CTV News | AIG bailout fails to calm markets; Dow, TSX drop

Top Stories -   

AIG bailout fails to calm markets; Dow, TSX drop

Viewer

CTV News Video

CTV News: John Vennavally Rao on the sharp slide
CTV National News: Patricia Lovett-Reid, Senior Vice President of TD Waterhouse Canada, explains how to protect your investments
CTV News: John Vennavally-Rao on the turmoil
CTV Newsnet: BNN's Michael Hainsworth on the U.S. government bailout and why the markets didn't react favourably
CTV Newsnet: Fred Ketchen, director of equity trading at ScotiaMcLeod, on another beating for Dow Jones and what lessons are to be learned
CTV Newsnet: BNN's Michael Kane says banks are ceasing up on loans following the four latest major U.S. bank failures

Font-size:      Share  Print  Comments(43)

CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Wed. Sep. 17 2008 10:05 PM ET

North American stock markets dropped sharply again Wednesday, one day after the U.S. federal government announced it would provide a massive loan to keep insurance giant AIG out of insolvency.

Dow Jones industrial average fell 449.36 points to end the day at 10,609.66, despite a temporary bounce in mid-afternoon trading.

North of the border, the S&P/TSX composite index fell 349.30 points, finishing at 11,877.69.

"Essentially, we saw lending freeze up in the United States after the AIG bailout by Washington," BNN's Michael Hainsworth told CTV Newsnet after the markets closed.

"The street said, 'Wait a minute - if a juggernaut of this size is capable of failing, who else is?' So the banks tightened up the lending restrictions, and that really ground both Bay Street and Wall Street to a halt."

Late Tuesday, the Federal Reserve in the U.S. announced it would provide an $85-billion loan to save American International Group Inc. from collapse in order to protect the broader market.

"People are scared to death," said Bill Stone, chief investment strategist for PNC Wealth Management. "Who would have imagined that AIG would have gotten into this position?"

The Fed warned the collapse of AIG could "lead to substantially higher borrowing costs, reduced household wealth and materially weaker economic performance."

As part of the bailout, the U.S. government received a 79.9 per cent equity stake in AIG.

Earlier this week, nervous investors began bailing out of the market after Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy protection and Merrill Lynch agreed to be bought by the Bank of America.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley -- the two remaining Wall Street investment firms -- were being closely watched by investors Wednesday.

As stocks were being abandoned, some investors were buying gold as a hedge against rising risk Wednesday. The shift pushed the price of the December bullion contract by US$66.70 to $847 on commodities markets.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average jumped 1.2 per cent after AIG's rescue, but Hong Kong's Hang Seng index lost 3.6 per cent.

The FTSE 100 fell 249.7 points to 4,954.5, while Germany's DAX gave back 1.15 per cent and the French CAC-40 moved 1.6 per cent lower.

Meanwhile, Canada's Nortel Networks Corp. was the latest victim of the economic turbulence.

Suffering from "foreign exchange impact and certain product delivery delays" the company cut its revenue outlook to between two and four per cent less than last year. Shares fell $1.61 to $4.11, a new all time low.

With files from The Canadian Press

Comments are now closed for this story

ELIE
said

Wonder if the US government is going to end up owning the big automakers too. This bailout is unbelievable. The total spent/borrowed to "rescue" Bear Sterns, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae and so on is staggering and this from a government who only a short time ago was saying that the market would sort itself out and for everyone to be calm. Yup, the fundamentals of the US economy are strong - the taxpayer chequebook is anyway.


GREG TROLLEY
said

I am making so much money in the markets....I love this!!And I'm not sure you you notice or not but its only the people losing that are complaining. My advice buy low sell high. Party at my place.


DARREN CECCHETTO
said

I don't see any problems with the US bailing out a private insurance company... my mom and dad have bailed me out many times in life when times have been tough... it's more or less the same thing. Hopefully AIG learns quicker then I do!!


James
said

Greg Trolley - The mere fact that you choose to boast of your gains in the market lead me to believe that you're full of it. I don't believe you. Most smart investors would rake in the profits and keep their mouths shut. You sir are a phoney!!


James
said

Where will this all lead? Will the U.S. government continue to own all of these financial institutions for the long term. Will they sell them back to the same corporate managers who allowed this to happen? People have been blaming the consumers for going after these outrageous mortgages and loans. However, if you dangle a sweet deal in front of most people they will take it. Where did the sweet deals come from? The banks! The banks are responsible for this and the banking executives need to be banned from the marketplace like stockbrokers who cheat. Heads need to roll!! Greedy bastards!!


