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CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Fri. Oct. 10 2008 5:19 PM ET

Canada's big banks are lowering their prime lending rates in response to an announcement Friday from Finance Minister Jim Flaherty that the federal government will buy $25 billion worth of mortgage debt to help free up credit markets.

TD Canada Trust and CIBC said it will lower the rate by another 15-hundredths of a point to 4.35 per cent, effective next Tuesday.

"We believe this initiative will be put into effect in a way that will reduce our overall cost of funds and, as a result we are dropping our rate today," Tim Hockey, president and CEO of TD Canada Trust, said Friday.

"Financial markets are very turbulent, and funding costs are still high. However, we anticipate that our cost of funds will decrease with the implementation of this program, and therefore wanted to take action that will benefit our customers directly."

The Bank of Nova Scotia, the Royal and the Bank of Montreal announced shortly afterward that they are cutting their prime rate by 0.25 points to 4.25 per cent.

Canada's big banks were under fire earlier this week after they decided to pass only part of the Bank of Canada's half percentage point rate cut to consumers. The banks said the decision was made because of volatile credit markets.

Speaking in Ottawa Friday, Flaherty said the decision to buy the mortgage debt from Canadian banks was being made in an effort to stabilize the lending industry and encourage lower interest rates.

Flaherty made the announcement before heading to Washington to meet with other G-7 finance ministers to formulate a plan for dealing with the current economic turbulence.

He said the mortgage debt will be purchased by the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corp.

Flaherty said that will ease pressure on lending institutions and prompt banks to lower their interest rates for Canadians, which could spark renewed buying activity.

He said the plan is "efficient, cost-effective and safe way to support lending in Canada that comes at no fiscal cost to taxpayers."

Don Drummond, chief economist for TD, called the plan "music to my ears" and said it should benefit everyone involved.

"I don't think there's a risk of loss to the government, so it strikes me that those three partners -- the government, the CMHC and the banks all win and that helps ease up to some degree the credit flow in Canada," he told CTV's Canada AM.

Derek Holt, of Scotia Capital, said the move is a "healthy, positive step" designed to make loans available for those who qualify.

"That's the hope, that by taking mortgage backed securities out of the banking system that are illiquid, that they cannot move, cannot sell to the marketplace, and giving cash instead, that banks will then turn around and use that cash to generate more loan growth to businesses and households in Canada," Holt said.

Flaherty maintained the position the Conservatives have taken since the election campaign began -- that the economy is still strong and well protected from U.S.-style economic turbulence brought on my the sub-prime mortgage crunch.

He said Canadian banks and financial institutions are "sound and well-capitalized, and less-leveraged than their international peers."

Not a bailout

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has also sought to reassure Canadians that the economy is stronger than its U.S. counterpart, and will weather the economic storm.

Just yesterday, Harper said the government would not be providing a bailout to banks.

During a campaign stop Friday in Brantford, Ont., Harper said the deal to buy mortgages was an asset swap, not a bailout.

"The government's main concern right now is obviously the cost and availability of credit," Harper said Friday. "Part of what has been happening is, because of the problems in the banking systems around the world, there's less and less inter-bank lending and therefore credit conditions are becoming tight even in Canada.

"...What we're trying to do today is make sure that the banks can take some good assets and turn those into cash so they can make that available to small business, to people seeking mortgages."

The opposition has accused Harper of taking a "do nothing" approach, but he maintains his government has been quietly preparing for the slowdown and shouldn't take drastic reactionary steps now.

Flaherty said the mortgage buyout has been talked about for months.

Meanwhile, Liberal Leader Stephane Dion accused Harper of contradicting his own words about taking action on the economy.

"After months of saying no action was required and his approach was sufficient, it appears, four days before Election Day, Stephen Harper has now had a change of heart," Dion said in a statement Friday.

"It is no surprise that many Canadians will believe that the Conservatives are playing partisan politics with their mortgages and savings in the dying days of a federal election."

Dion said the "11th hour conversion" will not reassure Canadians that Harper understands their needs.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Chris Ont
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Everyone take a big breath, stop panicking. Harper was right, there are bargains to be had. If you were thinking of buying a few RSP's for this year, now would be the time to invest. Now is not the time to hibernate, if we buy Canadian we will help our economy rebound. Just demand Canadian products and we will rebound quickly.


Simon Shaw
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Let me reassure you, everyone except Iceland's economy is stronger than the US.Harper is telling the truth, you just have to disect it a little.I still don't trust any one of our candidates for PM to handle the economy. I think David Emmerson will be sorely missed. At this point I think a minority govt would force all parties to work together and brainstorm through this. How is it that working together works everywhere else. Scientist come together and brainstorm about global warming and find solutions. I expect Stephen Harper to grow up and fight for Canada with his counterparts, regardless of who is in the top spot. I am tired of these politicians tearing each others good ideas down because they did not come up with it first.


Niagara Free Advice
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If you are new to the investment game, do not listen to Chris Ont or Harper.

Probably, you shouldn't even listen to a stock broker. Certainly, do not listen to someone selling mutual funds. In these uncertain times, they are both desperate to make commission.

The market is going down, almost every day. There is every likelihood, it will go much lower.

Do not buy today, or even next week. There will be plenty of buying opportunities in the weeks ahead, when the market goes much lower than it is this morning.

By the way, it is good to hear there is no need for a bail out, in Canada. The government is just taking on some of the debt of our banks. Oh yeah, that is a bailout! Thanks for the double talk Mr. Flaherty, you and your boss are very good, at that.


JR from a small town
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I'm a single Mom and can't believe what I've been reading. Do you know where I believe the downturn started? As much as we seem to leave our oil cartel friends behind all the doom and gloom of the sub-prime crash, how is that we are so blindly leaving them "out of the loop of the blame game" - so to speak. I stopped spending when my weekly expense of gas went from $30.00 to $60.00. That cut into my groceries, my clothing expenses, my daughters schooling expenses, everything! People stopped buying big cars and trucks and what was done about gas prices? NOTHING! Oil is currently trading around $81.??/barrel this morning, yet gas went up 2 cents last night! Can anyone explain this to me? I may not be the most politically savy person in the world, but I (like many lower income earners), can smell a rat. Blame the governement all you want, blame the states, their President, but while you're filling up your tank this weekend, look at the little people around you. Imagine how much gas prices have affected them and their small little lives, and suddenly you'll find out who the real bully is in the playground. At least, that's the way I see it.


bella in ottawa
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Wow!! Where is the gov't getting this money to help these lending institution. That's an incredible amount of money!! Apparently, the gov'ts got a ton of cash to float around. How about that! I guess us taxpayers will be paying for others incompetenicies.

Dion still gets my vote!


TimT
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JR from a small town, let's keep in mind how well backed and protected these oil companies in Canada are with our current government. This was also the same bunch of liars that screamed and hollered at the liberals that they would do something about the gas tax if gas went above 85 cents.


Paul Looks for Vision Not Old Ideas
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Where did Flaherty steal those ideas. Harper and Flaherty have no ideas of their own (they just mock Dion), they had no plan until this week that Canadians could review and make an informed decision on before heading to the polls. Now with a couple of days before voting they panic and bring it on after saying all is well we do not have to do anything.

My preference is to look for leaders with a vision for the future, a clean future for our kids. The Dion Plan and the Green Plan propose massive income tax cuts coupled with a revenue neutral pollution tax so we can invest in clean technologies which can be sold around the world and be an example to the world; we can move forward for a healthier future.

Let's vote for a new tomorrow not one based on the old Bush conservative philosophy of yesteryear.


Jonathan
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I am HORRIFIED at this announcement.

Every time I see Flaherty I am overcome with REVULSION.



JIMMY B - PERTH ONT
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Smalltown JR is so right. The greed of the oil barrens and investors who drove the price of Texas Tea up to umbelievable heights are muchly to blame for our present demise. As crude oil prices dictate the cost of just about everything conusumers need including the shirts on our backs, so does it affect inflation and consumer spending habits. Here's hoping that the current decline in gas and oil prices will continue and the good ship consumer will right itself before it sinks. Wake up G7 and put a stop to this ridiculous volatility in world oil prices. Finally, support your current government in the next election if you want any hope of recovery. I believe Mr. Harper is the only choice to make the right decisions as we go into a healing process.


shawn
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Money See, Monkey Do.

Why is it the Cons are doing EVERYTHING the Amarican Gov't is doing, after saying they wouldn't do it, didn't need to do it... They must be really shaking in their boots for Tuesday...

I'm so glad my taxes are paying for others mortgage debt...

"efficient, cost-effective and safe way to support lending in Canada that comes at no fiscal cost to taxpayers."

BULL! Their money is OUR MONEY if they spend it it comes out of our wallets.

Thanks again Harper and cronies for doing everything you say you won't...


