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Date: Thu. Sep. 25 2008 11:11 PM ET
A Republican revoltstalled talks Thursday for the massive multi-billion-dollar rescue package for Wall Street that had appeared earlier in the day to be a done deal.
Negotiations broke down just hours after President George Bush and the two men vying for his job met for a historic White House meeting.
Earlier in the day the $700 billion bailout deal appeared to be imminent. But things fell off course Thursday night after Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain met with Bush and other key lawmakers.
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson sped to back to Capital Hill late Thursday to revive or rework the plan with Congressional leaders. But those meetings ended at 10 p.m. EDT after the lone House Republican involved left an earlier.
Talks are set to continue Friday morning.
House Republicans are in revolt over the plan, balking at the massive amount of money and the role the government would play in the private markets.
Additionally, Democrats are saying that McCain is hurting the negotiations.
"McCain and the Republican caucus are blocking this bill," Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat, told reporters Thursday night.
Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who attended the White House meeting, harshly condemned McCain.
"I would suggest that anyone in that meeting that tried to understand what John McCain said in the meeting, couldn't... John McCain did nothing to help. He only hurt the process," Reid said.
The House's Republican leader, John Boehner of Ohio, said that he didn't know if McCain could help the situation.
Late Thursday, McCain's campaign issued a statement saying, "the plan that has been put forth by the administration does not enjoy the confidence of the American people as it will not protect the taxpayers and will sacrifice Main Street in favour of Wall Street."
The tentative deal would give the Bush administration about $250 billion of the $700 billion it has requested up front, with at least half the money subject to congressional veto, according to Capital Hill aides.
"Conservative Republicans in the House . . . are really balking at this deal," Newsweek magazine's Eleanor Clift told CTV Newsnet Thursday night.
McCain's campaign released a statement late Thursday saying, "the plan that has been put forth by the administration does not enjoy the confidence of the American people as it will not protect the taxpayers and will sacrifice Main Street in favour of Wall Street."
But Sen. Richard Shelby, top Republican on the Banking Committee, emerged from the White House meeting and said, "I don't believe we have an agreement."
In an evening news conference, Obama suggested that McCain hurt the negotiations.
"When you inject presidential politics into delicate negotiations, it's not always as helpful as it could be," Obama said.
"If you are not worried about who's getting credit or who is too blame, things move forward a bit more constructively."
The meeting
Bush allowed reporters into the West Wing room just before the start of the meeting.
"All of us around the table ... know we've got to get something done as quickly as possible," Bush said.
Obama and McCain were seated at distant ends of the oval table, where they weren't even in each other sight lines. Neither candidate said anything before the television cameras left to allow the meeting to start.
Earlier Thursday, Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd said he believed Congress could act within days to pass a bill for the final bailout package.
Republican Bob Bennett said, "I now expect that we will indeed have a plan that can pass the House, pass the Senate (and) be signed by the president."
Earlier, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Democrats and Republicans had been working behind closed doors to hammer out the agreement. She had said it would likely include taxpayer protection in the US$700 billion package to help the ailing American banking and housing sectors.
White House Spokesperson Dana Perino had said legislators can "hopefully close on a framework where we can get this legislation passed."
Wall Street was cautious Thursday, as the Dow Jones industrials closed some 196 points higher, but that was down from larger gains earlier to the day.
Presidential politics
Both McCain and Obama have tried to take the lead on the economy as it has become the foremost issue in the election campaign.
McCain made the astonishing move to suspend his campaign to focus on the economy Wednesday, saying that he would skip Friday's debate if a bailout package was not worked out.
"Anytime McCain get down in the polls, he does something dramatic," Clift said, noting the surprise pick of Sarah Palin as his running mate. "Senator McCain has taken a number of bold moves in this campaign, he's basically a gambler at heart."
Obama responded that presidents have to do more than one thing at a time and said the debate was still on. As of Late Thursday, it was still unknown whether McCain would attend the debate.
Until the Bush meeting, neither candidate has been deeply involved in the bailout package negotiations.
The summit follows Bush's warning Wednesday night that the U.S. faces a "long and painful recession" if the rescue plan is not approved.
"Without immediate action by Congress, America could slip into a financial panic and a distressing scenario would unfold," Bush said in a primetime address.
If passed, the bailout will equal more than US$2,300 per every individual in America, including children and prisoners.
With files from The Associated Press
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.



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Bronco
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A week ago everything was fine and 'fundamentaly sound'. But now, a week later, if this $700 Billion bill isn't approved immedmiately the result will be a 'long, painful recession'. And this is being proposed by the same president who vetoed a $7 billion dollar bill to provide medicaid to kids because it was too expensive.
