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Date: Thu. Oct. 23 2008 8:18 PM ET

The Bank of Canada predicts we will avoid a recession -- but just barely -- and says growth will be slow and insignificant for the foreseeable future.

In its October Monetary Policy Report, the central bank said the global economic slowdown is having a sharp impact on Canada's economy.

"We're going to have sluggish growth for the next few quarters. I think that's the best description of it," Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney told reporters on Thursday.

The report predicts a period of slow growth in the first quarter of next year with improved gains in 2009 and 2010.

Overall, the central bank projected average annual growth in real GDP of 0.6 per cent in both 2008 and 2009, and 3.4 per cent in 2010.

But Carney declined to use the word "recession." And unlike the U.S., he said, Canada's economy has not met the criteria to be described as such -- two successive quarters of negative growth -- and is not predicted to do so in the near future.

Later on CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live, Carney stressed it was "extremely important" that Canadians understand the problems with the global economy originated beyond our borders.

"And the main solutions are going to be found outside of Canada as well - in the U.S., in Europe, in the U.K., principally," he said

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty summarized the bank's assessment as "near the line" of a recession.

'Plan of action'

Carney said the "good news" for Canada is that, over the course of the last two weeks since he and Flaherty attended the G7 meeting in Washington, there is a "plan of action that has been put in place; and there's real action that is taking place to address those problems outside of Canada."

He said included among the plans were "very large" public capital injections to banks in the U.S., Europe and the U.K. in order to bring their ratios -- the amount of cash the banks must have for every dollar they lend out -- up to Canadian levels.

The new report focuses on Canada's economic situation as related to its inflation-control strategy.

It points to the following three factors as having an impact on the Canadian economy and bringing it close to -- but not into -- recession:

The global financial crisis has strained financial markets. As a result, banks will need to reduce leverage, leading to restrained growth.

The global economy appears to be moving into a recession, led by the U.S. which is already in a recession.

Falling commodity prices

However, Carney said Canada's system is "sound" and its financial institutions are "well capitalized" and the economy has an assets-to-equity ratio that is among the best in the G7.

"That's why you're seeing hundreds of billions of dollars being put into the global banking system -- to get global banks to the levels Canadian banks are today," he said.

He said steps taken by the Bank of Canada, such as the reduced key interest rate, the government's actions and the reduced value of the loonie, which boosts the Canadian export market, have all helped protect the economy.

"We anticipated much of this -- not all of this, it certainly has gone further than we expected, which is why we acted aggressively earlier this year, why we acted aggressively over the course of the last two weeks," Carney said.

He added on Mike Duffy Live that, compared with the U.S., household balance sheets in Canada are in "good shape," as are corporate and government balance sheets.

On Tuesday, the Bank of Canada lowered its key interest rate by 25 basis points. On Oct. 8, less than two weeks earlier, the rate was lowered by 50 basis points, a move that was co-ordinated with other major central banks.

"That stimulus - because our financial system is working well - is going to flow through to the economy," Carney told Mike Duffy Live.

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FreakAlert
said

Just more projections coming out of the BoC. In reality I think they have no clue, and we're in no-mans land.

With the the subprime meltdown effecting us, the derivatives meltdown is gonna swallow us whole many times over.

Watch and see.


adrian
said

I am very upset the fact that taxpayers are paying to keep the banks a float...but when the interest gets cut practically nothing is being passed on to consumers. We are the one helping the banks but they keep on killing us with not droping their interest rate. Its greed. Banks keep getting interests reduced while we watch and pay higher interested. You can no longer get rates at prime 99% of the time. Its a 2 edge sword I know ...we need backs and loans for economy to survive but its just said its the average person paying out more money.


EdmBoy
said

FreakAlert

I'm glad you're not an economist. But you would sure make a good reporter in the media. The media loves to paly up the economy story and make it sound much worse than it really is.


Cambob
said

RBC, CIBC, etc were posting multiillion dollar PROFITS over the last decade. We hit a slump for 1 year and suddenly we have to bail them out to the tune of Hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars? My math is good enough to tell me something is seriously wrong with this "mess".


