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Date: Tue. Oct. 7 2008 8:00 PM ET
The Toronto Stock Exchange and the Dow Jones continued their decline on Tuesday, posting triple-digit losses after the closing bell rang. Talk of interest rate cuts intensified as the losses piled up.
Despite an early morning upswing of 250 points, the S&P/TSX composite index finished at a loss of 400.88 points to sit at 9,829.55.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average opened with a modest 71.68 point increase, but at the end of the day was down 508.39 points to 9,447.11.
The Nasdaq also rose by 15.59 points in early-morning trading, before finishing down 108.08 points to sit at 1,754.88. The S&P 500 fell 60.62 points and stands at 996.27.
It's the second week of heavy losses in the markets due to the global credit crisis. Economists are now warning that Canada is headed for one of the toughest economic periods in recent memory, as job losses climb and energy prices tumble.
In an effort to calm the markets, the U.S. Federal Reserve announced that it plans to buy short-term debt so companies can finance daily operations.
The move means the Federal Reserve will act as a source of credit for businesses outside the financial sector that can't raise funds during a credit squeeze.
While the initiative will help small businesses and should restore some balance to the market, one financial analyst said, government should not have to insert itself into the credit market.
"This is not ideal by any stretch," analyst Theo Caldwell told CTV Newsnet. "Yes, this is what should be done but this is not the way markets and economies ought to work."
Interest rate cuts expected
Although governments around the globe have tried to bail out their financial sectors to get banks lending again, there are still nervous investors and consumers who wonder whether that will be enough to revive world markets from an economic slump.
BNN's Michael Hainsworth said U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's speech on Tuesday hinted that interest rates may need to be cut before the formal decision scheduled for later this month.
"If plan A didn't seem to work and plan B didn't seem to work, plan C seems like a last ditch effort as far as the street is concerned," Hainsworth told CTV Newsnet. "That's ultimately why we saw the sell-off that we did."
Analysts speculate that the Bank of Canada, the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England and other central banks will cut interest rates in a further attempt to keep credit flowing.
Don Drummond, the Chief Economist at TD Bank, told CTV's Mike Duffy Live on Tuesday that Bernanke's speech may signal a change in Canada.
"(Bernanke) said he is going back to cutting interest rates (and) I expect at their next meeting they will cut fifty basis points.
"We saw Australia cut one-hundred basis points; it's a shocking move to everybody," Drummond said. "I think the next wave is a worldwide round of rate cuts and the Bank of Canada will probably join on that."
The Canadian dollar also slid lower on Tuesday, dropping 0.67 cents, to stand at 90.31 cents US. This latest loss caps a three cent loss against the American dollar since the beginning of the month.
With files from The Canadian Press
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.



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Lew Rockwell
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Kowai
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The countries of the world are pulling together trying to pull the world out of this mess!!!
We can all help!!!
Turn your TV OFF!!!
Leave your Paper on the front porch!!!
Put a Game in your computer!!!
And stop listening to all this, “The Sky is falling” talk!!!
Take the little women out to dinner!!!
Buy the kids a new outfit for Halloween!!!
The world will be fine!!!
It’s just going to take time!!!
Mankind has made it through much worse!!!
Kowai
kowai
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Weiss
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Congratulations on your decision to avoid the stock market, you won't feel the same cruch as those who do.
But don't label everyone who owns stocks as part of the greedy elite. Many hardworking Canadian families are affected by this downturn, many parents saving for their children's education and many seniors who live on their investment income. I don't understand how you can call their suffering "karma."
Al
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Nobody is completely insulated from this and don't think for a minute that you haven't been taking advantage of the same system that created this in the first place.
Mike S
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Panic selling = Panic profits for manipulators
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Hedge fund operators and invetment bankers in Canada do this all the time.
They generate losses by shorting the market then the next day drive it back up then short it again etc while the "nervous nellies" sell off providing them with their gains.
It will stop when the retail crowd stops reacting to their games and the news.
What goes down will come back up. Be patient it will take many months BUT it will come back. Relax folks stop the panic they depend on that for their profits.
