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Date: Thu. Sep. 25 2008 11:11 PM ET

A Republican revoltstalled talks Thursday for the massive multi-billion-dollar rescue package for Wall Street that had appeared earlier in the day to be a done deal.

Negotiations broke down just hours after President George Bush and the two men vying for his job met for a historic White House meeting.

Earlier in the day the $700 billion bailout deal appeared to be imminent. But things fell off course Thursday night after Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain met with Bush and other key lawmakers.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson sped to back to Capital Hill late Thursday to revive or rework the plan with Congressional leaders. But those meetings ended at 10 p.m. EDT after the lone House Republican involved left an earlier.

Talks are set to continue Friday morning.

House Republicans are in revolt over the plan, balking at the massive amount of money and the role the government would play in the private markets.

Additionally, Democrats are saying that McCain is hurting the negotiations.

"McCain and the Republican caucus are blocking this bill," Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat, told reporters Thursday night.

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who attended the White House meeting, harshly condemned McCain.

"I would suggest that anyone in that meeting that tried to understand what John McCain said in the meeting, couldn't... John McCain did nothing to help. He only hurt the process," Reid said.

The House's Republican leader, John Boehner of Ohio, said that he didn't know if McCain could help the situation.

Late Thursday, McCain's campaign issued a statement saying, "the plan that has been put forth by the administration does not enjoy the confidence of the American people as it will not protect the taxpayers and will sacrifice Main Street in favour of Wall Street."

The tentative deal would give the Bush administration about $250 billion of the $700 billion it has requested up front, with at least half the money subject to congressional veto, according to Capital Hill aides.

"Conservative Republicans in the House . . . are really balking at this deal," Newsweek magazine's Eleanor Clift told CTV Newsnet Thursday night.

McCain's campaign released a statement late Thursday saying, "the plan that has been put forth by the administration does not enjoy the confidence of the American people as it will not protect the taxpayers and will sacrifice Main Street in favour of Wall Street."

But Sen. Richard Shelby, top Republican on the Banking Committee, emerged from the White House meeting and said, "I don't believe we have an agreement."

In an evening news conference, Obama suggested that McCain hurt the negotiations.

"When you inject presidential politics into delicate negotiations, it's not always as helpful as it could be," Obama said.

"If you are not worried about who's getting credit or who is too blame, things move forward a bit more constructively."

The meeting

Bush allowed reporters into the West Wing room just before the start of the meeting.

"All of us around the table ... know we've got to get something done as quickly as possible," Bush said.

Obama and McCain were seated at distant ends of the oval table, where they weren't even in each other sight lines. Neither candidate said anything before the television cameras left to allow the meeting to start.

Earlier Thursday, Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd said he believed Congress could act within days to pass a bill for the final bailout package.

Republican Bob Bennett said, "I now expect that we will indeed have a plan that can pass the House, pass the Senate (and) be signed by the president."

Earlier, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Democrats and Republicans had been working behind closed doors to hammer out the agreement. She had said it would likely include taxpayer protection in the US$700 billion package to help the ailing American banking and housing sectors.

White House Spokesperson Dana Perino had said legislators can "hopefully close on a framework where we can get this legislation passed."

Wall Street was cautious Thursday, as the Dow Jones industrials closed some 196 points higher, but that was down from larger gains earlier to the day.

Presidential politics

Both McCain and Obama have tried to take the lead on the economy as it has become the foremost issue in the election campaign.

McCain made the astonishing move to suspend his campaign to focus on the economy Wednesday, saying that he would skip Friday's debate if a bailout package was not worked out.

"Anytime McCain get down in the polls, he does something dramatic," Clift said, noting the surprise pick of Sarah Palin as his running mate. "Senator McCain has taken a number of bold moves in this campaign, he's basically a gambler at heart."

Obama responded that presidents have to do more than one thing at a time and said the debate was still on. As of Late Thursday, it was still unknown whether McCain would attend the debate.

Until the Bush meeting, neither candidate has been deeply involved in the bailout package negotiations.

The summit follows Bush's warning Wednesday night that the U.S. faces a "long and painful recession" if the rescue plan is not approved.

"Without immediate action by Congress, America could slip into a financial panic and a distressing scenario would unfold," Bush said in a primetime address.

If passed, the bailout will equal more than US$2,300 per every individual in America, including children and prisoners.

With files from The Associated Press

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Bronco
said

Let me get this straight......

A week ago everything was fine and 'fundamentaly sound'. But now, a week later, if this $700 Billion bill isn't approved immedmiately the result will be a 'long, painful recession'. And this is being proposed by the same president who vetoed a $7 billion dollar bill to provide medicaid to kids because it was too expensive.