Mike In Ottawa
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To JR from a small town:

NAIL ON THE HEAD OH & while were at it where are the Billions in profits "ALL" of the Banks have been posting for the last few years? Maybe they should have been saving for a rainy day!!! Why is the Canadian Government i.e. The People of Canada who's pockets those profits were wrung from now giving them more!!!! GRRRRRRRR Can anyone else smell a Bush??



Conservatives looking more liberal.
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This is ridiculous. I thought only the Liberals and NDP wanted to do a lot more than what governments should do! If the conservatives lose their distinctiveness, what will stop votes from bleeding to the Liberals and NDP?


Dave from Toronto
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Finally has Harper and Flaherty woken up? Or are they just pandering for votes? These guys told us 2 weeks ago, don't worry be happy, but due to public pressure have scrambled to appear to do something. Like their platform, hastily put together. Our economy deserves better, our savings deserve better, our workforce deserves better.
50 yrs old businesses are going bankrupt, Seniors savings are being decimated, and yes net jobs are higher, but you tell someone who lost a $60k/yr full time job that Tim Hortons/Future Shop is hiring! Shame on you Harper! Take your head out of the (tar) sands!


Tom in the West
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JR from a small town blames Oil Cartel folks? I guess I'm an "oil cartel" folk since I live in Calgary. JR is typical in that she wants someone to blame. Like most lefties (and I don't know shes a lefty) she tries to make us "hate" our nieghbors who work in the oil patch. Much easier to then trash them and put them out of work.

Just like Dion and Taleban Jack make the "corporation" nameless and faceless and attack and blame. I go downtown and meet some of the people who work for those nasty oil companies and it turns out they are just people too??? No horns no tails but to hear from our 4 socialist parties one would never know.

Of course we vote for Harper out here but we are concerned. Unlike his opponents he is showing far too much concern for all regions of Canada. He should split Toronto off and vilify them the way everyone else vilifies the west. Seems he won't do that tho it would balance the constant left wing attacks on our Province.

Doesn't matter what the reality is when the media can sell more papers convincing everyone its all our fualt. I guess I'll go to work today and support those evil oil corporations and bully some more single mothers.


Chris - Fredericton
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Wow,

I'm a strong Conservative supporter ( & still am) but I can't support this. With the banks making record profits year after year how come they get a 'buy out' minimizing their risk while everyday Canadians are exposed to more risk. Lending has been out of control lately & this 'crash' is a reflection of that. It's how free market economies work. There's nothing any politician can do to stop this.

Now Lib's stop talking about how Dion is going to save the enviroment with a new tax. The logic just doesn't work.


Joe
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Gosh, I have to cover my own debts. Maybe the Government will give me a hundred grand so I can buy a new house...
Yeah Right!!!


John
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I thought everything was hunkey-dorey here in Canada. The Conservatives kept telling me there was no problem here in Canada. Did Finance Minister Jim Flaherty and the PM finally get their collective heads out of the sand and realize they have to act. What a pathetic bunch. Anyone, even the Green Party could do a better job than the current govt. I wish we had the Progressive Conservative party back again so we could vote for a party that had some vision and compassion. This reform party in sheep's clothing is just not cutting it. 18 Billion on a stupid war where our brave troops are dying in vain, this is worst than any sponsorship scandal and now 25B. No one can now doubt that we are in a recession and we we'll be going into deficit big time because the govt spent like there was no tomorrow over the past three years, reduced the GST therefore losing any flexibility it had to deal with financial difficulies. Sad times with Sad-Sack Conservative leadership.


Michelle
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I experience an *INTENSE* wave of revulsion every time I am exposed to the demonic vibe exuded by Flaherty - it is a sense of being VIOLATED by bad energy.

Flaherty is possibly even more evil than Harper.



Michael (Ottawa)
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Niagara Free advice:
Your free advice is worth it's price - NOTHING.

Harper has done an excellent job keeping our economy on track.

This injection of liquidity is a good thing. It will ensure or economy remains solvent and our goods and services keep moving so we don't bog down like other countries.

We have are approaching the 'capitulation' phase in the markets where investors throw in the towel and bottom out. At that point its becomes an uphill trend climb after that. That phase we don't know how long it will take but the panic will be gone and these crazy down days will also be gone.

The US bailout money hasn't found its way into the economies of the US and others so naturally stability hasn't been achieved just yet.

We all need to stay calm - we are getting there slowly.

Calm is good.

(former paid advisor now retired)




Michelle
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How come they find 25 billion so easily when the banks want money but when people are dying from cancer we can't find a few million to purchase the diagnostic equiptment needed for early detection and treatment?




Michele
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Prime Minister Harper is correct- the CDN economy is basically sound, I have just returned from living in USA for 1 year and compared to it, we are booming up here. There are no folks in the USA buying anything other than groceries in Walmart USA- the essentials, no one is spending anything.

I would'nt vote for a Liberal who does'nt speak English well enough for me to understand and basically has the interests of Quebec before the rest of Canada.


FRANK FROM SCARBOROUGH
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This is a good move by Flaherty, stabilizing the lending industry including banks is good for all Canadians, whether they need to borrow or invest. This will help to ease the impact of the U.S. banking crisis on ordinary Canadians.


Mark M
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These are SECURED mortgages folks, their is NO risk here. It's brilliant, the banks get 25 billion loosended up to allow for more freedom in lending. If you're going to whine about it, at least take economics 101 because if you think this is a bail out you are completely WRONG and don't know what you are talking about!


Nick in Gatineau
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Let see if I understand this correctly:

USA - 250 Million people - $ 700 Billion.

Canada - 30 Million people - $ 75 Billion so far (Including the latest $ 25 Billion). $ 9 Billion to go ( $ 84 Billion) to reach the same percentage of the US Bailout.

Why are they injecting cash into a system that is said to be the safest and the best in the world ?

You can take a piece of crap, paint it gold and call it gold, but in the end, it is still a piece of crap with gold paint on it.

The Canadian Government is Bailing out Banks.


Dale
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Oh Oh!


Jonathan
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The money comes from CMHC. When people get a mortgage with little money down they pay a premium to insure the mortgage incase of default. The money is coming from the fund. It is not coming from any taxpayer, just people who got a mortgage with little down. So relax and vote conservative! Or, read the whole article insetad of the headline.


Nicole
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Why can't the banks such as the Royal Bank use their billion dollar profits they make to bail themselves out.
The Royal Bank of Canada reported record net income of $4.7 billion for the year 2006, up 40 per cent from 2005. That's the highest annual profit any Canadian bank has ever reported.
This year...Royal Bank of Canada's first-quarter profit is $1.25 billion...do the math that would be 5 Billion!!!!!

They are all crooks!


Hanley
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But the government kept telling us there was no problem.

Who was asleep at the wheel?


CROSS
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No problem man…the banks lost a “nickel” so we pay to cover their butts…but me?
Bite it…he says.
Got hit hard on the market…I think I’ll cash in some of my bad stock so I can buy some new bad stock at a low price.
Caveman logic…see the big “S” (stupid) on my forehead?
Where did we find this man?

CROSS



Bob H fr Petawawa
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I guess that's why the Allies went to war, so that they could give everyone the right of freedom of speech. But I for one will be REAL glad when this election, and the US election will be over. I'm sick and tired of everyone SLAMMING each other and acting like a bunch of spoiled kids (political adds). They're especially as bad when they're in the House of Commons arguing, in front of the camera. Oh to be able to live far away from all this arguing. Maybe the osterich had a good idea. To live in seclusion, hmm. Anyways that my say!


Matt Brulotte
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Welcome to BLACK FRIDAY 2008!


Kathy
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Well done Prime MInister Harper to have a plan that unfolds as events unfold. (If you publicize your emergency plans, you reduce their impact in an emergency and we are in an emergency.) This government is ready and able to defend our economy. They are not panicking as the opposition parties are. Dion and Layton think that panic = a plan! In reality panic = creating more panic. If the PM had looked like he was panicking, the markets in Canada would be panicking even more.

People need to distinguish between the stock market and the banking system. A survey released Thursday said that Canada's bamks are the strongest in the world. We should rejoice at this. (We can worry about greed later Mr Layton, we need to get through this crisis first.) The IMF on Thursday said that Canada is the strongest economy in the G7. CTV reports that over 100,000 jobs were created in Canada during September. Let's keep on this track. Canada is strong and we should be pleased, worried yes, but definitely not panicking. The current financial problems originate outside of our borders and are largely beyond Canadian control - we need to let events unfold and then react appropriately taking defensive action.

It is imperative that calm is maintained - Mr Layton sounds like he wants a run on our banks - shame on him! Likewise Mr Dion is advocating panic in an attempt to promote his political ambitions. Shame on him too - if he succeeds he will have damaged the economy for his selfish aims.

I hope Canadians draw strength and hope from Canada's ability to weather this storm - let's not panic - this can do much more damage.


John W.
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Our system is safe because regulation have made it safe ranked not by Canada ranked by a monetary funds that has no involvement with Canada and no reason to name it number 1.