Albertt in Toronto
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Just a clarification, but I don't think Lew meant ALL people who own stocks. Clearly, he's directing that comment at the market elites who manipulated and corrupted and bankrupted the financial system over the last several years.
Unfortunately, working people's money is involved and that has evaporated... into the elite's pockets.
But like someone else said here. We'll pull through. After some time and market corrections.
John C
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Stock market scum? Ordinary people own stocks or mutual funds, and retirees who are by no means wealthy rely on them for income.
If you're in a pension plan, you also own stocks indirectly.
In fact, the CPP includes stocks as part of its investment portfolio so ALL working Canadians are impacted one way or another.
brenda
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Greg in the Hammer
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Historically the stock market has not lost money over any 10 year period.
Watch the pros. Warren Buffet, Mike Chin.
BUY, HOLD AND PROSPER.
...
Scott
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JessbabyBrighton
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Dear Lew; That's quite the lead you've got there.. interesting.
Dear Weiss and Kowai I am in complete agreement with the both of you.
There is absolutely no need to be so negative about things that are not even officially decided yet.
Noting stands still, is will always change. Remember that.
JessbabyBrighton
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Dear Lew; That's quite the lead you've got there.. interesting.
Dear Weiss and Kowai I am in complete agreement with the both of you.
There is absolutely no need to be so negative about things that are not even officially decided yet.
Noting stands still, is will always change. Remember that.
Mike
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Michael - Ottawa South
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With a recession threatening we need prudent management of our economy becaise it will be reflected in the markets.
If the Liberals or NDP gain power we can kiss the market goodbye because their proposed enormous tax increases will cause corporation to cut jobs and profits and force down the general economy. That's not spin, that's just the way it will be.
Harper saw this a year ago and already built in tax reductions which are helping keep our econiomy going better than all in the G7 nations. That's what he has been saying to Canadians but they havent got it yet.
He also made sure the banks didnt engage in the subprime nonsense by sending Flarety to speak to them.
Harper is a smart guy and obviously a good manager of the economy. We really are better off with him running the show in my opinion.
I have a lot at stake in the market and am down HUGELY and Harper is the one I will trust to help guide the economy to make the best of a lousy situation.
Vahan
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Need some free advice
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Patrick
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Anne
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island girl
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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The Deputy Chief Economist at Scotiabank believes that TAX CUTS will continue to foster positive activity, that we have "really wonderful" fundamentals, and that Canada will be able to weather the storm "better than most" countries.
Confidence, of every type and degree, is vitally important when markets are turbulent. Stubborn negativity creates a self-fulfilling prophecy of economic doom and gloom. Come on, people. Take a breath. Think positive. Act positive. Be positive.
Quit striving for reasons to be fearful and panicked, just for the sake of making partisan condemnations. You're not doing ANYONE a service.
not all motivated by greed Ottawa
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Don in Calgary
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Doug
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JessbabyBrighton
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JessbabyBrighton
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Martinas
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Michael - Ottawa South
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1) Don't panic
2) This is a recsssion and it will pass
3) Canada won't have the same downturn as the US housing market has had for numerous reasons
4) Whether you remortgage or not you are liable for the debt so why go in debt at a time when the debt service (interest) is going up.
What I might suggest is take "some out" and use it to invest in the market as we come out of this mess because the gains will be HUGE as we emerge from this nonsense.
....Advice from a former financial planner and investment consultant.
In general though, stay calm. Much of this gets exagerated in the media. It is serious but they are working globally to deal with it and they will.
This is not time for panic.
Cool heads prosper in times like this.
RobO
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Just be smart and don't let the doomsayers run the show.
Doug BC
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In Canada,we are fortunate to have on of the most stable banking systems in the world.Very conservative by most measures.THat is not a guarantee that they will be uaffected.Nor can ANY party in Ottawa insulate Canada from a global economic slowdown.We are a nation whose wealth depends on exports.When prices for those exports decline,and commodity prices along with them,our economy slows as well.NO one here can stop that.Our economy is far to small to influence global events.
I would say this.I really believe,by the time this is over,it will be painfully obvious to everyoe,just how damgerous it is to carry to much debt.
