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Date: Sun. Oct. 5 2008 10:56 AM ET
As European leaders called Saturday for an emergency G8 summit amid growing fears of a deep global recession, Conservative Leader Stephen Harper was again battered by opposition leaders who accused him of having no economic plan.
During a campaign stop in the Maritimes, the Liberals' Stephane Dion said Harper was out of touch and accused him of living in "a bubble."
"But we don't need a prime minister in a bubble," Dion said, adding that Harper has been callous about domestic job losses and a domestic economic slowdown.
"We need a prime minister with the people, fighting for the good jobs of this country."
The renewed rhetoric over which leader would better navigate treacherous economic waters comes a day after the U.S. passed into law an unprecedented, $US700 billion aid package for Wall Street's reeling financial services industry.
European leaders, meeting in Paris Saturday, have also been jolted into action by falling stock prices and withering credit markets.
Dion also unleashed an attack on the NDP, who have been gaining on the Liberals in the race for second place during the run-up to the Oct. 14 election.
"If you are worried about your job then think twice about voting for Jack Layton because right now, the only job a vote for the NDP will save is Stephen Harper's job."
While Dion vowed to meet with economists and present a mini-budget within 30 days of the election, Harper maintained that despite a dire situation elsewhere, Canada's economic fundamentals remained on relatively solid ground.
Speaking to reporters in Yarmouth, N.S. -- where he unveiled plans to restore a $300 million fund for regional development -- Harper said it was important for Canadian leaders to stay calm.
"I'm not saying we're immune from this. But we're not in deficit, we're not in recession and we're not losing jobs, and we're not panicking,"
Harper added that his government warned of an economic slowdown more than a year ago, and he has stressed that stiffer regulations have prevented Canadian banks from falling into a U.S.-style meltdown.
Harper also hit back at Dion and said the Liberal leader's economic plan could lead to disaster.
"At a time of economic uncertainty the opposition proposes massive increases in spending that would lead to a deficit, higher taxes that would kill jobs and investments, a carbon tax that would raise prices and a promise to spend 30 days developing a plan only after they are elected," Harper said.
"That is an approach which would take us into recession, not avoid one."
The NDP's Jack Layton also used a campaign stop in the Maritimes Saturday to attack the Conservatives' economic record, saying that Harper has done little to protect Canadian jobs from migrating to other countries.
"We've got shipyards here in Halifax or in B.C. or in Quebec that can get the job done right, but Stephen Harper clearly doesn't care," Layton said in Halifax.
In Montreal, Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe said that a Conservative minority government, though unstable in Parliament, would be better for Canada in during times of economic uncertainty.
Duceppe also warned Quebecers that Harper supports the kind of economic policies which led to the current financial meltdown in the U.S.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.







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Ryan P.
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This campaign is over, the only question is whether enough people will realize that a vote against Harper means we are all back at this in two years or less.
Kevin F
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I don't understand why the media will not post polls that now show the Liberals within only 5 points of the Conservatives and Dion's #'s for Best PM right near Harper. That's not breaking news, but when the Liberals slip there'a s headline. It's ridiculous!
Mike
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Nancy
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Everybody is better off under Harper. I like low taxes and surpluses and the Job growth.
proud conservative
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No more taxes for all Canadians
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I am tired of paying high taxes and seeing huge surpluses by the government. Government's role is not to make huge profits - its to govern.
I am tired of hearing that the Conservatives don't have a platform. From my perspective it looks like they do: continue what they were doing when they were in office: lower taxes for everybody (not just the corporations that the NDP claim), responsible government spending, pay down the national debt (look at Alberta, no provincial debt and the economy is still strong).
Bev
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Dan
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This time we can't buy in.
[X] Harper
K. Johnston
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The Gang of 4 will tax us too much.
Wayne
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is if the Liberals form goverment. It is time for the Tories to take the reins.
Belinda Rae
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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We're just supposed to "trust" that the Liberals will figure something out AFTER being elected. Yeah; I don't think so.
Other than basic income redistribution through engineered taxation, and a pile of worthless social spending to make it palatable to the folks in the crowd who love "free" things from government, Dion and the Liberals are already bankrupt as far as any economic plan goes.
Marcelliss from Montreal
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Harper appears to be the least risk.
Layton would expand the government and destroy the economy.
Ontario Taxpayer
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Jay From The West
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The good ship Majority has left the docks. And if Harper can't deliver a majority now shouldn't his leadership be questioned?
Bob NS
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The Conservative Platform is already in place and working good for Canada and our economy despite the shenanigan tactics of the opposition
JP
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I, for one, am all for voting again in another 2 years if it means another chance to get rid of Stephen Harper. I'll vote every damn day to get rid of him. He cannot be trusted. Don't be fooled.
Mike
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Steve...here's the keys back, along with several new ones that the opposition won't be needing.
JP
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That's really funny because, you know, the current conservative party is the remains of 3 parties. At least one of which was the political bottom of the barrel.
It is this simple. The current conservative party does not in any way stand for, represent or even understand ALL of Canada.
They don't even try. The only thing Harper is leading is everyone around by the nose.
Joe
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Jack - AB
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I get tired of people saying they are overtaxed because of the big surpluses the government was bringing in & using to pay down the debt. Trudeau & Mulroney ran huge deficits that were added to the national debt and this was for the benefit of the baby boomers. This generation will retire in 10 to 15 years and their debt will just get passed along to future generations - not fair or responsible! Surpluses are needed to pay off most or part of the debt brought in during the baby boomer era.
Doug BC
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"Kevin F" does make a point about equalization.What he fails to point out is the role of the provinces in setting the structure and the way payment formulas are established.Getting a few provinces to agree a anything is a challenge for ANY prime minister.And the Allantic accord was a Martin debacle that left the so called "have" provinces wondering why their citzens should continue paying taxes to support "have not" provinces AFTER they reached a level of economic prosperity.In BC,most of us favour Mr.Harpers decision.
I have only two fears about this election.While I am concerned about some of Harpers ideology,I fear a return to Liberal corruption a lot more.
