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Date: Fri. Oct. 24 2008 8:49 PM ET

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty says he's confident the federal government will report a modest surplus this fiscal year even though Ottawa posted a $1.7-billion deficit in August.

Flaherty released his Fiscal Monitor report Friday showing the August deficit, which grew from a deficit of $0.1 billion in August 2007.

"For the first five months of the 2008-09 fiscal year, the budgetary surplus is estimated at $1.2 billion, down $5.5 billion from the $6.6-billion surplus reported in the same period of 2007-08," said the report.

The deficit in August was linked to a 10.1 per cent spending surge in transfers to provinces and individuals and in departmental costs.

"Spending does not tend to be even during the year federally and revenues don't come in even during the year," Flaherty said during a press conference Friday in Niagara Falls, Ont.

"I'm comfortable with the fact that we will have a modest surplus this fiscal year."

Flaherty said he'll have a better idea next month, when he releases his fall economic update, about whether the country could face deficits in the future.

He said Canada's economy is fairing relatively well with unemployment at near historic lows.

"The World Economic Forum assessed Canada's economic performance to be the most sound in the world," Flaherty said.

"Likewise, the International Monetary Fund concluded that Canada's financial system is unique, sophisticated and well-managed and able to withstand sizable shocks. This is made-in-Canada stability."

Still, he acknowledged that some businesses are facing tough times and many families are worried about their employment and savings.

Don Drummond of TD Bank told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live on Friday that the current economic crisis will hit Canadians like people in other nations, by affecting the price of available credit from banks.

"Our banks have been afflicted by the world difficulty, again not quite the same extent, but that means our economy will be afflicted by worldwide difficulties as well," Drummond said.

In an interview with CTV Newsnet Friday, Liberal House Leader Ralph Goodale said the August deficit is a classic case of "Conservative bad management."

He said Flaherty and Prime Minister Stephen Harper chose not to be prudent by increasing government spending to an "all-time record high without any Canadian on the street being able to tell you one or two tangible things they got from all of that spending."

Goodale also blamed the Tories for eroding the tax base without increasing disposable incomes or improving Canadian productivity.

"Most seriously, they've eliminated all of the shock absorbers, all the prudence factors, all the contingency reserves and the planning process that used to be built in to the federal budget to make sure that when these nasty international surprises come along we have the wherewithal to defend ourselves against them," he said.

Liberal finance critic John McCallum told Mike Duffy Live on Friday that Flaherty was partly to blame for the difficult choices he is now faced with by cooking up an economic "toxic soup."

"They ratcheted up spending by 33-billion dollars per year since they came to office (and) they abolished the three billion dollar contingency reserve which was our insurance policy against going back into deficit," McCallum said.

"In June of 2006, Mr. Jim Flaherty permitted, for the first time in our history, a 40-year mortgage with zero down payment, just what caused the problems in the United States."

Flaherty has said Ottawa is taking a second look at its spending commitments to determine whether they are still affordable, given the current economic slowdown.

"The Conservatives admit their spending has gone up a little more than they would like and they have over the last couple of years introduced a lot of income tax cuts that are reducing their revenue," CTV's Roger Smith said Friday from Ottawa.

"Mr. Flaherty, assuming he will be kept in his job when the new cabinet is sworn in next week, will have to be looking at their programs and any tinkering he might have to do before next February's budget."

In last February's budget, Flaherty predicted Ottawa would record a $2.3 billion surplus in 2008, followed by a $1.3 billion surplus next year.

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Mark M
said

Not unexpected. I still prefer to see a minor deficit in hard times than a 20 billion "surprise" surplus that just means we are overtaxed. We're still in good shape.


Hoss
said

Hehhe
Harper says "Balance the budget, lower taxes, and maintain the course"

Here is the course he will be maintaining

Amazing how many canadian have voted for this Guy


John from Fredericton
said

I wonder if anyone is having second thoughts about voting in the Tories?


Vahan
said

Ouch, ouch, ouch. Enough with this bad to worse news. I guess it is partly our (the readers) fault, with our insatiable appetite for news. Years ago we would not know we were in a recession until we were basically coming out of it, since all the data would trickle in months later and the turnaround was already on the horizon. Everybody step back off the ledge and wait, I am sure the worst is over. Hey of "experts" could always get it wrong why not me!


Justin Redcliff
said

If Dion was in charge, this wouldn't have happened.
The Liberals are proven to be better with the economy.
Too bad Canada.


Cal in Ottawa
said

I have heard lots of talk about deficit budgets recently. Perhaps it would also be prudent to budget according to what is needed vs what is wanted or nice. That is what citizens should do when they face an income shortfall, so should a gov't. Spending has increased well beyond the rate of inflation over the past several years as more of our money (the govt does not have any money, it is the taxpayers)has been spent on nice to do things. Time to cut back on this discretionary spending.


Chris
said

I think harper should cut more of these good for nothing arts projects and funding for special groups as right now it is a waste of money and we need to balance the books.


golf chick
said

voting for the tories was the smart thing to do, the liberal platform was going to cost 70-80 billion (depending who you believe) and the conservatives was estimated at 8 billion...
Liberals only know how to spend money and raise taxes.


Elizabeth
said

Now you know why Harper spent $300 million for an election. He knew this was coming and said "forget fixed election dates". "I will break my word in order to get what I want - another minority government".


James in North Vancouver
said

HMMM...... A 1.7 Billion deficit in August and Harpo campaigned on a platform of easy as she goes & we will not spend this counrty into a deficit.
Well thats the first promise broken and I'm sure more is to come.


Kevin D
said

Maybe people should read the article. Having a deficit in one month is to be expected. However if they have a deficit for an entire year then they have a problem. They are still predicting a 2.3 billion surplus for the year which in my opinion is still 1 billion too high.


Dan
said

The Liberals under Pierre Truduea ran up huge deficts. Liberal supportors seem to forget this. It was impossible for Mulruny to immediately turn the economy around. But I agree Chretian did an excellent job with the economy.

Jack Layton would have bankrupted us.


EdmBoy
said

Quick sell everything you have before it's to late!

If anyone's interested, the classifieds are still chalked full of job's in Alberta. Things aren't like they were a year ago - but I don't think many people want to go back to a time 30 minute line ups at fast food restaurants, hotel room shortages, housing shortages, worker shortages, and ridiculous housing prices (except realtors). My wife and I are doing reno's on a house we just moved into, and I can tell the construction market is still fairly busy, as it is a month and a half to get a good painter, and the tile contractor is booking into February.