As much as i don't especially like our politicians in Canada i do not feel they treat me with this level of contempt.


wb
said

And perhaps spending approximately 300 million dollars a day on a war that no one can win is just not cutting it anymore. All it has become is a power struggle for politicians. That's what happens to a country during wartime. Recessions, depressions. It is ridiculous!! 3000 years or more of history will never be changed. Take care of your own.


Buba
said

This plan shouldn't just throw cash at Wall St. as they did 20 years ago in the S&L debacle.
There needs to be some oversight.


James
said

The bailout certainly beats the alterative. For those people who remember the roaring 20's followed by the dirty thirties, there is a lesson in there. We need to pay attention to it. The best way to avoid a recession and especially a depression is to spend wisely and with confidence. Having trust in the economy is very important. I believe in a capitalist democracy. Problems will occur when the distance between the rich and the poor gets too long. An example might be Mexico.


Robert
said

A good indication as any that Canada needs to diversify its international business so that we don't rely so heavily on the US.

If the elephant goes down the drain it'll suck us down with it!

I hope evryone has good financial lifejackets, cuz she's sinking fast.


What goes around....
said

"If the human race wishes to have a prolonged and indefinite period of material prosperity, they have only got to behave in a peaceful and helpful way toward one another."

- Winston Churchill

When investment bankers steal from unsuspecting retail investors that earns its own reward.




James
said

This deal, if it is passed, should be a signal to all average Americans to rise up and take to the streets to show how disgusted they are with America's current economic situation. The leaders should lead. Instead they are reacting to something that has been a slow car wreck for months, if not years. The leaders believed that the corporations would work their way out of this mess. The leaders were counting on them to do that. The leaders were wrong, or at worst, incompetant. This "free market" system is anything but free. It is going to cost average Americans dearly, while the executives and politicians who caused this meltdown or let it happen walk away with fat bank accounts and no fear of consequences. "Nail them up!"


Greg -- Signs and Wonders
said

WOW... Surprising ? Bush ran 3 oil businesses in Texas into the ground prior to being president. Now, he's ran the largest democracy into the ground. What a track record he has going.


Nick in Gatineau
said

The US government will flip houses !!!
They will be the largest homeowner in America.

Ok ! 700 billion $ to buy-back all those mortgage-backed securities. This means a government institution will press a magic button to sell a home when the price is right ?

Who will run it ? How much will it cost ? Nothing was mentioned about this.

Will there be a New York Real Estate exchange ?

They refused to do this for all the slums in america, who for all intents and purposes, succumbed to the same price drop scenarios.
They refused to help in all the Emergency situations where lives were in physical danger: the hurricanes, the earthquakes, the floods, the fires. Where was, and IS, the US government for the Katrina victims who are still without their homes ?

The moment a financial institutions says '...darn, we won't get paid,... where's our cheque ? Hang on, we need figure out a way to screw the taxpayer first and then we'll give you your cheque.
This is a bad deal. Period. And the unfortunate part is that the financial institutions will all say yes to it while people lose their homes. These institutions have all accountability removed in one swift move.

All this so that Financial Institutions can lend money again - bad money. It does nothing to improve on the present situation, it simply removes the existing financial burden and tells the banks to pass go and get 200 $. And keep doing what they are doing. Don't worry the US treasury will always fix dice so they land on free parking.




Ruth
said

Wars are costly and Stephen Harper wants Canada to be like the U.S.
A little peek at what a Conservative government can do to the country.
They go around the world telling other people what to do and don't even take care of their own people.
Better watch what you wish for.


PhewD
said

It's urgent so that the Rich can stay rich...and the poor can spend credit on things they want and not need... but eh denial about the truth is grand and the rich (anyone one in the banking world) will rule the world

long live the American Dream!!



Don H. in K.L.
said

There will be dire concequenses regardless of whether the bailout is allowed or not. As I said before, it's nothing more than a band-aid solution and the world will eventually bleed out.


David in Ontario
said

What war was that? Iraq? Seems to me that the US won that war, but nobody noticed. Heck, Afghanistan is "hotter" than Iraq.

As for the economy going down the tubes, I dont' think it's a matter of paying for one over the other. I don't understand it myself, but I do understand it to be rather complicated


Steve in Fredericton
said

Outlandish greed by heads of corporations has created this mess. Giving them a multi-billion $ bailout will only serve to make these rich white-collar thugs even richer as they grab as much of the money as they can get.

Feeding this form of criminal greed will only spill over into Canada as our business leaders see that unbridled greed is rewarded through govt investment.

Besides, can anyone explain to me how banks and oil companies can post "record profits" every quarter and now, all of a sudden, require huge bail outs and loan guarantees? I think there's a wolf in the hen house.


Gender Neutral
said

This is a false bottom waiting to cave in again. Along with that, it's setting the government down a very dangerous path. Once the Feds bail out at this level, there is nothing stopping companys from taking other high risks, knowing they will get bailed out again. I think we in Canada, we will be a lot better off than in the US, but we will still take a hit. If the Conservatives hadn't implemented their policys, we would be in a much more dire situation. This is how millionaires are made though. Buy low...sell high. Buckle down people, this ride is only getting started!