And finally,I fear we will be living in a very divided country after the vote.The real debate is about more socialism offered by the Liberals(aka NDP Lite),or a conservative approach offered by the Conservatives.
I think Harper is a bit to far right.But I am sure we will not see a party near the political centre if we put Liberals back in.They need to kick the socialists out of their party,and get te the centre.And they better find the centre before Mr.Harper gets there first.He has already stated he recognizes the need of his party to move in that direction.
FCS
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Paul B
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What you will never hear or see reported is the fact Danny William's signed onto the new deal, and becuase of that Newfoundland/Labrador is hundreds of millions richer in payments, as are all provinces/territories.
Stewardship is now with the Conservatives
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"Stephane WE didn't get the job done"
...and they still aren't getting it done.
Traditional Liberal supporters need to come to terms with reality that their party hasn't been doing such a great job this last decade with scandals, out of spending programs and adscam scandals.
They spent most of their time on retaining power and not enough of being good stewards of our country.
Time for a change to the Conservatives.
Paul - Orillia
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Sad, very very sad what marketing and propaganda has done to Canada.
Marc Coquitlam B.C.
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Dd
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I challenge him to pre-announce a campaign stop in St. John's. Tell everyone where he will be and when and see the turnout. Are you a leader or a coward, Steve????
ABC
Ian- Alberta
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Tmoney.
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Oh yeah those Maritimers are known for thier shrewdness. They will vote for whoever stuffs more money in thier pockets or paves the road in thier town before the election.Just like always. It's a tradition.
Maritimer
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GO HARPER GO
Richard from Ontario
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Fool me twice shame on you!
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"Maritimers won't be fooled by Harper's deception."
Actually Joe, the Maritimers have been getting fooled for the last 40 years by Liberal deceptions and election handouts and you still haven't figured that one out yet.
A little more pain and I'm confident you will figure it out that you have been hoodwinked.
E Davis
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My secondary objective was to listen to the arguements of each of those for / against those platforms.
Today is advance polling day - yet - with no Cons. Platform to review I cannot in good judgement vote for them.
Sure the strategy is sound - don't release one until the last minute so other parties don't attack it... but Harper should of released it right after the Debates if that was his goal.
Now, with the advance poll today I will have to pick one of the other parties just because I do not know the Cons. views.
Harper wants us to vote for him to give him a 'strong mandate' to run the economy - yet - he presents no mandate for us to vote for? That - is not good governing policy.
I realise Harper tries his best to keep the press at bay, lock down his party from talking so as not to mess up, amd keep everything a secret so they can't 'goof up'... but no platform today = no vote today.
As a unjudgemental vote - he may have gotten my vote, but now he can't have it. I'm afrad what many have been saying about his 'stealth taticts' are true... you cannot trust his party because he doesn't tell the voting public - we the people he works for... what his party is doing.
As for what party gets my vote, once I finish my review of other party platforms, then one of them will get my vote.
Harper IS on the right track
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"Surpluses are needed to pay off most or part of the debt brought in during the baby boomer era."
Exactly Jack which is why Harper paid down $38 BILLION off our national debt which reduces interest payments and lowers the tax burden and risk to deficits - Economics 101 Sir George Williams University 1971.
Joshua from Vancouver
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Atlantic Canada Sees Sense!
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nc in alberta
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All I've seen are numerous reactive spending promises since before the election was even called.
The most recent example is his swift $75.00 "gimme" (the actual amount of tax you will save if you are able to use the entire $500 nonrefundable tax credit) for parents putting their children into arts programs immediately after taking heat for saying ordinary Canadians don't care about the arts.
Even when good ideas have been presented such as modifications to how we deal with young and violent offenders there is no talk about an actual plan or how of much the new process will cost taxpayers.
I don't see this as planning, I see this as pandering.
This is the biggest problem from my perspective as an uncomitted voter.
I don't see the Conservative party or it's leader as being truly concerned with anything beyond getting elected and I certainly don't see them as a hands down superior choice compared to the other parties.
shelley
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phauser
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Mulroney, Chretien, Rae, and Harris have one thing in common. They all got elected at least in part as a protest of the existing regime.
They also managed to take credit for all successes while placing blame on their predecessors for a time.
Wouldn't we be better off if we voted FOR something once in a while and not against something?
The governments of Pierre Trudeau and Bill Davis defined Canada and Ontario in their day. We need that kind of government where the winner has the respect if not the support of the other parties.
The rhetoric and divisiveness since the Chretien days are not productive. We need a strong national government not a minority propped up by it's enemies.
I'm not saying vote Harper (though that is my choice)
What I am saying is vote for The Liberals or NDP if you BELIEVE in them. Greens and Bloc are how you protest but to me everyone should be able to see something in the three main parties that they can believe in.
After this election you can get off your butt and join one of these parties at the local level and attend the meetings, get involved in the policy debates and move forward.
For now, find something to vote for as against. Look at all three parties that can make a difference and pick one. Just look at all three with equal skepticism.
Only one responsible choice
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I agree, Canadians have bought the Liberal party spin for decades while the Liberals stole us blind and used our own money each election to buy our votes.
"We voters weren't very smart ... WE didn't get the job done".
THIS TIME... I'm voting Conservative.
J.C.
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Gram from Provencher
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quote “The Conservative platform is built on clear, affordable, practical and believable commitments to support Canada’s economy”
Now here in Provencher I have found gas at 50 cents per liter
Makes just as much sense... more hot air
That is why I am voting for a liberal team player ,Dr. Shirley Hiebert, in Provencher to help protect our farm economy in the coming economic downturn.
Linda in Vancouver
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The NDP can't win, and the Liberals are just a bunch of NDPers in drag. Conservatives are really the only option if you are not an extreme left wing freeloader looking for more "free" programs from they taxpayer.
In BC provincial politics we have only two viable patries to vote for. The only way to get rid of the governing party is to vote in the NDP. Who, on every single occassion, proceeded to decimate our economy. But that is still the price we have to pay to remove an arrogant and devious free enterprise government in power.
