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Date: Wed. Oct. 22 2008 10:01 PM ET

VANOC board member Dick Pound has apologized for remarks that some interpreted as meaning First Nations people were "savages" 400 years ago. The comments, given to a newspaper earlier this year, sparked a public outcry.

"I apologize for any unintentional harm that was caused, absolutely," he said. "That was not my intention in any way, shape or form."

Pound, former head of the World Anti-Doping Agency, made his remarks while defending the decision to hold the 2008 Olympics in China, despite the country's questionable human rights record.

He said: "We must not forget that 400 years ago, Canada was a land of savages, with scarcely 10,000 inhabitants of European descent, while in China, we're talking about a 5,000-year-old civilization."

Pound was speaking in French and used the term "pays de sauvage," commonly used by the Jesuits at the time to describe First Nations people. He said the term does not necessarily carry the same connotations as the English word "savages."

"That is the term (pays de sauvage) that has been used in French which means something entirely different than savages in English for close to 400 years," he told The Canadian Press.

"It's fallen out of favour now and I probably should have been more alert to the change in vocabulary. It's not derogatory."

Pound made the controversial comments to the Montreal-based LaPresse newspaper on Aug. 9. But they only sparked controversy in the past few days when it emerged that a Quebec native rights group had complained to the International Olympic Committee.

On Tuesday, B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell told the Globe and Mail that the remarks were "totally unacceptable" and that Pound should resign from his position on the VANOC board of directors.

"It's a disgraceful comment," Campbell told the newspaper.

Native groups also rallied against Pound's remarks. In a statement on the website for the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs, Grand Chief Stewart Phillip said Pound should quit his role as chancellor of McGill University.

"A man of Mr. Pound's stature and experience should have known better," Phillip said in the statement. "As a measure of genuine remorse and reconciliation, Mr. Pound must resign."

He said the group stands by calls from Ghislain Picard, chief of the Assembly of First Nations of Quebec and Labrador, in initially calling for Pound to step down.

In a statement Friday, the AFNQL called on McGill to officially sanction Pound.

"Mr. Pound should himself understand the immense discourtesy of his remarks and offer to resign," Picard said in the statement.

"Contrary to the beliefs of Richard Pound, the First Nations of Quebec are descendant from great societies that have occupied the territory of Quebec for more than 5,000 years. Before the arrival of Christopher Columbus, America was inhabited by nations that lived in well-organized societies. We were not mere herds."

Phillip said Pound's handling of the fallout from his comments shows an even greater lack of judgement.

"The UBCIC finds Mr. Pound's attempt to deflect the seriousness of his blatantly racist remarks as clumsy, insincere and completely unacceptable," he said.

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Joe
said

Are you serious? Excuse me? Savages? I am an average white guy and I have not heard anything about how the white people were wholesale slaughtered in a savage way by the first nations people here as they were on the west coast.

I think his comments are a disgrace and as someone who was instrumental in assisting the VANOC to secure the Olympics, I think it would be a profound disgrace to Canada and the Olympics if he were to not resign for such comments.

Wow...I never saw that one coming. What a disgrace. How dare he.



M in Ottawa/Canada
said

I am not native Canadian but I firmly believe that: this man should be "Ordered" to send a hand written apology to every Native Canadian for his stupid arrogant remarks. Once he did that he should be forbidden from ever entering Canada.


Say goodbye Dick !
said

Dick Pound once again finds himself at the center of controversy. This time I would be pleased to see this man take the door "a la Stephane Dion".

Salut et 'bonsoir la visite'!



W in SK
said

Pound is the ultimite "pound Maker" ha ha, this is not even news worthy

who cares!!

where's the freedom of speech people


Dave Craig
said

While Pound's comments are quite offensive, I don't think that he should have to throw away a great career and a great job that he's done over this.

Aside from an apology i don't think his resignation is needed. he's an Doping official, representing International Doping, not Canada





Decendant of Savages
said

Before the Roman Empire, Europe was full of savages. Whats the big deal?