KJ
said

This is just so wrong in so many ways and so very short-sighted. If you reward fraud and greed -- you get more fraud and greed. And who is suppose to rescue the government when it finally sinks under all the bad debt -- the sugar plum fairy perhaps....?


Michelle
said

Oprah has a way of turning things into gold. Let her run the country for a while. She'll suck that $2300 bucks from everyone's pocket buying Oprah's latest pick (save the US economy) and they'll thank her for it.



Buba
said

This is Bush playing his FEAR card again as he did to start the Iraq war.
When he can't play the greed card, he has to resort to fear tactics.


Ian in Guelph
said

It sure looks like the folks currently in power (not just in the administration) are scared about their own financial security. They want to make sure that their cronies can abscond with as much liquid cash as possible before November.

If the govt approves this, they should -retroactively- claw back any of the obscene bonuses that he CEOs, CFOs and whomever else managed to bilk from these companies... "So you say you just -happened- to get a bonus of 17 million dollars and then a short time later the whole system is bankrupt? I guess we could have really used that 17 million dollars for something other than your own gain.. and now we're taking it back."

The "Separation of Bank and State" now dissolves further.


Dean
said

Put the bankers in jail and let the chips fall where they may. Printing money to pay debts or otherwise doesn't work. It devalues the currency and countries who hold this currency will likely sell it off because it's not worth anything. This will cause further downward pressure on the dollar and a deeper recession. Put the people in jail who caused this fiasco.


Simon Shaw
said

CAPITALISM DIED last week. The United Socialist state of America has finally come to terms with this like the rest of the world. There are a few pseudo intellectuals that still believe in capitalism or a capitalist democracy as well as the tooth fairy and santa claus.I am deadly serious. I put those of you who still believe in the same basket as my nieces who live in this whimsical fantasy land we call childhood. I was once a firm believer and devout preacher of the capitalist ideaology. Years ago in my late teens and early twenties I saw capitalism for what it is.The mechanism by which the rich enslave the world while making themselves even richer. The mass bilking of America with this 700 billion package is tantamount to the same theft that occured with the creation of the Federal Reserve. Wake up America.


A nation is defined by its people....
said

I think it is misinformed to suggest Bush ran his country into the ground. That's too simple.

No, it was decades in the making. It takes many people to destroy a nation and many more who stand idly by and do nothing - people as well as politicians.

The same arguments happen here as political supporters throw accusations back and forth about what happened under such and such Prime Minister.

The fact is we are a product of successive Prime Ministers up till this point with both the good the bad and the ugly. Heck we voted them in!

What is important is not where we have been but where we are going as a nation.

Our economy is very good relatively speaking. There is a move to the right in Canada which will bring an end to the excesses of Liberal socialism and bring things back to center. That's a good thing for Canada to maintain a balance near the center.

As things balance out again more ideas will come along and we will depart the center once again to pursue those other avenues but for now it's a swing back to center.

Most of all it is important for all of us to get out and vote to have YOUR voice heard. We are all the stronger for it.

On October 14th get out and vote.




Bob in Ottawa
said

Wouldn't this bail out make everyone in the financial industry a public servant ?
(paid by the government)

Then they should get a public servant's pay ....


Greed destroys, socialism kills
said

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

- Winston Churchill


Very true... at the same time I have to admit capitalism and the lust for money do not make a nation great and we are seeing that now in the United States.





Gail in Halifax
said

To David in Ontario - It's kind of hard to claim you've "won" a war when your soldiers are still dying while fighting it.

The whole situation in the US is ridiculous. Educated and intelligent people all over the world spoke up YEARS ago over the economic and foreign policies Bush and his party were insisting on following against all good advice. The outcome was clear on the Iraq war and the US economy but Bush was too stubborn or stupid to listen, and now the American people have to deal with the fallout. We got tired of saying "I told you so" a long time ago. Maybe the $700 billion dollar bailout should come out of Bush's pocket and not the American taxpayers. I'm sure he's got a good downpayment on that with all the money he's been raking in through his oil company interests.


Eric
said

Capitalism did not die last week. What we are seeing is not a failure of capitalism. It is a failure of people. The bankers shouldn't have lent money to people who could not afford the mortgages. People should not have borrowed money when they couldn't afford to pay it back.

The U.S. government passed laws asking banks to lend money to people who could not afford to pay it back.

This mess was caused by people interfering with capitalism working as it should. Capitalism is about people doing what is in their best interest. The banks didn't do this and neither did the people borrowing money. Lending money to people who can't afford it is not in a bank's best interest. Taking a loan you can't afford is not in a person's best interest. Yet this happened on a massive scale. This is a failure of people NOT CAPITALISM.