Federal Liberals look like they learned nothing from being ousted in the last election. It seems they have to be decimated before they get the message and rebuild themselves as a party less addicted to the socialist agenda,but less conservative on social issues than Mr. Harper. If I wanted socialists I would vote NDP.
In BC,provincial Liberals are also wearing a bit thin with voters. In large part because of the "carbon tax" they imposed. But they are still less socialist than their federal namesakes.It will be a tough choice for us in the spring. Socialism and incompetence with the NDP or an arrogant,out of touch Liberal party for another four years.
I will NEVER vote for more socialism in Canada.I have seen the devastation it has had in BC.I want better than that for my country.
And "NO". A return to eastern domination of the west is NOT an option for me. You are welcome to socialism if you want it. Just leave us to our choices. Lower taxes, lower debt, and fewer criminals.
proud conservative
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Jim Lake
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DCR-Toronto
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When the Liberals speak of "revenue neutral", it means he will give most of it back to the people, but not in a monetary sense. It will fund programs which the Liberals say is giving it back to us. If you want to pay higher prices on everything, vote Liberal. To say that they are taxing the businesses is the truth. But where do you think the businesses are going to make up for that loss? Me and you!
Harper is the steady hand we need. This country needs a majority to move or we will have gridlock for years.
The
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Pot heads, drug users and wing nuts abound.
Look into the eyes of Layton....the guy has lost it. Apart from his delusions of granduer, he really doesn't look stable.
Somebody in Atlantic Canada take this guy fishing please. He needs a break.
John in Calgary
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Harper has always fought for Canada to be on top. And he has fought for each province to do better. Harper knows how the economy works and he knows you can't jump in and go green over night. At first I thought his 2050 goals were too long as well, but then I started taking some economics courses and came to realize that you can't force the issue.
Everybody needs to realize that Harper's conservatives are not Mulroney's conservatives. Lets see what he does with four years as a majority. Can't be worse than another 3 years with a minority government, where nothing gets done. We need a party in power that will be able to make quick decisions about the economy, not one that has to fight with the opposition, as the economy takes a slide.
Warren H.
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T.Griffiths
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T.Griffiths
Ship HR
NF & Lab
Ken
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But at the same token, Harper's views on and cuts to the country's Arts programs is shocking.
NDP - you got yourselves a new supporter.
Winston said it best
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- Winston Churchill
Canada is on the slippery slope towards socialism with the departure of traditional Liberals following Dion into the socialist camp.
"There is no such thing as a good tax. "
- Winston Churchill
Herb
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Pat
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Bluenose
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I would like to make the point that Atlantic Canada usually votes "Stupid" in elections, doing just what you say, by electing a opposition party, when the other is in Majority in Ottawa, thereby cutting their nose off to spite their faces. The corruption we've seen by the likes of existing Liberal MP's in SW Nova, and the downright fraud he committed in his scheme with Federally owned wharves in Digby etc. , should certainly be a strong decision maker for voters I hope. Scott Brison has far too long of a free ride in Kings Hants. Nova Scotia has become a have-not province, with low payrolls, dying towns etc. It's time for Nova Scotia to vote "Smart", and vote for Stephen Harper. We've suffered enough from having Liberals as our MP's. Toss the Liberals out, and strengthen our province, with a Conservative Gov't for Nova Scotia.
Tommies
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Lee in Calgary
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You really need to get your money back for your degree. The latest economic statement tells us that Canada is currently running a 2.7 Billion dollar surplus as of the end of July 2007 and that the Canadian economy has stabilized and grown for 5 of the 7 months counted so far. The Harper government has applied every surplus penny to the debt and then used the interest saved to provide increased services.
A small surplus is a good thing to continue to pay down the debit but those years of 13 billion dollar surplus' should never again happen as that is flat out over taxation. The Liberals got greedy and began enjoying those large numbers and promoting them as signs of good governance the Conservatives have put balance back into place and for that they have earned my vote this time around.
Maynard
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Jay, Ottawa
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A little dramatic no?
Here's what I don't like about the Conservatives and why I can't decide how to vote.
(1) Flaherty left a mess in Ontario and tried to hide a deficit by selling a highway. Is he doing the same again? Are we only in the black because of the wireless auction? I'd prefer an income tax cut over GST cuts. All the little things I bought went up in price after the GST cuts. I don't think I've saved more than a few dollars. The move didn't buy my vote either like they hoped so what was the point?
(2) Often when conservative-leaning politicians implement a "get tough" policy it backfires. Like the Wars on Drugs. Drug use went up. We're in a good position because crime has been going down since the 90s. So will the problem area of gang violence get better or worse when Conservatives "get tough"? We need to figure out how to prevent the crime, not just punish it. Even with an extra few months on a sentence there is likely still a victim.
(3) It's time to start living greener. Germany decided to invest in solar energy technology many years ago and now is a world leader. Where is our leadership that is going to take us in that direction? It's not Harper.
(4) As evidenced by these forums the Conservatives are using Divide and Conquer politics to made EVERYTHING a divisive issue. To made progress on any of issues 1,2 or 3 we need to work together as a nation.
Karen
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J.C.
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Leaders play an important role in government but so too does the backroom.
I don't see the need for Harper to lay out a plan as he has stated many times that he will follow on the course he has taken since his last election which laid out his plan thoroughly. Go back and look it up if you have questions regarding "his plan". Albeit it likely would have been better for him to have repeated it during this election time since he is insisting to stay the course. Personally I find his party to be more centralist then they used to be. I find the Liberals seem to be leaning more left than their party used to be.
I think the biggest con political artist was Trudeau when he took down Joe Clark's minority government with the promise of not raising the price of oil and then almost doubled the price when he got voted in by those who believed him at the time and put this country into deep deficit. I am sorry that Joe Clark did not get in as I was not taken in by Treadeau at the time. Promises, Promises. Check the facts please!! Vote wisely.