Peter Hunziker
said

During my 50+ years in Canada French-Canadiens always refered to our Natives as les Sauvages. English Canadiens called them Indiens until Immigration from India began the change to Natives.
It is unfair to criticise Pound for using an old established French term within a Frech speaking Province.


Anne
said

To W in SK
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech and it is VERY newsworthy. This has to do with a man in a position of power making very uninformed and ignorant statements that insult the first people to inhabit this country.

Simon Shaw
said

From a 21'st century perspective, everyone that was alive 400 years ago were savages. The european people who conquered the world were the most infamous savages of them all. It is also true that indigenous people of Canada, compared to the same group alve today, would be considered savages by todays standards. If we move forward in time 400 more years, the people of 2408 will look back on us as savages for the inhumanity, the beheadings, the torturing of people, the imprisoning of people for indefinite lengths of time without trial, the use of dogs on naked prisoners, bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Let us not over react to the statement and please understand it in the context of what Canada was like and what the rest of the world was like 400 years ago.


Al
said

Although not politcally correct Mr. Pound's comment is true. A society is judged to be great by its accomplishments. 5000 years of non-development. 5000 years of the same old, same old. Where are the great ancient cities? Where are the great accomplisments?

There aren't any!


Cornwall BK
said

Political correctness gone mad.

Should we remove all the books in the libraries that contain the word savage?

Anything for a news story..


Ryan in AB
said

What a absolutely stupid and ignorant thing to think and say. May be he can recover with a truly heart felt apology otherwise there is no place for this sort of opinion on a board that is working for an inclusive Olympics.

Also, "W in SK" freedom of speech does not come without potential consequences for your words. Mr. Pound is welcome to voice his comments but can not do so without expecting possible reprecussions.


Jamie
said

I'm of Scottish descent: 400 years ago my ancestors were considered savages, too.

It doesn't offend me at all that they were as it has no bearing on me today.


G in Ottawa
said

The Europeans were the savages in North America 400 years ago.



Kila
said

Yeah Savages...savages that gave you the tent, herbal medicines, invented Lacrosse (which hockey was formed from), taught you hunting, gathering, how to survive on this rugged land. What did they get? Blankets infected with chicken pox! All sorts of illnesses and disease from Europe...Yep savages...


greggmac
said

Is there anyone around from 400 years ago to be offended by this? If not why are these pinkos being offended on someone else's behalf. Political correctness is so boring.


Dale Wilson - Edmonton
said

Get out the Dick begone spray.

This is 2008, you don't say things like that today. Period. Dick Pound has long since overstayed his welcome in any Olympic capacity. Come on, there are a lot of talented individuals out there who could have been chosen for the committee.


Jim
said

"From a 21'st century perspective, everyone that was alive 400 years ago were savages."

Well actually no. That is a very old world way of thinking and misuse of the word "savage". The term was always used as a way to try to infer that your culture's structure was superior to that of another's. Europeans commonly called the Japanese or Chinese savages even though both had much longer existing cultures.

The term is not accepted as a description of culture anymore since we have gorwon enough to know that just because someone's culture differs from ours, it does not mean ours is superior.




john
said

bad choice of words obviously, but it is true that when the Europeans first came to North America, the first nations were 2000 years behind European civilization


Lumpy
said

It must be a very slow news day. Political Correctness is out of control in our country.


Don
said

Well, he is certainly being "savaged" in the press! As a decendent of Scottish savages, (some none too far in the past) I kinda take pride in the term. I think if we put up my ancestors of 400 years ago against pretty much any indigenous Canadians of the same period we would find out pretty quickly who the real savages were. People take offense way too easily these days. Stop pounding on Dick so hard.... (Man, that's funny!)


Louise Fribance
said

That is ludicrous. In French "sauvage" doesn't have the same connotation as in English and he was speaking in French. It relates more to "undiscovered" and unknown than to "savage" as in English. If Mr. Pound is forced to resign over this one word, then the world truly has been turned over on its head. I fear that is exactly the case.