But if you want to keep credit flowing in a frozen credit crisis world wide, you have to keep the credit going pure economics and I am an economic student.

Do you want to go get a mortgage with a good job and the bank tells you that they can't lend you the money every thing in the world is based on credit 89% of people don't have the cash to buy a big a investment without credit you have to spend money to make money you have all heard that saying.



Phil
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What's that smell in the Tory campaign? Panic? Flaherty has given 25 billion to a system Stevie says is fine. I guess Steve is ready to fight right to the last drop of our blood.


Ian from N.B.
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So Harper and Flaherty tell us our economy is strong and then proceed to perform a bailout? What kind of doublespeak is this? More of the same is what it is.


ML
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Tom,
These posts are not blaming you or your workmates for working in oil, far from it. You guys still ensure the economy turns here in Canada. You guys don't set the prices. The fact is and remains however, as JR very accuratelly points out, money is finite, and this for the big majority or low and middle class in this country of hours. This generation has always been known to spend every cent we have, we tak emore risk, more confident. In this context, when gaz cost doubles in 5 years, there is something else in the economy (canada's) we are not bying. Credit kept this going for a little while (life supprt), but Canadians, smart, woke up, added up, and the CA economy has and is slowing down. jobs will continue in the big trend to trickle down, (despite, the confusing ups and downs recently reported). Not much of the gaz money gets to the gov (tax and the pump, and income Tx from high numbers of associated gaz workers). All the rest (majority) goes from your pocket, through the pump,directly in the pocket of these companies, owned by a few shareholders. The governement has to pick and choose, it is time for leadership. I am almost certain none of them have what it takes. The oil companies will continue to exploit, its to profitable, you will all keep your jobs. It is just about however for them to get a good kick in the head, OPEC,and us, and take the fare share, and leave their greed away from the poor or average canadian.


Dave - Moncton
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Who do you think 'SECURED' these mortgages? No Risk--wake up. When more people start losing their jobs then things will get interesting.

To those Liberals who are going on about the cost of the war...DONT FORGET WHO PUT US THERE! At least the conservatives give our guys better equipment to COME HOME ALIVE!

The Liberal Plan to save the economy & the enviroment is a new tax...YIKES!


REECE
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Chris from Ontario; I don't think you appreciate the gravity of the situation. This is not about confidence. The bank collapse is a result of the middle class being picked off one by one to outsourcing in the USA. The banks can't loan money to poor people & are losing money and consequently they can't even give you a decent rate of return on your RRSP's because of Flaherty's interest rate cut. The only impact with the cut is making banks a little more wealthier. Are you confident enough about your job that you'll now take out a big car loan? So then how is it that you came to believe what Harper has done was a positive thing for the economy when everybody else is becoming concerned about their jobs? People have to live within their means & that would include cutting up their credit cards & stop taking out loans, and capitalism thrives only when you spend more - banks don't make money with responsible people, they make money from people who are forced to borrrow. If there are no borrowers then they lose. The jobless in America & the underpaid & underemployed are becoming the majority.

My share prices have dropped 50% & I've maxed out my RRSP contributions yet Flaherty is punishing me by giving me a lower rate of return. How will that make my retirement more secure?

There is no rebound unless we have "the talk" with our outsourcing industry & tell them enough is enough. China won't like it but hey, it's evident that capitalism needs a major over-haul. Mr Harper has no clue what to do and I only say that because of his interest rate cut...it's just so naive & gives ignorant people the impression he's doing something that'll work.


RT
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I am incensed and sick to my stomach in regards to this announcement. I tell you what, its absolute BS. Once again, the government flagrantly throws away the money that was made on the backs of middle class Canadians! The banks make money hand over fist on interact fees and are laughing at us all the way to the bank. Send a message to that American Puppet Harper, kick his butt out of Parliament!!!


Anne Ottawa
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giving them tons of money to encourage banks to lower rates? what alot of rhetoric and what a fantasyland! if I was handing out that kind of coin to someone I would get something in writing, some understanding of what they would do in return and it would have to be pretty concrete. the banks have already shown bad faith by only lowering the rate a quarter percent when the B of C lowered it half a percent. am I missing something here?


Jonathan
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People, stop panicking. Take a deep breath, and let's look at some facts. Out unemployment rate is low. Our groth in 2009 will lead the G7 countries, we have one of the most solid banking systems in the world. Yes, the stock market is going down, but that is because Canada is resource and commodity dependant, as the global ecomony slows so will companies that deal with commodities. The best plan is to be diversified, and stay the course. The stock market will rebound, but it won't until the global ecomony gets back on track. The United States is a mess, and it is likely to feel a lot more pain in the coming years. There is another ticking time bomb in the US called "Option ARMS" which allowed the mortagee pick their payment. In many cases these folks were only paying the interest, and now with home values falling they will eventually be reset and the mortgage will be more than the value of their home. So it is not over yet. Is this Stephen Harper's fault? Of course not. Is Harper and the Conservatives doing the right thing? Yes they are. A year ago they said the ecomony would slow in the coming year and that is why the last budget was rather conservative. We still have a government surplus, corporate and individual taxes are low. If we stay the course we will be as good as we can be. If we switch governments and bring in new taxes and complicated schemes that will do nothing for the environment then we will feel a lot of pain.


GPG
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I've just finished paying off my own mortgage; now I get to contribute to someone else's. Also, I can't wait to see the banks post their 3rd quarter profits - how badly do they really need that $25 billion anyway???


les
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if the banks are so sound why do the goverment need to bur 20billion in mortgages from them i'd say it's a bail out


LDL- Southwestern ONT
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Okay, what I know about economics you could fit into a thimble. However I can read. The money isn't a gift to the banks, we get it back folks, relax.


very concerned citizen
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How much is this going to cost the average tax payer Mr. Flaherty? Don't panic? Talk about flip flopping. We need a new government and the Cons have conned us again and again. I have never been so embarrassed to be a Canadian on the world stage. We are not leaders, we have become followers. VOTE LIBERAL


Steve in Aylmer
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The ground under the sea just moved. Get set for the impending tsunami.

Follow the signs to this trickle down economics disaster.

That my friends is the first sign to our worst fears.

I love how the stay calmm, be brave, outlookers but sometimes you have to see the facts for what they are...we`re in trouble.


Nick in Gatineau
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Blurring the lines by saying that it comes out of their revenue is a croc.

CMHC is a government agency. The employees are paid from taxpayers' money. Their pension comes from the Government pension plan. Their revenues are from Taxpayers' money.

The administration of these Mortgages will cost Taxpayers' money. No matter how one tries to disguise it.

It just goes to show that government hasn't understood the concept of self-suffiency which is, the ultimate efficency standard for government. Self-sufficiency = lower taxes. Otherwise, they simply obtain the revenues from somewhere else like say hiking the price of passports (should go down instead of up because there are going to be much more produced).


Dd
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WAIT A MINUTE...didn't Flaherty say the other day that there would be NO bailouts?????

Another Con lie.

ABC


Chris
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I just want to ask people, specifically those in the MAIN STREAM MEDIA, are you sure the word 'BUY' isn't supposed to be the word 'INVEST'???

From what I understood from Mr. Flarety is that this was to be an investment, not a buyout!!!


Dave
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For all you guys on the stock market:
Since Harper told us to buy stocks, the market has dropped another 1000 points! Great way to lose money!
Some economist!


VOTE ABC FROM CAPE BRETON
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Funny how all this money pops out a mere 4 days before the election. Willing to bet if Mini Bush gets re-elected the money will suddenly be unatanable and our economy will fall apart!


Jenna
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OMW, yesterday we heard how great our banking system is and today we see this giveaway to prop it up?? This is definitely not good. On a per capita basis, and compared to the USA, this is a huge amount for Canada to be spending on something that has been PROVEN NOT TO WORK. I would love to know where these billions of dollars are actually going. What will central banks do when all the world's printing presses start creaking and finally break down? Then they'll have to face the facts and let things sort themselves out without government "rescue", which is what they should have done a long time ago, then we wouldn't be in this freakin' mess. Constantly bailing out every crybaby out there simply compounds the problem. Once you start bailing out a sinking boat you can't stop - and it'll sink regardless. Don't tell me this is the start of a long line of bailouts like in the USA. There's something about Fridays... and October... God help us.


Rick MIddleton
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Were our banks in so dire of straights that they needed what equates to a bailout? Unfortunately, given the timing of this move, it will be seen by most as a political manouver to garner votes.


Dave in Quebec
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To Michele,"I wouldn't vote for a liberal leader who doesn't speak English well enough" Shame on you for such a statement.I live in Quebec as an English Quebecker and could easily say I won't vote for Harper because his French makes me cringe.This is not about language it's about truth and transparency, qualities Mr. Harper is lacking in.You are what gives the separtists a reason to exist.I have 2 Grand aughters that converse back and forth in french and english with as much ease as a hot knife going through butter.They are 6 & 4 years old and show far more maturity than you or anyone else who discriminates against language.