Jack - AB
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Yes, Harper did pay down debt with the big surpluses he inherited from the Liberal run government before his came into power. Thanks goes to the Liberals for leaving behind a system that allowed surpluses. In 2 1/2 years Harper has managed to get rid of almost all the surpluses and will not be able to pay off anymore debt in the coming years or even have money for new spending ( and may even cut back on social programs ). He very likely will run into deficits in the coming year and add back to the debt. But then why should people care about paying off their debt when they can just pass it along for others to pay off for them??
The Liberals ran large surpluses because they realize the debt had to be reduced before baby boomers retire. Harper wants a balanced budget, with very low taxation, which means no or little debt reduction and may even add to debt during economic slowdown or recession.
Kevin in Toronto
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Debt repayment is supposed to designated in the budget.
There's never any need to ever run a massive surplus. Paying down the debt or not. Debt repayment is part of your budget.
People should know where their money is going before it's taken.
Jean Pierre - An Acadian in BC
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Look at what he has dont - The country is in a mess- He sest a fixed election date and BREAKS his own law, He is a control freak-
As a former Maritimer - I am sure the Alantic province will NOT give Harper a majority, COME ON PEOPLE
Smell the coffee before Harper put a tax on it.
If he get a majority - he will bring Canada down the same road his Buddy G BUSH has done to USA.
so on OCT 14 - remember your ABC's -
ANYONE BUT CONSERATIVE
DanBC
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The accusation that the Tories have no plan is silly. The plan is what they already doing, which is their record of governance, of reducing taxes. Perfect? No, but certainly far less interventionist, than what all the other lefty parties, Liberals included, are threatening to do. This country will be in desperate economic straights if the Liberals gained power and decided to overtax everybody with their fraudulent carbon tax. Can you say Liberal Slush Fund?
Frank
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Dick Varley
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What school of economics from outer space did you attend. Production is the strength of any economy. Government, social programs and the service industries do not create production. Trudeau in particular created a forty-eight billion dollar debt which became the most significant part of this countries deficit. He did this by introducing more centralized government and increased social spending. Martin and Chretien played hocus pocus with the economy by forcing federal deficit financing onto the provinces. Mulroney increased the deficit by roughly fifteen percent but largely due to the necessity of making a transition from the Trudeau era. Mulroney brought in NAFTA and other programs to strengthen industrial development.
Further. the present fiasco in the USA has many root causes. However, the major one is that the Americans and many other countries bought into the Keynesian theory that money had value in its own right. This has proven to be nonsense as we have decades of rabid inflation and the collapse of banking systems and huge losses in the market where margins are the call of the day.
The current Conservative government economic plan is an attempt to get back to the basics while maintaining a certain quality of life. More social spending and higher taxes will not achieve this objective. And, by the way, the Harper government has paid down more federal debt in two and half years than the Liberals ever did. Remember the Liberals addressed deficit spending by passing it onto the provinces. They did not address the debt.
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The atlantic Accord - a liberal vote buying scheme
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Off shore resources are the domain of the FEDERAL Government NOT the province. It is in the Constitution the Law of this country. We can think it is wrong or not like it but it is the LAW. The founding fathers only looked at fish as ocean resources and never thought of oil under the sea. So Newfoundland got to keep the offshore resources counter to the constitution.
Second. Once they got the revenues from the off shore resources they did not want the BILLIONS of dollars to count toward the province's finances when calculating the tranfer payments from Ottawa. So Newfoundland wanted the oil money PLUS transfer payment from the feds (read Ontario).
Ya great for Newfoundland but bad for the other provinces in the country. So the RIGHT thing to do was to tell Newfoundland that you are, or will be, a have province and it is your turn now to put back into confederation!!!.
Danny has been arogant and two faced in the whole arguement. Now announcing Newfoundland wants to be a have province and help support Ontario. Load of crap! What he wanted was the oil money PLUS the transfer payments.
The role of the Fed government is to do what is RIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY, not to buy votes in one province for their own political gain. The LIBERALS wrote the Atlantic Accord to buy votes in Alantic Canada. Harpers fault was to agree to keep such an outrageous accord. Once in Power he realized it was nothing more than a vote buying scheme. SO he ended it.
cory antonini
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Stephen Harper a person who refuses to take questions from the public, and he will not let his MPs speak to anyone without approving the message. His first move last election was to remove the media from the “scrum” after a parliamentary session. Instead, he set up a media room in which only pre-approved questions can be asked (US Rep. Method). He has refused all media appearance in which the general public can ask questions.
The role of the free media is to ensure that anything parliament does/decides can be questioned by you, the public—you, the employee of these people who we have elected to represent us. Would you hire an employee that refuses to answer your questions? That is what is happening, folks. We are about to lose the cornerstone of democracy. In a democracy the media ARE our eyes and ears in Ottawa, so by removing the media, he has blinded and muted us, Canadians. He is making himself and his party untouchable by the people.
Remember, counties do not lose democracy over night. It is eroded, slowly and secretly, step by step—Harper has already made the first step. Others have learned this lesson the hard way—control the media message and you will control the people. Take a look at China, Cuba, USSR, Bush’s USA (don’t stop there—look to history for more shocking examples). His next step will be to get rid of the voice of dissent (look at the cuts to arts and culture).
This is very serious, fellow Canadians.
Please consider the power we will give up by electing Stephen Harper. Let us not fail to heed the warnings. Vote for the party that you feel is the most democratic—your choice.
Hunter Mars
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This is the fool who wiped out thirty five billion dollars of Canadians savings with his lie about Income Trusts.
He is running on no platform other than some nifty ads of him wearing a blue sweater trying to soften his bully boy image.
Tea,Harpo is the perfect answer to seventeenth century economics.
F.C.
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I know it's hard to believe people have opinions other than your own, it's always been hard for Liberals to understand others opinions. That's why they have catchy names like "neo-con" handy to try and insult others with. Fortunetely I do not care.
As an adult I realize that people might not always agree with my views and that's fine. I don't feel the need to tell peple to "wake up" or call them "fools". I accept it and move on. The Liberals on this forum are like a bunch of children who just realized they aren't going to get thier toy and are determined to moan and cry as much as possible. Frankly, it's pathetic.
