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Date: Fri. Oct. 24 2008 8:49 PM ET
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty says he's confident the federal government will report a modest surplus this fiscal year even though Ottawa posted a $1.7-billion deficit in August.
Flaherty released his Fiscal Monitor report Friday showing the August deficit, which grew from a deficit of $0.1 billion in August 2007.
"For the first five months of the 2008-09 fiscal year, the budgetary surplus is estimated at $1.2 billion, down $5.5 billion from the $6.6-billion surplus reported in the same period of 2007-08," said the report.
The deficit in August was linked to a 10.1 per cent spending surge in transfers to provinces and individuals and in departmental costs.
"Spending does not tend to be even during the year federally and revenues don't come in even during the year," Flaherty said during a press conference Friday in Niagara Falls, Ont.
"I'm comfortable with the fact that we will have a modest surplus this fiscal year."
Flaherty said he'll have a better idea next month, when he releases his fall economic update, about whether the country could face deficits in the future.
He said Canada's economy is fairing relatively well with unemployment at near historic lows.
"The World Economic Forum assessed Canada's economic performance to be the most sound in the world," Flaherty said.
"Likewise, the International Monetary Fund concluded that Canada's financial system is unique, sophisticated and well-managed and able to withstand sizable shocks. This is made-in-Canada stability."
Still, he acknowledged that some businesses are facing tough times and many families are worried about their employment and savings.
Don Drummond of TD Bank told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live on Friday that the current economic crisis will hit Canadians like people in other nations, by affecting the price of available credit from banks.
"Our banks have been afflicted by the world difficulty, again not quite the same extent, but that means our economy will be afflicted by worldwide difficulties as well," Drummond said.
In an interview with CTV Newsnet Friday, Liberal House Leader Ralph Goodale said the August deficit is a classic case of "Conservative bad management."
He said Flaherty and Prime Minister Stephen Harper chose not to be prudent by increasing government spending to an "all-time record high without any Canadian on the street being able to tell you one or two tangible things they got from all of that spending."
Goodale also blamed the Tories for eroding the tax base without increasing disposable incomes or improving Canadian productivity.
"Most seriously, they've eliminated all of the shock absorbers, all the prudence factors, all the contingency reserves and the planning process that used to be built in to the federal budget to make sure that when these nasty international surprises come along we have the wherewithal to defend ourselves against them," he said.
Liberal finance critic John McCallum told Mike Duffy Live on Friday that Flaherty was partly to blame for the difficult choices he is now faced with by cooking up an economic "toxic soup."
"They ratcheted up spending by 33-billion dollars per year since they came to office (and) they abolished the three billion dollar contingency reserve which was our insurance policy against going back into deficit," McCallum said.
"In June of 2006, Mr. Jim Flaherty permitted, for the first time in our history, a 40-year mortgage with zero down payment, just what caused the problems in the United States."
Flaherty has said Ottawa is taking a second look at its spending commitments to determine whether they are still affordable, given the current economic slowdown.
"The Conservatives admit their spending has gone up a little more than they would like and they have over the last couple of years introduced a lot of income tax cuts that are reducing their revenue," CTV's Roger Smith said Friday from Ottawa.
"Mr. Flaherty, assuming he will be kept in his job when the new cabinet is sworn in next week, will have to be looking at their programs and any tinkering he might have to do before next February's budget."
In last February's budget, Flaherty predicted Ottawa would record a $2.3 billion surplus in 2008, followed by a $1.3 billion surplus next year.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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Mark M
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Hoss
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Harper says "Balance the budget, lower taxes, and maintain the course"
Here is the course he will be maintaining
Amazing how many canadian have voted for this Guy
John from Fredericton
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Vahan
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Justin Redcliff
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The Liberals are proven to be better with the economy.
Too bad Canada.
Cal in Ottawa
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Chris
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golf chick
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Liberals only know how to spend money and raise taxes.
Elizabeth
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James in North Vancouver
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Well thats the first promise broken and I'm sure more is to come.
Kevin D
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Dan
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Jack Layton would have bankrupted us.