As much as i don't especially like our politicians in Canada i do not feel they treat me with this level of contempt.
wb
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Buba
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There needs to be some oversight.
James
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Robert
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If the elephant goes down the drain it'll suck us down with it!
I hope evryone has good financial lifejackets, cuz she's sinking fast.
What goes around....
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- Winston Churchill
When investment bankers steal from unsuspecting retail investors that earns its own reward.
James
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Greg -- Signs and Wonders
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Nick in Gatineau
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They will be the largest homeowner in America.
Ok ! 700 billion $ to buy-back all those mortgage-backed securities. This means a government institution will press a magic button to sell a home when the price is right ?
Who will run it ? How much will it cost ? Nothing was mentioned about this.
Will there be a New York Real Estate exchange ?
They refused to do this for all the slums in america, who for all intents and purposes, succumbed to the same price drop scenarios.
They refused to help in all the Emergency situations where lives were in physical danger: the hurricanes, the earthquakes, the floods, the fires. Where was, and IS, the US government for the Katrina victims who are still without their homes ?
The moment a financial institutions says '...darn, we won't get paid,... where's our cheque ? Hang on, we need figure out a way to screw the taxpayer first and then we'll give you your cheque.
This is a bad deal. Period. And the unfortunate part is that the financial institutions will all say yes to it while people lose their homes. These institutions have all accountability removed in one swift move.
All this so that Financial Institutions can lend money again - bad money. It does nothing to improve on the present situation, it simply removes the existing financial burden and tells the banks to pass go and get 200 $. And keep doing what they are doing. Don't worry the US treasury will always fix dice so they land on free parking.
Ruth
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A little peek at what a Conservative government can do to the country.
They go around the world telling other people what to do and don't even take care of their own people.
Better watch what you wish for.
PhewD
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long live the American Dream!!
Don H. in K.L.
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David in Ontario
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As for the economy going down the tubes, I dont' think it's a matter of paying for one over the other. I don't understand it myself, but I do understand it to be rather complicated
Steve in Fredericton
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Feeding this form of criminal greed will only spill over into Canada as our business leaders see that unbridled greed is rewarded through govt investment.
Besides, can anyone explain to me how banks and oil companies can post "record profits" every quarter and now, all of a sudden, require huge bail outs and loan guarantees? I think there's a wolf in the hen house.
Gender Neutral
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KJ
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Michelle
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Buba
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When he can't play the greed card, he has to resort to fear tactics.
Ian in Guelph
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If the govt approves this, they should -retroactively- claw back any of the obscene bonuses that he CEOs, CFOs and whomever else managed to bilk from these companies... "So you say you just -happened- to get a bonus of 17 million dollars and then a short time later the whole system is bankrupt? I guess we could have really used that 17 million dollars for something other than your own gain.. and now we're taking it back."
The "Separation of Bank and State" now dissolves further.
Dean
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Simon Shaw
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A nation is defined by its people....
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No, it was decades in the making. It takes many people to destroy a nation and many more who stand idly by and do nothing - people as well as politicians.
The same arguments happen here as political supporters throw accusations back and forth about what happened under such and such Prime Minister.
The fact is we are a product of successive Prime Ministers up till this point with both the good the bad and the ugly. Heck we voted them in!
What is important is not where we have been but where we are going as a nation.
Our economy is very good relatively speaking. There is a move to the right in Canada which will bring an end to the excesses of Liberal socialism and bring things back to center. That's a good thing for Canada to maintain a balance near the center.
As things balance out again more ideas will come along and we will depart the center once again to pursue those other avenues but for now it's a swing back to center.
Most of all it is important for all of us to get out and vote to have YOUR voice heard. We are all the stronger for it.
On October 14th get out and vote.
Bob in Ottawa
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(paid by the government)
Then they should get a public servant's pay ....
Greed destroys, socialism kills
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- Winston Churchill
Very true... at the same time I have to admit capitalism and the lust for money do not make a nation great and we are seeing that now in the United States.
Gail in Halifax
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The whole situation in the US is ridiculous. Educated and intelligent people all over the world spoke up YEARS ago over the economic and foreign policies Bush and his party were insisting on following against all good advice. The outcome was clear on the Iraq war and the US economy but Bush was too stubborn or stupid to listen, and now the American people have to deal with the fallout. We got tired of saying "I told you so" a long time ago. Maybe the $700 billion dollar bailout should come out of Bush's pocket and not the American taxpayers. I'm sure he's got a good downpayment on that with all the money he's been raking in through his oil company interests.