Breezin
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My God $25B!! It just shows you how far the Tories are willing to go for an election win. I doubt it will have a lasting effect on the market other than delaying a bottoming-out. We need to have a bottom so things can improve.


sean in calgary
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... no cost to taxpayers. and that's from an independent economist. ...

Wendy in Montreal
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I'm just starting a business and I am terribly afraid Dion will win the election and if he does I might as well fold up and maybe go on welfare. I cannot afford any more additional expenses or taxes. Times are hard enough as it is for me now. When you are an older individual it is difficult to find a job so I'm extremely worried. We have a Prime Minister and in my opinion he has done a great job and it's why I decided to open my business in the first place. Thanks to all those canadians who want to play monopoly with vote dividing to keep Prime Minister Harper from getting a mandate that he absolutely should be given.
Great work canadians!


Layton B in Moncton NB
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Whoa!Whoa!Whoa! I thought the other day the Conservatives said there was no need for a bail out. Well this certainly smells like a bail-out to me. Again I ask, are Stephen Harper and Flaherty lying to us about the exposure our banking industry has to the sub-prime market and other shakier financial markets, or are they incompetent? Has anyone here read the Green Shift? I have and this is a plan that will keep Canada's economy moving. Shifting taxation to pollution and away from income is forward looking and different, different scares a lot of people. Renewables are the future economy and Dion's Green Shift addresses that fact. Moving away from fossil fuel dependence will give us energy security going forward while easing the blow of climate change and future (present?) Peak Oil. Green infrastructure investment and manufacturing investment is an economic driver, not a job killer. We should be growing our manufacturing sector, and the Dion plan calls for that as well as business tax cuts. Its not more tax, it's a different way of taxing. I am voting Dion and Liberal. My decision has been made, c'mon Tuesday!!!


Richard
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This money comes from CMHC. It is insurance that home owners pay when they take out a mortgage with little down. They pay the premium, not the tax payer. It is there for this very reason. This is not money that would be used for anything else. Calm down people! Some folks are defaulting on their mortgages, so they are getting reimbursed from the insurance policy. Just like we would be reimbursed from the CDIC if a bank failed. It is NOT TAX DOLLARS.


tony
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$25B to held out banks with bad morgages!!! Its not my fault that banks invested poorly why should my tax dollars go towards that. It will just end up in some rich guys pocket. just like the 700B the US put in the stock market where did all the money go????


George
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To Bob H

I quite agree with your comments. I for one would love to show up in the house some day and stand up and tell the members to answer the questions and stop acting for the cameras. I know the security boys would be right there but then a simple comment of "You guys work for me and I want you children to sit down and behave yourselves." If we as Canadians did that more often to our politicians then maybe something useful would actually get done. At least we would have some adults running things in Ottawa.


Paul
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The World Economic
forum just gave Canada number one spot in the world for secure banks ... so relax. The sell off of TSX stocks is virtually all by international and US funds that need the cash. On the whole, Canada is on more solid footing than any other Western country.


Bob C
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Good move but why now? Mr Harper has been saying all along that our economy is in great shape and that nothing had to be done. Now, just four days before a federal election and with the Conservatives falling in the polls, Mr. Harper and the boys decide to move. blatant opportunism


Cut the BS
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There is not a country on this planet that can predict what will happen next, our current government is doing really well despite all the crap from the other parties about what they would do vote them in and we will all be paying for that mistake for a really long time. The Harper platform is what we are currently seeing manage/govern the country and from all indications it has been and is doing well, compared to most other countries.


Dan Palmateer
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Re: Government buys $25 billion in mortgage debt.

This ridiculous plan rewards speculative behaviour. These mortgages should simply be defaulted and the houses connected to them placed back on the open market to bring down the artificially high price that currently exist,due to speculation, in Canada's housing market. The banks have been making sufficient profits for many years and they do not need to feed at the public trough now.


Michelle
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So now when and if people default on their mortgages if we hit a hard recession with job losses then the money won't be there to cover bad debt because they used the money to encourage more folks to take on debt when we are almost assuredly headed for a recession and job losses. Genius.


Brenda Knutson
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Brenda K - Edmonton
My vote is still with the Conservatives! Harper may seem like he is being nonchalant about the economy, he's a thinker and doesn't spout off about things like the "Gas Carbon Tax"!!! That's ludicris. If anyone watched the debate they know that Harper was attacked by both the Liberals and the NDP and Green Party but he didn't get flustered by the attacks. He was calm cool and collected and explained his position calmly. I would rather have a calm thinker leading us versus a leader who spouts off about putting us into more debt. Ya, they are spending money to help the lending companies, but its better they do it "Now" instead of waiting until things get worse down the line. If you are wanting to change any money into something, go with the Royal Bank Federal Bonds. Federal Bonds and GICs seem to be still paying a dividend! I"ve been losing money continually with my LIRA and at least with putting them into Federal Bonds I will still receive at least 3.5-4% instead of losing money!!!


Lane
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Clearly the Conservatives are the only party that can manage our economy in a period of global difficulty. An independent report yesterday said Canada's banks are the soundest in the world. Statistics Canada says we have just shattered a record for job growth. The IMF says Canada will lead the developed world in economic growth for the next year. Now the Conservatives have taken solid steps to shore up the credit market.


Morgan
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Call it stabilization or bailout, but the bottom line is that our money is being used to prop up Canadian banks, which are supposed to be the most stable in the world. This is essentially a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich, socialism for the wealthy. These are the very same institutions that despite record profits could not see fit to pass on to Canadians the interest rate cuts they received (when most banks in the industrialized world did so for their customers). And now we are expected to give them more of our money?

It always amazes me how (c)Conservatives are willing to use public funds/ state intervention to support banks and oil companies, but scorn the idea of the state helping those in need. Great values! Hopefully, this will help to encourage the ABC (Anything but Conservative) vote.


FreakAlert
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Right! As if the fundamentals are there! ...



Exiled Canadian
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Once again, the left looks to spin good news into gloom and doom. As I noted in another story, the left WANTS the economy to collapse and Canadians to suffer so they score political points.

As Mark M pointed out these are SECURED mortgages which means there is NO RISK. But the left chooses to ignore chief economists and others that say this is a win-win situation for EVERYONE.

Michelle, health care is in the provincial jurisdiction even though the feds give money to the provinces. When you add up everything, the feds account of 37% of all provincial health care spending (over 30 billion dollars) but it is up to the provinces to determine how that money is spent.

What I am horrified at seeing here is how so many people don't know how the Canadian economy works, and how many more will do say anything (and wish will ill on their fellow citizens) to score political points:

If the conservatives do something, Harper is in panic mode. If they do nothing, they're denying reality of the crisis. To the left, there is no way to give credit where credit is due. THAT is the sign of an ideology in panic mode.

The fact is that they have done everything right and have dealt with these messes with perfect timing. The numerous reports in recent days from various non-partican organizations show just that. Canada is in the best shape of all the G7 facing this global problem despite the fact that we are the biggest trading partner to the country that started it in the first place. That in itself speaks volumes. BTW, BOTH the Dems (by forcing banks to loan to non-qualified individuals) and GOP (by not sounding the alarm more forcefully) caused this mess.


Tom Hawley
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Stay calm people we need to only pay roughly $800 per to cover this $25B.My family(wife plus 3 boys) about $4,000.If this is calm I would hate to see what Harper calls panic.
What ever happened to not bailing out banks? Word it what you will .It is a bailout.
As for the comment towards Dion's english ,I am not prejudice towards ones language.I could care less if our PM does not speak english as clear as others might.This will come.The same goes for a PM that needs to learn to speak better french.
I am more concerned as to what they brought and will bring after the election.So far Dion has been honest (having a platform)and having the courage to give people his vision.
Harper told us no bailouts.No new taxes.
Who will pay for this government infusion?
Very good you and I.TAXES!


Paul
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Harper was dead on about buying opportunities in stocks. This is a once in a lifetime chance to buy grossly undervalued, but solid, stocks. For 3 weeks now, well before Harper's comments, many good stocks have bottomed at levels far below their fundamentals. The next 6 months will be the shopping spree of a lifetime for those who have brains and a bit of cash. Those who crow and moan, on the other hand, will lose ... as they always do.

Further, the 24 billion is an investment. I'm surprised how ignorant so many are as to what the government just did. A short course in finance would stop a lot of (ABC) tongues from wagging.


Jimbo
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They must be buying all those zero down 40 year mortgages that CMHC insures. These are Canada's sub-prime mortgages.
Now we have 5% down 35 year mortgages which are almost as bad. I hope they rethink offering these as well.