Things aren't all that bad right now!


Dallas From AB
said

If anyone other than the conservatives were voted in the deficit would be huge.

Jack Layton and his 18 billion spending plan would not work in the current economic situation.

Canadians don't want any higher taxes! so the small deficit is fine, as the surplus will increase when the economy gets back on track, and no matter what the NDP & Liberal supports think the government has not control over the economy


Marg
said

NOW, it should be no wonder to anyone that the CON govt. called an election when they did. Does anyone really think that with the economy going south that things will improve over the last half of this fiscal year? A surplus of $1.2 billion over the first five months, but decreased by $1.7 billion in August alone. If this govt. calls for ANY more tax cuts, then I think the opposition parties should throw these bums out.


Socialism is killing us
said

Yep, with the Liberals, we'd get the green shaft and the government would be swimming in money with the Liberals handing some of it to their friends in brown paper bags. No thanks Liberals. Better luck next time.


Mojo
said

Did I just miss something or did the newly re elected Finance Minister brag about a surplus. What side of his mouth is he going to speak from this time. We are going to end up in the same mess as Ontario did after the Harris/Flaherty regime with huge deficits.


Exiled Canadian
said

"...the accumulated surplus so far into the fiscal year to a five-month total of $1.2 billion..."

In other words, they're still in the black and still have the strongest of all G7 economies despite the global crisis.

I'm convinced some people would have complained if they had run a deficit of merely $10.

Canada is fortunate to have a government who knows what it's doing. If they wind up with even a slight deficit at the end of fiscal 2008, it will still be radically better than what other countries are going through.




James
said


So what exactly is the long term effect on Canadians if the government has a deficit in the short term.

We had these "surpluses" with the liberals and it didn't benefit Canadians at all. We saw health care, education and infrastructure eroded. EI and CPP premiums sore.

So with the doom and gloom reporting, how will I be adversely affected if the government has a deficit?




Paul R. Martin
said

Monthly revenue and spending numbers are always volatile. One month does not make a trend. I expect that a lot of transfer payments to other governments were made in August.


Sounds like what Flaherty did to Ontario
said

So wait, this deficit occurred in AUGUST even before this current Meltdown/Bailout was even acknowledged to be taking place in October?

What do you think that means will happen at the next update in January? Guess the Conservatives were successful again in fooling a minority of Canadians.


Get real....
said

THis is not a political issues. If you think that the gvmt can save you from a recession, then why the hell aren't all of our streets paved with gold? Gvmts can screw up an economy and they can make good moves to lessen the impact of a bad situation but every country on Gods green earth will have a cyclical economy. This is a global issue, 1 canadian leader is not going to fix the whole thing (but they could very well make it worse)


Esther
said

Time for the West to seperate. I am sick of Ontario unionism and Quebec entitlement. They are bringing the Canadian economy down.


Den from Montreal
said

Funny how these figures weren't released until AFTER the election, huh?!
Accountability? What accountability?
If people knew what their "representatives" in gov't were really up to, we'd have even lower voter turnout.
What a joke it all is. It's only a shame that it's at our expense.


Ken - Calgary
said

Congratulations, Canada... YOU VOTED FOR THIS. You could have voted for the only party that has ever balanced the books, even in tough times, but no... you voted CON instead.


David in Toronto
said

Some people should REALLY learn to read the articles and not just the headlines. The deficit is only for the month of August and not for the year. The year will post a surplus. Now I know where the liberals/ndp get their voter base from.


Jim
said

They were lying to us all along . Proof was out there that they were running a deficit but media choose to ignore it during the election.


JamesR
said

Nobody like a deficit, but seriously everybody...

We are in the worse global financial meltdown whose magnitude has not been met since the great depression. I challenge anyone to look at the books at all major western industrialized nations and see if there balance sheet compares as well as ours.

Running a deficit is not a sin, but often a necessity during times of economic slumps. I am not saying that the conservatives have been perfect when it comes to spending priorities (indeed they should be chastised when rebuke is due), but I am saying that governments should not be fearful of responsibly using the power of fiscal policy to help the long term prosperity of our nation.

Bottom line, deficits are okay during bad times, and rightfully should be considered irreprehensible during boom times. Just so happens we are, along with the rest of the world, not in boom times anymore.



David in Ontario
said

So, Harper is to blame? Come on, folks, perhaps you didn't learn to read when you were kids in PET's Canada, but I can read.
"For the first five months of the 2008-09 fiscal year, the budgetary surplus is estimated at $1.2 billion" We are still taking in more this year than we are putting out. If Dion were in power, sure, there would be more of a surplus, but at what expense? HUGE taxation, that's how.
As well, I find it rather ironic that the Liberal Party of Canada is credited with the surpluses of the 1990s. They basically followed the Mulroney Plan (Martin was a rather good finance minister), but it took both Mulroney and Chretien to stop the bleeding started by PET back in the 1970s with all that social engineering. We still owe huge amounts of money, but at least we're still not spiralling.

Remember, a big surplus means we are way over taxed. A modest surplus means that we are on the right track.


Michael Buckley
said

You know im so tired of peopel complaining. Every time there is a election you always vote the same way. Liberal or Tory. 1 devil for the other. Maybe it's time for a change and this country stand up and elect a new party. Give someone new a chance to run the country. And sorry the BLOC is not even a choice. So my recommendation is NDP / GREEN party. My personal choice would be NDP.


Chris Ont
said

I enjoy reading that most of the people have a surplus in their household budgets every month. Oh hold on it fluctuates. as long as at the end of the year you made more than you spent all is good right. You don't look month to month at your own, and everyones credit cards are paid off also. Relax people, it will work itself out.


KC
said

SPEND SPEND SPEND. Let's see if the conservatives in Canada can put Canadians in the poor house as much as the conservatives in Anerica has.

It's what happens when you can't control yourself from spending other peoples money - typical neo-con accountingl


PJR
said

How convenient for the Conservatives that this didn't come out earlier. That's what happens when you elect these clowns. Well done Canada. You made you bed now lie in it.


Political Junkie
said

Is anyone paying attention...

"The deficit posted in August shrinks the accumulated surplus so far this fiscal year."

Meaning the fiscal year end is still projected to be in surplus. Only difference is now the surplus will be a little less. Also keep in mind the 4.5 billion made from selling bandwidth to the wireless communications companies. This hasn't been factored into the budget yet.


Think people
said

Any economist worth their salt says that a country should run a deficit during a recession to help pull the country out.