Craig from NS
said

Darren:

Companies should have learned years ago not to over spend, over invest or generally over extend themselves. This is a story of same old, same old.

It is astounding how many major companies in the states have been bailed out in the last week. The U.S. is fanatical for capitalism, but when that system is in trouble they pull a socialist move. Just more egg on the face of the Bush administration.



Nick T
said

Darren:

A government bailing out a private company means that they are using PUBLIC funds collected through taxes to do this. It would be like the Canadian government buying Nortel with taxpayer dollars. That money can be used for other things, on the people that actually have a claim to that money, the PUBLIC. A private company with their own budgets and reserves should get their funds from customers, and if they can't, too bad.

I say let these private companies fail. Their greed and poor outlook is what got them there in the first place...


Don't panic, its darkest before the light comes
said

These bailouts are a difficult thing to gauge. In a free market economy they should be allowed to go under. The problem is they are so big they take down the ship too.

The US government has its hands full with this crisis. I have little confidence in either of the choices for President but if I had to choose I would take the Republican McCain over the totally inexperienced Obama. Obama sings a good song but he just has no history to bring to the table. McCain's experience is limited so neither is a good choice for America.

The silver lining is that these bad greedy deals are coming home to roost and being flushed out of the system.

There are literally trillions of dollars on the sidelines waiting for an entry point into the markets once the dust settles. In Canada our junior resource sector represents an opportunity for solid growth once the tide turns which should be soon.







FreakAlert2008
said

Nick T,

There is no such thing as 'public funds'. The bank notes and coins you have in your pocket is a private currency.


Rosie
said

I don't think governments have much choice in these situations.If they bail them out,people scream corporate welfare.If they don't,tens of thousands will lose their jobs and people would criticize government for that.I do believe bonuses should be paid back and wages restructured and that those responsible for this situation should be fired.


Robin the Hood
said

The only way you could really make money in such a market is to short sell. And you better have timed this perfectly as well! Otherwise any claims are bull (excuse the pun). I have a bad feeling this bear will continue for months and we can only hope that long term the returns come back to positive. We won't see double digit stock returns for years though. Huge opportunity loss to those already with investments! If you have cash it may well be worth buying in a few months. Another positive would be to fire all those moronic bank CEOs asap. It's sickening that they will still get to collect their extravagant termination bonuses. So many lives ruined because of their arrogance and incompetence! This proves the US capitalistic ideology of hands off capitalism - which the right fanatically believes in - is a fraud designed to enrich the few wealthy at the top at the expense of everyone else. The damage done is enormous, the repercussions will last for years and could have been avoided.



John Public
said

The first rule of business: Privatize the profits, but please, when the going gets tough, use John Q. Public's hard earned money. What a great society!


Dean
said

I hope gov'ts don't get into the habit of bailing out massive companies due to their own stupidity. I can see helping smaller companies if a small problem arises from an honest mistake, but this was stupidity on a massive scale brought on by greed and corruption. Why should the public bail out these types of people?


Greed is is a human condition not political
said

"This proves the US capitalistic ideology of hands off capitalism - which the right fanatically believes in - is a fraud designed to enrich the few wealthy at the top at the expense of everyone else."

The "right" once again is being falsely portrayed by Robin da Hood who is always representing the "left".

Greed is not exclusive to the right or the left, Robin. While the right believes in free enterprise and personal initiative and responsibility it is also important to point out that the left believes in governments running everything and little personal initiative or responsibility. The lines are clear between right and left but greed is not exclusive to either philosophy as some would have you falsely believe.






Steve in PEI
said

The problem with bailing out failing financial institutions is that it encourages risky behaviour. If they're confident that the Fed will bail them out if they get in too deep, banks won't be risk-adverse enough when it comes to playing with dubious, arcane derivatives and shaky debt in the future.

If the public good precludes allowing these institutions to fail, then those at the top of the corporate ladder should be severely fined and their wages cut or else just fire them and slap them with massive lawsuits. Key decision makers need to be humiliated and made to suffer, one way or another, for the public good to be served.


np
said

The US govt. had no choice on this bail out. The govt. had a choice on Lehman and Merril Lynch to not bail them out. And they did not.
What is apparent here is that evrytime the US has a republican president they end up in deep finacial problems. The republicans are of course champions of free enterprise and everyone for themselves. How ironic that the struggling US public is now paying for this. I love capitalism when it's mixed with socialism. It really works.