Happy Canadian
said

First off, Mr. Pound is not one of my favorite people, his "over the top" attitude and personality is just offensive.

But this does not mean that he is always wrong.

He used a term that is common in the Quebec language and refered to the level of civilization (debateable) between China and Canadian native people. Nothing improper here.

PC whiners be damned, appologists shut up and special interests groups go crawl back in your holes!

Getting so that every little thing offends someone.

Demanding a resignation because you don't agree with a statement! You sound even more " over the top " than Pound does.


Nicole
said

I think when people think of scalpings etc the word savage might come to mind. Irregardless, he did preface it with 400 years ago.... But the politically correct police are out in full force today. Get indignant about something that matters - like why I'm still paying $1.16 9/10 a liter for gas in Manitoba when oil is dropping like a stone!! Frankly, this is a non story.


Andrew
said

I am a member of this countries First Nations comminity and always feel like im being in a Third World country on how i am percieved and treated wen I mention who I am,,China might have ben around more then us, but i believe we're more proud, civilised then they ever will be.


A.C.
said

I'm outraged and angry the Pound demonstrated poor judgement and, well, stupidity in what he said. I don't condone it at all. Whether it was off the cuff or not, it was uncalled for, and disgraceful as a Canadian... as a human being.

To demand that he resign, however, is short sighted. Make him apologize; he should certainly pay some kind of restitution, but to make him resign? He's the most qualified person in the country to do the job. His track record with the IOC and other organizations is proof of that.

What the media isn't paiting is the true peril VANOC is in right now with funding problems, dissention in the ranks, and serious issues - in both the sport and cultural mandates - that require someone like Dick Pound to deal with.

Let's not be so hasty in tossing out a qualified leader just because he got caught off guard in one question. Afterall, precident is already set: Stephen Harper managed to put his foot in his mouth multiple times over the last year, and yet we still re-elected him.

Make Pound pay, but not at the cost of Canada and Vancouver's success in 2010.


Anthony
said

Too much being made out of nothing. Certainly 400 years ago Canada was not full of economic PhD's from Harvard. Let's stop this idiotic "correctness".


Sherry
said

Come on people - get over it. The WORLD back then was full of savages - in fact there are places where some still exist unfortunately. A simple apology is all that is needed, nothing more. Man, some of you really like others to see Canadians as whiners!


Kris Pittman
said

This is political correctness run amok!!! I watch Discovery Channel a lot and they frequently describe the Celts, Germanic people and those from Gaul as savages prior to Roman conquest, I don't see the French, Germans, or Folks from the U.K. up in arms. Why? Well I guess it could be that those barbarian hordes were integrated into larger society as tends to be the way of things in nature. It's only Canada that makes every effort to ensure that everyone is distinctly separate and maybe/maybe not equal. Grow a thicker skin, this silliness is eventually going to lead to Canada being a place where not only offending someone is worse then capital murder, but thinking offensive thoughts will be just as unacceptable. Now we have the P.C. police tomorrow the thought police...


Pierre
said

I was raised and educated in French-Canada and using such a derogatory word to reference the natives would have been unthinkable. We either referenced them by their tribe name or as "Amérindiens", when referring to them as a whole.
The only Quebeckers who still refer to natives as "sauvages" are elitists who think that europeans are somehow better than the natives they killed off when colonizing.


Linda in Vancouver
said

What a stupid thing for anyone to say in this day of political correctness.And it's made worse by the fact that it is seen to be interpretted as a slur towards First Nations people in particular.
That said,by the standards of today,all societies and cultures could be viewed as being "savages" at one point in our respective histories.
Wrong.yes.Stupid,yes.But read some history of the planet and the evolution of humanity.I'm sure he simply and stupidly blurted out an offensive thought that many millions of people have had during the millions of years of man's migration all over the planet.
Many people in history that we might now call revolutionary,or heroic today had very similar thoughts about other culture or races at one time or another.
The sad thing is that someone of his stature.in the 21st century,has not really figured out how to express himself in ways that do not marginalize other cultures.
But then again,he is clearly not alone.If he was the only guilty party,we could eliminate all kinds of discrimination in a heartbeat.
Who among us feels so self rightous as to be capable of casting the first stone?