Eric
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The U.S. government passed laws asking banks to lend money to people who could not afford to pay it back.
This mess was caused by people interfering with capitalism working as it should. Capitalism is about people doing what is in their best interest. The banks didn't do this and neither did the people borrowing money. Lending money to people who can't afford it is not in a bank's best interest. Taking a loan you can't afford is not in a person's best interest. Yet this happened on a massive scale. This is a failure of people NOT CAPITALISM.
Dd
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Iraq is still a war zone. Fewer deaths doesn't automatically mean the war suddenly stopped costing the US money. They are spending a million dollars a minute on it!!! A country can only spend that kind of money for so long. Americans are going to be paying off this debt for generations. One other poster had it right...Bush ran oil companies into the ground...and now he has run the US economy into the ground.
Even worse, McCain is trying to prove he's "on top" of the situation...when in fact he's "racing back to Washington" as an excuse to delay both his and Palin's debates. What is he so afraid of? No doubt he can do zero to help with the bailout except get in the way.
Take note Canada. This is what a conservative minded government can do to our economy as well. ABC!!!
Reece
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Bonnie
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Dennis
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Dave
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Gerald
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The US Government has no right to essentially steal this money from the public and spend it on worthless assets. Price fixing and stealing is not the answer.
A recession must happen to return the market to sanity. If you want to ease the length of the recession, cut government spending, cut taxes and watch as the people bail themselves out better than any government could.
God Save America
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Lost Cause
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Har! Gotta love the sight of Bush embracing "commie" tactics on his way out of office.
Yo Harper - please don't try and pull this kind of crap in Canada if your rich friends end up bottoming out?
Average Joe
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Jo in Gtown
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Maybe they could sneak in an additional $7B for childrens' medic-aid. Wait a minute, while you have the presses set up, why not run off a few billion more for seniors, the poor, the disabled ... Hey, it's only money.
God help whoever gets to take over this mess.
James
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Stay out late, have some fun and live like your enjoying yourself! This stressful world needs some of that! Don't break the rules though, you may get caught!
Agree with Eric
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GP
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This does NOT have to happen in the next week…complete scare tactic, with some Republican political manipulation thrown in for good measure.
Isolate the problem, develop requirements for the desired outcome, develop solutions based on the requirements, test the possible solutions against the isolated problem, then implement the best solution.
Project Management 101…or in this case Project Management for idiots.
T.M - Ontario
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Cara
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Bill from Barrie
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Think about it!
Joe Bilaniuk
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DW, Ontario
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You say this is not a failure of capitalism but a failure of people? You say capitalism works, were it not for the individual failings of people?
Hey, hasn't this been the same argument against Communism for years?
You expect a system that runs on greed and money and selfishness to police itself based on its own morals and ethics?
GM
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Brent
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Denis
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boudreaua
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Patricia
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Craig from NS
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Kenny
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This fiasco is far more a product of misguided socialism, than it is a byproduct of capitalism run amok.
Randy in Calgary
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Paul C
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GatzBerg
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Edmonton John
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Didn't he say that about Saddam's alleged WMDs?
Find any WMDs yet? Hey, where's OBL? What's that, yellowcake? Wasn't Iraq behind 9/11?
How the American public can attach any credibility to this administration it beyond me.
They were so-o wrong before, and so intentionally wrong that this I would willingly wager that the true situation is exactly the opposite of what they are saying, and they are doing precisely the wrong thing.
If so, there will be long term disastrous repercussions from the intervention.
This is why Bush should have been impeached years ago.
US GOV had no choice really
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YES 100% YES it is a rip to US taxpayers.
However, the position the government finds themselves in really leaves them with no choice. It's a bailout or a global depression the likes of 1929 and that may still be coming several years off but they had to try and save the financial system from imminent collapse.
Look for the price of gold to go up after the initial manipulated drop. Gold will be heading to $1500 an ounce. The Americans have devalued their dollar through this move but gold intrinsically retains its value.
david
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United States of Socialism
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Paid for by ordinary taxpayers for the next thirty years.
Doom and gloom comes from US boss class
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Live by the free market and die by the free market, phonies . . . or shut up about your fake "free market."
KJ
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Murray R
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Surely you're kidding - "misguided socialism"!? The difference in policy decisions between Democrats and Republicans is merely "right wing" and "more right wing". Anyone that's taken ecomomics knows that capitalism is a worthwhile system, but need regular goverment oversight and rules to keep it from canibalizing itself.