Spare me
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Why would anyone go to NFLD. ? I thought people only left.
david
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JC Kelan (Amherst, NS)
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Dion is not Chretien. Martin is gone. Manley is gone. Anyone with an iota of economic sense is gone.
The Liberals are left with a couple of left-wing professors and a failed NDP premier.
DM in SK
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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After your point about preferring good spelling, you indicated that you avoid "repition."
I want to avoid it, too, but don't know what it is.
P.S. Cheers. Just a little humour with a wink.
shelley
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David in NB.
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Like or hate him, Mr. Harper best represents, for me, what this country should be. Having said that, please avoid ad hominem attacks that insinuate that anyone who supports whatever party is "brainwashed". That is not the case. People, please, vote for your candidate, for whichever party. I'm just saying that Mr. Harper's party is getting my vote. I trust that your party will get your vote. Exchange ideas, not barbs. Please.
jeff
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Bob,Calgary,Alberta
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Jack - AB
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Cut taxes ( tax breaks to Oil companies, etc. ), cut government ( privatize and deregulate ), cut spending and social programs, cut surpluses, forget about paying off debt ( now that Harper has finally balanced the budget ), do little or nothing for the environment, increase military spending - $490 Billion over 20 years ( with more active participation in joint wars with the USA ), etc.
Going green will always cost more money to achieve. Meaning it costs less to do nothing for the environment. The Green Shift is one way to promote reduction of energy consumption ( GHGs ) but the timing for this plan is bad since economy is slowing down & energy prices are high making it a very tough sell.
Harper called the election now because:
1) He was able to pay off lots of debt with the Liberal surpluses
2) Dion would improve his English by next year and give a stronger fight.
3) Given more time Dion may have convinced more people that the Green Shift was good for the environment and able to sell it better ( it is unpopular today & costing the Liberal votes ).
4) Harper would have run deficits. We have a $2.9 Billion surplus now because of the sale of the airwaves which brought in $4.5 Billion.
5) Looks like Harper is running budgets with small surpluses when this will not be the case very soon.
Vote ABC
Art
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Dion's plan is designed to shift the tax burden not to increase over-all taxes. It also encourages research and development in areas that will provide economic prosperity in the future such as renewable energy sources. As much as those from western Canada might not like it, oil and gas are very limited natural resources which are going to run out sooner than we would like.
Joe Sanity
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al from calgary
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Since we are all fools who have been CONed Please tell us where Dion is going to get the money for his promises since he keeps saying everything raised by the green shift is going back into tax cuts I think its you who is being CONed.
To Ken:
Regarding cuts to the arts read the article by Lucia Cordila (name is more than likely spelled wrong) and please reply to that. I will read yours or anyone elses comments later for a response
to that article.
To All:
I have just discovered the reason all you liberals staffers who post are so scared of a Harper majority, its because you are afraid that he will run a good government and will keep being re-elected thus ending your days of patronage and entitlements.
To all the ABC's Out There.
Don't worry Harper will still govern correctly and not hold it against you
Frank, AB
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I have always been a right leaning voter, but I do have a sense of social justice and I find some of the ideas from the Liberal party intriguing, the national drug plan makes sense if they can get all the Provinces on board so they can centralize purchasing power. I just wish they would be realistic and then admit that they need x amount of tax dollars to implement there platform rather than introducing a poorly disguised green shift plan to get more tax dollars.
al from calgary
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Lucia Cordellia article is in today's edition of the Calgary Herald Once again sorry if I spelled the name wrong
Mike in ON
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Folks, how is that the fault of the Government? Shouldn't you be angry with the retailers? The Government held up their end of the deal - go bang on your local store manager's door and let him know what you think of the price increases!
jtk
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BUT, what we've not heard in mainstream media is the North American Union deal that is presently in its final stages. This would bring into effect the new currency, the AMERO which is not the first step into a worldwide currency and government.
If anyone has access to question Harper, please ask him why Canadians don't know anything about the plans already underway to unite Canada, USA, and Mexico. This is not good - and I am NOT a doom-and-gloomer.
roy
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Samantha
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Vot ANYTHING but Liberal. We need to clean out the rest of the crooks so that the liberals can rebuild with an honest slate of candidates.
John C
said
If you actually believe that Prime Minister Harper alone is completely responsible for the stock market dropping 20%, and nothing else that is happening in the rest of the financial WORLD has anything to do with it, you are either completely delusional or a Liberal hack.
Steve McC
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As an economist, one would have to be daft to believe that Canada will avoid a recession, given an 18% drop in the TSX since the election call.
Commodities and resource stocks are highly volatile and impact Canada's economic growth dramatically!
One does not qualify for EI benefits if s/he resigns without cause. Perhaps Mr. Harper you can get a job in a call centre or gas bar, but as an economist & Prime Minister you are clearly unqualified.
You were right to resign.
Dennis obertson
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I started to watched the French debate but after 20 minuites of that crap I moved on thinking perhaps the English one might bring something more for us, to my dismay I shut down after the first 15 minuites of that as well, the one thing it did do for me was to conirm that four of the five were nothing more than Junk Yard Dogs and vicious one at that, they forgot that most people will back the under dog so they may have given Mr. Harper a majority Government which will be OK with me as my other choices are from out of the question to just a bafoon!
Mr. Harper the first thing I would ask you to do is get rid of the Bloc Party as they are not a Federal Party and as such have no right being there and the second is pull up your boot straps and cancel Free Trade that is what has put us and the US in such a whole, I would only purchase products made in Canada the Commonwealth countries or the US and now I spend most of my time trying to find something made fron these countries, Brian whats his name brougt this crap to us and look what we did to him please don't you go that route or we will be forced to send you packing as well!
Dennis
Not Paying anymore
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Alan - Toronto
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You don't "get" a surplus "from" anybody. A surplus is an annual surplus of revenues iver expenses. The National. Debt is what you inherit.
Bob Rae inherited HUGE surpluses and a sound economy from David Peterson. In less than 5 years he alost bankrupted Ontario by massive over-spending while killing the private section. That would be the same Bob Rae you see in many photos standing just behind Dion.