Canuck in bellingham WA
said

The simple fact is that the various aboriginal groups in North America lived in different life styles between nomadic and hunter/gatherer. They were not civilized by todays standards, and there is no reason to believe their lifestyle was significantly different than the early man living 20,000 years ago in Europe.

Whether the word savages is the best way to describe this is open to debate. The life expectancy of the average N A aboriginal has risen great, as has there quality of life in general.

All it cost them was the destruction of their way of life, degredation and slaughter through disease, residential schools and reserves.

Whhh, but its not politically correct to point out either side of the truth.


AV
said

Absolutely ridiculous. Political correctness gone over the top. Mr. Pound has apologized (as he should have). End of the story.


maca
said

people - take a breath - Mr. Pound says he was taken out of context ! is he guilty until proven innocent or innocent until proven guilty !

Even if he did use the term - I remember growing up hearing the term 'savages' referring to the indians ... also the term 'natives' it was accepted then (and I am only in my 40s!... but also the people of the day 150-400 years ago did think/speak along those terms - of course we are not to use these terms today ...
every civilization called another group savages - because people WERE brutal(some still today!)
people lets hear Mr. Pound's explanation first or learn the context of the use.. then take appropriate ...if any action !
Quoting a old term does NOT make someone racist etc - chill out people !





kneeguy
said

What a world we live in. Political correctness is so out of control it has ceased to be funny and is now frightening. Making fun of political correctness is no longer politically correct!

It has made everyone ultra-sensitive to everything and left people looking to be offended by any and everything. No one is willing to call a spade a spade anymore for fear of offending someone.

Those of you who just blew a gasket, have effectively proven my point. Have a valium and Google the phrase.


Ike - Aurora
said

What... This type of overreaction is ludicrous. Most parts of the world were inhabited by "savages" 400 years ago. Get over it.

However, I agree that it was a silly comment. In a country like Canada you can't say stuff like that.




Savage Viking
said

Poor judgement - maybe.
Offensive - certainly not.
I think 'savage' is a very appropriate word to describe the world 400 years ago.


Tired of this stuff....
said

I agree with Cornwall BK..."Political correctness gone mad" is right!! Ever hear of things taken out of context?

Lighten up people and worry about things worthy of your worry.


steven
said

So it takes us 400 years to implement human rights that are more thanacceptable while China a 5000 year old civilization still has not cought up? his comment's make no sense in comparing our human righst to there's. Our policies may not be the best or most effectibe but there a hell of a lot better then China's.

there is no questions that he has to apologize.


steven
said

So it takes us 400 years to implement human rights that are more thanacceptable while China a 5000 year old civilization still has not cought up? his comment's make no sense in comparing our human righst to there's. Our policies may not be the best or most effectibe but there a hell of a lot better then China's.

there is no questions that he has to apologize.


With Held
said

What a benign statement. So much sound and fury signifying nothing comes from those deluded with their own victimization. I no fault with Mr Pound's comment


Clayton Magnet
said

Give me a break!

400 years ago one might classify all europeans as savages. The americans slaughtered the same 'savages' and were savages for doing so!

Who cares, there is no story here CTV.


Savages and Barbarians
said

And after Dick Pound is dealt with, how about the federal election debate moderator that called anyone who votes Conservative a barbarian?


George
said

The "les sauvages" explanation while he was speaking to LaPresse, is good enough for me.

Stop the useless politically correct nonsense.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

This is just political correctness to the extreme. I know silence is golden, but free speech is the issue here folks. When are we going to start burning books for the use of this word?