Roberta
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And don't mention the daily millions that it costs to keep the Iraq war going. Where is that money coming from? But God help you if you have to go to the hospital in the US because the government sure can't find the money for a real health care plan. Talk about mixed up priorities.
GP
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Clearly if what you suggest is true then this problem would have first manifested itself in other countries first. The US is by far the most and perhaps the only real capitalistic free market country in the world. All other countries understand the direct correlation between unregulated capitalism and corruption and predatory practices…capitalism by its nature introduces and promotes corruption.
You talk about history, I suggest you look to the discussions the Founding Fathers of the Constitution had around regulation of commerce. Essentially they recognized that there MUST BE A BALANCE between rewarding innovation and risk taking and society's greater good.
NOTE - the public sector equivalent is outsourcing. After years of the public sector outsourcing there is NO PROOF (none) that it has saved money and improved services to the taxpayer. It has just provided, in most cases, lower paying jobs and made a few select people very rich...but it looks good on governments' accounting books which allows politicians to incorrectly suggest that the taxpayer is better off…complete crap.
Paul in BC
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What astonishes me is that both Harper and Flaherty have said all during this election campaign, Canada is doing just fine. They must be living in a bubble, because if your largest trading partner, the US, and the President stated last night the US is headed down a dark economic road, and Canada's leader Banker, Canada is sure to follow. We need leadership in Canada on the economic file not heads in the sand pretending all is well. Conservatives in the US made a mess of the economy down there, can we expect the same from our conservatives up here? Probably, as their economic ideology is the same.
SMT
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And I suppose Bush had nothing to do with creating the Iraq war and the massive debt load it has put on the American Citizens.
History isn't only past but quite recent in this whole mess.
james
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Its nice to see the house of cards collapse. It will be nicer to see the baby boomer Americans, that have pooh poohed "pinko" Canadians for decades, flipping hamburgers at 75 just just to have medical coverage....and eat hamburger!
The US is bankrupt: intellectually, socially, politically, militarily, economically. They cannot take care of the returning wounded, they cannot take care of their aging population, and 60 year old baby boomers, that saved for retirement, are wiped out. Their military is impotent and can't defeat nomads and Bedouins with WW II rifle; and the economy has no more money to fund Iraq and Afghanistan. $700 billion is not enough to save their economy according to most international analysts: its a band aid at best.
A good lesson for Canada on Reganomics.
eddytoronto
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Ferocious fear-mongering rhetoric, possible cancellation of presidential election as financial terrorists threaten Americans with chaos unless power-grabbing bailout bill is passed!
From shying away from even mentioning such terms as “recession,” “unemployment” or “bank failures,” Bush, Bernanke and Paulson are now vigorously invoking the fear of financial meltdown as part of a campaign of economic terror to blackmail the American people into accepting the power-grabbing “bailout,” while John McCain, who last week said the fundamentals of the economy are strong, is now all but threatening to cancel the election should the proposal not receive swift passage.
Bush’s speech last night was a throwback to his March 2003 stump before the invasion of Iraq - replace words like “weapons of mass destruction” with “financial panic” and the tone of the two is not dissimilar.
Bush rammed home the fear by appealing to people’s personal anxieties.
“More banks could fail, including some in your community. The stock market would drop even more, which would reduce the value of your retirement account. The value of your home could plummet. Foreclosures would rise dramatically,” barked the President.
“And if you own a business or a farm, you would find it harder and more expensive to get credit. More businesses would close their doors, and millions of Americans could lose their jobs.”
Bernanke and Paulson spewed similar rhetoric during Tuesday’s Senate Banking Committee meeting. Compare their dire proclamations with their outright refusal to even entertain the notion of a recession as little as seven months ago.
Now Paulson tells us that people “should be scared” and that the only solution is for taxpayers to foot the bill to the tune of $700 billion dollars - a number we now learn was simply pulled out of thin air by the Treasury - while the Federal Reserve swallows up all manner of new regulation powers.
It seems that almost overnight these three stooges have gone from behaving like sedated zombies to end-times doomsayers.
Furthermore, John McCain, the man who as recently as last week proclaimed that “the fundamentals of the economy are sound,” is now canceling presidential debates, and some fear greasing the skids for the postponement of the presidential election itself, by insisting he and Obama “return to Washington” in order to put their weight behind the bailout.
As the George Washington Blog notes, McCain is basically implying, “Vote for the bailout or I’ll pull out of the election”.