Harper took over when the Libs had surpluses. He cut taxes big time, paid down $35+billion of the National Debt, and still has surpluses WHILE he was daily badgered by "Taliban Jack", 'It's hard to make decision Stephane" and "I want, I want, I want Gilles".
Harper did not (because he could not) INHERIT surpluses. Understand before you take a stand.
BTW - Politically, Harper is more like Clinton than Bush. Try if you must, but the label just doesn't stick.
RS
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Tony
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R/H Ontario
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"The young people have the answer; its just that the older in general don't want to hear it. Maybe because it's like a computer... they fear what they DO NOT understand."
Not very nice, Ian. Just remember, one day you too will be a doddering old Geriatric!
Signed;- 72 years young and also computer literate, plus voting Conservative.
Dean in NL
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On a side note I didn't agree with May attending the leader debates, with no one currently elected or getting elected her party does not represent any Canadian.
I think I will start my own party, become leader, gain some national support, afford some signs and demand to be in the debate. Oh, and as an oridinary tax paying Canadian I agree with the arts cuts, if an artist can't make on their than obviously they aren't that good and should consider another line of work. If they want the government to support them go on welfare, but don't use crap art as an excuse to get my money. Thats my rant, if you don't agree with it thats why we live in a free country so you can say what you want and I can voice my opinion.
Doug
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As a westerner, I have never had a problem with BC paying equalization to help other regions.But,there is NO WAY Atlantic Canada can convince me that my tax dollars should continue to flow there AFTER they find their economies are as strong as those in the "have" provinces.
Nor do I accept that those provinces who prefer a more socialist,high tax style of government should be able to legislate that on the whole country.If we chose to be more conservative in the west,that should be our choice.Not the choice of a bunch of latte sipping,dot com yuppies from downtown Toronto.
These posts here just confirm my suspicions that the Liberals cater to two elements in our country.One that wants all the decisions to be made in Ottawa,and a huge group of individuals and lobbyists that want something for "free".
Canada is now a sovereign nation in name only.Maybe we have to face up to the reality that regional differences leave us with very little in common any more.
Liberals always screwed those of us in the west.The NDP is a useless bunch of social engineers,and apparently Canadians in the east find even a touch of Conservatism to be some kind of an evil plot by G.Bush.
What a pathetic choice we have to make in October. We can elect Conservatives and make Atlantic Canadians very angry. Or we can return to the days of the Liberals screwing over western Canada.
Unity?? Yea. Sure!! Who really cares as long as "I get mine".
Jay
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I was leaning NDP until the leaders debate (and I watched both, english and french as this election is THAT important)and heard Harper's responses. I am now leaning Liberal as I realized he's an out of touch republican.
But how people can get on here and write that the green shift is wreckless and an embarrassment is weak. The NDP and Green platforms aren't much different so why single out only the liberals?
Why not READ the plan for yourself instead of relying on the conservative commercials to tell what you should think.
This strategy is done in other countries and the only leader that doesn't have a plan is harper. What a minute! he hasn't released a platform yet either, but seems to be quite good at fear mongering and denigrating the others as a scare tactic.
So to those that are voting conservative what is it 'exactly' are you voting for, and please, no Sarah Palin jibber jab either. Let's put some meat on this election!
MM
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Richard L. Provencher
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JA
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Greg in the Hammer
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This is after 13 LONG YEARS of outright Liberal Lies under Chretien and Martin. 13 years of corruption, 13 years of accomplishing virtually nothing of significance despite massive majorities with no effective opposition, 13 years of lining the pockets of Liberal Party hacks and friends, 13 years of no action at all on the government and 13 years of straining relations with our closest ally and biggest benefactor the United States.
Mo
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Henry Wysmulek
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Anywhere the ndp gain power, they only destroy the economy and turn the place into a welfare state.
Just look t what they did in Ontario, Saskatchewan, and currently in Manitoba.
Their whole economic strategy is to go crawling to Ottawa for more and more handouts!
Justin (Political Science/Economics student)
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Has anyone ever thought about what Harper has said...nothing but stupid promises that will increase demand for gas and then raise the price. His environmental plan has a 65$/ton carbon tax at the pumps which he doesn't mention. He killed the surplus and traditional fiscal conservatives believe in a small buffer which the liberals use to do, in case the economy didn't do as well as predicted. He offers tax credits to buy houses when we should be slowing down housing production or else we will have a similar housing problem as in the US. His plans are not sound economics and they will not help jobs or cut taxes.
For those who commented about the Liberals not defending Atlantic Canada, remember who sends equalization your way, remember who helped invest in roads and attract business with a regional development board. I'm from New Brunswick and to compare Harper to Lord. Bernard Lord didn't know what he was doing and led the most secretive government in NB's history which saw deficits each year, killing beds in public health care, a laissez-faire approach, political moves between school boards in one city or an other, being quiet and following people instead of leading. For NB'ers, do you really want an other Bernard Lord in Ottawa like Harper but worst.
For most of the people on this board, I suggest you actually look at the platforms of all the parties...wait... the Liberals brought out their platform first and the Conservatives still haven't, economic leadership???
I also suggest that people on here learn economics or do research on actual documents because at university it's called "speaking out of your ass" when you don't know what your talking about.
Jim from Ontario
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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The previous Liberal government(s) managed to attain budgetary surplus, largely, by screwing the provinces of the country (manipulating transfer payments) and overtaxing each one of us, so they could sit back with a twisted, arrogant smile and claim to be so fiscally and economically responsible.
Nonsense. Wash the "SUCKER" stamp off your forehead. They stole and squandered our money and tried to make us all feel fortunate. In Ontario, because he's a lock-step Liberal, McGuinty won't talk about the financial kick in the groin Ottawa delivered.
Surpluses represent an EXCESS of OUR money. Used recklessly, they are a disincentive to reign in wasteful government spending and forge greater public-sector efficiencies. They are, indeed, a necessary tool of debt repayment...but, to the Liberals, they're just a political tool and an opportunity to practice economic voodoo.
Cate Ridley
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Jay, Ottawa
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Folks, how is that the fault of the Government?"