Tony Di Donato Montreal
said

Tell me all you smart donkeys out there - are we not the ones causing all the fuss? We buy on credit. We build a huge defecite in our lives. And how long can we keep paying 28.8% percent a year on credit cards? Is stupidity on consumers' behalf only exceeded by corporate greed? Think people. If the masses cannot afford to buy, don't. Companies are no different.
They say, we made 10 today let's try for twenty tomorrow.
Greed, greed, greed equals bankruptcy.
I for one have no debts, and I went through all the yada dada like most persons out there. Thanks.


Keenan, Moncton
said

AIG is a continuation of things to come.

Hmm.. with the way the economy's going, and a possible crash, you'd want someone to lead the country that you could trust to make the right decisions.

The Republicans didn't choose right. Anybody heard of the 80s scandal that cost billions of $$ to the american people, especially the pensioners? Keating Five

Nobody in the US media ever mentionned this. McCain was 1 of the 5 senators involved in the scandal, but was cleared, but not before he was told that he made really poor judgements.

I'm wondering, do you really want somebody like that as the Head of State?


Iskewa
said

I can't believe anyone is surprised by the decline in stocks. Once you make it possible to continuously beat the stock down, it makes it impossible for a company to sell off assets at an equitable price. In my opinion this is the worst mistake the SEC could have made. The brokers who will be jumping out the windows shortly should have known that by killing a stock, you kill the company.


Doug BC
said

I doubt the government is at all happy about being forced into this position.I hear as many screams about socialism on this issue as I do when Hillary proposes a "Canadian style" health care plan for the USA.
I expect Mr.Bush and his administration will wear most of this.But the real mortgage trouble actually began as a result of the Clinton governments reforms regarding mortgages.They were convinced EVERY citizen should have access to a home,and the mortgages they needed to buy them.Mortgage brokers were forced by those new rules,to write mortgages to the poor,the unemployed and almost anyone who could cry "discrimination".
Sadly,all the chickens have come home to roost on Mr.Bush's watch.While I don't especially care for this administration,it is clearly simplistic to lay all the blame for this in their hands.
Mr.Bush's administration had no intention of doing this bail out with taxpayer dollars.Things changed when they figured out that taxpayers would pay much more if AIG actually did go under.The bailout,while an ideological issue for the government,is simply the cheapest way out of a very difficult hole.
And,while I rarely agree with "FreakAlert",this time I pass on a big "thank you" for the comment about "public funds".This is the current buzzword for people who want some kind of services,but want taxpayers to pay for it.
Lobbyists use the term "public funds" instead of taxpayer dollars in an attempt to disguise their request for funding.


Victor
said

I purchased AIG this morning. It will probably be one of the best investments I will ever make in this lifetime. BTW, I purchased Google before it was even popular because I used them for advertising.

AIG is not going away. Great company and if they qualify for 85 Billion in loans it shows value.


raven
said

The fraud of the federal reserve will affect everyone world wide. The fat currency is worthless. This is destruction by design. The banksters still want to introduce the Amero, then Canadians can foot the bill for the US and Mexico. Who ever said WAR makes money was dead wrong. The fall of the US empire is very close. Research CAP, learn the truth.


eddytoronto
said

As long as they could keep it going, it was a virtuous circle - their returns on equity went higher, their stock prices followed. For a time, it was like magic. But the credit expansion game is now operating in reverse, and if Lehman and Merrill and Bear Stearns are the biggest casualties, they’re not the final ones. The crisis will likely now spread from New York to Charlotte and San Francisco and other places where you can find regional banks that got too heavily into mortgages or real estate construction loans. The biggest financial convulsion since the 1930s is far from over. With Lehman’s demise, it has entered a new phase.


eddytoronto
said

This is not a time to hold any shares/stocks. The big investors will manipulate the market and get out in time, leaving the suckers (the small holders) with worthless shares. Be wise, sell when you still can.




Big-money
said

Big Banks... where are the billions of dollars you ripped from us over the years? I wish I could reward myself millions in bonuses after performing badly at my job. I wish the gov't in the US wouldn't bail them out... might be a hard lesson for all of us to pay, but worth it.