EdmBoy
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If anyone's interested, the classifieds are still chalked full of job's in Alberta. Things aren't like they were a year ago - but I don't think many people want to go back to a time 30 minute line ups at fast food restaurants, hotel room shortages, housing shortages, worker shortages, and ridiculous housing prices (except realtors). My wife and I are doing reno's on a house we just moved into, and I can tell the construction market is still fairly busy, as it is a month and a half to get a good painter, and the tile contractor is booking into February.
Things aren't all that bad right now!
Dallas From AB
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Jack Layton and his 18 billion spending plan would not work in the current economic situation.
Canadians don't want any higher taxes! so the small deficit is fine, as the surplus will increase when the economy gets back on track, and no matter what the NDP & Liberal supports think the government has not control over the economy
Marg
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Socialism is killing us
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Mojo
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Exiled Canadian
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In other words, they're still in the black and still have the strongest of all G7 economies despite the global crisis.
I'm convinced some people would have complained if they had run a deficit of merely $10.
Canada is fortunate to have a government who knows what it's doing. If they wind up with even a slight deficit at the end of fiscal 2008, it will still be radically better than what other countries are going through.
James
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So what exactly is the long term effect on Canadians if the government has a deficit in the short term.
We had these "surpluses" with the liberals and it didn't benefit Canadians at all. We saw health care, education and infrastructure eroded. EI and CPP premiums sore.
So with the doom and gloom reporting, how will I be adversely affected if the government has a deficit?
Paul R. Martin
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Sounds like what Flaherty did to Ontario
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What do you think that means will happen at the next update in January? Guess the Conservatives were successful again in fooling a minority of Canadians.
Get real....
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Esther
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Den from Montreal
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Accountability? What accountability?
If people knew what their "representatives" in gov't were really up to, we'd have even lower voter turnout.
What a joke it all is. It's only a shame that it's at our expense.
Ken - Calgary
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David in Toronto
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Jim
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JamesR
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We are in the worse global financial meltdown whose magnitude has not been met since the great depression. I challenge anyone to look at the books at all major western industrialized nations and see if there balance sheet compares as well as ours.
Running a deficit is not a sin, but often a necessity during times of economic slumps. I am not saying that the conservatives have been perfect when it comes to spending priorities (indeed they should be chastised when rebuke is due), but I am saying that governments should not be fearful of responsibly using the power of fiscal policy to help the long term prosperity of our nation.
Bottom line, deficits are okay during bad times, and rightfully should be considered irreprehensible during boom times. Just so happens we are, along with the rest of the world, not in boom times anymore.
David in Ontario
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"For the first five months of the 2008-09 fiscal year, the budgetary surplus is estimated at $1.2 billion" We are still taking in more this year than we are putting out. If Dion were in power, sure, there would be more of a surplus, but at what expense? HUGE taxation, that's how.
As well, I find it rather ironic that the Liberal Party of Canada is credited with the surpluses of the 1990s. They basically followed the Mulroney Plan (Martin was a rather good finance minister), but it took both Mulroney and Chretien to stop the bleeding started by PET back in the 1970s with all that social engineering. We still owe huge amounts of money, but at least we're still not spiralling.
Remember, a big surplus means we are way over taxed. A modest surplus means that we are on the right track.
Michael Buckley
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Chris Ont
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KC
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It's what happens when you can't control yourself from spending other peoples money - typical neo-con accountingl
PJR
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Political Junkie
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"The deficit posted in August shrinks the accumulated surplus so far this fiscal year."
Meaning the fiscal year end is still projected to be in surplus. Only difference is now the surplus will be a little less. Also keep in mind the 4.5 billion made from selling bandwidth to the wireless communications companies. This hasn't been factored into the budget yet.
Think people
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Also, do all the people bashing the conservative realize that a huge chunk of the spending is the residuals from the liberal budgets passed. Remember how they say 4 billion over 10 years.
Oscar
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It’s all Harper's fault?... he must be the devil himself, the reason for the WORLD's economic problems!
Give me a break, every country in the world is being affected by this, the PM has nothing to do with it and is doing a good job keeping us out of the worst of it. Anyone who thinks different is sadly misinformed.
If Dion had won, we would be in the same situation AND have a leader that others around the world snicker behind his back.
All those out there whining about the deficit would do the same if their valuable social programs were cut by the Tories as well, so for the majority of the naysayers out there this is a loose loose situation anyways.
Danny Dinosaur
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As voters, we need to quit allowing it.