Also, do all the people bashing the conservative realize that a huge chunk of the spending is the residuals from the liberal budgets passed. Remember how they say 4 billion over 10 years.


Oscar
said

WOW,

It’s all Harper's fault?... he must be the devil himself, the reason for the WORLD's economic problems!

Give me a break, every country in the world is being affected by this, the PM has nothing to do with it and is doing a good job keeping us out of the worst of it. Anyone who thinks different is sadly misinformed.

If Dion had won, we would be in the same situation AND have a leader that others around the world snicker behind his back.

All those out there whining about the deficit would do the same if their valuable social programs were cut by the Tories as well, so for the majority of the naysayers out there this is a loose loose situation anyways.










Danny Dinosaur
said

The comments are already taking a turn towards finger pointing and a 'they would be worse' approach. Shake your heads. We have a living example of what partisan thinking will do to the economy immediately south of us. They are figuring it out and we continue to dive right in to it. It does not work and it is a "divide and conquer" political game.
As voters, we need to quit allowing it.
Demand performance from the Government instead of childish games.
In regards to the immediate issue of a deficit, we should have figured it out. Unfortunately, our voter stupidity allowed a government to lie to us - again.
Keep up the fighting and they will bring us more lies. You can count on it.


DR
said

With so many hand outs in Canada it will be near impossible to not go into deficit without cutting something. There are far more people taking from the pot than putting in. I think it's time we made some serious decisions about what we should be spending our money on in this country. We all know that trillions are wasted and cuts should be made but no party would dare take candy from the babies. Canada will continue to float along. spineless and directionless like the jellyfish of a nation we are.


Mark - Vegreville, AB
said

Wow. A $1.7Billion deficit ($50 per person) for one month. The world must be coming to an end.

This year is the first time I can recall a month by month update whether we have run a surplus or deficit, so how am I to tell if this is just media sensationalism or something to worry about?


Bernadette, Windsor/Ontario
said

Thank God was the Conservative Government that won the election. If was the Liberals would be a disaster for Canada and all of us Canadians. I trust Mr. Harper we will come out of this just fine. Just wait and see. He does what he says & he doesn't promise in less he can deliver, unlike the Liberals they promise like there is no tomorrow because they know they won't deliver even if they make us pay taxes through the nose. Can you imagine the Carbon Tax, "Green Shift" in top of this economic incertainty?


Rebecca
said

The currency devaluation will cost Canadians their purchasing power when prices inflate. This monetary system has nothing to do with our well being. We need a resource based economy where every need is considered. Also to acknowledge resources are in abundance all around us so that we can stop invading other countries and telling them how to live so that we can have their resources. What about geothermal heating/electricity? What about magnetic trains and vehicles that can operate from free energy so that we can research more technologies? What about that? Let's move past this economic musical chairs game so that every person can have a chair to call their own and evolve? I guess I can dream.


Bruce
said

1.7 Billion is a lot of money, which is not to be ignored. But, this is pocket change compared to what the US deficits, bailouts and debts are.

This is capitalism. People put too much blame on the government when it craps out and gives it too much credit when it booms.


RRO
said

Economic theory dictates that during times of Economic stability and growth you are not supposed to spend a great deal, then in times of economic hardship you spend.

I was confused that it was not mentioned in this article that the Government paid off 40 billion in debt last year and is on track to do so again.

I for one don't need to see 20 billion dollar surpluses that would disappear into Liberal hands. In the current state of the world economy small deficits wouldn't even be that bad. What is most important is that you don't squeeze tax payers at a time when they are suffering.


RRO
said

Trudeau left us with crippling debt for which Mulroney had to introduce GST. Mulroney also passed free trade which the Liberals originally opposed.

Chretien now gets credit for 13 years of economic growth. But the two things that let him do that where GST which gave him a massive new source of income that should have been used to pay the debt and NAFTA which produced unbelievable amounts of new revenue.

Mulroney took all the heat for those two policies while Chretien reaped the rewards, while promising year after year to eliminate GST.

Harper comes to office and drops GST by 2% as promised. One month with a deficit does not mean at the end of the year we will have a deficit, it means one month.


Hozer in Sask.
said

Canada will never get out of debt as long as policitions are given the right to kick up foolish spending when they decide to call an election.Canadians fall for this bull every election.
get ride of the special interest groups that always get their way when they go crying to the media that they need monies Get out and work for it as any proud CANADIAN would do.
Quit begging


Shannon
said

Okay everybody, calm down. It is a deficit for a single month, not the fiscal year. It is for back in August, and Mr. Flaherty does seem appropriately concerned. If the year end shows a very small surplus we should all celebrate the Conservative election "win". (I would have preferred a majority).

But if Mr. Harper and Mr. Flaherty want to retain the confidence of the Canadian people, they had better do almost anything to avoid the word "deficit". That would give the Liberal Party months worth of ammunition.


Nick in Gatineau
said

No political party knows what the real numbers are until they get voted into power. That is reality. Even Harper for all the promises he made when he was a reformer had no clue - and it was apparent that he didn't. He certainly did not expect to see the kind of numbers he found.

Since then, he squandered most of the surplus, failed to listen to the futurist economist - which were 100 % correct.

Now mind you its not Harper's fault we are in a recession but keep in mind that in the past the government used 22 indices to justify an actual recession. Now they use 5. The very accumulation of those 5 can take up to 6 times longer than identifying the 22 seperately. All of them are monitored daily and the PM is informed daily of any large drop of the markets (300 pts +).

The fact that our Government hides things from us, and I am sure they will lay blame on the FAA (Financial administrations act), is a telling sign that once again we are in times where Government cannot be trusted.

One last thing...

Trudeau brought deficit to 18 Billion, Debt to 198 or 211 (depends who you talk to) and interest rates to 12 %, Mulroney brought deficit to 55 Billion and debt to 635-655 Billion(depends who you talk to) and interest rates to almost 24 %. Chretien's deficit was 0, and he lowered the debt.

No offence but the good times we just enjoyed were Liberal ones. It seems like all the bad ones are conservative...


Paul in BC
said

Flaherty tried to hide the deficits when he ran Ontario into the ground when he was Finance Minister during the Conservative administration; I wonder what he'll try to hide now he is Federal Finance Minister when he presents the state of the books in November when the House is finally recalled after the $300 MILLION dollar unnecessary election.


Alberta Conservative
said

Liberal supporters just don't seem to understand the most basic concepts. Just complain, complain, complain, blame, blame, blame. The WORLD is in financial crisis and they're still complaining about a SURPLUS? I just don't get it. I guess get the minds of liberals and I'm glad I don't.