J.C.
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It is a good thing that Mr. Harper and Mr. Flaherty are handling the money for Canada!!!
The comments I have read here just go to show how many people are ignorant to how the economy works, and how they buy into the doom and gloom theories of the Liberals and NDP.
Our TAXES ARE NOT PAYING for this,The money is just being transferred so that the banks will lighten up with their credit to keep things flowing well. However if Layton or Dion get elected YOU CAN COUNT on YOUR TAXES GOING UP AND HAVING A LOT LESS INCOME TO WORK WITH!!! Have some faith in your current leaders people and stop listening to all the rhetoric of the opposition who only want to buy your votes. Did you not hear how Dion stumbled when asked about the economy recently? HE DOESN'T seem to KNOW!!!! He will rely on his "team" to hopefully get him through as he does not have the knowledge himself. Is this who you want as a leader???


Dave in Que.
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So 1 day after the banks hold back half of the interest rate reduction they are punished by this government by being rewarded with 25 billion of tax payers money.Great leadership there by the repub oops I mean Conservatives


IT
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Bush Jr (Harper) and Paulson Jr (creepy Flaherty) assured all of us that we were OK...
Everything is fine. We are not the US, we have rules for our banks. We will not be in recession, all is sound.
That was 3 days ago.
Today, bank bailout.
Flaherty and the CONServatives introduced that 0 down 40 to life mortgage sentence.
It's their fault.
Now we all pay.

Wait to see home prices go down 20% in a year from now.
A bloodbath in the making...


SF
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Are you kidding me?!! Didn't the Cons just say that they wouldn't be bailing our banks out, which is essentially what this stunt accomplishes?! First we're told our economy is sound, even though there is a global recession. Then we're told that the Canadian government won't be buying anyone out. Can you say flip-flop? How are we supposed to have any faith in the Cons as financial managers when they switch gears every single day? I loathe the Libs and would never cast a vote for them, but at least they kept us out of debt, with huge surpluses every year. If Canadians want our economy managed in a prudent and sound manner, ABC is clearly the way to go. Flaherty put ON $6 billion in debt before the provincial Cons were kicked out - what's it going to take to get rid of them at the federal level? How much are we going to let this incompetent, irresponsible party sink us into economic chaos? Harper says "don't panic" today, will we be hearing "okay, panic" tomorrow?


Conservative Flaherty doesn't understand economics
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Legendary investor Jim Rogers warned during a CNBC interview this morning that global central banks are creating the environment for an inflationary holocaust by their ceaseless overprinting of currency, a measure that isn’t even successful in stabilizing the stock market.

Rogers said that the only solution to the market crisis was to let failing banks and speculators go bankrupt and stop pumping endless amounts of liquidity into the system, labeling it outrageous that responsible investors and taxpayers are being made to bail out crooks on Wall Street.

“The way to solve this problem is to let people go bankrupt,” Rogers stressed, “All of this pumping money into the system is not going to save it - see what the market is saying, it’s saying we don’t buy that, let people go bankrupt,” he added.

“Then you will hit bottom and then you start over. The people who are sound will take over the assets from the people who aren’t sound and we will start over. This is the way the world has worked for a few thousand years,” said Rogers.


Steve McQueen
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Hmmm....

1. Canada's banks rated safest in the world according to a report by the World Economic Forum

2. Canada gains a record 107,000 jobs in September

3. Manufacturing jobs rose by 1% or roughly 20,000

4. Government eliminates 100% mortgage financing and 40 year term mortgages

5. Government to purchase $25 billion dollars worth of mortgage debt from the banks in order to increase lending to business and consumers (first Conservative promise to be more than a billion dollars)

I really wish Harper would stop saying Canada's economy is so stable.


eric
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I'm not sure why a bailout is needed. The Canadian lending industry is much different than the American counterpart. I was under the impression that it was a much tougher industry up here. No credit checks, 125% financing, cash backs are all American phenomena.

If the bailout is needed, please justify it. If it is just to help the banks, their billions of dollars of annual profits should be more than enough to see them through "tough times".

Let the banks stand on their own two feet the same way I do when times are tough.


Conservatives spending to assuage panic
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Bam. Conservatives panic when Dion moves up in polls and $25 billion gets allocated. Bam.





Moe
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...Whatever it takes to bash Mr. Harper. If they provide no monies to stabalize the economy they are bad, now they provide those same monies and it is a hardship on the taxpayers. My Lord, this is nothing compared to the hardships Dion's Green Shaft, voodoo economy plan he would implement. I shudder if we didn't have Mr. Harper at the helm.


Kevin(BrockU)
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This coming a day after a report said that Canada's banks are the most sound in the world which had every conservative in this country up on their high horse... Well, glory can only last so long, apperently, only one day long.

Vote ABC


JonathanNB
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What scares me is that people who are obviously unformed and know very little about economics are getting ready to essentially roll the dice on the future of this great country. The events that have unfolded over the past few weeks are not Stephen Harper's fault. Be careful with your vote, and I suggest reading the platform of each party before you do. You may be surprised at the radical things that some of the left leaning parties want to do.


Conservatives bumbling and stumbling
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Harper yapped about the economy being in great shape a week ago in the TV debate . . . but now Flaherty has to help the banks cover up their over-valued assets.




Mojo
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Jim Flaherty this is a bailout no matter what you call it. What side of your mouth are you going to speak from next. If the economy isn't hurting or effected why is so much of our money being given to the banks. We need someone we can trust Not Jim Flaherty. Time to give him the boot.


Bill
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Thank heavens most of the respondents to this article are not in government. I do not see much wisdom about financial matters or understanding of economics let alone the fiscal reality of our country. Money used to switch mortgages from banks to CMHC is a no cost move. I believe when Don Drummond speaks well of it he knows a great deal more about the ins and outs of the situation that any of us do.

Harper may not be perfect but he sure beats the options at this point. Dion cannot even answer questions without using canned phrases and statements and Layton??? ... enough said.


Count your blessings
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Count your blessings people. Thanks to Stephen Harper and the Conservatives we ARE in a stronger position than most other countries in the world.

Yes, we are going to be knocked around - we are part of a global economy and the pain of others is going to be our pain to some extent because they won't be buying as much from us. But open your eyes and look around - look at BBC.COM for example and see how England and Scotland, and other European countries are being knocked around much worse than we are or will be.

Count your blessings and be thankful we have Harper and Flaherty at this difficult time.


Bert in Kelowna
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I am really starting to hate the comments from individuals representing their so called political parties. You represent the extreme ,why don,t you leave us ordinary people to read comments that based on truth. Man will I be glad when these dam elections are over. We live in a beautiful country called Canada, if you woke up this AM you are already ahead of the game.You can,t take the money with you when you die folks. When the government does nothing you bitch,and when they do something you still bitch.I for one will stop reading these posts,you lefty,s,Con,s NDP,s Greens are making me sick of your lies.....goodbye..good ridens


Moe
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My God, the panic in people. I am ashamed of all of you who are panicking, fear for the sake of fear. Take a deep breath and relax. You have by now read that Canada will lead the G7 in growth, you have now read that the IMF states that Canada has the strongest banking system in the World....we are going to be just fine and come out of this even stronger. I for one am relaxed, if only you clowns don't believe in Layton and Dion and drive consumer confidence down for the sake of fear. I am looking forward to the good deals out there and I see prices are dropping. Looking at a plasma TV right now, very cool :)


Don in Calgary
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For socialists comparing Harper to Bush. Maybe Bush should have talked to Harper 2 years ago and got the idea to have the US government to buy up US mortgages then millions of americans would still be in thier homes. Especially Taliban Jack should be rejoicing that the Harper is ensuring the people still have a kitchen table for the average canadian to talk around. If I had a mortgage now and my job wasn't secure, I would sleep better knowing Harper not a bank held my mortgage.


Larry L
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First Mr. Harper told us there's going to be a slowdown in economic activity next year (2008), but don't worry I'm doing a good job. Then, when the muck started to hit the fan, he told us it's a problem in the US, don't worry I'm doing a good job. When it became clear that the fan was spreading that muck across the world, he told us he had made our "fundamentals" secure, don't worry I'm still doing a good job. When the drops in the stock market affected many Canadians' savings, he told us we should buy more stocks, don't worry my Mom lets me know what's going on. Now, were being told that the banks need more money so they can lend it out to companies that haven't the foresight to have enough cash on hand to pay their employees and for individuals to continue their lavish life styles, but don't worry getting further in debt will help the economy.

Isn't excessive debt what caused the problem in the first place. And, now, Misters Harper and Flaherty are indicating even more debt will solve the problem. C'mon now, get back to the drawing board but, first, remind yourself that you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of time.




Michael
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THINK BEFORE YOU ACT

OK for everyone reading this relax and breath a little. The credit crisis in the states was caused by questionable mortgage practices, which lead to complex financial derivatives, which allowed companies to leverage themselves massively in order to place bets on risky mortgage backed securities.

Canadian banks have not partaken in such risky activities, or at least not to the same extent as in the states.

With the credit crisis in the states and now across the globe, available borrowings for companies, including banks, has pretty much frozen and companies, including Canadian banks, are going to feel a credit crunch where they don't have as much cash at their disposal as they used to, and thus will tighten up their lending in order to stay on the conservative side of things.