Simon Shaw
said

I may as well go to the fortune teller around the corner and ask her to tell me when the economy will rebound. If the BoC couldn't predict the subprime mortgage meltdown and the global implications it would have, then how do they know that we will be ok in 2010? It sounds to me like if they talk positive then positive thing will happen. It sounds like a good plan except we are Canadian. We are a highly educated group that know a thing or two.

The BoC can say what they want, but only time will tell. There are too many what ifs on the horizon to make any predictions. I have Allan Greenspan talking about Global Financial Tsunamis and the BoC saying mild recession that will be over in 2010.

If things get worse will they just add a year or two and say there were some unexpected , unforseeable incidents that came into play. Anyway, I think there positive message could be a calming influence that will encourage Canadians to keep spending, thereby pushing the national economy along or it could cause us to spend while we should be saving. No one knows.


Kevin from Fredericton
said

Isn't it interesting. I have a mortgage that has a variable rate. Before the prime rate cut I was paying 4%. After the rate cut - 4%. Am I missing something here?


Moe-Edmonton
said

Everyone just take a deep breath and chill out. Consumer confidence is huge in this matter and if everyone panics.....then you get what you wish for. Man, I wish I had a chunk of cash right now, I would buy great stocks at low prices and watch it grow when everything turns around. Which it will and always does.


James
said

I beleive Mr Carney is being disingenious to Canadians when he gave this report. He did not speak to the fact that Canada is and continues to be hit hard by the slow down in the world economy. The countries that buy our raw resources and our few manufactured goods are cutting back. If the US, China and other countires do not buy our goods, our economy will falter. With the price oil falling, Alberta and Sask and Nfld will start closing down their oil fields and laying off workers. The Big Three automakers are closing Canadians plants. Major ports like Vancouver, Montreal and Halifax are already experiencing a significant slowdown in container traffic.

We are headed into a bad recession and Mr Carney and others of his ilk will not give Canadians the truth. We Can Handle the Truth!!


MuskyBuck
said

Actually Cambob the banks released just this past month that they had posted profits of 20 BILLION dollars.


Dayton
said

Now that would be a real setback for the Liberals if the governor's words are correct. If our dollar stays low, gas prices drop and we recoup the jobs in Ontario what reason other than the dislike for Harper would we want a change.


Robin the Hood
said

The banks stink... or should I say capitalism. As with any company they care nothing except for their bottom line as demanded by the markets which, esp. in an unregulated system, does not see beyond the next earnings report. Capitalism as we know is failing us, society and the environment. It's unsustainable but people refuse to accept that and such economic upheavals will increase and become more severe as a result. The message is staring us in the face now... EITHER WE CHANGE OR WE SINK... as the USA may well as a result of their stagnant right wing "head in the sand" ideology. Change is good... the status quo will lead us to ruin.



Scene
said

One thing I have noticed is the markets and the worlds finacial status are unpredictable. Things are not happening according to what we were thought in school or what we have seen in past history. I wish people would stop trying to predict the end and thinking they know when things are going to get better.

No one knows when this is going to stop, I don't know if anybody has noticed, but the market is out of whack and every day is an adventure, we are currently writing history as we know it with this big mess! So all you people who like to write on this board putting in your two cents on when the crisis is going to end, "give it up". If the BoC and the rest of the worlds top men can't do it you won't be able to either! All you can do is hope it ends sooner then later. Good luck!


John
said

Good grief "FreakAlert"! Lucky for you Pfizer and GSK stocks are down...now your antidepressants should be cheaper for you. Holy Debbie Downer. Stop fear mongering! It's words and attitudes like your's that's creating this vicious, sensationalist hype making this situation worse! What do you think happens to the economy when your words get to people? They become afraid to spend. What does that do? Makes people hoard their money. If the money doesn't move, nor does the economy. This makes the money...WORTHLESS! Ha, and know your money is too. You're words just devalued yourself.


CC-western Canada
said

adrian: The taxpayer IS NOT paying to keep the banks afloat. Please people, go and read things beofre ou spread lies and negative propaganda. Tere is more to the story than a headline. So frustrating to watch! THERE IS NOT A BAIL OUT IN CANADA!