Demand performance from the Government instead of childish games.
In regards to the immediate issue of a deficit, we should have figured it out. Unfortunately, our voter stupidity allowed a government to lie to us - again.
Keep up the fighting and they will bring us more lies. You can count on it.
DR
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Mark - Vegreville, AB
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This year is the first time I can recall a month by month update whether we have run a surplus or deficit, so how am I to tell if this is just media sensationalism or something to worry about?
Bernadette, Windsor/Ontario
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Rebecca
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Bruce
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This is capitalism. People put too much blame on the government when it craps out and gives it too much credit when it booms.
RRO
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I was confused that it was not mentioned in this article that the Government paid off 40 billion in debt last year and is on track to do so again.
I for one don't need to see 20 billion dollar surpluses that would disappear into Liberal hands. In the current state of the world economy small deficits wouldn't even be that bad. What is most important is that you don't squeeze tax payers at a time when they are suffering.
RRO
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Chretien now gets credit for 13 years of economic growth. But the two things that let him do that where GST which gave him a massive new source of income that should have been used to pay the debt and NAFTA which produced unbelievable amounts of new revenue.
Mulroney took all the heat for those two policies while Chretien reaped the rewards, while promising year after year to eliminate GST.
Harper comes to office and drops GST by 2% as promised. One month with a deficit does not mean at the end of the year we will have a deficit, it means one month.
Hozer in Sask.
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get ride of the special interest groups that always get their way when they go crying to the media that they need monies Get out and work for it as any proud CANADIAN would do.
Quit begging
Shannon
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But if Mr. Harper and Mr. Flaherty want to retain the confidence of the Canadian people, they had better do almost anything to avoid the word "deficit". That would give the Liberal Party months worth of ammunition.
Nick in Gatineau
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Since then, he squandered most of the surplus, failed to listen to the futurist economist - which were 100 % correct.
Now mind you its not Harper's fault we are in a recession but keep in mind that in the past the government used 22 indices to justify an actual recession. Now they use 5. The very accumulation of those 5 can take up to 6 times longer than identifying the 22 seperately. All of them are monitored daily and the PM is informed daily of any large drop of the markets (300 pts +).
The fact that our Government hides things from us, and I am sure they will lay blame on the FAA (Financial administrations act), is a telling sign that once again we are in times where Government cannot be trusted.
One last thing...
Trudeau brought deficit to 18 Billion, Debt to 198 or 211 (depends who you talk to) and interest rates to 12 %, Mulroney brought deficit to 55 Billion and debt to 635-655 Billion(depends who you talk to) and interest rates to almost 24 %. Chretien's deficit was 0, and he lowered the debt.
No offence but the good times we just enjoyed were Liberal ones. It seems like all the bad ones are conservative...
Paul in BC
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Alberta Conservative
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Rick
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Oh, and by the way, Ontario now has a deficit 1/3 the size of the (August) Federal Governments, and it's only one province.
I wonder who's in charge in Ontario?
javid radfar
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marg
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RAV
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sasha
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Gail (Hamilton)
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Jeff in Saint John, NB
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Exiled Canadian
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The reason why it wasn't released before the election is because the numbers weren't all in yet. If they would have been available, the opposition parties would have screamed to have them released immediately. They know when these numbers get released.
Read the ENTIRE article: They are still running a surplus for the year.
Canada still has the strongest banks in the world. It is still the strongest of the G7 economies. There was no bank bailout like other countries have done; it was $25B of mortgages bought through the CMHC. All of the mortgages involved are high-quality assets that are already guaranteed through government-backed mortgage insurance. They're not loans in danger of defaulting.
You need to read people...Sheesh.
Nareg
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Rich in Montreal
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Trudeau ran up deficits. Mulrohney imposed the GST to get rid of the deficits. Chretien (and Martin) did a good job of balancing the books (sponsorship aside).
Harper gave it back to the people and at the same time ran up a deficits.
Next, a Liberal government will imposed a tax. And we'll have to wait two mandates before a Conservative gouv. balances the books once again.
Is it me or have the Liberals and Conservative switch sides?
Johnson Mapple
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Scott ONT
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I am not partisan at all, I had a great respect for the Liberals when Chretien first took office. He did a good job but towards the end, the liberals started slipping and haven't found the leadership to bring them back. Harper is a great choice and the conservative platform is great for Canada as a whole.
