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Date: Mon. Sep. 29 2008 8:51 PM ET
Canada's TSX tumbled more than 840 points after the U.S. Congress defeated a bailout plan for the financial sector Monday, and NDP Leader Jack Layton called for an all-party meeting to address the situation.
Toronto's S&P/TSX index was down 840.93 points to 11,285.07 in afternoon trading Monday, its biggest drop in nearly eight years.
Don Drummond, Chief Economist at TD Bank, told CTV's Mike Duffy Live on Monday that Canada, like many other nations, is feeling the credit crunch that has hit the U.S.
He said credit is flowing more freely here in Canada than in the U.S. but the cost of credit has gone up.
"If you've got 'bank' in your title I don't care what country in the world you're at, you are feeling this impact, just not quite as heavily as in the United States," said Drummond.
New York's Dow Jones industrial average lost 777.68 points to 10,365.45 -- its biggest point-loss in history. The Nasdaq composite index fell 199.61 points to 1,983.73 and the S&P 500 lost 106.85 to end the day at 1,106.42.
Also Monday, the Federal Reserve, the Bank of Canada and other central banks took further action to help reverse the credit crisis.
The Bank of Canada said it, along with the Federal Reserve, have agreed to expand their reciprocal currency arrangement to US$30 billion -- a jump from the US$10 billion announced Sept. 18.
Economy politics
Following the rejection of the bailout in the U.S., NDP Leader Jack Layton called for an all-party meeting because it could result in agreement on "points of common action, and perhaps an appropriate common statement."
"Our first and essential concern must to make sure that the savings, pensions, homes and jobs of ordinary working families are safe and secure," Layton told reporters.
A spokesperson for Conservative Leader Stephen Harper said there would be no such meeting and that the proper place for this kind of discussion would be the upcoming federal debates.
The NDP's Paul Dewar told CTV's Mike Duffy Live on Monday that he hopes that Harper reconsiders a meeting between all party leaders, the governor of the Bank of Canada and the deputy minister of finance to assess the situation and look for solutions.
"We've seen in the United States there has been a reach across the aisle amongst parties to look at the crisis that faces not just government, not just markets, but everyday people," said Dewar.
Conservative candidate Ted Menzies said Canadian banks are in good shape because of Stephen Harper's leadership, and there's no reason to bring in other leaders for advice.
"If he's going to bring in Jack Layton and Stephane Dion, both of whom have pretty substantially suggested they want to drive us into a recession, perhaps we don't need that sort of financial advice right now," said Menzies.
Liberal John McCallum also dismissed the suggested meeting and characterized it as "posturing" on the part of the Layton.
"The fact that (Layton) would have a $50 billion tax grab of corporate income tax, thereby killing jobs of all those people around the kitchen table suggests to me he doesn't understand economics, so I'm not sure what Jack could contribute," McCallum said.
Liberal Leader Stephane Dion released a statement on the financial fallout, saying he was "extremely concerned about the effect today's events will have on our economy and the savings of ordinary Canadians."
The statement went on to say previous Liberal governments had a type of "rainy-day" fund to deal with sudden downturns in the economy.
"That is why under Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin, Liberal governments committed to sound fiscal management, the cornerstone of which was maintaining a $3-billion contingency fund," read the statement. "A new Liberal government will return to this practice -- a prudent measure irresponsibly abandoned by the Conservative government."
The statement echoed what former Liberal prime minister Paul Martin said earlier in the day at an Economic Club of Canada meeting, that governments should stay in surplus as it's the best was to fend off a deficit.
"What you've got to do is prepare yourself for it. What does that mean? Well, it really means that you don't say, 'We're running a surplus and what a terrible thing this is' and wipe it out," Martin said.
"You say to yourself, 'You know what I'm running the surplus for, I'm running the surplus so that if I don't need it I can pay down debt, or invest in infrastructure but if I do need it I can provide the country with the temporary respite for the country to get through it.'"
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.



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Al from Winnipeg
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Robin the Hood
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What concerns me is that the right wing agenda may have caused more irreparable damage than even I had feared possible. I fear the spillover into Canada. I now pray it won't be as bad as its looking now and that the right wing and all their brainless minions will be put back in their place .. the dustbin of history!
Ms. L.
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Garry in NS
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Greg G from Cobourg,ON
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Vince m
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Shane
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Vince M
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The US will do just fine over time.
Socialism is killing us
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Mike
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island girl
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It proves the price of oil is merely speculation, not supply and demand so it is falling (too bad!) to where it should be. Good. It also says the housing surplus could be absorbed by early next year, far earlier than I ever thought it would. Pretty good report I think, for the average person trying to put food on the table and avoided debt. So so sorry for the fat cat speculators.
HP in Ottawa
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The stocks, along with the market will all recover in time and the more people buy the better for the market.
Right Wing Don
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James
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Robin the Hood
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Sorry, was wrong on that one point.. they are even too arrogant and stupid to approve a bail out to save their own country - and ours - from a Depression like crash of the markets.. complete and utter fools to the nth degree. They actually didn't bother to listen to Warren Buffett's warning.. WOW!.. well, at least they have now committed political suicide for sure.. one positive in this storm.
sitting in the weeds
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Absolutly right ! buy,buy,buy, and when the panicked start coming back in............ up,up,up.
