke!!!
We are still recovering from the ineptitude of King Ralph who disclosed as he left office that he had at no time EVER formulated a plan for economic growth and development.
Even Ralph could run a surplus out here, for crying out loud, so don't boast about management and judgement.
Please, fellow Albertans, like most Conservatives you are quick to ask others to 'get over it'. Well, now that applies to your pathological hatred of all things Liberal, and the East in general.
We are one country, and it all belongs to all of us. We need to work together to make this the best place on our poor tortured planet, for all Canadians. There's no room for the kind of poison spat out on this discussion board.
Michael (Ottawa South)
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As an Ontarian who did NOT vote for Dalton McGuinty I can assure you this is a shameful occurrence in large part to the poor management of our Ontario economy which has been struggling even before this recent financial crisis.
Stuart Graham
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John E
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JOHN
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development of Alberta’s petro-chemical industry. This was done at a great financial cost to the Ontario people and Ontario industry not to be able to import cheaper foreign. At the National Research Council, research on extracting oil from the Athabaska Tar Sands was financed by all of
Canada’s taxpayers not just Alerta – and from 1957 to 1965 Alberta was a recipient of equalization payments.
By the 1980s, Albertans
had largely forgotten both past poverty and past assistance and a constant whine was now heard from the West. BC never really complained nor did the other Western Provinced, just oil rich Alberta. Why is that?
Michael (Ottawa)
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Well when you have a Liberal party that caters to Toronto and Quebec and has NO REPRESENTATION outside of regional concentrations its little wonder the country has a distorted sense of identity. Fortunately under the Conservatives we have a new government which has representations across the entire nation which will help.
jabrod
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Jack
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DHay
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If only there was a viable opposition to take them out...
wilbil
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BTW, for those who don't know, Flaherty was elected again.
Must be doing something right! or is it the other way round?
Any way Mr Harper knows a good finance minister when he sees one like so many voters.
BW
Drew in NS
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If the people living in Nfld want any credibility in wanting this country to move ahead, they have got to vote for moving Canada forward instead of Danny Williams ego!
I have more respect for the people in Quebec who voted for the Bloc than the past elections cry baby premiers option.
NFLD may be a have province but a shame to Atlantic Canada
Lisa
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Brian
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The Conservatives have only been in power for 2 1/2 years, those blaming them for all the problems simply refuse to accept the reality, open your eyes because your only fooling yourself.
Ontario has certainly given money to the rest of Canada but most of that would never have been possible without federal investment.
Suck it up and look for new ways to improve the future.
Walter (Wpg.)
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Alberta better be carefull with all those pipelines running into the U.S. with raw crued- they may be in the same situation as Ontario soon, there's only so much oil in the ground.
John Power
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Adrian (Vancouver)
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This is not a Conservative, Liberal, or NDP problem...THIS IS A GENERATIONAL PROBLEM. Your generation's tired and archaic policies can't dry up soon enough. It's simply pathetic and embarrassing to watch.
Smarten up...you're supposed to be ROLE-MODELS for Pete's sake, and the only thing you're providing is a Model-T with flat tires.