A canadian bank holds mortgages in the asset account of its balance sheet, because people owe them money. For the most part, because of our financial prudence, these are secured and priced appropriately for their risk.

By buying these ASSETS, the Canadian government is not losing in NET WORTH. We are spending $25B in cash for $25B in assets.

The effects of this are such that overtime, the government will receive repayment of those mortgages by their holders... giving us back our $25B in cash.

Right now, this frees up a lot of money for the Canadian financial system, meaning they won't have to tighten up their lending, which means that more money will be available to Canadians that need it, personally or for business, which in turn means we will likely not feel as much effect from the economic slowdown as we may have otherwise.

Please think things through before you make rash judgements.

VOTE CONSERVATIVE


Ian
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I believe that Canadians really don't think that Harper has done poorly on the economy, and the proof is there that he has not. The rest of the world has told us that Canada has the best economy and the soundest banking system in the world, but the media has not trumpeted this at all. The Liberals are the ones without a plan, as is obvious with Dion's latest interview. It seems to me that Canadians are basically socialist people that whine and complain about our high taxes and government waste, but don't fully exercise their democratic rights by doing anything about it. In 2006 in the wake of the sponsorship scandal, Canadians didn't even vote in a Conservative majority. Sure Quebec came over to the Tories a little bit, but that was because they, for the moment, were willing to give them a try. But even after everything Harper has done for Quebec, they now feel slighted and are going back to the Liberals and the Blockheads beacause Harper wanted to cut funding to the Arts! The Conservatives have to fight a constant uphill battle against 4 opposition parties as well as the obviously socialist media so what chance do they have. They could balance the budget, cut income taxes to the bone, create a million jobs, but they would still have this so called hidden agenda that they want to bring back the death penalty or legalise abortion, make Canada the 51st State, or to throw all young offenders in jail. So I have no illusions that Canada will ever see another Conservative majority in my lifetime because the people of Canada are staunchly committed to a left leaning socialist ideology.


Basic Economics 101
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The qiestion was posed - why now.

Simple there is a lot of transborder flow of finances and in light of recent events liquidity is still an issue because that 700 billion hasn't made its way into the flow as yet so our country is preempting any slowdown by keeping lots of liquidity in the hands of our banks. It is a wise and prudent move. It isn't a bailout because they aren't buying bad mortgages they are exchanging secured mortgages for cash to the banks to lend.

It really is very simple and a great idea to keep us ahead of the pack.

That combined with our lower dollar will keep manufacturing going longer and stronger.


Dayton
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Working families need this assurance right now so they don't lose their jobs,homes and credit cards. I hope Jack and the Liberals are not going to spin this in to another fear mongering tactic. I for one am getting sick of that attitude! ...

Vic Leutschaft from Dryden
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After weeks of maintaining that our banks are sound and well capitalized, why would Finance Minister Flaherty announce NOW that he's using 25 billion of tax payers money to bail out the banks? It appears that the Conservatives are following their friend Bush's bailout plan because they don't have one of their own. Why wasn't this mentioned in the recently released Tory platform? Are the Conservatives running scared and trying to use tax payers money to buy votes. Let's see, 25 billion for the bank bailout and 10 billion overspent on the Afghan mission. Does this spell DEFICIT?


A Real IT Manager from Calgary
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Now here is a plan by the Conservatives. They rightly are keeping their heads and remaining calim while Dion and Layton are spouting nonsense about doomsday. But then again, Dion has a "Plan to make a plan" idea. LOL


MaggieB, Alberta
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"The fundamentals of the economy are sound." Hmmm, then why the bailout?

Let's see: we rank no. 1 globally in our banking institutions; our unemployment rate is low; we continue with economic growth. One plus one doesn't equal two here folks.

Do you really think the big banks are going to reduce the interest rate? Nope. Big banks are smiling and are in for an opulent Thanksgiving weekend.



Wade - Lets Vote to Keep working
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Time to dump Dion

107,000 job and this good prudent step.

We are on the right track only a Green Shift Carbon Tax would kill our jobs and I mean your job and your sisters job and some of your friends.


Yves Beauchamp
said
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The Liberals may have cost every taxpayer a buck or two, through ineptitude and loopholing, but this is unprecedented incompetence! Let's re-elect the Liberal thieves and kick the Conservative liars and cheats out of office. Its a better way ahead.


Kevin Okrainec from Medicine Hat, Alberta
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The govenment is saying that our banking system is so strong but why is our dollar continuing to fall?

Can someone explain to me why our dollar continues to fall in relation to the American dollar when they appear to be just making money for the sake of making money and they are big time in debt up to their eye balls (the wars and the 700B buyout).

From a layman's point of view you would think that the American dollar should be falling big time in comparison to the Loonie and other currency with all their debt but it continues to climb!


Metro Man
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Everyday I say we should outlaw short selling so big investors do not make enormous profits when people are panicking. Sometimes from rumours these big investors encourage.


RAV
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It appears that the people of Canada are seeing capable financial management at a time when the rest of the world is in crisis. The plan announced by Finance Minister Flaherty is a measured response to the problem. It is the governments responsibility to protect this country's own economy, including jobs, and existing investments. This can be done by ensuring liquidity in the banking system.

Mark M and Jonathon are two of the few who seem to really understand what is happening to the banking system. The magnitude of the world wide crisis seems to have been underestimated by all countries including Canada. The crisis was initiated when the American government allowed unsupported credit into its banking system. Any country dealing with the Americans has had a negative reaction on its own economy.

Canada's banking system is the nation's modulator for controlling the flow of money in and out of the economy. This is liquidity. The Bank of Canada and CMHC are tools used by government in the regulation process. Due to the nervousness in the world wide economy, protection for real assets has become prominent. Investments made on credit are the first to be affected. Thus credit dries up, the stock market value goes down, etc. When credit is not available (particularly for major purchases housing, autos, etc.) the backlash is a loss of jobs which spirals downward and increases the magnitude of the problem. Since the USA is in a recognized recession that will most likely become a depression, Canada, as its most significant trading partner, must be affected.

People who believe that the banks should be able to handle the problem from their own profits do not understand the system. These profits are either already lent out or returned to shareholders in the form of dividends. These profits are not available as a tool to address the current problem in the economy.


Gimme some money.
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You can call it "an investment."




R D
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I sure don't want read, hear or see ANYTHING about banks paying dividends for the next 3 years. I think if I do, I'm going to upchuck all over this computer screen. And I sure have to agree with J R, why in hell is gas selling for over $1.05/litre when oil is at $81.00/barrel. The Cdn oil barons here in Canada are equal to the CEOs of Fanny Mae & Freddy Mac in the US. Jail time, jail time.


Mark
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For those who think you're paying someone else debt with this money: Read the story! I work at a financial institution and there's a lot of overhead cost involved in lending money. The gov't just bought $25 billion in debt with NO OVERHEAD. This is a great investment made on our behalf by our gov't. We aren't buying junk loans here, these are low risk mortgages that are low risk, according to actual economists and not just doom seekers. Don't buy all the doom and gloom you see in the paper and on TV. Remember, they're trying to sell you a story.


Brett in Montréal
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More herd mentality from the CONS - Harper says all is fine and then injects all this money into the highly profitable banking system, the CONS spin things to make it seem like their plan (what plan?) and they are so much in panic mode it is ridiculous.The longer this campaign goes on the more you see how much smarter Dion and the Liberals are and that they are the right choice for the future of this great nation. No more flip flopping Harper and his cronies!


Hubba Bubba
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This is a complete waste of money. Canadian banks have very little exposure to the sub prime mess south of the border plus Canadian banks are hardly in dire straits. Please don't waste tax payers dollars saving the "poor" banks. If you want to spend $25 billion, how about health care, education, or infastructure? That would be money well spent.


Ex-Lib in SK
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The economy is resiliant thanks to Mr. Harper...give him the majority he deserves...


BC Bill
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Before this swindel was announced I had no idea who to vote for. But now that the big fat Rats have been released from their luxury cages, I have no doubt. Thank you Cronyservatives; I will vote Liberal. Go Dion Go! Fight for the little guy; Stick it to the Man!


Conservatives flipping and flopping.
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No bailouts.

Yes bailouts.

Economy sound.

Economy not sound.

Hide, Harper. Run and hide.


Shane Prpich
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REVOLT!

Now which stupid Canadian (Besides Flaherty)thinks we should be giving our insanely profitable banks 25 billion????

OMG the sky is falling and I am ANGRY!

SHAME!