Canada is doing the right thing by paying down the national debt as much,and as quickly as possible.As tough times come,we should ALL hope it was enough to mitigate the looming storm's damage here.
Gail, Halifax
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Jimbo
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Good advice for someone that doesn't mind losing 10 years of gains in a month. Sure it will come back, but when? We are in uncharted waters folks. Even if we can somehow solve this credit crisis, we are still faced with a world recession. Risk of loss is far greater than chance of gain. For those that don't care, don't worry be happy.
Scott
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I fully agree, it is unbelievable that TD, and other Canadian Banks will raise mortgage rates one (1) full percentage point. With the housing/credit crisis ongoing, these fools are actually going to try and bleed the current mortgage holders for more money, to cover the banks mistakes, therefore as I see it, damaging housing markets even further. I guess it's sort of their own bailout plan. Canadian government wisely won't give them money, so they'll punish all current and future customers.
It goes to show, big banks just push any costs on to the little guy, just like the oil business would do if we placed a heavier tax on them. Short of nationalizing banks and oil companies like Hugo Chavez,(I'm sure majority don't want this kind of socialist rule) I don't really think anyone has the answer. Best answer is to not give them any business like you said. Don't get a new mortgage, cut up the credit cards etc.
Raquel
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GP
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What you are seeing now is the pure manipulation of the markets so the fund managers and high level speculators can fleece the skittish as they bail.
The markets are corrupt, we should have all gone into it knowing that. The end of that era of pure greed is hopefully coming to an end and regulation and oversight will take over.
Until that happens enjoy the death throws of the manipulators and uber-greedy but DO NOT react...ride this out. Then when it’s settled down fire your investment bank/manager and get into something sustainable until the regulations are established…remember until regulation and oversight is put in place this is just going to happened again, and again, and again...all at your expense.
Pip
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Raquel Daponte
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Linda in Vancouver
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We ALL need to reconize "An Inconvenient Truth".There is likely going to be a world wide economic slowdown.
Be VERY SUSPICIOUS of politicians who make very expensive spending and taxing promises as a bribe ofr your vote.LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP.All of our economic futures depend on us makeing a prudent decision.
BB in B.C.
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Doug, Thornton.
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I don't know what trhe answer is but a market stability is important for everybody. Perhaps this is what governments should be striving for.
Laurie in Calgary
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Dustin Quinlan
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SK Prairie Boy
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Richard
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Rick
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Let see:
Liberals - 50+ billion in election promises.
NPD - 50+ billion in election promises.
Conservises - 6 billion in election promises.
I know who I'm voting for.
Rosie
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nc in alberta
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The biggest difference is that you win or lose over a longer period of time than if you were betting on a single race between horses or dogs or buying lottery tickets on a single draw.
When buying stocks you are trying to pick winners just as surely as any other gambling activity and it is wrong to assume that there is no risk.
I never gamble money that I can't afford to lose on a hand of blackjack and no one should have more money invested in non-guaranteed investements than they can afford to lose.
This philosophy has seen me balance my very modest investments between guaranteed and non- guaranteed interest bearing products and so far, I'm OK.
The first thing I did when deciding on a risky investment product that had the potential to bear huge gains was to assume I would never see that money again or that I would have to wait a long time for it to return any profit. Only when I knew I could live with that reality did I invest.
I'm not a rich person, so when I talk about investing I'm talking about my very life. I don't have unlimited resources and I have to understand that I am responsible for deciding how I should use them.
Understand the stock market can be manipulated both legally and illegally and that you bear that risk.
In the case of losses if there is proven malfesence by the company or CEO's as in Worldcom, Enron and other situations then the government should step in, prosecute the criminals who got rich in the scam and recover what they can of the investor's money.
KC
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Tazzy
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Jason Daniel Baker
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That is why investors here and elsewhere will start to buy Canadian and our financial sector will become an oasis of calm in a sea of turbulence.
Canadians can rest assured about that unless they happen to be living abroad. I fear what might happen to those Canadians who have staked their savings in foreign banks.
I fear most of all for those Canadians living in the United States. The turmoil must be very unsettling and surreal. I believe that that they and those they care about should come back to Canada to ride this thing out.