Dd
said

Dave in Ontario...winning or losing a war isn't dependent on which country is "hotter."
Iraq is still a war zone. Fewer deaths doesn't automatically mean the war suddenly stopped costing the US money. They are spending a million dollars a minute on it!!! A country can only spend that kind of money for so long. Americans are going to be paying off this debt for generations. One other poster had it right...Bush ran oil companies into the ground...and now he has run the US economy into the ground.

Even worse, McCain is trying to prove he's "on top" of the situation...when in fact he's "racing back to Washington" as an excuse to delay both his and Palin's debates. What is he so afraid of? No doubt he can do zero to help with the bailout except get in the way.

Take note Canada. This is what a conservative minded government can do to our economy as well. ABC!!!


Reece
said

Interesting that the United States is now imobilizing an active military unit on American soil on stand-by. Could there finally be a coup attempt? Is it possible that the American people actually pose a threat to the deep corruption in the conservative gov't?


Bonnie
said

In 2005 a bill was written in Congress to correct the mortgage abuses at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Allan Greenspan spoke on end about how without the bill there would be a economic meltdown in 3-4 years. Exactly 100% of republicans voted for it and 100% of democrats stopped it. President Bush has spoken to Congress about this for the last 4 years. It is incredible that these same democrats and Obama and the main stream media are now pointing fingers of blame at Bush. The FBI is investigating this as we speak and we will see politicians and prominent democrats go to jail.


Dennis
said

If the people that are writting these comments knew what they are talking about they would be dangerous. I don't think anybody fully understands what is going on or what to do except throw borrowed money at it. I think we need, and I think you will see, more regulation in the financial sector.


Dave
said

Talk about a messed up system. It was Bush who dreamed up the sceme to make it affordable to buy houses. All a person had to do was pay the interest on the loan. So what about the principle? What I am wondering is that when this bail out comes, and the taxpayers are shelling out yet more money, execs are getting bonuses, what happens to all of the bad debt? Now when the goverment sells some of these properties, does the taxpayer get a percentage of the money brought in or does it just kick back to the goverment? And why are big financial institutions bidding on the contracts to how to properly bail out theses loans? You are the same clowns that started all of this.


Gerald
said

And with every passing day, Ron Paul's predictions come true yet still people do not listen to the man.

The US Government has no right to essentially steal this money from the public and spend it on worthless assets. Price fixing and stealing is not the answer.

A recession must happen to return the market to sanity. If you want to ease the length of the recession, cut government spending, cut taxes and watch as the people bail themselves out better than any government could.


God Save America
said

When George and his elitist friends say "Long and painful recession..." what they mean is, Long and painful recession for the political and financial elite of the Western world. These are the same people who are upset when the price of oil drops, when in reality that translates to more moderately priced gasoline for consumers or "End Users" as they've branded us. This "Long and Painful Recession" that Bush mentions has already been active for the middle class for quite some time. It isn't until the crisis begins to affect the elites that anything is done, and hilariously enough WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS MISTAKE, EVEN IN CANADA. How ridiculous. Don't bail out Wall/Bay Street... If this is truly a free market, we should let these idiots fail. Survival of the fittest. Doesn't matter though, this $700B plan was probably already decided upon last year so it WILL certainly be passed.


Lost Cause
said

Is this... could it be... socialism?

Har! Gotta love the sight of Bush embracing "commie" tactics on his way out of office.

Yo Harper - please don't try and pull this kind of crap in Canada if your rich friends end up bottoming out?


Average Joe
said

What a load of garbage!! Another bail-out where the rich will get richer. The executives involved in creating this mess will end up with the same scale of pay and the average joe will still be getting booted out of their devalued homes. No regard for the little guy here!


Jo in Gtown
said

Throw the bankers and Bush in jail where they belong ...

Maybe they could sneak in an additional $7B for childrens' medic-aid. Wait a minute, while you have the presses set up, why not run off a few billion more for seniors, the poor, the disabled ... Hey, it's only money.

God help whoever gets to take over this mess.


James
said

Bring back the Drive in Theatres all across America. Let's relive our youth, get in a few fist fights over girls and drink the odd beer! Hamburger Drive Thrus with waitresses on roller blades and trays on the side of your window for the family or you and your date!

Stay out late, have some fun and live like your enjoying yourself! This stressful world needs some of that! Don't break the rules though, you may get caught!


Agree with Eric
said

Eric's comments are sound. Regulators, bankers, legislators failed, and for many years. The problems existed long before 9/11 and it is not fair to lay all the blame on the administration of George Bush and the Republican Party. Bill Clinton's administration was very "plastic". When Reagan became president the US national debt was $1 Trillion, now it is $10 Trillion, and their deficit is $500 Billion (roughly equivalent to the size of Canada's national debt). There will be no quick fix for the United States. It took decades to get into this financial disaster and it will take them years to crawl out of it.