It's not as simple assigning fault and pointing at someone. The situation highlights the government's inability to develop a comprehensive plan for a change like this. I would have to say that if you cut a tax, but inflation manages to undo any cost reduction, your policy implementation was a failure.
Marc Coquitlam B.C.
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Michael
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Will
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The fact that the Liberals had many chances to counter the Conservatives in their minority government state, but did not, speaks volumes on the lack of leadership and vision that the Liberals claim to have.
We need a strong Canada, and Mr. Harper has shown that even handicapped he can make things happen.
Dylan Stone
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Don in Fredericton
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Dave in Downtown Newington !
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Jack(working for the workers)Layton....When on the Toronto Council with wife Olivia Chow he resided in a two (or three) bedroom apt. in a subsidised housing complex,claiming he needed to be with the poor people he represented. Nice!Jumping an eight year waiting list somehow with a combined income of prolly $200k a year and depriving a NEEDY family of a home.That's the REAL Jack?
Dion...now has Bob(tax until they're bankrupt)Rae who cost everyone in Ontario earning over $40k about $2000 a year in extra tax and still managed to nearly make Ontario a third world country(and losing us thousands of Doctors!) riding shotgun and is firmly sticking to his Greenshift that anyone who takes time to calculate(Please do it)will put half the pensioners I know out of their homes and on the street!
Check what you are paying now and add 40% if he ever gets in power.
May....A treehugger (not a bad thing) that has no idea of anything other than to close down every oil refinery and plant that pollutes...
That leaves our Mr H...Can be forgiven for not doing much so far as the opposition blocked his every move....but I want to see his platform (What is he gonna do with his majority) before committing my vote.
Here in SD&G we have an independant running (Howard Galganov) that I am voting for unless Mr H tells me what his plans are.
I worked damn hard all my life to get a nice little house to retire in and I will not vote for a tax crazy govt. that wants to see me back in a one bed apartment counting the pennies!
That's my ten cents worth!
Chris Ont
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They closed all those child care spaces the liberals created.
They cancelled the long awaited helicopter contract to replace the aging copters we had.
They had the nerve to do what they said they would do, must be a hidden agenda.
They say their platform is stay the course, no need for knee jerk reactions instead of raising taxes and costs to help out my friends with hand out because that is their right.
They had the nerve to stop overtaxation and put money back in the taxpayers pockets, they should have raised taxes for you and your friends benefit.
They called an election, when it should have been up to us the natural governing party.
Remember we spent the better part of thirteen years brainwashing you, now is not the time to lose hope.
Ray
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Jim Lad
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Lest we forget!
Can't get serious
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When my wife and I purchased our matching Bentley Continentals last year it saved us over $6000...
Just a bit of humour !
Clara in Toronto
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MR from Mississauga
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Paul R. Martin
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Lowell
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Rick in Vancouver
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- The current federal Conservative Strategy is derived from FAILED international Conservative strategies of the past (Mulroney in Canada--hello!--Harris and the CSR in Ontario, Major in the UK, Howard in Aussieland, Bush Doctrine in the US).
- Tory times are tough times, and the Liberals need to repeat this a 1000 times over! Wake up!
- Canadians seems to forget all the nonsense comments Harper has made in the last 10 years. Comments that were based on the failed international Conservative strategy.
- Harper's current ad campaign is almost identical to the Harris ads from the 95/96 Ontario election...sweater vest, soft tone, caring with people. We know where that gets an economy....you get a very short-lived influx of cash that dries up in four years...so you end up with an economy that seems to post surpluses while reducing taxes meanwhile the Conservative governments knows the influx of cash is short-term and they are hedging their bets on another miracle influx of cash!
- The biggest mistake one can make in life is not learning from previous mistakes. The world has experienced the Conservative Strategy and many countries, including Canada, have proven that it doesn't work. What more do we need?
- When did Canadian politics become about the leader and less about the party? What good is a party with a solid leader that has a weak team? Although Harper and Layton may be strong leaders, they cannot run the entire government (no matter how hard Harper tries)...Canadians need to realize that there is only one party with a strong team filled with people of federal EXPERIENCE...the Liberals.
Mykey, The Lakehead
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billp
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Drew in NS
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Newfoundlanders are smarter and I'm sure they will put Danny Williams on notice that his temper tantrums belong in the corner for a little time out.
R.J. Robert
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Color me RED!
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AW from Toronto
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The honest truth is, I used to be a die-hard Liberal - the result of daily "brain-washing" in my highschool, peer-pressure, and media influence. Even back then I didn't stoop so low as to use personal attacks on those who didn't share my views.
In the face of a possible recession, economy is what matters the most to me now as I'm preparing to enter the workforce next spring. I shudder to think what more taxes proposed by the oppositions would do to the economy. If all my potential employers are forced out of the country due to high taxes, what should I do then? Wait around for government welfare? I don't think so!
I know my vote for the CPC in my riding will not win them a seat in the parliament, but at least they'll know that even in the Liberal-Red GTA there's someone who's rooting for the Conservative-Blue.
Layton B in Moncton NB
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"This is after 13 LONG YEARS of outright Conservative Lies under Harper and Flarety. 13 years of corruption, 13 years of accomplishing virtually nothing of significance despite massive majorities with no effective opposition, 13 years of lining the pockets of Conservative Party hacks and friends, 13 years of no action at all on the government and 13 years of bowing down and kissing the ass and taking orders from our closest ally and biggest benefactor the United States."
I for one don't like the prospects of a Harper majority. His economic plan is already helping to kill the stock market, hope no one had money in the TSX. His tax cuts for the rich and crumbs for the other 85% of the population do little to impress me. The lack of foresight on issues such as climate change, peak oil and private medicine scare the be-jesus outta me. Mind you Harper is no stupid man, he has sold snake oil from coast to coast, the worst part is that so many people are buying it. But the best is his job creation plan for Atlantic Canada, its called Fort MacMurray. FYI, our economy out here is NOT equal to that of the rest of Canada, our wages are significantly lower, our access to health care is worse and we have generally higher unemployment. So all you folks out there who think we're living high on the hog out east here, WAKE UP!! You just bought another Reform Party LIE.