I get so tired of listening to the " doom and gloom " approach of some of the lib supporters out there. Your party lost, get over it. Harper is doing a great job. There's a reason we're the country that the best poised to deal with the current crisis affecting the "GLOBE". And it's Stephen Harper.
lucky in AB
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JR - Ontario
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Good news for Canada I think the Conservatives will deal with it better than the Liberals could of seeing as for now they are very disfunctional and distracted by their leadership question.
In the end I think the Conservatives will handle this rationally and prudently, you don't want both government and the markets in chaos at the same time!
abes
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You are factually incorrect. First, the Cons have not squandered a surplus, they gave ME MY MONEY back, and paid off debt. A government running excessive surplus' is doing it's job as poorly as one running massive deficits.
2nd, Mulroney ran a deficit higher than PET only once, and all were greatly lower if indexed to inflation.
Finally, the 24% interest rates happened well before Mulroney took power in 1984. 1981 IIRC.
Oshawa Paul
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Robin the Hood
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Tom in Toronto
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miel0015
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Actually it was the PM boasting that they were in a surplus and not a recession when campaigning. Guess what? It was neither a recession (yet if there will be) nor a surplus!!!.
KRB
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Trudeau’s last deficit was $38 billion (8.2% of GDP), the highest EVER deficit in peacetime Canada. That would be equivalent to a $123 Billion deficit today! Plus we had an operating deficit then (i.e. a deficit before debt servicing charges). Mulroney’s highest deficit was $43 billion, but that was lower as a %-of-GDP (5.1% vs. 8.2%) than Trudeau’s. The high interest rates you talk about happened in 1981 under Trudeau! Get your facts right!
I’m sorry, but anyone (even the Liberals) can manage a hot economy. That’s the easy part. It’s managing a downturn that you see who’s got the goods and who doesn’t. Give me Harper over any of the others (even Martin circa 1995) anytime!
Paul in Wpg
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No Gov't (Liberal or Conervative) can insulate the Canadian economy from the global financial crisis
TVic
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Johnny from Incheon
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Liberal supporters must be blind if they don't see that. Harper is nearing a deficit because he tried to give some of that money back.
I voted by the way!
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al from calgary
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Since all the conservatives do is SPEND SPEND SPEND and the liberals run massive surpluses, just exactly where is all the surplus money
Chris
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If you are to put out stats like that for me to believe, please reveal your resource. I want to check those numbers myself!!!
One month of deficit for a year end surplus... sounds like a good trade to me. Remember people:
IN ORDER TO MAKE AN OMLETTE, YOU MUST BREAK A FEW EGGS!!!
Rob (Calgary)
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Also, Canada is a part of a global economy. Canada is not an island, so if the world goes into recession we will as well. Hate to break it to you but Harper is not to blame for this. We are lucky to have him calm leadership right now.
Jeff
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That said, reducing taxes may be contributing to the deficit problem, just as it has in the States- except there they borrowed from the Chinese rather than tax the rich, leaving it up to the middle class to pay back the loan, a neat way of transferring money from middle to upper classes.
So this raises the question: what will the Conservatives do here? Will we find ourselves slowly slipping back into the red, and borrowing money from other nations (if they have any) to meet our basic costs?
Or will we reduce our social services and blame it on the recession, while continuing to offer the rich their tax breaks?
In other words, will the poor bear the brunt of the recession caused by Republican free market ideology, and by Torry tax cuts?
Watch for them to sell this on the dubious argument that giving the rich more money will stimulate the economy and bring us out of the recession. Remember Reagan's "trickle down" economics?
It didn't work then either.
Captialism is killing us
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Ontario Liberal without Flaherty as Finance Minister run an deficit of 500million in time that everybody considered as worst time of our history for market.
Flaherty as Fiance Minister with Harris Tory government in time which considered as good time and they hide deficit of $15 BILLION. Huge difference and I guess that is one of good example of Liberal being good at managing ecomony.
This man is an crook and I can't believe he got elected -it is no wonders since I've visited Whitby... What a redneck town that don't allow any Tim Horton in city because Mayor happened to like Country Coffee......
This man touting captialism then maybe he should allowed one in his own riding.