GP
said

No oversight, no plan, no accountability...yup sounds like another Bush fiasco to me.

This does NOT have to happen in the next week…complete scare tactic, with some Republican political manipulation thrown in for good measure.

Isolate the problem, develop requirements for the desired outcome, develop solutions based on the requirements, test the possible solutions against the isolated problem, then implement the best solution.

Project Management 101…or in this case Project Management for idiots.


T.M - Ontario
said

One point regarding the financial stability of Canada being dependent on the US. Did you know that our largest trading partner is not the US as most people think? In fact it is the European Union. I know this because I work for Customs and get to see all the manifests of import/export that passes through our country. Yes there is NAFTA, but there is also EUFTA ... along with about 20 other FTA's Canada has signed. So this fear that Canada will succumb to financial ruin along with the US ... not going to happen, ever, anyone notice that as the US dollar declines steadily the Canadian one increases at a correlating rate? Funny how that works, the EU doesn't trust the US, slow their investments, China doesn't trust the US, not does EurAsia, Africa, Australia, Central or South America, all have slowed they're investment practices in US companies and holdings and the US economy suffers duly, and yet the Canadian gains momentum. Just food for thought for anyone who thinks Canada still sits on the the floor begging the Elephant for scraps.


Cara
said

by doing a bail out, the USA is not teaching it's citizens anything. it lies in every person to not over spend, to not get a mortgage you can not afford, to not rack up your credit card, to save for yourself. government is bailing out corporations, why not just give the money directly to the people who are loosing their house, buy it for them... lol... then they would have more money to spend elsewhere. and all those big wigs and their multi million dollar salaries, ridiculous... no company that needs a bail out should be giving salaries more than 70K a year. greedy greedy greedy.


Bill from Barrie
said

If the Feds do not bail them out will this stop the five or six phone calls a night offering me credit cards, mortgages and almost free money for debt consolidation.
Think about it!


Joe Bilaniuk
said

Maybe they should just add that 700 billion to the other 10 trillion dollar tab that they have going on with the Federal Reserve. I hope everyone realizes that Club Fed Reserve is a private bank run by a few elite families ( Europe ) that dicatates US foreign policy for its own gains. I want to know what happens when the US tax payers cannot pay the yearly interest payments( paying the pricipal is impossible ) on 10 trillion ?


DW, Ontario
said

Eric,

You say this is not a failure of capitalism but a failure of people? You say capitalism works, were it not for the individual failings of people?

Hey, hasn't this been the same argument against Communism for years?

You expect a system that runs on greed and money and selfishness to police itself based on its own morals and ethics?


GM
said

700 billion for a population of 300 to 350 million, that's 2 billion per person, the US is going to go bankrupt just like the Soviet Union did twenty years ago


Brent
said

I'll be pleased when Harper gets to work with Obama who clearly considers the presidency a responsibility in stark contrast to the incumbent.


Denis
said

The current account deficit and with a recent capital account deficit are bigger problems! The balance of payment was not a problem in the past because the trade deficit was offset by the capital account surplus.


boudreaua
said

Good Now McCain can debate!!!!


Patricia
said

In a perverse way, I just wish that these financial moguls would pay, and pay dearly. What an easy go of it they are having when the US government decides it will ride to the rescue and save their greedy hides. There certainly is no justice in this world, at least no social justice, when these money grabbers can just pick up where they left off and continue to fleece us all. And I thought thieves and criminals went to jail. Silly me!


Craig from NS
said

A socialist Republican. Who would have thunk it?!


Kenny
said

Some of the comments here seem to be pretty uninformed. It is government interference in the housing and mortgage sector that lead to this situation, and most of the legislation at the root of the problem was put in place by the Democrats, not Bush & the Republicans. Take a few minutes and learn the history. To a degree, private sector greed is a factor, but a larger factor has been past US federal governments putting laws and regulations in place that not only promoted lending to non-creditworth individuals, but in soem cases, actually made it a legal requirement.

This fiasco is far more a product of misguided socialism, than it is a byproduct of capitalism run amok.


Randy in Calgary
said

The real solution to this problem is the destruction of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank and the imprisonment of the central bank cartel gangsters who comprise the NWO. This is the fifth time in less than a century that an artificial crash is used to steal the wealth, property, and rights of citizens. Americans and all global citizens need to wake up and fight back against those who are enslaving us. With the coming of peak oil production and the long decline that will follow, the current economic model of western democracies is no longer sustainable and a grim Orwellian future awaits. We MUST adapt in a fashion that benefits us and preserves our family values and traditions of free open society. The alternative is poverty, war, genocide. Sheeple must become wolves.