Rick
said

Sorry to bust your bubble Liberals but we still have an annual surplus.

Oh, and by the way, Ontario now has a deficit 1/3 the size of the (August) Federal Governments, and it's only one province.

I wonder who's in charge in Ontario?




javid radfar
said

Well, I guess we all should congratulate ourselves for electing a conservative government. This is just the beginning. With this government, more financial problems are coming. Liberals should unite as quickly as possible and choose an effective leader. Sooner we could get rid of Harper and the cons, better we can manage the economy.


marg
said

During the election campaign I don't recall the Conservatives(reform party, canadian alliance party)mentioning the word "deficit" but they certainly said that there was a surflus. The word surflus made them look good which was deceptive to the Canadians.


RAV
said

The posters here seem to have very narrow vision. This global recession has been triggered by the USA which has not been properly managing its economy. Now every country in the world is attempting to protect themselves from the effects of the current downturn. Everyone should step back, take a deep breath and determine how best to protect their interests. It would not matter which political party in Canada was in power they could not avoid the impact of a global recession; particularly when Canada is primarily an exporting nation. Give Harper and the Conservatives credit in that they have consistently forecasted a downturn in the economy. They may have misjudged its magnitude but they have taken protective measures which place Canada in a better position than most countries. This is not to say that any party in power with the aid of the bureaucracy would have done anything different. However the proposed policies of the opposition during the election were scary. The governments responsibility continues to be one of minimizing the impact of any downturn. A good banking system, stable monetary regulation and a reducing dollar relative to the US all help in this regard.


sasha
said

we can not afford a deficit. we have ~ 500 billion debt. this surpluses that we had under liberals went to pay off this debt more quickly. before the baby boomer died.. this silly " zero" surplus policy of the conservatives.. will only burden the the tax payer of tomorrow . the baby boomer are going to stop playing taxes soon, as they die off. and that about 25% of the population is going to disappear with out replacement. .. so what are you going to do. either you use mass immigration to stabilize the population base. or a massive inheritance tax to pay off the massive baby boomer debt..... expect a massive deficit by the end of the year.. probably in the tune of about 12 - 20 billion.. and next years will probably will be worse, much worse .. Harper already broke somethings that did not need fixing.. by reducing the surpluses which are not really surpluses because the went to pay off the principle debt.. basically now he running the country how alot of homeowner run their households on credit - only making a minimum payment each month.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

So the deficit in August was due to a surge in transfer payments to the provinces, individuals and departmental costs. Well provincial payments are necessary unless, of course, the electorate want increased provincial taxes from the premiers. Individuals is a broad term which needs clarification and departmental costs can be reduced to save money.I know for a fact that government departments like to spend everything they are given, so they need to lay down the law and, if a department is running a surplus, they should not be allowed to spend it, unless absolutely necessary. This not a big deficit, when you compare it to the credit debt of Canadians.


Jeff in Saint John, NB
said

In response to what Chris has to say about the Arts. I don't know if he realizes this but the Arts is good for the economy. When times are tough we look towards those who perform for us for comic relief as well as a way to help oleviate the stress of everyday troubles currently affecting our country today. If u think that cutting the program is a good idea then maybe you should run for office and finally see how hard it is to run a country.


Exiled Canadian
said

I know some of you are disappointment by the election results but you need to get over it already. It's done.

The reason why it wasn't released before the election is because the numbers weren't all in yet. If they would have been available, the opposition parties would have screamed to have them released immediately. They know when these numbers get released.

Read the ENTIRE article: They are still running a surplus for the year.

Canada still has the strongest banks in the world. It is still the strongest of the G7 economies. There was no bank bailout like other countries have done; it was $25B of mortgages bought through the CMHC. All of the mortgages involved are high-quality assets that are already guaranteed through government-backed mortgage insurance. They're not loans in danger of defaulting.

You need to read people...Sheesh.


Nareg
said

So many people seem to be so obsessed about having balanced budget. Calm down people, we're in tough economic times, it's not unexpected and please don't blame the government for this.


Rich in Montreal
said

I am Canadian and I am proud to complain about my government like every other Canadian. (At my dinner table)
Trudeau ran up deficits. Mulrohney imposed the GST to get rid of the deficits. Chretien (and Martin) did a good job of balancing the books (sponsorship aside).
Harper gave it back to the people and at the same time ran up a deficits.
Next, a Liberal government will imposed a tax. And we'll have to wait two mandates before a Conservative gouv. balances the books once again.
Is it me or have the Liberals and Conservative switch sides?


Johnson Mapple
said

If any of you have debts that you couldn't pay off in cash if the debts were called in, I don't know what qualifies you to pronounce on anyone's deficits or or surpluses.


Scott ONT
said

it amazes me how close minded some people are. Whoopidy doo. Do you realize how minute 1.7B is in the big picture? not to mention that the books are still showing a overall surplus for the fiscal year.

I am not partisan at all, I had a great respect for the Liberals when Chretien first took office. He did a good job but towards the end, the liberals started slipping and haven't found the leadership to bring them back. Harper is a great choice and the conservative platform is great for Canada as a whole.

I get so tired of listening to the " doom and gloom " approach of some of the lib supporters out there. Your party lost, get over it. Harper is doing a great job. There's a reason we're the country that the best poised to deal with the current crisis affecting the "GLOBE". And it's Stephen Harper.


lucky in AB
said

I thought this might happen, I am just thankful that we didnt have a 7% carbon tax..whew lucky us!


JR - Ontario
said

It does not matter if the Conservatives or Liberals are in power, with the economical turmoil going on right now either party would be facing a deficit.
Good news for Canada I think the Conservatives will deal with it better than the Liberals could of seeing as for now they are very disfunctional and distracted by their leadership question.
In the end I think the Conservatives will handle this rationally and prudently, you don't want both government and the markets in chaos at the same time!


abes
said

To Nick,

You are factually incorrect. First, the Cons have not squandered a surplus, they gave ME MY MONEY back, and paid off debt. A government running excessive surplus' is doing it's job as poorly as one running massive deficits.

2nd, Mulroney ran a deficit higher than PET only once, and all were greatly lower if indexed to inflation.

Finally, the 24% interest rates happened well before Mulroney took power in 1984. 1981 IIRC.