Jim.Vancouver
said

Heaven forbid that we offend anyone in this Country!

Perhaps Mr Pound should receive a call from the Inquisition,ie; The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal!

After a lengthy exposure to the Rack and a mandatory course in 'Sensitivity training',i'm sure Mr Pound will be accepted back into the Human Race,albeit without his job and the braying hounds will feel that another successful win has been entered into the column of P.C run amok!


Richard, Gatineau
said

I am a French Canadian, and in history class we would read the written accounts of the explorers and first settlers from France and they referred to the natives as "sauvages" because they appeared primitive by European standards and further they didn't have a better term at that time, and it is widely understood, to my understanding, that it is not a term that is appropriate for use today. I just thougth I would throw that in.


Mo
said

I've always respected Dick Pound and what he's done not only as a Canadian, but in his roles in furthering the Olympic spirits. It's unfortunate and sad to hear of all people, him using such a posted-dated and somewhat discriminating term against our own indigeneous people.


Trent
said

I guess he doesn't have the right to free speech, but then again, free speech is only the law if it is socially acceptable.

Nothing to see here, move along.


NicholasPaul
said

Kila -
RUBBISH! In case it isn't written in your history books, hunting has been around a lot longer than 400 years, and Europeans didn't have to come to North America to learn it! Do you think Europe doesn't have any savage land?


Al-Vancouver
said

Political correctness be damned!!!! Why must we be offended by things people say??? Seems that as the decades go by our skin seems to be getting thinner. Depending on your perspective, either Natives or Europeans were considered savages 400 years ago. To the person who mentioned that you can't say things like this anymore. Who says you can't? Who makes these rules? Obviously people with too much time on their hands.


ME
said

This world is too politically correct!!!
Call a spade a spade. He was talking about 400 years ago, people and that has no reflection on today. The point being that China was more developed then than most countries then, it isn't now.
That being said I think the IOC was wrong to hold the Olympics in a country that is not open to public scrutiny.


GB
said

I'm outraged ! (That hardly anyone has made any good Dick Pound name-related jokes, I mean...)


terry
said

really pound is the savage. i m a regular white joe and i would never have made a comment like that. who does he think he is .


FreakAlert
said

People always ask me in Quebec if I speak French(I do), but I always reply, "I only speak the savage tongue, English". "Sorry".


Pat
said

A NON issue.

Get over it!


Bewildered in Toronto
said

So, somebody else is offended - again. And the point is....?

Besides, "savages" is still a relative term - according to whom? compared to whom? and, under what circumstances?

Further, "being offended" is a personal responsibility and not dependent on someone else's behaviour.

Pretty soon, people will be offended if their religions are criticised. Oops! Too late.


Deborah in Quebec
said

So how many of you are perfect and never mis-spoke or made a mistake?
Get over your self importance already.


ronald lavigne
said

I was raised in Cornwall Ontario near a huge reserve and all the french canadians called the Indians "les sauvages". It was not meant to be an insult. We never heard the anglos call them "savages". They called them "Indians". So Pound should resign


Red Deer Joe
said

Now if he were a conservative MP...this would not even have made the news! Big deal, he apologized as is so fashionable these days. Let it be.


Carla
said

I'm from a cannibalistic Scottish clan, can't get more savage then that. Kinda proud of it…like “don’t tick me off!” kinda proud.

Let’s have a sincere apology and be done with it.



joe
said

Its " the wise old owl that sat in a tree" syndrom .Like most of us it takes us two years to learn when to talk and most the rest of our lifeves when to shut up



Mike
said

Should I take offense to being called a white man. Give me a break are we all a bunch of sucks. If a Indian calls me a white man, what are my rights? What about my feelings. Suck it up.


New World
said

I agree with Richard it is not appropriate… today.

I am a true believer in that it's not the word you use but the context in what the word is used for. Is the 'word' used to display hatred? Is it used to make you feel superior? Is it used to segregate? Is it used demean the value of another group/person in our society? Is it used to intentionally hurt?