Paul C
said

Quick, someone throw them an anchour...glub-glub-glub.10 billion a month for a war if that's what you want to call it. What a legacy to leave behind.


GatzBerg
said

way to positively reinforce irresponsible behavior!


Edmonton John
said

Bush says the country, and the world faces a very real danger!!!!

Didn't he say that about Saddam's alleged WMDs?

Find any WMDs yet? Hey, where's OBL? What's that, yellowcake? Wasn't Iraq behind 9/11?

How the American public can attach any credibility to this administration it beyond me.

They were so-o wrong before, and so intentionally wrong that this I would willingly wager that the true situation is exactly the opposite of what they are saying, and they are doing precisely the wrong thing.

If so, there will be long term disastrous repercussions from the intervention.

This is why Bush should have been impeached years ago.


US GOV had no choice really
said

Those who are advocating to just let the cards fall where they may DO NOT REALIZE JUST HOW SERIOUS THIS IS.

YES 100% YES it is a rip to US taxpayers.

However, the position the government finds themselves in really leaves them with no choice. It's a bailout or a global depression the likes of 1929 and that may still be coming several years off but they had to try and save the financial system from imminent collapse.

Look for the price of gold to go up after the initial manipulated drop. Gold will be heading to $1500 an ounce. The Americans have devalued their dollar through this move but gold intrinsically retains its value.




david
said

I think the negative psychology of the libs and NDP would like to see economic problems for political purposes. Negativity is contageous and that is all we hear from the left in Canada, gloom and doom, boring people.


United States of Socialism
said

Socialism for Wall Street.

Paid for by ordinary taxpayers for the next thirty years.




Doom and gloom comes from US boss class
said

Bush and the rest of the crony capitalists crying about a crisis that needs massive taxpayer funding for its solution.

Live by the free market and die by the free market, phonies . . . or shut up about your fake "free market."




KJ
said

It's not so much about left and right -- it is about power and weakness.... And as the old saying goes -- if you owe the bank $100,000 and you don't have it -- then you have a problem. If you owe the bank $100,000,000 and you don't have it -- then the bank has a problem. In this case it is $100,000,000,000 and EVERYONE has a problem.


Murray R
said

Kenny -

Surely you're kidding - "misguided socialism"!? The difference in policy decisions between Democrats and Republicans is merely "right wing" and "more right wing". Anyone that's taken ecomomics knows that capitalism is a worthwhile system, but need regular goverment oversight and rules to keep it from canibalizing itself.


Roberta
said

I would just like to know where this 700 billion is supposed to come from. Thin air?
And don't mention the daily millions that it costs to keep the Iraq war going. Where is that money coming from? But God help you if you have to go to the hospital in the US because the government sure can't find the money for a real health care plan. Talk about mixed up priorities.


GP
said

Eric, Kenny and the other pro-capitalist pro-deregulation crowd.
Clearly if what you suggest is true then this problem would have first manifested itself in other countries first. The US is by far the most and perhaps the only real capitalistic free market country in the world. All other countries understand the direct correlation between unregulated capitalism and corruption and predatory practices…capitalism by its nature introduces and promotes corruption.

You talk about history, I suggest you look to the discussions the Founding Fathers of the Constitution had around regulation of commerce. Essentially they recognized that there MUST BE A BALANCE between rewarding innovation and risk taking and society's greater good.

NOTE - the public sector equivalent is outsourcing. After years of the public sector outsourcing there is NO PROOF (none) that it has saved money and improved services to the taxpayer. It has just provided, in most cases, lower paying jobs and made a few select people very rich...but it looks good on governments' accounting books which allows politicians to incorrectly suggest that the taxpayer is better off…complete crap.


Paul in BC
said

Great they got together. The Presidential debates should still proceed, even if McCain can't talk and walk at the same time.

What astonishes me is that both Harper and Flaherty have said all during this election campaign, Canada is doing just fine. They must be living in a bubble, because if your largest trading partner, the US, and the President stated last night the US is headed down a dark economic road, and Canada's leader Banker, Canada is sure to follow. We need leadership in Canada on the economic file not heads in the sand pretending all is well. Conservatives in the US made a mess of the economy down there, can we expect the same from our conservatives up here? Probably, as their economic ideology is the same.


SMT
said

Eh Kenny:
And I suppose Bush had nothing to do with creating the Iraq war and the massive debt load it has put on the American Citizens.
History isn't only past but quite recent in this whole mess.


james
said

Anyone who has lived in the US knows that its people and culture is based on exaggerated optimism, nationalist rhetoric, and plain BS. The economy of the self-declared "world's only super-power" is a house of cards built on shifting sand. They've gotten away with it for so long they thought themselves immune. They have used their housing market as an ATM machine with overblown prices financed by shady mortgages. Their huge corporate bonus' and dividends were nothing more than a shell game.