Oshawa Paul
said

I love the fact that any negative news is eaten up by the Libs when it comes to the government. "I told you so....I told you so...." they say to the people in their neighbourhood. You are just as bad as the people who come to your door at dinner time selling crap that has loads of hidden fees but that's why you say no thanks and shut the door. I appreciate thoughtful comments on this topic but for 1 month to be in the red means nothing. A common sense approach would say that it isn't great to lose that money from our surplus but hopefully we will remain strong and finish in the black. I wonder if the same door to door salesmen that left comments are also ranting on how poor the markets are doing? I'm happy to see oil come down but am angry that the reflection at the pumps are extremely slow. Instead of bitching about 1 month of red how about rallying for low gas prices that will actually relect the market...this is an area that needs more coverage and why it is so slow to come down.


Robin the Hood
said

during the entire election Harper says no deficits and yet this proves he is nothing but a big liar knowing full well govt was already in deficit. proves how gullible Canadians are for voting for them. pathetic!



Tom in Toronto
said

So if we are being told now that the country was in deficit in August did Mr. Flaherty and Mr. Harper know that during the campaign? Reminds you of Ernie Eves campaigning saying Ontario's books were balanced only to find that he was handing a $5.6B deficit to Mr. McGuinty. Maybe the feds should introduce legislation similar to Ontario requiring that a clear financial picture be provided before people go to the polls.


miel0015
said

"Did I just miss something or did the newly re elected Finance Minister brag about a surplus. What side of his mouth is he going to speak from this time."

Actually it was the PM boasting that they were in a surplus and not a recession when campaigning. Guess what? It was neither a recession (yet if there will be) nor a surplus!!!.


KRB
said

Nick in Gatineau, your numbers are all wrong!

Trudeau’s last deficit was $38 billion (8.2% of GDP), the highest EVER deficit in peacetime Canada. That would be equivalent to a $123 Billion deficit today! Plus we had an operating deficit then (i.e. a deficit before debt servicing charges). Mulroney’s highest deficit was $43 billion, but that was lower as a %-of-GDP (5.1% vs. 8.2%) than Trudeau’s. The high interest rates you talk about happened in 1981 under Trudeau! Get your facts right!

I’m sorry, but anyone (even the Liberals) can manage a hot economy. That’s the easy part. It’s managing a downturn that you see who’s got the goods and who doesn’t. Give me Harper over any of the others (even Martin circa 1995) anytime!



Paul in Wpg
said

I am a Liberal but I do find it ridiculous that people are blaming Harper for the current GLOBAL economic crisis. The Gov't ran a deficit for Aug but is still predicting a surplus for the year. No gov't in the whole entire world knew that it would be this bad. Iceland is practically bankrupt, Scotland and Ireland too if the U.K. did not bail them out. Norway, denmark and Sweden are seriously considering adopting the Euro. The currency for the U.K. and Australia have dropped dramatically.

No Gov't (Liberal or Conervative) can insulate the Canadian economy from the global financial crisis


TVic
said

Oh, so now Harper is facing a deficit? In the interest of full disclosure he should have declared this during the election, but no, keep it a secret!! Harper has given us these phoney GST tax cuts that we don't even see instead of paying down the debt. During the election he told us everything was cool, Canada was in good shape to weather a recession. Now he is going to turn to deficit financing. I wish this had been all out in the open during the election, I'm sure people would have been inclined to vote differently.


Johnny from Incheon
said

The Liberals are in no way better at balancing the budget. All Martin did was download all of the deficits to the provinces by cutting social transfers.

Liberal supporters must be blind if they don't see that. Harper is nearing a deficit because he tried to give some of that money back.


I voted by the way!
said

The real reason why we went to the polls.


al from calgary
said

To kc and other libs
Since all the conservatives do is SPEND SPEND SPEND and the liberals run massive surpluses, just exactly where is all the surplus money



Chris
said

To Nick in Gatineau:

If you are to put out stats like that for me to believe, please reveal your resource. I want to check those numbers myself!!!

One month of deficit for a year end surplus... sounds like a good trade to me. Remember people:

IN ORDER TO MAKE AN OMLETTE, YOU MUST BREAK A FEW EGGS!!!


Rob (Calgary)
said

Why as a general population do Canadians always have their hands out when things go bad. Here's an idea, if we are in a recession, work harder. Pick yourself up as opposed to expecting the government to bail you out. Don't spend more then you can afford. If you can't afford to pay for childcare, don't have kids.
Also, Canada is a part of a global economy. Canada is not an island, so if the world goes into recession we will as well. Hate to break it to you but Harper is not to blame for this. We are lucky to have him calm leadership right now.


Jeff
said

I am anything but Conservative, but to be fair, there is no point in blaming them for all of this- whether the Conservatives or Liberals (or NDP) had been in power, we'd be headed for a slowdown because of the American free markets and Republican ideology.

That said, reducing taxes may be contributing to the deficit problem, just as it has in the States- except there they borrowed from the Chinese rather than tax the rich, leaving it up to the middle class to pay back the loan, a neat way of transferring money from middle to upper classes.

So this raises the question: what will the Conservatives do here? Will we find ourselves slowly slipping back into the red, and borrowing money from other nations (if they have any) to meet our basic costs?

Or will we reduce our social services and blame it on the recession, while continuing to offer the rich their tax breaks?

In other words, will the poor bear the brunt of the recession caused by Republican free market ideology, and by Torry tax cuts?

Watch for them to sell this on the dubious argument that giving the rich more money will stimulate the economy and bring us out of the recession. Remember Reagan's "trickle down" economics?

It didn't work then either.


Captialism is killing us
said

Just a thought....

Ontario Liberal without Flaherty as Finance Minister run an deficit of 500million in time that everybody considered as worst time of our history for market.

Flaherty as Fiance Minister with Harris Tory government in time which considered as good time and they hide deficit of $15 BILLION. Huge difference and I guess that is one of good example of Liberal being good at managing ecomony.

This man is an crook and I can't believe he got elected -it is no wonders since I've visited Whitby... What a redneck town that don't allow any Tim Horton in city because Mayor happened to like Country Coffee......

This man touting captialism then maybe he should allowed one in his own riding.


GC
said

Blaming Harper for the current global economic condition is a reflection of how little Canadians understand what is really going on here.

As one poster put it "If Dion was in charge, this wouldn't have happened"

This statement requires no additional comment.




Trent
said

If Dion is in charge, we would be overtaxed as usual.

Surplus = overtaxed.

Deficits force governments to be more efficient by firing some of the dead weight that works in goverment.


Jean-Luc from Toronto
said

Didn't Steven Harper state during the last televised debate that we were running a surplus...? No wonder he appeared uncomfortable during the discussion on the economy. As the saying goes; Lie, Deny and Act Surprised.