Robbie from Toronto
said
BECAUSE THE MAN IS RUNNING WITH NO PLATFORM!
What is this? A grade 8 student council election?!
David Dunlop
said
Choose one:
A) What a brainiac!
B) What a moron!
C) He is gonzo!
D) Our next PM.
Geoff
said
If ever me needed a strong majority government that can act without petty bickering, it is now.
Walter
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Paul out West
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The other leaders have plans and published platforms, Harper has none.
Need we say more?
Jake Lieuwen
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Jerry Younge
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Ken Pope
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marion l
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Harper is joined at the hip with Bush. He is a control freak as well.
George from Brampton
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Think, use your heads. My daughter works at OPG and their calculations state they will pass along their carbon charge and your hydro will DOUBLE. Your heat will DOUBLE. The goods, (everything) shipped by rail, truck, boat, their cost will be passed on to you and you WILL pay more.Nothing on the horizon to replace diesel engines. Dion will have to CUT taxes so drastic it is not feasible. He has stated he is taking 40B out of the tax for other projects, this money should be coming back to taxpayer if it is revenue neutral. You are like mushrooms, been kept in the dark and fed manure. To those that think Harper is resonsible for stock market problems, it has to do with the US and nothing to do with Canada. This is just a fallout from the US. If you can afford to play the market, you can afford to loose. There are safer places to invest than the stock market but not as high a return. It is called RISK FACTOR. That is why I do no invest in the market.
plail
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JS
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Jack - AB
The reason the Libs had huge surplusses is because Mulroney left them with NAFTA and the GST to help with the deficit. Martin, as finance minister used them plus cutting health transfer payments to the provinces, cut defence spending, expropriated some $48 billion from the Unemployment Insurance Fund and some $16 billion from the Public Service Pension Fund to name a few. So, Jack, next time you have to wait a long time to see a doctor, you can thank the Libs for that.
Todd Harris - Toronto
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Cheers!
munha
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Mr Harper called election because he knew that Mccain will go down, and Mccain is Bush and Bush is Harper, so they all play the same role, that`s why he called election before the result of Mr OBAMA the next president of USA. if we give him majority that`ll be disaster.
Dave from Toronto
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Don't you read the business news? This is happening when Harper is PM, and he does nothing other than to say, don't worry...trust me.
Well no way! I can't trust someone, who won't trust me to review his plan, before I make a decision and vote.
Larry C
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Harpo Marc
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People are starting to realize a vote for Harper is a vote for ignorance of the REAL issues facing this countr. Harper has guessed wrong on the "strength" of our economy, he ignores the environment, he ignores the economy. What is Harper? An Ostrich? he sure buries his head in the Sand a lot… wonder who's speech he can steal from next. Weak.
bren in fredtown
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Chet malone
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Marg, Richmond
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If you DON'T like the cut in GST, the fact that our military now has proper uniforms & equiptment, the pension income-spliting for seniors, the soon to be $5000.00 tax free account, the fact that our economy is on track,then vote Liberal. If you LIKE, scandals, corruption, broken promises, and taxes upon taxes, then also vote Liberal/NDP, as it seems they now are one & the same.
And to let those of you who think that the conservative posters must be getting paid, I can assure you that I am an ordainary Canadian who just happens to believe that the Liberals had their time in power, and could have implemented all the programs they are offering now, and chose not to. For all of you who like the alphabet so much, here are some new letters for you.
HATW Harper all the way!!!!
RAV
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Mike R.
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heather
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paul c
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Wade
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Nancy - My Grandparents would dump the Liberals
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bren in fredtown
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Harper miles ahead of the pack !!
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This is an endorsement of the Prime Ministers effectiveness.
A) Always
B) Be a
C) Conservative!
Dave Barton
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"All people care about is their pocketbooks! It is time to think about the environment,"
I agree that we all have to think about the environment,and I for one would be among the first to vote for a party that had a workable plan for improving it,but the Green-shift is not the way to do it,and neither is voting for the so-called green party.
I live in a rural area...a small village in eastern Ontario, and if the green shift is implemented it will cost me about $700 in year four.
My house has been totally renovated and has just about the max as far as insulation is concerned and triple glass windows...all appliances are the latest and the termostat is set at 18c,and I don't use the central air.
As all my nieghbours have said if this plan gets implimented we are all going back to wood stoves...and they are a REAL polluter.
This plan is just a Liberal tax grab that will do nothing for the enviroment and cause a marked increase in the cost of living,the real polluters merely passing the costs onto you and I without doing anything to actually reduce GHG output.
Ms May of the Green Party may have the good of the environment at heart,but the idea of just shutting down the tar sands and closing every plant that pollutes will reduce GHG all right,but will definately increase the line ups at the Canada Manpower offices!
I believe what this country needs is a full time full staffed govt run corporation that is fully funded and does nothing except research ways to reduce industrial pollution,work on renewable energy and design viable vehicles that run on hydrogen or battery power...that would benefit the whole world and create jobs
That is where I want to see my money going, not on some tax scam.
George from Brampton
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Marlin
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Canada is in for some very hard times like everyone else in the G8. I want a Government that is equipped to stimulate not stiffle the economy. I want a leader that looks and acts like a leader.
Everyone that slams Mulroney should also remember that NAFTA allowed the Chretien and Martin governments to enjoy the large UNDECLARED surpluses. Without it we would have been set back many years.
Edward J Smith in Newfoundland
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In my hometown of Corner Brook, in western Newfoundland, we alone need 75 million dollars a year to replace crumbling sidewalks, roads, and water and sewer lines, and we need at least another 90 million dollars for a sewage treatment plant to stop the flow of thousands of litres of raw sewage in our beautiful Bay of Islands.
I wrote you as an ordinary citizen two years ago and asked you to visit our town and helps us. You never came.
Too bad that you have waited a week before the election for this 300 million dollar announcement.
Why not take some of the 50 billion dollar surplus from the Employment Insurance fund and use that for regional economic development?
That would really make people think you are serious.