The financial terrorism being perpetrated by Bush, McCain, Bernanke, Paulson and the rest of these criminals in threatening Americans with unbridled chaos unless they acquiesce to political demands, and the coordinated ferocity with which it is being delivered, is necessary for the crooks because they are desperate to get the bailout passed before Congress really has a chance to digest exactly what it stands for.
This is what’s called the “shock doctrine,” the accelerated passage of what is essentially dictatorial legislation without proper scrutiny by means of exploiting a temporary state of fear.
This is not just about $700 billion of taxpayers’ money and the continued sacking of the dollar, it’s about the imposition of a giant new infrastructure of control and regulation on behalf of the private, run for profit, Federal Reserve.
Bush even alluded to it last night, stating that Paulson’s bailout would mean the “Federal Reserve would be authorized to take a closer look at the operations of companies across the financial spectrum.”
Investor Trick
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So they bet it will go down and spread rumours to make it go down.
BadP
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Obama better give them what they want or he may not make it till the election day...
Michelle
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Obama and McCain for hanging around and still wanting to be the president who inherits this mess. If it were me, I think I'd be trying to lose this election or I'd suddenly develop a medical condition, something, anything, just not to be the guy who gets to try and straighten out this mess.
dale schleppe
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Sick of this #!@&!
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Nelson
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eddytoronto
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Chinese regulators have told domestic banks to stop interbank lending to U.S. financial institutions to prevent possible losses during the financial crisis.
The Hong Kong newspaper cited unidentified industry sources as saying the instruction from the China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) applied to interbank lending of all currencies to U.S. banks but not to banks from other countries.
“The decree appears to be Beijing’s first attempt to erect defences against the deepening U.S. financial meltdown after the mainland’s major lenders reported billions of U.S. dollars in exposure to the credit crisis,” the SCMP said.
Shamaro
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This is what happens when a greedy capitalist system goes unchecked.
Canada may have a better banking system then the US, however greed is just as bad here then it is anywhere else in the world.
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer as they say and when this is all said and done, the rich will still have all their money intact and the poor are going to be paying for this $700billion richman bailout for generations to come.
The entire world is going to have to pay for this greed that has been getting out of hand for years to come and in my opinion, I don't see a recession, but I see a depression on the horizon.
If you carry a lot of debt, now is the time to start paying it off, instead of adding to it.
Hold on to your hats, because this is not going to be a very nice ride.
Edmonton John
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This outrageous enterprise, right down to the script and the body language, is a classic application of shock therapy.
People are disoriented, with no compass or anchor. They are afraid and shocked back down to the shelter and security level of Maslow's hierarchy. There has never been a better opportunity of bilking the American public out of $2500 per capita, with one fell stroke of a pen.
With the 'old' financial structure reeling, Bush and his cronies are out to recreate their vision of capitalism. God bless America.
Edmonton John
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This outrageous enterprise, right down to the script and the body language, is a classic application of shock therapy.
People are disoriented, with no compass or anchor. They are afraid and shocked back down to the shelter and security level of Maslow's hierarchy. There has never been a better opportunity of bilking the American public out of $2500 per capita, with one fell stroke of a pen.
With the 'old' financial structure reeling, Bush and his cronies are out to recreate their vision of capitalism. God bless America.
irving
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Dick Varley
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A bail out of $700 billion dollars will not solve anything unless corresponding steps are taken to improve that country's productivity. The costs of production must be lowered in order to be more competitive with other countries.. This primarily means a reduction in labour costs which will be vigorously opposed by organized labour until major layoffs occur. The USA needs to have an net positive increase in international trade and programs to encourage self sufficiency at home. Such action will be to the detriment of Canada and other countries but will be the only action which will correct the USA's current problems.
Canada is in the enviable position of have a long term excess of natural resources which will be in demand by other countries for the foreseeable future. This country does not have international commitments similar to those of the USA. Although personal debt in Canada may be higher than in the USA, the ratio of debt to future productivity is significantly better in Canada than in the USA. Therefore Canada should not face the extreme problems facing the USA. That being said it is in Canada's best interest to vigorously promote greater amounts of trade with other countries.
Canuckistan
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Brad, Calgary
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JS
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I think you need to go back to school and redo your math . It would be $2 billion per person if there were only 350 people in the States. My calculation is $2000 per person. Stop misleading the people here!!!!!
Diane
said
For those movie buffs out there, a film called "Maxed Out" is a really interesting watch. It is essentially, the Fahrenheit 911 of Wall Street. It was made in 2006 (don't quote me on that) but foreshadows all that has transpired as of late. Kind of eerie in a way.