No wonder why citizens don't trust our political leaders? It is unfortunate bad we do not have a recall process.

I believe that Mr. Harper deliberatly mislead the electorate. If he was an honourable man he would fallow Stephane Dion's lead and resign.



Chad
said

Not only do we need to cut art funding but we need to have a closer look at foreign aid. Someone once said to me before we look out of our country lets take care of the people in it. IF we have a deficit this year how much would foreign aid have contributed to it?


thomas
said

Everybody just take a step back please, enough "doom & gloom" messages from the dissatisfied NDP/Lib messages. The same people who overlook any abuses by the Libs during their time in power, are very quick to point out any mistakes by other governing parties. Supporters of all political parties need to realize that the election is over and move on to support the Canadian Government on all fronts. Afterall none of the politicians are held accountable for their promises during an election campaign, just check out the official Elections Act and educate yourselves instead of whining about it, eh?!


a non conservative albertain!
said

no surprise here that the conservatives LIED to us oncce again! what has it been two weeks sincwe the election ! when mr. flatery and mr. Harper both said canada will not have a deficit this year! and this id from August u do relize it's almost november right! so i wonder who big the deficit actuqally is! typical conservative tactics!


liberal from montreal
said

guys wake up. the economy is NOT yet in a recession and already this government landed us in a deficit. tax cuts are the major reasons. oil companies who were contributed the most to the revenues benefited the most.

Conservatives = deficits. we knew this before, and this is what we are getting now


Lucky_Eddie
said

When the Ontario Fiberals got in, they manufactured a deficit for one month by leaving out the revenues that were coming later in the year. They used this as an excuse to double the income tax of people in the $20-$25K bracket and break a slew of other promises. But they're Lieberals so no problem. Now they have announced a real deficit for the whole year and again, not a word of criticism from the left. On the contrary, they're just being prudent, cutting such luxuries as health and education, just like Martin did to become a financial hero. But let the Conservatives have just one insignificant one and harper is the devil. I gotta say, the chutzpah of Liberal hypocrisy is never ending.


L
said

The world is entering a recession, the fact that the Canadian government is feeling this too is not surprising in the least. The liberals would have the same results, if not worse. Comments like "if Dion was in charge this wouldn't have happened" are naive. The liberals could not have prevented the world-wide recession any more than the conservatives have, they just would have taxed us more to try and make up for it. I have no regrets about who I voted for.


Sask Man
said

We need to all chill a bit. A month with a deficit is not saying that the year will end this way.

I still would rather have the tax breaks that the Conservatives gave us than the huge surplus that would have been compained and promised into the red with the Liberals.
This is why Dion needed the new tax (Green Shift) so he could load the cofers on the backs of western oil, and Canadians everywhere. He wanted this money to reload the Liberal promise machine.
Well we didn't fall for that.
Thank God


Kevin in Toronto
said

Flaherty left Ontario with a deficit of 15 Billion? When did that happen?

Even if you use the fudged Liberal numbers, it was 5 Billion.

Though the Liberal's manufactured a deficit by canceling the budgeted sale of provincial assets in order to introduce their Health Premium which they still kept in effect; after boasting a 3 Billion dollar surplus 3 years later.


A. Bica
said

"Flaherty still confident he'll post 'modest surplus'" . . . of course he will, he can write whatever he wants to into the books!

Want a surplus . . . give me the pen!


Brandon E
said

if the liberals were in charge, they would have cut transfer payments to the provinces again like they did in the 90's to balance the budget


CC
said

Amazing how many people haven't a clue of how Federal finances work. To blame Harper for this is like blaming Dion for global warming. Complete BS. Perhaps people should look outside the little bubbles they live in and see how the world as a whole works. If it were as simple as some think, we'd all be dancingin a circle...never to have a problem again. Canadians better start waking up to the world, and not their own personal "now" needs.


Nick in Gatineau
said

Say you're Finance Minister and your deputy minister walks in and tells you that in 5 years, you will have a 21 % drop in revenues due to Bankruptcies that happened 25 years ago. Now say that he describes how there will be 3 episodes just like that that will occurr within a 10 year period.

Then your deputy minister tells you that for the last 10 years your predecessors have been accumulating surplus to cover for the upcoming drop in revenues.

As Finance Minister, do you spend that accumulated surplus on tax breaks that don't work and military campaigns, in a 2 year period - prior to the onslaught of the drop of revenue (Conservative way) ?

OR

Do you keep the surplus to cover for the upcoming losses and accumulate more surpluses to cover for it and to pay for initiatives rather than tax cuts that don't work (Liberal way) ?

Well guess which one Flaherty chose ?

Did the economy fair better ? Did prices go down ? Did government coffers increase ? Did Harper not become an apostle of the 'Government should be run like a business' theory ?

He is no better than all those folks who got mortgages they could not afford - you know, the ones who caused this whole mess in the first place by having a foreclosure sign nailed to their front door. Once again, Canada is shopping around for a mortgage it can't afford. And once again, it is under the guidance of a conservative finance minister.


Mykey, The Lakehead
said

The Conservatives are not about to sell Canadians short just to make themselves look good. In Stephen Harper we are counting on the best. Stand by your man.

As for the poster who says there are no Tim Hortons in Whitby how about the one next to the Royal Motel.


Rob (Calgary)
said

To Liberal in Montreal

Tax breaks for large coporations create jobs for citizens. When more people have jobs that creates a larger tax base for the government.
Increased taxation on corporations leads them to take their business elsewhere so they can compete in the global economy. Meaning less tax revenue for the government and less jobs for canadians.

You do the math.


Kris D
said

This is actually part of the Conservative hidden agenda:

Reduce revenues to the point where in order to avoid a deficit, they will cut social programs (medicare, education transfers, etc.)

Too bad the majority of Canadians realized this and voted for ABC but have been over ruled by a minority of citizens (65% ABC vs 37% CON)

Unite the left. Now.


RVH
said

It funny, the Ont Liberals are running a deficit but liberal followers don't seem to care. How ironic. Take the log from your own eye before the speck in others!!


MikeinRegina
said

Over taxed eh? How about we pay off our $450 Billion debt. We are not over taxed and because of those "$20billion suprises" we were able to substainally pay down our debt, save significant money on interest charges, eliminate our debt to foreign countries and save our children and grandchildren from having to pay for our past indiscretions.