GC
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As one poster put it "If Dion was in charge, this wouldn't have happened"
This statement requires no additional comment.
Trent
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Surplus = overtaxed.
Deficits force governments to be more efficient by firing some of the dead weight that works in goverment.
Jean-Luc from Toronto
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No wonder why citizens don't trust our political leaders? It is unfortunate bad we do not have a recall process.
I believe that Mr. Harper deliberatly mislead the electorate. If he was an honourable man he would fallow Stephane Dion's lead and resign.
Chad
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thomas
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a non conservative albertain!
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liberal from montreal
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Conservatives = deficits. we knew this before, and this is what we are getting now
Lucky_Eddie
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Sask Man
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I still would rather have the tax breaks that the Conservatives gave us than the huge surplus that would have been compained and promised into the red with the Liberals.
This is why Dion needed the new tax (Green Shift) so he could load the cofers on the backs of western oil, and Canadians everywhere. He wanted this money to reload the Liberal promise machine.
Well we didn't fall for that.
Thank God
Kevin in Toronto
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Even if you use the fudged Liberal numbers, it was 5 Billion.
Though the Liberal's manufactured a deficit by canceling the budgeted sale of provincial assets in order to introduce their Health Premium which they still kept in effect; after boasting a 3 Billion dollar surplus 3 years later.
A. Bica
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Want a surplus . . . give me the pen!
Brandon E
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CC
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Nick in Gatineau
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Then your deputy minister tells you that for the last 10 years your predecessors have been accumulating surplus to cover for the upcoming drop in revenues.
As Finance Minister, do you spend that accumulated surplus on tax breaks that don't work and military campaigns, in a 2 year period - prior to the onslaught of the drop of revenue (Conservative way) ?
OR
Do you keep the surplus to cover for the upcoming losses and accumulate more surpluses to cover for it and to pay for initiatives rather than tax cuts that don't work (Liberal way) ?
Well guess which one Flaherty chose ?
Did the economy fair better ? Did prices go down ? Did government coffers increase ? Did Harper not become an apostle of the 'Government should be run like a business' theory ?
He is no better than all those folks who got mortgages they could not afford - you know, the ones who caused this whole mess in the first place by having a foreclosure sign nailed to their front door. Once again, Canada is shopping around for a mortgage it can't afford. And once again, it is under the guidance of a conservative finance minister.
Mykey, The Lakehead
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As for the poster who says there are no Tim Hortons in Whitby how about the one next to the Royal Motel.
Rob (Calgary)
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Tax breaks for large coporations create jobs for citizens. When more people have jobs that creates a larger tax base for the government.
Increased taxation on corporations leads them to take their business elsewhere so they can compete in the global economy. Meaning less tax revenue for the government and less jobs for canadians.
You do the math.
Kris D
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Reduce revenues to the point where in order to avoid a deficit, they will cut social programs (medicare, education transfers, etc.)
Too bad the majority of Canadians realized this and voted for ABC but have been over ruled by a minority of citizens (65% ABC vs 37% CON)
Unite the left. Now.
RVH
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MikeinRegina
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KRB
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Glenn in T.O.
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Say what you want about the Liberals because they have plenty of flaws but one thing is for sure. They did a very good job of managing the budget and the economy.
Amar Hussein
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Kevin
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The government will have to run a deficit.
Mark M
"Not unexpected. I still prefer to see a minor deficit in hard times than a 20 billion "surprise" surplus that just means we are overtaxed. We're still in good shape."
we have debt and we pay interest on the debt and a magic fairy doesn't make our debt disappear, tax payers do.
Hanley
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Nick in Gatineau
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How can you say Mulroney ran only 1 deficit when the day he got in , he was already running one !? He made it grow !!! Mind boggling when you go from 18 Billion to 55 Billion deficit. But he only ran 1 surplus ? How did he do that ?
Oh, as for the 24%, 1991 saw 1 bank announcing that rate for a 3 week period. Most were running it at 18 to 21. And were expected to hike them to 25 % at one point.
Some of my neighbours were renewing in December 1992 and were almost forced to accept 21 % rates. They chose to wait. Don't remember the type of mortgage they were aiming for. I'll have to ask them.
BTW, the period of 1991 to 1993 saw bankrupcies go from 50 thousand a year to over 100 thousand a year due to foreclosures. One of the indeces for a recession might I add.