Disturbed at Lack of Thought
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HELLO!
WAKE UP!
A LITTLE THOUGHT IN THIS WOULD HELP!
People need to realize the big picture all around.
The bailout is part of the worldwide chain-reaction caused/started by the states. (opinion of course)
We are just covering our butts (so to speak)Our economy is not as bad as the rest of the world but there is bleeding going on. Of course higher paying manufacturing jobs are being lost at an alarming rate. Go figure when other countries, such as the states can't buy from us when they have nothing. These jobs will return when the rest of the world becomes stable. With the bailout plans set out, I hope that things will change in the near future. If we as Canadians start supporting ourselves things will get better quicker.
If you need to buy a vehicle, buy Canadian built. Check which ones are actually built in Canada. There are Toyotas, Hondas and other foreign companies building in Canada along with Ford, Gm, and Chrysler, just check which models are built here. SUPPORT YOUR NEIGHBORS.
Buy local produce, meats, and prepared foods. If we buy from ourselves, we will survive.
I for one do not trust any government in any way but will vote for the less evil of all.
The government in power needs to look at the "GREENER WAY OF LIFE", not to tax-but assist in creating affordable alternates to everyday life's requirements.
The government will also need to find ways to attract manufactures to Canadian soil and we as Canadians need to stop trying to push these companies into financial difficulties by asking for more money all the time. Again this becomes a chain-reaction when employees ask for more money at one factory because the product at another has gone up in price for the same reason.



Don in Calgary
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I remember when we in Alberta had a Don Getty leading us during the NEP meltdown. He decided to pend his way out of the recession. When Ralph Klein took over with a mandate to get us out of debt we had a mortgage of $25+ billion which was to take 25 years to pay off. So a mistake like the green shift could do the same a destroy our ability to deal wit the upcoming climate change. As a point of interest, Enviremantal scientists say, Canada will benefit from a warmer climate. We are doing our part for the world not our children.


James Rowe
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I have been reading these comments for several days. To all the Liberals out there, Mr dion stated he did not understanding the question when ask in Halifax to Explain his position on the economy.
I sorry but he said nothing but he didn't understand the question. You people need to look at his body language. He looks like the little boy in the playground saying pick me when teams are being drawn.
The Mortage buy outs are world wide not just North America. there is a time to act and a time to review what you are going to do. I don't want to put more taxes on the public but Dion would cost us the world of cash.

Dion was a Liberal in Chretien and Martin's goverment. It shows what he learned when trained by the misguided. God save Canada,the Queen, and us from Mr Dion and Mr Layton


Barb looking for answers
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Minister Flaherty said that this bailout via the CMHC (yes, this is a bailout) "comes at no fiscal cost to taxpayers."

Well, it is my understanding
that the ***taxpayer owns CMHC***. Homeowners pay into the CMHC when they buy houses, and the funds are there for our insurance needs. This bailout *does* affect taxpayers.

Additionally, I would like to know in what regions of Canada this bailout is really helping...it seems to me that last week the media was reporting that the foreclosures in Calgary had risen 13%. Is this bailout intended to help the speculators in Calgary (Mr Harper's home province) who acquired mortgages that they really didn't qualify for? Is the reason this is happening to Calgary (and other jurisdictions in Alberta) really the fact that the provincial (Alberta) and federal governments refuse to enforce policies that keep the unhealthy Alberta economy from continue to explode into the rapid pace that it has been?

I challenge you to go into a bank in Alberta and speak honestly to a mortgage clerk (I have) -- they will tell you that underlying the Alberta economy is a mortgage bubble waiting to burst.

Using 25B will decrease the amount of funds available for honest, hard-working Canadians who may be in need of the insurance for what it is intended.

Perhaps this move had to be done (world economy collapsing etc). But we need to ask what got us to this 25B bailout in Canada? The policies of the provincial government of Alberta and the Feds? Mr. Harper's election and the bailout of high-rolling speculators and builders (especially in Calgary)?

Yesterday everything was fine; today we need a bailout. Is this really necessary or is this really just politics?









Dan
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No burden on the tax payers. Sounds good to me.

If you want to convert your hard earned taxes into income then...

[X]Harper.


WT
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25 billion to our banks in the wya of picking up their mortgage debts... Didn't the USA just give 700 billion to pick up bad mortgage debts from their banks also.. I think Flatery is smoking something more than pot if HE is giving away taxpayers money too look after his banking buddies in Toronto... He also says quote" That this move comes at no fixcal cost to taxpayers" DUH, My opinion oh yes it does wait until the next federal budget then we'll see what the conservatives will sock us with in an attempt to get THEIR money back from the Canadian taxpayer.. In closing, I thought our Canadian banks were on solid ground according to the G7 and our own Prime Minister apparantly not!


eskiefan
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like the difference here from the US is CMHC is buying mortgages but not a ton of defaulted mortgages. The purpose is to free up capital for the banks to keep things going. If those bought mortgages continue being paid it could work positively.


BB in B.C.
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CMHC isn't bailing out or covering up anything and will actually profit by this move of assetts. After explaining it several times over in his news conference Harper spoke it clearly and slowly so even the journalists finally stopped trying to label it a bailout. Now if a few posters here could understand it we can move on.


Bluenose
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...THIS IS NOT A BAILOUT! repeat THIS IS NOT A BAILOUT! This money does not come from taxpayers. ... These mortgages will be re-paid by mortgagees. They are NOT bad mortgages, or deliquent mortgages , so CMHC will actually make money in the long run. They are simply doing a swap, to free up money,to let credit flow, to guarantee our housing markets stay fluid. ...This is a smart move on the part of Harper and his team, and was well thought out.


Greg from Brampton
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...The government is assuming ownership, or "buying" the high value mortgages from the banks which in turn gives the banks more money to lend (frees up capital). People will still continue to pay their mortgage but the money will be paid back to the government via the bank. This doesn't cost consumers a single cent more than they're already paying. No one is on the hook for this and the government is only buying high value mortgages (i.e. not ones that will default). This is a smart move and will ensure that banks will not raise interest rates to raise capital (thus keeping your variable rate mortgage low). Take off the partisan glasses and pull the fingers out of your collective ears and see and hear that Harper has been right all along. Our economy is one of the only safe ones in the world right now. Geesh! people.


Michelle Stoetzel
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So what will this money to CMHC do for someone who isn't using a CMHC loan? We worked hard to come up with > 25% down. Banks are cautious now and not providing as good of interest rates now... some are not offering open mortgages less than prime (before they offered prime -1).


Dan
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==> Nick in Gatineau,

"Why are they injecting cash into a system that is said to be the safest and the best in the world ?"

To keep it the nest in the world.

[X]Harper


RDL
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Re: "So the banks have more ability to lend and to get credit going again, that is what the government is saying,"

That is just what we need, to lend huge amounts of money to people who are living beyond there means. Just to get the credit roling again.

I do not have a problem with borrowing money. so long as we do not stretch ourselves to thin, with houses we can not afford, and the "Do not Pay for XX years" schemes, and the "toys" and paying only the minimum payment on credit cards etc...that have put us into this bad credit situtation in the first place.

Lastly, Why don't the Banks use some of their HUGE profits over the last few years, to sort out their own affairs. Why is it my tax dollar. If I was in trouble financially the bank would not protect me, the way the Government is now protecting the banks.

Everyone including Business and Government, should live within their means


Roger T
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Reckless spending with tax payers money oon war in Afghanistan will make things worst for our economy.

Cease war fundings and look after CANADA first before budding into other countries businesses.

WE ARE CANADIANS!


GP
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NO NO NO, not my tax dollars.

Enough is enough, Canadian backs are NOT the friend of the consumer...you just have to look at the increasing spread in their rates.

The Canadian banks are currently more than willing to lend to qualified people and businesses...I know that as a fact.

If this political decision MUST go through then I want something for my tax dollar. I want the taxpayer to get a direct say in the operations of banks, particularly influence over fees and rate setting.

NO BLANK CHEQUE...NO WAY!!!


Michelle
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@ exiled Canadian

I am glad you are exiled with the way you think. The banks have their budgets just as the provinces do but when the banks need help from the feds, they get it, even when it is highly debatable whether they need it or not. The provinces, however, have to let people die while waiting to fix an ailing healthcare system that is clearly in need.
My mother died prematurily from cancer because it took them over six months to diagnose her and then they finished her off by giving her septacemia in an ER which wasn't sterilization things properly.
Yes, this handing money to rich banks that are sitting pretty compared to the rest of the world has me pretty steamed when the feds cry poor when people ask for better health care.
We have lots of money, but just not for ordinary Canadians.


Nigel Buchanan Davenport
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In the past quarters the banks have been posting quarterly profits in the billions. Now that there is trouble on the horizon, they feel they should not follow the lead of the Bank of Canada and lower interest to help there clients. Now a last minute injection of cash before the election is a desperate attempt by the Conservative government to shore up votes that they have losing. Throwing good money after bad -- let the banks sort this out and let them lose money, just like any other business.


S. Baldock
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Fort Nelson just closed its plant and 260 people are out of a job. And Harper and the Conservatives are bailing out alread-rich banks. The only time that Harper listens is when he is losing in the polls. Harper has no plan and is just choosing knee jerk reactions because he isn't sure what to do....unless he is following his mentor Bush, he would have a clue. Yeah no one should panic but Harper isn't connecting with people which means that he is a weak leader.