Bob,Alberta,
said

Seems to me that "Robin the Hood" should call himself "Robin the Red". The USSR didn't work and Capitalism may not always work but it is the best system from a bad lot in spite of its weaknesses.


Goldee
said

I am interested to know where people are obtaining their information? I was not aware that we the taxpayers are responsible for any "Bailouts" of banks. The last time I checked I was living in Canada and not the United States.


Mr. Consumer from Ottawa
said

With the Canadian dollar dropping in value it is only a matter of time before retailers in this country will hike their prices attributing increases to the exchange rate. Last year at this same time I refused to pay Canadian prices for snow tires that were available in the USA at 40% less. I am not a bleeding heart Canadian waving my maple leaf and insisting that goods should be bought in Canada. Retailers in Canada need to learn a lesson and Canadian consumers should be more vigilant when making purchases. The days of cheap and easy credit will come to a close very soon.


oh puhleeeze
said

Bollocks Mr. Carney. Pure Bollocks.
What if the economy doesn't rebound in 2010? What would happen then? "we saw this coming but not all of it"? Please don't make this economy become like that of the US. Their economy is grounded purely on predictions. And guess what, they did not predict that they would go into war. They did not predict that they would be scrambling for $700 billion.
Be proactive.


Stop Complaining
said

For all you people complaining about the big banks why do you stay with them? There are all kinds of NO FEE options out there that pay good interested. I have not paid a bank fee in over 5 years now. If you want the banks to change then stop being their customers.

ING PC and others offer no fee banking low interest mortgages and High interest saving accounts.

But you people who complain just continue to give your money to them. It is a fact Canadians are not savy shoppers and companies know that. Thats why experts say we pay 5-10% more for goods here then we need to. Stop complaining and leave the bank you think is gouging you. There are options.


RRor
said

People just have to relax and realize that 15% returns isn't going to be the reality for the next few years. Your money will grow but you have to be patient.
I retire in two weeks and this downturn didn't figure into my retirement planning but if I have tighten my belt a bit for the next few years, so be it. Life ain't always fair but its fun.


Lauire in Moose Jaw SK
said

I am amazed at how some folks can take good news and turn it into "doom and gloom". The fact is Canada was very well prepared for this, thanks to the BOC and PM Harper. We have not used tax payers dollars to bail out the Canadian Banks; we bought very good mortgages to simply give the banks more cash to loan to Canadians at lower interest rates.
Did the US banks fail? Yes they did. Did the Canadian Banks fail? Absolutely not !! Fear mongering is a liberal and ndp tactic...grow up and admit that PM Harper prepared us very well for this global crisis. Listen to what is really going, and how much better off we are compared to the US and Europe in weathering this crisis.


jessBABYbrighton :) *
said

Carney said this..

"That's why you're seeing hundreds of billions of dollars being put into the global banking system -- to get global banks to the levels Canadian banks are today," he said.




AND IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF THIS




"We anticipated much of this -- not all of this, it certainly has gone further than we expected, which is why we acted aggressively earlier this year, why we acted aggressively over the course of the last two weeks," Carney said.


Also.
I 100% agree with "Adrian".
You're so right on.


MuskyBuck
said

Lauire in Moose Jaw,

The BOC just admitted today they couldn't see these recents events happening and couldn't be prepared for what is happening now.

'We have not used tax payers dollars to bail out the Canadian banks'....what did we use?

a) new type of money grown out of ground fertilized with politician BS?
b) Canadian Tire money?
c) personal cheque from Flaherty's account?
d) money derived from personal income tax.

I'll give you a hint on this one, it's the fourth letter of the alphabet.

'we didn't bail out the Canadian Banks;we bought very good mortages.'

You are kidding right? Sarcasm?

?



DC in AB
said

Not sure why Canadians incessantly think the taxpayer is bailing out the banks. Can people not distinguish between American news and Canadian news? Do people not know that Washington is not the same city as Ottawa? When did Canada bail out the banks at the taxpayers expense? They purchased some toxic debt, to which they will make 50 million per year off of. The taxpayer is MAKING MONEY.