KRB
said

Here is the history of the Bank Rate in Canada … the only time over 20% is in 1981 … it’s not even close to any other period. The early 90’s were high too, as that was John Crow trying to bring inflation to heel. He succeeded, and we benefitted from that for many years in the nineties; but it also made the 1991 recession worse than it had to be.

Glenn in T.O.
said

I love how everyone posts that a Liberal gov't would have us in a massive deficit right now. Because obviously that was the way they did for the past 12 years right? Flaherty destroyed Ontario's finances, now he's applying the same principles to the rest of the country. In a few years he'll be working for the U.N. telling them that Canada is the last place on Earth they should do business.

Say what you want about the Liberals because they have plenty of flaws but one thing is for sure. They did a very good job of managing the budget and the economy.


Amar Hussein
said

The easiest way to balance the books would be to stop feeding Quebec's culture of entitlement.


Kevin
said

I am not a conservative supporter but this is not Harper's fault. He did not create a global slowdown.

The government will have to run a deficit.

Mark M
"Not unexpected. I still prefer to see a minor deficit in hard times than a 20 billion "surprise" surplus that just means we are overtaxed. We're still in good shape."

we have debt and we pay interest on the debt and a magic fairy doesn't make our debt disappear, tax payers do.


Hanley
said

Glad I didn't vote them in.....and we tried to warn you....but you wouldn't listen.


Nick in Gatineau
said

To Abes,

How can you say Mulroney ran only 1 deficit when the day he got in , he was already running one !? He made it grow !!! Mind boggling when you go from 18 Billion to 55 Billion deficit. But he only ran 1 surplus ? How did he do that ?

Oh, as for the 24%, 1991 saw 1 bank announcing that rate for a 3 week period. Most were running it at 18 to 21. And were expected to hike them to 25 % at one point.
Some of my neighbours were renewing in December 1992 and were almost forced to accept 21 % rates. They chose to wait. Don't remember the type of mortgage they were aiming for. I'll have to ask them.

BTW, the period of 1991 to 1993 saw bankrupcies go from 50 thousand a year to over 100 thousand a year due to foreclosures. One of the indeces for a recession might I add.

Then...'THE GREATEST MOMENT IN CANADIAN POLITICAL HISTORY' happened: Mulroney resigned.

The rates dropped substantially. That says something ...

The payment on debt was happening way before Harper got into power.

So conservatives save in their personal lives but not their public ones ? Fiscally responsible at home but not at work ?

Having no surplus is equivalent to implosion. At some point you have to realize that the programs you run were because Canadians wanted them. Regardless of their political beliefs, Cabinet has to represent all Canadians, not only the conservative ones and not only the liberal ones. Cutting programs has never been the answer. Its time they represent EVERYONE.


RAV
said

Nick in Gatineau still doesn't get it. Those surpluses he talks about are applied to the debt. They do not sit under a mattress somewhere to be pulled out when needed.


R D
said

I said it once before and I'll say it again. ALL Governments absolutely must initiate a HIRING FREEZE immediately.With the 1000s who will be either retiring or quitting over the next few months, we can save $ millions right across the country. I hope Flaherty & McGuinty get to read this.


Chris
said

Nick in Gatineau still hasn't answered my question... WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR NUMBERS FROM??? Tell me your source and I'll find out for myself if you are correct. If you are correct, then you would have won me over to the liberal side as history tells us, but if you're wrong, you just proved to me how Fiberal you may be... so please answer my question, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR NUMBERS FROM... WHAT SOURCE ARE YOU USING?


Harper is and has been on the right track.
said

Prime Minister Harper was bang on.

It's unfortunate Liberals and their supporters are so damn partisan that they can't bring themselves to accept the truth that we are in pretty good shape comparatively speaking to the rest of the world. Independent reports all atest to that fact but Liberals either are too proud to acknowledge that or they cant read the numbers and figure it out.

All I can say is I'm glad Harper is running the show than that absent minded Quebec professor who would be taxing us to death now instead of providing the economy with stimulus as Harper has been doing.




Doug BC
said

Interesting how partisan the posts are.People seem to go to no ends to either chastize,or heap praise on the party they chose to support.I think it would be a lot more productive if we debated each issue on it's merrits,rather than through a biased lens.
As a former Liberal who now votes Conservative, I can honestly say I have no regrets whatsoever.While it is fair to debate how we spend discretionary dollars in every budget,the one huge plank missing from the Liberal platform is a commitment to lower taxes and pay down debt.Just tax and spend.Then tax some more and spend some more.I think they oppose tax cuts now because,if they get elected they will have fewer dollars to waste when,or if they regain office.
As to predicting what is ahead in this turbulent economic time,I think ANYONE who says they KNOW what is going to happen is either foolish or stupid.
All that we can really hope is that all levels of government are aware of the risks and uncertainty,and do everything they can to mitigate the damage to Canadians and the future of our economy.
For me,at this time,I am a lot happier to have a government that is commited to lower taxes and paying down past debt,as opposed to one that likes higher taxes and is not troubled by increasing our accumulated debt.
If government has no plan to even attempt to bail us out of debt,or to reduce our taxes,there is a guarantee it will never happen.If they do have such plans,though there is no guarantee,there is at least a chance.
No more socialists need apply for my vote any time soon.


Dave in Toronto
said

Harper said on tv in a debate, no deficit. He looked like he was squirmish saying it because he knew it to be false. Here is what his government has done:
reduced their capacity to generate income, increased government spending by 10%, got rid of a 3 billion contigency fund. How is this good economic policy? How is this being fiscally conservative? Harper is the biggest spending PM we have had in a long time.
We should have a law where each time an election is called an independant auditor comes in and looks at the books, and report back before the advance pools open, this way we cannot be hoodwinked again. Harper should also recall parliment ASAP so we can deal with the poor position he has put Canada in.


Mike disappointed the country voted Tory
said

For those keeping track,

Promise #1 broken


Michael (Ottawa)
said

@Nick in Gatineau:

I've always said "Liberals never met a program they didn't like..." which is why we have so much government bloat and bureaucracy. Now that may be fine living in Gatineau and working in Place Du Portage (govt complex) but the poor Canadians who have to pay through the eyeballs resent over taxation and waste in bureaucracy.

Nick said: "Cutting programs has never been the answer."

Well actually YES, cutting IS the answer. We the taxpayers don't want to keep sponsoring make work for the people who work for the government. Harper is on a 5 year program to evaluate each government program to ensure it isn't redundant or unneeded. EVEN JACK LAYTON said that was a great idea if you can imagine!!



BB in B.C.
said

Daily Chuckles.....