It's not "P.C. Run amok". It's being careful about what you are saying, and what effect it will have on others. What you may think is a shot at humor, or stressing a point, may deeply hurt and insult someone else.

The simple solution is Dick should apologize, and the First Nations people should accept his apology.


Larry
said

It is ironic that Dick Pound used the term savages to make the point that China has a ancient civilization that predates anything in the new world. He tries to make the point that despite China's current short comings the momentum of 5000 years of history may propel them forward to become a more acceptable society. The use of the term savage is ironic because at one time, circa 1850 the European powers defined China as uncivilized, because of China's military weakness, to justify their extraction of trade and territorial rights over a very weak country. Whether it's now or then nations and cultures tend to elevate themselves over other nations and cultures. The language of these attitudes are in our history texts and it sometimes surfaces despite all attempts to suppress biases. Dick Pound should apologize but should not be pilloried for having subconscious biases derived from various societal influences.


GM
said

the point is he works for the IOC a governing body that it is suppossed to represent the way people of the world can come together through sports, to make a remark such as this is goes against everything the Olympics should stand for. And his excuse of using the historical reference of "les sauvages" is pathetic how many First Nations people back then refered to themselves as "les sauvage" it was a racial slur back then and still is today.


Canadian Soldier
said

Ive said it before and I will say it again. Canada is most offended society on the globe...

That said, I dont agree with Pound's remakrs, but I do agree with his right to speak them without persecution.

Get off your high horses, none of you appologists have what it takes to ride a high horse in the first place.


White and Not Amused in Winnipeg
said

Here we go again...this man seems to have a permanent case of foot in mouth disease! When will he shut up? First his over blown statistics of "Rampant" doping of Olympic athletes, then a wild "of the top of his head" statistic about steroid use in the NHL and other professional sports! Now this!

Certain people on this forum can claim “free speech” all you want but given the context of his comments it seems this goes far beyond Quebec colloquialisms. Mr. Pound refers to Canada as a “land of savages, with scarcely 10,000 inhabitants of European decent, while in China, we’re talking about a 5,000 year old civilization.” Does no one see the unpatriotic sentiment toward Canada or the exclusion of the thousands of Natives who lived here for 5,000 + years before the arrival of European settlers? He calls us “savages” and “inhabitants” yet refers to the Chinese a “civilization.” Well Mr. Pound, if you love China so much, go there and never return. Your kind is unwanted in my Canada!



Roger T
said

He has ever right to speak the truth. People are forgetting that our country went through turbulances before becoming the society we are today. Our Gov't stole this land from the natives by force and left them with nothing but force them to live on reserves so in that sense we are still savages worst than other countries that at least treat their OWN citizens and NOT steal from others.


Travis Eklund
said

Being a powerful public figure he should have thought about his comments a little more before he said them.

On the flip side, it's typical of Canadians to take a single word, out of context, and blow it WAY out of proportion. Typical Canadian behavior to be over sensitive about a WORD.


richardd
said

If Pound were smart, he'd have done this on purpose. Look at the news story and the comments. A little, stupid, non-pc comment and all attention directed away from the fact that this has absolutely no relation to China's human rights record now. Just as the IOC's decision had nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with money.


Roger
said

Dick Pound would do well to read Charles Mann's book, titled "1491" which is an in-depth analysis of the pre-Columbian Indian life, revealing high levels of culture and civilization among indigenous peoples. The Europeans, in their savagery, virtually destroyed the natives' way of life.


my 2 cents
said

Might not have been politically correct to say it, but he's right. 400 years ago Canada was inhabited by migratory hunter gatherers. It is no insult to them, they lived in a savage land and they adapted. In order to survive they had to be savage. It was a kill or be killed world.

Mr Pound spoke a little too bluntly given his position and the tendancy of special interest groups to jump all over everything people say, but he wasn't lying.