Its nice to see the house of cards collapse. It will be nicer to see the baby boomer Americans, that have pooh poohed "pinko" Canadians for decades, flipping hamburgers at 75 just just to have medical coverage....and eat hamburger!

The US is bankrupt: intellectually, socially, politically, militarily, economically. They cannot take care of the returning wounded, they cannot take care of their aging population, and 60 year old baby boomers, that saved for retirement, are wiped out. Their military is impotent and can't defeat nomads and Bedouins with WW II rifle; and the economy has no more money to fund Iraq and Afghanistan. $700 billion is not enough to save their economy according to most international analysts: its a band aid at best.

A good lesson for Canada on Reganomics.


eddytoronto
said

Bush & McCain Blackmail America With Economic Terrorism!

Ferocious fear-mongering rhetoric, possible cancellation of presidential election as financial terrorists threaten Americans with chaos unless power-grabbing bailout bill is passed!

From shying away from even mentioning such terms as “recession,” “unemployment” or “bank failures,” Bush, Bernanke and Paulson are now vigorously invoking the fear of financial meltdown as part of a campaign of economic terror to blackmail the American people into accepting the power-grabbing “bailout,” while John McCain, who last week said the fundamentals of the economy are strong, is now all but threatening to cancel the election should the proposal not receive swift passage.

Bush’s speech last night was a throwback to his March 2003 stump before the invasion of Iraq - replace words like “weapons of mass destruction” with “financial panic” and the tone of the two is not dissimilar.

Bush rammed home the fear by appealing to people’s personal anxieties.

“More banks could fail, including some in your community. The stock market would drop even more, which would reduce the value of your retirement account. The value of your home could plummet. Foreclosures would rise dramatically,” barked the President.

“And if you own a business or a farm, you would find it harder and more expensive to get credit. More businesses would close their doors, and millions of Americans could lose their jobs.”

Bernanke and Paulson spewed similar rhetoric during Tuesday’s Senate Banking Committee meeting. Compare their dire proclamations with their outright refusal to even entertain the notion of a recession as little as seven months ago.

Now Paulson tells us that people “should be scared” and that the only solution is for taxpayers to foot the bill to the tune of $700 billion dollars - a number we now learn was simply pulled out of thin air by the Treasury - while the Federal Reserve swallows up all manner of new regulation powers.

It seems that almost overnight these three stooges have gone from behaving like sedated zombies to end-times doomsayers.

Furthermore, John McCain, the man who as recently as last week proclaimed that “the fundamentals of the economy are sound,” is now canceling presidential debates, and some fear greasing the skids for the postponement of the presidential election itself, by insisting he and Obama “return to Washington” in order to put their weight behind the bailout.

As the George Washington Blog notes, McCain is basically implying, “Vote for the bailout or I’ll pull out of the election”.

The financial terrorism being perpetrated by Bush, McCain, Bernanke, Paulson and the rest of these criminals in threatening Americans with unbridled chaos unless they acquiesce to political demands, and the coordinated ferocity with which it is being delivered, is necessary for the crooks because they are desperate to get the bailout passed before Congress really has a chance to digest exactly what it stands for.

This is what’s called the “shock doctrine,” the accelerated passage of what is essentially dictatorial legislation without proper scrutiny by means of exploiting a temporary state of fear.

This is not just about $700 billion of taxpayers’ money and the continued sacking of the dollar, it’s about the imposition of a giant new infrastructure of control and regulation on behalf of the private, run for profit, Federal Reserve.

Bush even alluded to it last night, stating that Paulson’s bailout would mean the “Federal Reserve would be authorized to take a closer look at the operations of companies across the financial spectrum.”



Investor Trick
said

Investors short the bank stock.
So they bet it will go down and spread rumours to make it go down.



BadP
said

Dick Cheney's friends ran out of cash.
Obama better give them what they want or he may not make it till the election day...


Michelle
said

Well I give credit to both
Obama and McCain for hanging around and still wanting to be the president who inherits this mess. If it were me, I think I'd be trying to lose this election or I'd suddenly develop a medical condition, something, anything, just not to be the guy who gets to try and straighten out this mess.


dale schleppe
said

In Canada we do not have a Fedral reserve but we have a central bank that is run by the house of Rothchild. We are in the same boat as the rest of the G7.This is wake up time to either throw of the shackles of Central banking or be enslaved to boom and bust greed by the ultra rich. Choices, Choices will be made with or without you. Read more on Goldseek and sound money policies.


Sick of this #!@&!
said

I will be very happy when the time comes when I don't have to read about Bush asking congress for billions of dollars for BS. This guy's presidency has become exhausting for everyone. Governments should not bail out con artists. Oh, what was I thinking. Governments are con artists!