Furthermore, I would much rather trust economists at the BoC, CIBC and RBC when they say we will narrowly avoid a recession than listen to any of you "armchair economists" ramble on about something you know nothing about.

Stop "dooming and glooming", and get back to reality... go out, work for a living, make money, and pay off debt. THE SKY IS NOT FALLING, CHICKEN LITTLE!


JB
said

My variable rate mortgage has fallen yet again with the recent Bank of Canada rate drop. Can't complain about the savings!


barryh
said

do not fall for ING,just read that it is in financial trouble in the Netherlands and require government bail out...many people are taking their money out of ING and putting it in a safe bank...


funkright
said

THE SKY IS FALLING..!! THE SKY IS FALLING..!!

My gosh people, please be aware of what you are talking about before posting rhetoric. Take sometime and educate yourself on how the financial system works, how money works (check into FIAT), and then make rational postings that take into account what you've learned, but come on people, grow up..

Unless you want to be nicknamed Chicken Little.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

The Profit and Loss Statements of banks/companies allow them to deduct their losses, usually lowering their profits. This is not unusual in a capitalist system. Robin the Hood (Red)likes to blame capitalism, but it is the only system, with proper oversight and regulations, that benefits the average person who wants to achieve a better life. While China still has a Communist government, allowing the free market, has enabled it's citizens to achieve a higher standard of living. Cuba, on the other hand, still hands cheques to their people, even though they work hard, and stops them from achieving a better life.
So, Robin the Hood (Red) your way is not the desirable route for most people who have a desire for success for themselves and their families. Our economy may face a slowdown due to trade, but not everyone has a "doom and gloom" perspective.


WE DEMAND JUSTICE
said

What bugs me is the greedy fat cats who screwed this all up will walk away with their personal fortunes intact while tax payers bail out their companies. If we the tax payer have to flip the bill then I say we deserve an old fashion witch hunt. Why aren’t these clod heads front page news. Expose the greedy idiots and make them pay first.


Erin, more concerned about Van. Canucks playing
said

I read comments made here all the time, the one thing that is glaringly obvious is that people don't know how to read. Canadians DID NOT bail out any of our banks, they didn't/don't need it. The way our system is set up it is impossible for what happened in the US to happen here. We don't offer subprime anything. The reason some other countries are having a very difficult time ie: Iceland is because they invest in other countries banks and they don't have the reserve to back their loands up. Canada does.

There was an article last week about different country's banking systems.

Guess who was on the top of the list, as in number 1. CANADA. We have the most stable banking/economic system in the world. We should be absolutely laughing at the rest of the countries for their misguidance. If the BoC predicted this earlier in the year and made concessions then to minimize the effect on Canada, these other countries obviously ignored the same advice/numbers and are now paying the price for doing so.

People should be more concerned about where some of the in trouble countries are now receiving loans from.




RD
said

meanwhile our dollar plunges to the point where it is worthless again, good thing i don't plan on buying anything! People were starting to travel finally and now it screeches to a halt. Our dollar isn't worth the paper its printed on we are losing jobs and our government is sitting on their fat butts doing squat about it. the rich get richer and the poor working stiff is footing the bill and hoping they still have a job tomorrow


Johnny P
said

Oh really? They think they know. In the wake of this huge economic melt down that "nobody saw coming" how can they possibly know what's going to follow?


adrian (Calgary)
said

Reply to Erin, more concerned about Van. Canucks playing and OTHER ALIKE.

Did I write Bail out. NO. I said they are using taxpayers money. Where do you people think that BofC gets its money to inject/make the banks feel safer. Does the money come off the trees. What I am saying and I should have been a bit clearer is that Bank of Canada is helping out the bank by making guarantees for things like interbank loans. Meaning that they will fork up the money if banks have a mishap :) again. If they BofC forks up the money does it not come from tax payers. Who is going to bail you out if you cant pay your mortgage. Bank of Canada is backed by taxpayers. IE, Canadians living here. So if we back up BofC and BofC makes a decision to make certaing guarantees to Canadian banks then BofC is assuming some risks so the canadian banks feel more free to lend money. Now that they are lending money because of BofC guarantee we are still paying higher interest than we would normally have to. In other words we the people ie govermnet are helping banks feel safe by making guarantees that they will be fine and in return they get cheaper lending rate from BofC and giving us a higher rate of borrowing. Couple of years back when the Bank of Canada lending rate was at 2% Canadain banks would lend you money at around 4.5 or 4.75 5 year fixed rate. Now the Bank of Canada rate is 2.25 and the pretty much all banks are lending to consumer at 5.8% range. Im sorry but I think its wrong. I understand banks need backing but so do the people.