Confused about his message
said

Are they good comments? Absolutely not. They're disgraceful.

He could have simply used a far better series of words. The point he was trying to make, all the same, doesn't make much sense. Canada has a colourful history, of course, but we're nothing like some of the nations on earth that have a much worse history.

I just don't know what his point really is. If he should resign, it's because he's incompetent, not because he's racist.


Jess D
said

Isn't there any better news? Come on, this is a non news issue. As one poster mentioned Europe was full of savages and barbarians before the Romans came along. Are there any Europeans here that take offence to that?


FrankCanadian
said

A lot of these comments reflect European-original racism toward another culture.
Are we to believe that indigenous North American culture is inferior to European culture because they didn't have the wheel or ships? Then, are we to believe that Zen Buddhism is inferior to any other belief. Or that Islamic belief is inferior or that any belief is not "correct?"
Europeans stumbled upon a different part of the planet more than 500 years ago and didn't even have the courtesy to say, "Can we visit? We have some neat things to trade."
Essentially we give more courtesy to a dead moon and a long-dead Mars.



JP
said

The loss of our language and historical references to these PC nuts jobs is a travesty.


Jimmy
said

Why attack a man for telling the simple truth.
He has nothing to apologise for.


Jim in Edmonton
said

Hey another politically incorrect comment. Get over yourselves. This country has too many bleed hearts. Let's move forward. The native industry wants to live in the past so we taxpayers can keep paying forever. Enough already, let it go and pay them out. What would it cost for closure? Oh, maybe that's politically incorrect also to talk about closure.


nitus
said

SAVAGE:
-a member of an uncivilized people
-without civilizing influences

CIVILIZATION:
- a society in an advanced state of social development (e.g., with complex legal and political and religious organizations)


REALLY, people, you're overreacting here. The native americans WERE savages by the definition that Pound is using here.

You're all acting like he called first nations people murderers and rapists, or something equally vile. He was pointing out that China had an advanced civilization thoudsands of years ago, and he was right.

You may not like the idea that the first nations were largely primitive bands of nomads with a stone-age culture, but that's just too bad. Welcome to reality.


Marc Gervais
said

Savages Mr. Pound,

Don't have to think too hard to know what part of the country you must be from.

Contrary to Mr. Pound I think there are plenty of savages in this country. None of them on reservations...


Jim
said

I think Mr. Pound was trying to show that one county's "human rights issues" can be shown to be non issues if you look at history.

He is right! Canada was a savage country 400 years ago, while China was one of the world's eminent places of thought, invention and culture. They had, for the most part, moved past the savage stage.

In Canada, English killed French, French killed English, they BOTH killed "First Nations", First Nations fought and killed european AND each other. It was the life in a savage land.

There was a culture, among each group BUT to each other, it was strange, too diferent, so better to be annilated.

Mr. Pound COULD HAVE flowered it up but the truth is the truth, it is our history, and no self rightous denial will change that! Lets just accept it and MOVE ON for god sake!

Mr. Pound has NOTHING to resign or be sanctioned about.


Alex M. McComber
said

Dick Pound's comments in 2008 are racist and ignorant, expecially coming from a person of his positions and statures within the current world. As a McGill University alumni and adjunt professor with the Faculty of Education I am thoroughly disgusted with his comments, with his later response, essentially, "didn't mean it, too bad, get over it", and with the refusal of the McGill University Board of Governors decision to ignore the situation. There is no room in the 21st century to tolerate this attitude and though, especially from someone in such a position of prominence. It only serves to reinforce the embedded racism still thriving in Canada and the world. Totally unacceptable.




cantuc
said

2000 years ago the natives in Mexico and central and South America were building pyramids , had a calendar,mining and refining gold and silver while most of Europe were living in caves ,if they were lucky . The Iriqois had a pretty good governmental system , which our own parliament has taken some ideas from . One of the first things the "superior " european taught them was to scalp their enemies.


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