Nelson
said

It is absolutely sickening when you listen the bipartisan bickering and whining that these politicians do trying to score brownie points with the public. While it may not be the most prudent approach everyone agrees that help is needed in some form. But instead of looking for solutions they sling mud at each other and play russian roulette with the economy. This certainly isn't a fix all solution but perhaps they need to find a way to stabilize things and then work on proper oversight and regulations instead of looking like a bunch of little kids fighting over who gets their piece of candy first.


eddytoronto
said

China banks told to halt lending to US banks-SCMP!

Chinese regulators have told domestic banks to stop interbank lending to U.S. financial institutions to prevent possible losses during the financial crisis.

The Hong Kong newspaper cited unidentified industry sources as saying the instruction from the China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) applied to interbank lending of all currencies to U.S. banks but not to banks from other countries.

“The decree appears to be Beijing’s first attempt to erect defences against the deepening U.S. financial meltdown after the mainland’s major lenders reported billions of U.S. dollars in exposure to the credit crisis,” the SCMP said.




Shamaro
said

What has happened in the US? Greed, plain and simple.

This is what happens when a greedy capitalist system goes unchecked.

Canada may have a better banking system then the US, however greed is just as bad here then it is anywhere else in the world.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer as they say and when this is all said and done, the rich will still have all their money intact and the poor are going to be paying for this $700billion richman bailout for generations to come.

The entire world is going to have to pay for this greed that has been getting out of hand for years to come and in my opinion, I don't see a recession, but I see a depression on the horizon.

If you carry a lot of debt, now is the time to start paying it off, instead of adding to it.

Hold on to your hats, because this is not going to be a very nice ride.


Edmonton John
said

Good observation, Eddytoronto.

This outrageous enterprise, right down to the script and the body language, is a classic application of shock therapy.

People are disoriented, with no compass or anchor. They are afraid and shocked back down to the shelter and security level of Maslow's hierarchy. There has never been a better opportunity of bilking the American public out of $2500 per capita, with one fell stroke of a pen.

With the 'old' financial structure reeling, Bush and his cronies are out to recreate their vision of capitalism. God bless America.


Edmonton John
said

Good observation, Eddytoronto.

This outrageous enterprise, right down to the script and the body language, is a classic application of shock therapy.

People are disoriented, with no compass or anchor. They are afraid and shocked back down to the shelter and security level of Maslow's hierarchy. There has never been a better opportunity of bilking the American public out of $2500 per capita, with one fell stroke of a pen.

With the 'old' financial structure reeling, Bush and his cronies are out to recreate their vision of capitalism. God bless America.


irving
said

sure save the rich


Dick Varley
said

Credit is a mortgage on future productivity. In the USA that country's credit now exceeds its ability to create adequate production to pay off its debt. Thus a financial crisis. The debt is an accumulation of many things; the cost of wars, unaffordable housing, etc. Until the government, industry and the general population start to operate within their financial means the market will continue to correct itself to the detriment of all.

A bail out of $700 billion dollars will not solve anything unless corresponding steps are taken to improve that country's productivity. The costs of production must be lowered in order to be more competitive with other countries.. This primarily means a reduction in labour costs which will be vigorously opposed by organized labour until major layoffs occur. The USA needs to have an net positive increase in international trade and programs to encourage self sufficiency at home. Such action will be to the detriment of Canada and other countries but will be the only action which will correct the USA's current problems.

Canada is in the enviable position of have a long term excess of natural resources which will be in demand by other countries for the foreseeable future. This country does not have international commitments similar to those of the USA. Although personal debt in Canada may be higher than in the USA, the ratio of debt to future productivity is significantly better in Canada than in the USA. Therefore Canada should not face the extreme problems facing the USA. That being said it is in Canada's best interest to vigorously promote greater amounts of trade with other countries.


Canuckistan
said

Sounds like more 'Shock Doctrine' to me.


Brad, Calgary
said

To Randy in Calgary......I could not agree more. When people understand the real truth of what is happening here they will truly be shocked and awed. We are all pawns in a huge finacial chess game that doesn not know or recognize borders or countries or Presidents or Prime Minsters. Our leaders just happen to be rooks instead of pawns is all. It is a scary time.


JS
said

GM:
I think you need to go back to school and redo your math . It would be $2 billion per person if there were only 350 people in the States. My calculation is $2000 per person. Stop misleading the people here!!!!!


Diane
said

A comment to Ed who stated that "it is not in the best interest of banks to lend money to people who can't afford it." In reality,quite the opposite is true. It is when these high risk loans go into default that the banks accrue most of their profits. Over balance charges, late feesand penalites can convert a managable debt into one that cannot be overcome.
For those movie buffs out there, a film called "Maxed Out" is a really interesting watch. It is essentially, the Fahrenheit 911 of Wall Street. It was made in 2006 (don't quote me on that) but foreshadows all that has transpired as of late. Kind of eerie in a way.


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