Giving up
said

Why are people still insisting the conservatives "spent billions bailing out the banks"
I for one am getting really and truly tired of wading through all this oral diarrhea posted by people that have no knowledge of what is going on,have not studied the problem,have not bothered to read the article concerned and/or do not have the smarts to comprehend what they have read.
Every debateable article ever printed on this site has a plethora of idiots posting absolutely stupid responses claiming or suggesting they are privy to facts that just do not exist.
At least half of the posts seem like the headlines of a supermarket tabloid rather than a sincere and debateable response.
I would like to suggest having a moderator that weeds out this stuff, but one of the great things about this site is it's lack of any kind of censure, so I suppose just an appeal would have to suffice.

Am I alone in this....please respond.


JP in Ontario
said

I think a large part of the problems we are seeing these days, is comparisons. The Sub-prime mortgages, and money market problems aside, we are faced with people panicking based on comparisons. The economy, locally, or worldwide, has been in a state of fantastical flourish in the past few years, and now its not. The past few years have skewed perceptions, changed basis' for comparisons, and as such when faced with the current situation it looks much worse. After all, we have had record highs everywhere, indexes, company profits etc recently, but where is all this money coming from? There hasnt been that much extra gold bought up, its value has soared, indicating that its demand is much higher, and thus no one has it....so, where is the money coming from that funded these great recent successes? Regardless, this is a market correction in progress right now. Mr Carney's statements are based on the definition of a recession, but also on speculation (biggest part of problems recently), so we will just have to wait and see what time brings. Remember though, we are comparing the future to an unrealistic market situation that has evolved leading up to this, look back a few decades, times ahead arent that bad. But they could still be worse than Carney thinks. Patience is the order now folks.


Ray - London
said

The Royal Bank believed in me when I was having hard financial times and really helped me weather the storm. Now when I'm no longer am in that situation, I will stand by them. Sure they're a business trying to make money, but they make more money, and lose less, when they have happy customers. My variable rate mortgage dropped a corresponding amount within a day of each of the last two BoC rate cuts. I'd call that service!

Why am I not going to ING or PC, etc? Easy. My local bank knows me, I know them. They trust me, I trust them. Bad things can happen that are out of my hands and the bank's hands, that's life. But isn't that what face to face meetings are meant for? Talking and trying to help each other constructively?


Thanks Banks!!
said

I just got off the phone with Scotiabank who has changed their mind in lending my son $3,000 with me as a co-signer(college fees). The reason for their change of heart? Although I have A-1 credit with little debtload they received word from above to hang onto their money "because of what's happened in the USA".
I thought these bank bailouts were put into place to spur on the economy and NOT sit in a bank vault.


GP
said

@ CC-western Canada

In fact it is a bail out. When the government guarantees loans and other such financial vehicles it allows the banks to free up the money that would otherwise be required to be held back, as dictated by regulations, in order to ensure that a bank can always meet its base obligations. The taxpayers’ money allows the banks to free that money and use it for generating profits through additional loans and investments. It's not so much a bail out as one heck of a no cost public subsidy.

Given the circumstances I don't think there is any other solution. However the banks are clearly using this as an opportunity to gouge the consumers, with our own subsidy/bail out.

So in terms of thinking and approach to doing business, its clear that the same short sighted, profit above all else mentality still rules the boardroom of corporate Canada.

The taxpayer and consumer deserve better, much better. Which is why I believe that the “free market” system that is currently in place will inevitably collapse in on our children…when the next really big market scam happens. We MUST focus on sustainability NOT profit.

NOTE: remember this when you hear groups say they want to privatize health care. It will be a greed driven system before you can bat an eye.