Then...'THE GREATEST MOMENT IN CANADIAN POLITICAL HISTORY' happened: Mulroney resigned.
The rates dropped substantially. That says something ...
The payment on debt was happening way before Harper got into power.
So conservatives save in their personal lives but not their public ones ? Fiscally responsible at home but not at work ?
Having no surplus is equivalent to implosion. At some point you have to realize that the programs you run were because Canadians wanted them. Regardless of their political beliefs, Cabinet has to represent all Canadians, not only the conservative ones and not only the liberal ones. Cutting programs has never been the answer. Its time they represent EVERYONE.
RAV
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R D
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Chris
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Harper is and has been on the right track.
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It's unfortunate Liberals and their supporters are so damn partisan that they can't bring themselves to accept the truth that we are in pretty good shape comparatively speaking to the rest of the world. Independent reports all atest to that fact but Liberals either are too proud to acknowledge that or they cant read the numbers and figure it out.
All I can say is I'm glad Harper is running the show than that absent minded Quebec professor who would be taxing us to death now instead of providing the economy with stimulus as Harper has been doing.
Doug BC
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As a former Liberal who now votes Conservative, I can honestly say I have no regrets whatsoever.While it is fair to debate how we spend discretionary dollars in every budget,the one huge plank missing from the Liberal platform is a commitment to lower taxes and pay down debt.Just tax and spend.Then tax some more and spend some more.I think they oppose tax cuts now because,if they get elected they will have fewer dollars to waste when,or if they regain office.
As to predicting what is ahead in this turbulent economic time,I think ANYONE who says they KNOW what is going to happen is either foolish or stupid.
All that we can really hope is that all levels of government are aware of the risks and uncertainty,and do everything they can to mitigate the damage to Canadians and the future of our economy.
For me,at this time,I am a lot happier to have a government that is commited to lower taxes and paying down past debt,as opposed to one that likes higher taxes and is not troubled by increasing our accumulated debt.
If government has no plan to even attempt to bail us out of debt,or to reduce our taxes,there is a guarantee it will never happen.If they do have such plans,though there is no guarantee,there is at least a chance.
No more socialists need apply for my vote any time soon.
Dave in Toronto
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reduced their capacity to generate income, increased government spending by 10%, got rid of a 3 billion contigency fund. How is this good economic policy? How is this being fiscally conservative? Harper is the biggest spending PM we have had in a long time.
We should have a law where each time an election is called an independant auditor comes in and looks at the books, and report back before the advance pools open, this way we cannot be hoodwinked again. Harper should also recall parliment ASAP so we can deal with the poor position he has put Canada in.
Mike disappointed the country voted Tory
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Promise #1 broken
Michael (Ottawa)
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I've always said "Liberals never met a program they didn't like..." which is why we have so much government bloat and bureaucracy. Now that may be fine living in Gatineau and working in Place Du Portage (govt complex) but the poor Canadians who have to pay through the eyeballs resent over taxation and waste in bureaucracy.
Nick said: "Cutting programs has never been the answer."
Well actually YES, cutting IS the answer. We the taxpayers don't want to keep sponsoring make work for the people who work for the government. Harper is on a 5 year program to evaluate each government program to ensure it isn't redundant or unneeded. EVEN JACK LAYTON said that was a great idea if you can imagine!!
BB in B.C.
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David in Toronto.....
Some people should REALLY learn to read the articles and not just the headlines. The deficit is only for the month of August and not for the year. The year will post a surplus. Now I know where the liberals/ndp get their voter base from.....Here! Here! I agree Dave.BB
Exiled Canadian.....
Read the ENTIRE article: They are still running a surplus for the year....Are we to assume they can read? It seems obvious they can't.BB
Robin the Hood.....
during the entire election Harper says no deficits and yet this proves he is nothing but a big liar knowing full well govt was already in deficit. proves how gullible Canadians are for voting for them. pathetic!.....No wonder Dion lost the election. He just doesn't get it.BB
Kris D....
Too bad the majority of Canadians realized this and voted for ABC but have been over ruled by a minority of citizens (65% ABC vs 37% CON)....and their math sucks too....BB
KRB
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18 Billion to 55b deficit? Where do you get this stuff. It's ALL WRONG!