Alan - Toronto
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It's the jump-off-the-wagon tendencies you display that unsettles the market.
The Canadian marketplace will affected by the US market, BUT we are in quite a different place. Governments have not been running insane deficits for decades. We have an intelligent economist in charge, not a whacko.
Quit the fear-mongering and relax. If we do hit rough waters, I'd rather have someone positive in charge than a doomsday advocate.
PJ
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After all they are just a bunch of people in another world, even if in the same hemisphere as Canada we really don't need them to exist really do we like eveyone is lead to believe?
Larry in Wpg
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DB Cooper
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As for how this will affect us (other than the obvious), the US is our largest trading partner and the vast majority of our exports go stateside. A downturn in their economy will mean a corresponding downturn in ours.
Nick J Boragina
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IRV
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Hang on folks, the times they are a changing!
George from Winnipeg
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DjS
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There is not a thing the normal person can do.
Greedy #%$(#%'s
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We all suffer as a result.
I have no doubt they will get it right and bring this bill into law and proved financial stability to the crediut marklets in teh States but all this could and should have been avoided.
In Canada we NEED to outlaw shorting of stocks. We NEED to stop investment bankers from trashing the markets. We NEED to get some teeth into regulatory services and not just have a face on it.
Mike
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Carolyn
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Ken Riley
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The other Canadian
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Looks good on them.
Tim
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JJ from Saskatoon
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5th Generation Canadian
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Ian in Guelph
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Let's pray that nobody tries to sell these irresponsible financial decisions as being something that they're not. That's what got those poor folks into this trouble in the first place.
Zoran
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Anila from Vancouver
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In a couple of months things should be clearer and that Polson was lobbying for his buddies.
Andrew Koornstra, Harriston, Ontario
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Robin the Hood
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So you admit then that this "in your face" US capitalism is like being in a frying pan if not in the fire... interesting admission! Having some doubts perhaps? ;-)
Sound like the cracks are a crackin.
George
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Oh, but many of you think I should vote Conservative because Harper is so good at managing the economy.
If the economy just happens, because of the USA, we don't need Harper.
I definitely don't want him managing the armed forces, the environmnet or the arts.
Sorry Stephen, your supporters have talked me out of even considering you as an option.
Liz
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pat
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Reece
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I don't know about you, but when I fill up at a gas station I always think of Mulroney.
FreakAlert
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And, what does this cost Canadian tax payers Mr Carney?
steve
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It's about time
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CaptainMorgan
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Martin
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Charles(BC)
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Alex Nelson
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Vivian Hansen
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Wolfe at the door
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Charles Reid
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Also, this crisis was not started by free market ideologists, although they continued along the same path.
The whole idea, originally sprung out of the Clinton era. In the early 90's they created the Fanny Mae and and Freddie Mac set ups. The idea was to make every American family a home owner.
Both these companies were under exterme pressure to lend money to all and sundry, regardless of their financial situation, even to the extent of counting Unemployment pay and Welfare pay as income.
Particular emphasis was put on lending to low income black people and latino's. Clinton , of course picked up huge support from these groups and the Democrats still do, which, of course, was the whole point.
dwayne
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Conservatism is killing this country
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Chris J from Barrie, ON
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Jayson K Mendoza
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Reading these posts shows that almost nobody in this comment area has any idea what they are talking about in regards to economic policy and how the markets work.
There are few things the Feds can effect in a free market which generally has an effect on inflation.
1) Central Bank Interest rate - high interest rate generally encourages saving and reduces the cash being injected into the economy. This lowers inflation and the reverse is also true.
2) Federal reserve rate - This is the amount of cash assets each bank must hold of their total accounts (ie your checking and saving account balances). This has a drastic effect on the economy and is generally left up to the banks. Increasing this rate lowers the rate at which banks produce wealth and money, thus lowering inflation. This is a less then optimal way to effect it.
3) Deficit spending - This is unpopular with Canadian's but its a legitimate short term strategy. When an economy slows government spending can stimulate business and "jump start" the economy again. However this is a bad long term strategy as it is not sustainable. The reverse is also true, having a high surplus is also bad for the economy because it means the government has removed a bunch of wealth from it and is leaving it idle.
The best any Prime minister can do is the following...
1) Use government spending to generate business for the private sector over the short term.
2) Look for and emphasize trade with other nations
3) Work to re-assure citizens that their economy is under control. (If people get into a fear frenzy the economy will spiral downward out of control)
4) Make Canada more attractive for business
Darryl
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Robb in Oilberta
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I agree, the system is flexible enough to handle this and will bounce back and I also agree, it would not matter which party is in power, it's going to happen period.
wc
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The litle guy gets nothing out of this but more economic pain whether "The Handout" goes through or not.
So, who cares?
Makinaw Dandy
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scott
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brendan in fredricton
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I agree...im making a killing buying everytime it crashes. Hilarious. Most of this is perpetrated by the ignorant responding to sensationalism from he press..and the liberal spinners. The canadian economy is the safest in the world..so buy Canadian mutuals
Tony, Ontario
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bren in fredtown
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Gary Toronto
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Gail (Hamilton)
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Chris
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