Stefan Polacek
said

What I see is media scaring the public and then they panic and stop spending. Why is it we were going so well and then one day everything starts to fall, because of a house crisis in the States which really doesn't effect us. What I beleive what made things go worse is the prices of the Oil and that just started to wake up the issue. I know how we can fix this.... GREED and more GREED is killing us. I love to make money but not at a prices that will affect the world. Somebody has to be punish when things go up for no reason and now that the oil is going to $60 they say that is bad because people are not driving well if they never put it at $145 maybe we wouldn't be in this mess, but we never learn except we suffer.


DC in AB
said

RD: Our dollar isn't worthless... it was worth a mere $0.60 US a few short years ago. The dollar dropping to ~$0.79 US is due to two things:

1. The American dollar is surging up in value as compared to much of the world's currency.
2. Tactical... a lower dollar means other currency buys more of our products. Thus helping to prevent any trade deficit.

Again... armchair economists crying about the sky falling... makes me sick really...


Nostradamn
said

Wake up John, FreakAlert has it right. He might even be holding back some. This IS big and will get worse when the credit card companies start asking for payments too. First the housing and next Visa and MC. We aren't even close to the end. You haven't seen anything yet. 2012...wake up.


Keith Pendlebury, Salmon Arm, BC
said

The bank problems are in the US people, NOT in Canada.

NO BANKS IN CANADA ARE IN TROUBLE, Canadian Banks will NOT be in trouble.

In the rest of the world the banks were not as honestly regulated and they are in a mess.

NOT IN CANADA!!!

Some of you seem to have an IQ lower than a road killed rabbit.

Last month almot 800,000 homes in the US were foreclosed. LAST MONTH!! That would be about 10 MILLION homes a year. Obviously there are going to be massive problems with the banks that gave these people mortgages they couldn't afford and the people who bought shares in those mortgages as investments.

We weren't that stupid in Canada.

Next time you complain about regulations, remember that Canadian Banking Regulations kept us from the worst of this.

Yes our biggest customer has been a crook and an idiot and we will be hurt a bit for a while but there are other customers, we will still all eat and sleep better than 99% of humanity and our resources will not rot away.

You won't have all the ice cream you want to stuff in your face but you will have what you need to live far better than 99.9999% of all people on the face of the earth have ever lived and if you feel this country is just terrible, I bet I could find a milion people in Afganistan who would willingly trade places and problems with you in a microsecond. Grow up!


Bernard Romanycia
said

Would this be called a calm "as she goes" conservative outlook, by the Bank of Canada? I'm still looking for Value on my dollar.


Western Cam
said

Hey Robin Hood

It is the crazy idea that everyone should be able to own a house in the USA that got them into this mess. The American government legislated the banks to lend out cash to high risk lenders. So now the tax payers are bailing out the people that could not afford this in the first place. This has nothing to do with greedy banks but rather poor government. Weather it was the conservatives or the Liberals they are the ones to thanks. I am eating a lot of humble pie giving credit to our governments.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ "GP":
@ "Robin the Hood":

Free-market capitalism is the systematic hand that feeds you both. Quit biting it.

"Free-market" doesn't mean completely free, unencumbered, and entirely unregulated. Just because some political legislators south of the border stuck their foolish fingers into the gears, and some Wall Street financial grinders took advantage, doesn't mean the system has failed us at all. Get a grip.

Asserting, with any credibility and intelligence, that Socialism or Communism (two proven failures) would make our lives better requires that you both move beyond ideological whining and sniping and sell your apparent conviction. We all know you can't. But feel free to try...for once.

Free-market capitalism is the reason you can post your comments via a computer, as opposed to scratching your musings on the wall of a cave with a sharp stick.


Daniel R.
said

....can someone explain to me why the US dollar is at $1.18 when they are the ones that borrowed $700 Billion,....and ours goes down below .80 cents?

....I really need to understand this!!


eskiefan
said

Well, Mr. Harper got a lot of flak from people who had a field day blaming him for the worldwide slump. If this prediction is correct and the economy regains robust health in 2010 I hope those same people are poised to give him all the credit!


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