Look on the Bank of Canada's website for the historical Bank Rate. You are wrong again!
Chretien could not have slayed the deficit if he started at the same point that Mulroney started. That is a FACT! Mulroney brought the deficit down from 8.2% of GDP to just over 4%, before it spiked up to around 5% because of the 1991 recession. That was real progress, though you are blind to see it.
Mulroney also brought in the GST and Free Trade at enormous political cost (2 seats anyone?). Do you think Chretien would've ever brought in the GST if it wasn't already there? You're dreaming if you do!
jim
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Canada is well positioned to ride out the current storm over the next 12 to 24 months far better than the other G8 members.
my take on this
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James Eh!
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The man who called a $6Billion deficit balanced!
But that was what he left Ontario. Take a look at the rest of the numbers for Canada YTD. Two deficit months, April and August. Small surpluses for the rest.
After the April deficit was announced, he called it a one off. Now we have a deficit in August of $1.7Billion. That leaves the current surplus to YTD at $1.2Billion. It won't take many Augusts to tip us over into a YTD deficit.
Is this guy incompetant or is he just trying to spin the situation to try and calm the markets? I'll go with the former.
Nick in Gatineau
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Where do you get yours?
A deficit is when you spend more than you take in. Trudeau spent 18 Billion a year more when he left - for the last time. Mulroney was spending 55 billion when he left.
I love how everyone says Mulroney did great things except once the actual numbers are outlined: '..oh no, he did not do that.' HE DID. Hell Parizeau did greater things than Mulroney.
Do you not remember Michael Wilson's budget where he announced the 55 Billion mark. I do. I was at his news conference. I was there when they brought in the GST, Charlottetown, Meech Lake. Hell I remember riding down an elevator with Mazankowski who was just so thrilled that the media weren't tearing off their heads.
How many govt dept.s and agencies did Mulroney create that were useless ? What, around 5 at Agriculture, 4 more at Natural Resources ? What about the others ?
GST brought in less than the previous Manufacturers tax. Prices remained high because the private sector did not know how to count the old manufacturers tax So they absorbed it. Why do you think they had to add services, products, and goods to the list every 3 to 6 months ? To try to recoup the losses. It was a bad tax given the times. Even at 10%, its better than the old manufacturers.
Nick in Gatineau
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Every Government performs the exercise to see which programs is to be cut or expanded. Its part of the of the Estimates process. The exercise is to provide resources to those (actual dept. - do not confuse with actual Canadian Taxpayers)who need it rather than those who don't.
That's why it takes anywhere from 6 months to 2 years to be approved. For Harper to take a 5-year plan is called an election (unless the process has been stretched due to the Minority govt ); its a 100 % hands-off, totally Republican-style way of doing things. Believe whatever the dept. tells you. Extremely dangerous for a politician to do.
BTW Cutting programs means cutting jobs, means cutting tax revenues, means increasing EI payouts, Increasing welfare, means bad news on the balance sheet and the unemployment rate. It also means cutting jobs in the private sector that were affiliated with those programs.
It also means making your borders leaner, letting drug traffickers in. The Conservative response has been... Give 'em guns !
And no, I don't work for government. I do not like unions.
I would like to see people work for the welfare they get. I would also like to see low-rent housing go to people who deserve it rather than someone who makes 50 K a year get it because he or she knows someone !
I would also like to see the governments crack down on Tax cheaters who lie on their tax-returns to avoid taxes, conflict of interest (signing authorities), etc... I would like to see more inter-agency verification cross-referencing which at the moment is illegal unless the governors in council issue warrants (they never do). I 'd like to see cross-referencing between Federal and Provincial electoral authorities when investigating political parties.
Stephen b
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Bring on more tax cuts.
BB in B.C.
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Canada's relatively secure position in meltdown
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If Harper and his Reform gang had been in majority government for the last two years, Canada's financial institutions would have been deregulated into the same mess as the USA.
Shake loose from your stupid worship of the C-label.
Michael (Ottawa)
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On the subject of govt programs. Are you suggesting they should never cut programs? I doubt you you're that naive so when and how would you go about killing outdated government programs? Yes people get fired and laid off we have UI for that and a private sectors to pick up the slack. I don't believe the government owes anybody a living. They are free to work elsewhere is the department program is terminated.