David in Toronto.....
Some people should REALLY learn to read the articles and not just the headlines. The deficit is only for the month of August and not for the year. The year will post a surplus. Now I know where the liberals/ndp get their voter base from.....Here! Here! I agree Dave.BB

Exiled Canadian.....
Read the ENTIRE article: They are still running a surplus for the year....Are we to assume they can read? It seems obvious they can't.BB

Robin the Hood.....
during the entire election Harper says no deficits and yet this proves he is nothing but a big liar knowing full well govt was already in deficit. proves how gullible Canadians are for voting for them. pathetic!.....No wonder Dion lost the election. He just doesn't get it.BB

Kris D....
Too bad the majority of Canadians realized this and voted for ABC but have been over ruled by a minority of citizens (65% ABC vs 37% CON)....and their math sucks too....BB







KRB
said

Nick in Gatineau, you still don't get it. Abes said that only 1 deficit of Mulroney's (of all his deficits) was higher than Trudeau's, and that was only in absolute dollars.

18 Billion to 55b deficit? Where do you get this stuff. It's ALL WRONG!

Look on the Bank of Canada's website for the historical Bank Rate. You are wrong again!

Chretien could not have slayed the deficit if he started at the same point that Mulroney started. That is a FACT! Mulroney brought the deficit down from 8.2% of GDP to just over 4%, before it spiked up to around 5% because of the 1991 recession. That was real progress, though you are blind to see it.

Mulroney also brought in the GST and Free Trade at enormous political cost (2 seats anyone?). Do you think Chretien would've ever brought in the GST if it wasn't already there? You're dreaming if you do!





jim
said

Looks like only a minority of the posters I read have a basic understanding of economics and the PR issued today.

Canada is well positioned to ride out the current storm over the next 12 to 24 months far better than the other G8 members.








my take on this
said

Jim, the good news is 37.6% of the people who voted will believe you but 62.4% who voted will never believe you.


James Eh!
said

Mr. Flaherty, still in denial.
The man who called a $6Billion deficit balanced!

But that was what he left Ontario. Take a look at the rest of the numbers for Canada YTD. Two deficit months, April and August. Small surpluses for the rest.
After the April deficit was announced, he called it a one off. Now we have a deficit in August of $1.7Billion. That leaves the current surplus to YTD at $1.2Billion. It won't take many Augusts to tip us over into a YTD deficit.

Is this guy incompetant or is he just trying to spin the situation to try and calm the markets? I'll go with the former.


Nick in Gatineau
said

I"m taking my information from the government's own Fiscal Monitor, Statscan and what the chartered banks offered. I also take it from Finance Canada's white papers (booklets really) and the Government Estimates, and finally, the actual budgets as passed by her Majesty, also known as Royal Assent. I do not care about the BoC because the chartered banks don't;and judging by the markets, neither do the investors.

Where do you get yours?

A deficit is when you spend more than you take in. Trudeau spent 18 Billion a year more when he left - for the last time. Mulroney was spending 55 billion when he left.

I love how everyone says Mulroney did great things except once the actual numbers are outlined: '..oh no, he did not do that.' HE DID. Hell Parizeau did greater things than Mulroney.

Do you not remember Michael Wilson's budget where he announced the 55 Billion mark. I do. I was at his news conference. I was there when they brought in the GST, Charlottetown, Meech Lake. Hell I remember riding down an elevator with Mazankowski who was just so thrilled that the media weren't tearing off their heads.

How many govt dept.s and agencies did Mulroney create that were useless ? What, around 5 at Agriculture, 4 more at Natural Resources ? What about the others ?

GST brought in less than the previous Manufacturers tax. Prices remained high because the private sector did not know how to count the old manufacturers tax So they absorbed it. Why do you think they had to add services, products, and goods to the list every 3 to 6 months ? To try to recoup the losses. It was a bad tax given the times. Even at 10%, its better than the old manufacturers.


Nick in Gatineau
said

To Michael (Ottawa)

Every Government performs the exercise to see which programs is to be cut or expanded. Its part of the of the Estimates process. The exercise is to provide resources to those (actual dept. - do not confuse with actual Canadian Taxpayers)who need it rather than those who don't.

That's why it takes anywhere from 6 months to 2 years to be approved. For Harper to take a 5-year plan is called an election (unless the process has been stretched due to the Minority govt ); its a 100 % hands-off, totally Republican-style way of doing things. Believe whatever the dept. tells you. Extremely dangerous for a politician to do.

BTW Cutting programs means cutting jobs, means cutting tax revenues, means increasing EI payouts, Increasing welfare, means bad news on the balance sheet and the unemployment rate. It also means cutting jobs in the private sector that were affiliated with those programs.

It also means making your borders leaner, letting drug traffickers in. The Conservative response has been... Give 'em guns !

And no, I don't work for government. I do not like unions.

I would like to see people work for the welfare they get. I would also like to see low-rent housing go to people who deserve it rather than someone who makes 50 K a year get it because he or she knows someone !

I would also like to see the governments crack down on Tax cheaters who lie on their tax-returns to avoid taxes, conflict of interest (signing authorities), etc... I would like to see more inter-agency verification cross-referencing which at the moment is illegal unless the governors in council issue warrants (they never do). I 'd like to see cross-referencing between Federal and Provincial electoral authorities when investigating political parties.


Stephen b
said

To to Harper my family and I got a great tax refund last spring. Thank you Mr. Harper. The tax money belongs to the people.

Bring on more tax cuts.


BB in B.C.
said

Mulroney paid back all the Fedral Sales Tax to Canadian businesses. My little business got $30,000 but then we had to start collecting GST on everything including labour. Chretien was able to have surplus because once the GST got rolling it was a massive tax grab for Ottawa. Mulrony came up short because he issued the checks for the FST. Those checks were to help us fit that tax in our rectums. Then I voted Liberal because Chretien said " VOTE FOR ME NO GST ".


Canada's relatively secure position in meltdown
said

has nothing to do with Harper.

If Harper and his Reform gang had been in majority government for the last two years, Canada's financial institutions would have been deregulated into the same mess as the USA.

Shake loose from your stupid worship of the C-label.





Michael (Ottawa)
said

@ Nick in Gatineau

On the subject of govt programs. Are you suggesting they should never cut programs? I doubt you you're that naive so when and how would you go about killing outdated government programs? Yes people get fired and laid off we have UI for that and a private sectors to pick up the slack. I don't believe the government owes anybody a living. They are free to work elsewhere is the department program is terminated.




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