Mike
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CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
CUT INTEREST RATES!!!
Thanks.
James
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I knew he was an idiot Sept 11/01 when he sat in that small chair in front of students for many minutes while planes crashed all around with a dumbass look on his face. HHe explained later that he stayed there because he did not want to upset the children. In truth, he stayed there with that dumbass look on his face because he was a deer caught in the headlights. He was the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time. Still is and always will be.
Val
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ATTENTION, ATTENTION
Let see:
Liberals - 50+ billion in election promises.
NPD - 50+ billion in election promises.
Conservises - 6 billion in election promises.
I know who I'm voting for.
problem here is the conservatives started giving money away before the election. Rick people like you give loaded guns to fools. Give Harper a majority and watch you a**
A Winnipeg
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If we can find a way to isolate the US market, re-wire the world's global economies such that we have another, more dependable base to work from, then I believe the world's economy may stabilize. If this re-wiring is even possible and how it's to be done is way beyond my knowledge but hopefully there is a way and it will be done soon.
5th Generation Canadian
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"Take the little woman out to dinner?" Good grief.
Bernard Romanycia
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A European in Vancouver
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Your innocence - naiveté, even - where this story is concerned is charming. If you think you are going to escape major financial upheaval (= recession) because somehow your banks are not as greedy as those in the US, think again. I can't believe the lack of coverage on an issue which is already tearing Europe apart. Your politicians owe you an explanation of why a single economy cannot be exempt from the imminent meltdown, and your media owe you an apology for not bothering to inform you.
Paul West Coast
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Harper had no economic plan, no platform to bring to the 2 leaders' debates despite insisting the networks give him more time in the debate to discuss the economy. All he had to offer was a statement, "Dion is panicking." Well it appears Harper is now the one "panicking" as the polls are suggesting Canadians have no faith in Harper's do-nothing philosopy.
Harper saying to Canadians all Dion has to offer is tax increases is untrue at best. Dion is proposing massive income tax cuts and a revenue neutral pollution tax. Canadians can claim credits for moving to clean technologies and make money as a result, as well as a cleaner, healthier planet for our kids.
George ON
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That was an act of deliberate wealth destruction.
Now, those same investors who got clobbered in the income trust massacre and who took a second chance by putting what they had left into dividend blue chip financial stocks, articially inflating the market capitalization of that sector during the dumping of the income trusts and the rush into financials .... they just got screwed again!!
What was the lesson learned?
Kojak
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hahahahaha
joe ongena
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Some Americans made their money & made this mess.
talk about war crimes
pensioner in Ontario
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HARPER, DO SOMETHING
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LG
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Glorieux
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Better think again.
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Not trying to be rude but do you guys really understand what you are supporting by increasing taxes at this time the way Dion wants to do?
It will literally crush our economy. Capital markets will never accept that here.
You will doom your investments for years.
They tried that carbon tax in Europe and it hurt their economies and that was BEFORE this financial setback.
I think some of you folks really need to take some serious second sober thought before you support the Liberal agenda.
Garry in NS
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Kenny in Calgary
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X Harper
Edd
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Jim-Surrey
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This always happens at election time but it is being overplayed by analysts trying to justify their high salaries and put the fear of god into us with money worries.
I believe things will level out in Canada anyway and as that is where I live that is all I am concerned with!!!!!!!!!!!
KittyKatt
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Lorne
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Jorja
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Murray W.
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CN
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I urge everyone to brace for this one as it will hurt big time.
Prof. Pye Chartt
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The Media's thirst for drama is just adding to the anxiety on Main Street.
At this uncertain juncture, one thing is for certain: we've ridden through recessions before, and we'll survive this "crisis." Just because there are global ramifications, doesn't mean the world is coming to an end.
These coming months will round out the limited education, experience, and wisdom of the "younger" crowd who have only known a boom time. You'll garner a greater appreciation for political and economic functions, as they relate to capitalism.
Brent - NB
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Open your eyes
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If you really want to be sorry and suffer the most from the difficult times awaiting us, vote for Stephen Harper! Smart people will make a much better choice!