Anything But Harper


brg Ont.
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Frankly I'm disgusted that the government felt it necessary to give $25B to banks that are pulling in $1B per quarter in profits.

It is obviously a response to the attacks of the opposition leaders who guarantee that they would take action in this time of crisis?

Layton would re-regulate what the IMF calls the best regulated banks in the world in his efforts to scare people into voting for him.

And Dion promises have some meetings, at least I think that's what he's saying.
And when has a Liberal ever kept a promise?
If you look up lie in the dictionary you'll find a picture of Chretien,Martin etc.
I seem to remember someone saying "I will scrap the tax"
Was that a Liberal??

And of course there's the media,creating stories where none exist and spinning everything out of control to sell a paper or air time.

Anyone in favour of a law forbidding the publishing of poll results 1 week before an election?

Perhaps it would be a good idea for the voters to think for themselves for a change.

Oh well I guess I'll just grin and bear it and give the bank my $1,000 share thanks to the opposition and the media.




Ron
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After hearing Finance Minister Jim Flaherty Thursday evening saying that the banks are not asking for and the government will not be bailing out the banks, I find this very hard to believe. Until 5 minutes ago they had my vote.


Anne
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Not surprised....yes CMHC will purchase this debt however premiums paid by high ratio mortgagors are a small percentage especially given the market prices are falling at a greater ratio. I wonder how long it will be before the government will have to bail out CMHC especially since the Cons do not think Canada is heading for a recession just like the rest of the world.


A Out West
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This is wrong. I qualified for a mortgage. I make my payments on time. I am not responsible for the bad debt of others, nor should my tax dollars pay for the banks' poor screening.

Is the government going to invest to protect my market investments which have dropped significantly? NO! And I do not want my taxes to pay for an economic crisis bailout on top of already losing major value in my investments.

So now the government will own mortgages. Does that mean I can use these houses as collateral? Since I pay a fortune to the fund the government each year?

ABC. That's what Canada needs. Anyone But Conservative.

Harper and his subjects are fools.


Doz
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Are you kidding me?
Thanks HArper for committing about $800 plus dollars for every person in Canada to make sure the banks maintain extremely high profits. Thats is over $2400 for a family of four. Did Mini-Me Harper phone each one of us to see if it was OK to throw our money to such a desperate cause? ......Hmmm...I don't hear it ringing????


Dave Edmonton
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My mortgage is due for renewal next April. Just wonder how this affects the renewals? Need more info. Banks like Oil companies have made record profits off the backs of Canadians, but we do need protect seniors and all Canadians money. I just don't know, but I do know that Dion and Liberals carbon tax and any new taxes will put Canada in the same boat as the US and the other countries.


Clump
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This is disappointing. The gov't has no business giving the banksters this kind of money. The banksters are the only industry that produces nothing yet has all the people who do produce owing them. Something, obviously, is wrong and giving the criminals who are responsible for this mess more money is like giving a heroin addict free smack, except only worse.


Matthew in Whitby
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Are you people serious? What record bank profits?!?! I am lucky to still work for one of our major banks as it has posted losses in the BILLIONS over the last several quarters. Only in the last quarter were we finally able to turn a very small $71 million profit (which is very low in case that sounds like a lot to you). Please people, check your facts...


Paul Concerned about Conservative Flip-Flopping
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It was Harper and Flaherty that loosened the banking regulations so first time homebuyers could obtain a 40/0 which is a 40 year mortgage with no money down. It was the same policy as the subprime mortgage scheme in the US. We all know what happened with the conservative deregulation in the US and its catastrophic economic results felt around the world.

Flaherty saw the errors of his conservative ways and flip-flopped and took away 40/0 so now he is having to bail out the banks for lending to precarious buyers. Banks make huge profits, in the billions each year, so now taxpayers have to take the risk because Harper and Flaherty made poor economic decisions with their 40/0 idea.


Paul
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Again, some of you on this thread show incredible ignorance as to Canadian finance by complaining that 30 year mortgages with only 5% down are somehow a problem. The problem occurs in the approval process, not the structure. Canadian banks are very stingy with these loans, and demand strong financials from borrowers before approving such loans. In the USA though, these same loans were offered with 120% evaluations on homes and no proof of income ... not even social security numbers were required. There is no ... I repeat no ... comparison between the USA mess and Canadian mortgage practices. ...



Frank in Ottawa
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I think this is thr prudent thing for the government to do. All they are doing is buying some of the insured mortgages that they already own in exchange for cash. You know the liberals 30 day economic plan is just hype. How can you call it a plan to have comittees? What Harper has said is pretty much correct. ...



Michael - Edmonton
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Man...to be quite honest the people who are calling it a bailout and/or deriding the CONS for this make me ashamed to be a Canadian. THIS MONEY IS NOT GOING TO THE BANKS....We are buying their valubale non-cash assets to inject cash into the system. ...

GC
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You people are unbelievable - you complain if nothing is being done and you complain when action is taken.

If you truly understand what is going on here, this is a good thing.
....










okayletssee
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I'm not a Flaherty fan, but this doesn't seem too bad.

Basically, the gov't is buying sound mortgages (Canadian mortgages) that the banks can't repackage and sell to other investors. My understanding is that there's nothing wrong with this debt except that no one wants to touch them because they're painted with the same brush as the US garbage.

In theory, with those mortgages off their plates, the banks can loosen up and start lending again thereby stimulating growth. And if people pay their mortgages then the gov't shouldn't lose anything.

So, no need to freak out, in my opinion.





Emily
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Yeah, right, and if our banks are so well capitalized (i.e. have lots 'n' lots of money on hand), why can't said banks take said capitalization out of their own coffers???? There would be no need for all this money movement and legerdemain. A good number of us previously ignorant peons are finally starting to catch on.


fred ont
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In a time of economic uncertainty, it would seem to make sense, in addition to Harper's cave-in, to also cut costs and pass on the savings to the consumer so the consumer will be encouraged buy more. "Music to my ears" would be for TD Economist Drummond and friends to take a pay cut and pass on the "interest saving" to me. Their present solution to secure government support is no solution at all since I am the one still paying. My mutual funds just lost me $70K...good jobs guys.


Matthew BC
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This IS NOT A BAILOUT LIKE USA's!!! It sounds good to me especially if I need to get a loan in the coming weeks/months. Unfortunately I am a Liberal. However, if the Cons. say something great they will receive my vote on Tuesday. I really need to think this over.


Me in Ottawa
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...buying CANADIAN mutual funds, CANADIAN bonds, and investing in CANADIAN stocks will help the economy. Now, if you were buying American, that's a different story. ...

Winnipeg
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Big difference between the U.S situation and the one in Canada. In the U.S. the government is putting in cash to take off the hands of the banks the mortgages given to unqualified borrowers during the whole sub-prime fiasco. So that money is largely lost when you consider that the homes re-posessed will sell for far under the original mortgage amount. Besides which, when a government administers something, it costs a fortune. In Canada, we don't have these mortgages to unqualified borrowers so most home owners will continue to make their mortgage payments which will pay off the mortgages purchased by the Canadian government. So the money won't come out of our pockets in the long run, although it will initially.
I do tend to agree with several people who make the point that the major banks have been reaping record profits year after year from the Canadian people. Now when times are tough, they ought to be willing to pony up some of their reserves to help out the economy.


Will
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Our economy is strong, job creation was way beyond "expert" prediction.Tax payer money is being spent wisely for once.
Can someone explain to me why the Conservatives aren't doing a great job and need to be replaced...???



Barb in Calgary
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I want to know who is going to pay for this Bail Out????
I don't understand Stephen you said everything was fine a few days ago and we shouldn't panic what changed?
Oh you woke up Great!


Jay, Ottawa
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Isn't the problem that Canadians have overextended their credit already? Do we want them to make it worse? Do we want more credit available to people who are on the edge of not being able to pay if off? Doesn't this delay the problem and risk making it worse?


Stan
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The Conservatives are dead on in their assessment of the current economic global crisis and the actions they are taking. I'm not crazy about the C party but maybe it is time to give credit where it is due. In just the last few days we have seen external reports that show Canada's banking sector as the best in the world. Despite the criticisim of the so called opposition every major economist and bank has stated it is indeed a good time to buy into the market if you can. It is time to put partisan based decisions aside and make a vote for the type of strong leadership we need. Harper may not have the personality of a Kennedy or Trudeau, but he has proven to be a leader and one smart dude. We started to see a problem in the moral compass of the Liberals with Jane Steward's squandering of millions, followed by other scandels and then the big one in which our party leaders funneled tens of millions back into the party coffers through GroupAction. This all during the watch of the PM and his finance minister, Martin, who apparently didn't notice +$300m disappear, yet Dion just described him as the best finance minister we have had. It's time for Liberals to quite thinking about winning this fiasco and to tear down the mess created and rebuild the party minus all the old party hacks and pip-sqeeks.


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