John
said

This is just incredible! So much for the US philosophy of let the market forces take care of itself. Looks like the US taxpayer is on the hook for big bucks. So this is the free market in action. Next the Mutual Investment Companies will start their free fall. If the US government had some tighter controls in place to start with this MIGHT not have happened. Thank goodeness we had a minority govt when the foreign investers were trying to take over Canadian Financial institutions. Same thing happened and is happening to the airline industry... deregulation under Mulrony and what do we see. Airline after airline going Chapter 11 and I'll be Da^%$# if I can get a lousy sandwich onboard.


Dave in Waterloo
said

I just can't believe what has happened with the US on George Bush's watch. That should keep Republicans out of the White House for decades!


Andre
said

With every stock market bust, we hear the "the sky is falling" people come out.
Heard it after Sep 11/2001, heard it when the tech stock bubble burst and now again of course.
The reality is that the markets do eventually correct themselves and start back on a stronger footing.
This crash will be no different.
Anyone making rash decisions based on what has happened over the last few days is taking a huge chance. Let the dust settle, then act. Right now, there is little anyone can do until the "big boys" have finished their hatchet job.



Marcel
said

If AIG is being bailed out today, does it mean the American government will be helping another big company? It is a good thing that I'm not an American taxpayer with all the bailouts.


Maggie Cynic
said

So how much of this $85 billion will go to compensate their executive officers for a "job well-done"?


Joe Sanity
said

Greed.


If i ad a hundred dollars
said

I won't have anything left over to start a steven page defence fund, oh well on with the show !


Andre
said

Dave in Waterloo,
Interestingly enough, the consensus is that the rules that Clinton forced onto the banks are the ones responsible for this mess. It is under his watch that the credit rules were relaxed so that lower income people could get mortgages.
In fact, the NYT has published an article that shows that 5 years ago, Bush proposed to strengthen the supervision of Freddie Mac and Fanny May because of the huge exposure that was coming...and guess what, the Democrats voted it down.
As always, socialist governments trying to tinker with the economy may yield short term gains, but it is always the Republican who end up having to clean up the long term pain.



Patricia
said

This is corporate welfare at its' worst. Let these big barracudas drown in a greed pool of their own making. Only problem is, most of us ordinary hard working folks get caught up in the messy business that these avaricious corporations perpetrate. It goes to show that government must be involved with the control of these monsters and watch them like hawks...something the Bush government failed to do as he is in bed with the worst of them. Shame!


GP
said

The shell game continues...why are oil prices skyrocketing today.

Speculators are pilling onto oil in an effort to manipulate those prices again. So is this the new cycle...speculators dump money from one place to another until they get a pile on effect then "profit take" then bail to another, and it goes on and on.

How does this benefit the economy, the small investor planning for retirement, or establish any kind of confidence in the market.

Glad I'm long past this and have no intention of putting my money back in...I'm happy with a smaller sustainable return as long as these bandits can't touch my money.


Stevie
said

Joe Sanity said it in one word. When you peel all the layers off this mess, the ONLY thing you'll find inside is PURE GREED!!!


Ian
said

They used to worry about the separation of church and state.. now we all have to worry about the separation of church and business.

Now that the US govt effectively owns AIG, and is already so intertwined with business interests.. how long until there is no longer a delineation between government and business?


Dan Waterloo
said

It is unbelievable the parties that believe in the free market and not regulating the thieving bas--ds would bail these crooks out and stand by the economic policies and the ideology’s they preach. Perhaps this is the time the right wing phoneys of North America concede, and make the shift to the left. If not the voters should get their heads out of their as--s and kick them out.

Wake up politically challenged. This is the opportune time. You will have no one to blame but yourselfs. Don't blow it



GP
said

I have a question...so what happens if for example China decided not to bankroll the US debt anymore.

It’s called a one-two punch and you're out...of all the money you have invested, everywhere.

The US economy is just one large financial negative event away from outright collapse which will last for years, maybe even a decade…if you’re an enemy of the US system now is your time to strike the ultimate blow. All because of uncontrollable greed.


Edmonton John
said

GP,

China does wield considerable power over the US economy. It is estimated that if they cashed in their bonds instead of renewing them, US taxpayers would face something like a 35% tax hike, and even then almost all social spending would be cut.

It would be devastating, but fortunately for the US it would destroy the greenback. China holds so much US currency in its reserve that much of its own wealth would be wiped out, so it simply can't afford to destroy the US economy!

The same is true all over the world. Almost all countries carry a trade surplus with the States, and therefore have a cache of US bills that they cannot afford to lose. Thus the US doesn't really have to worry about creditors demanding payment. They will continue to accept reissued bonds.

On the other hand, if the US GDP growth falters, and the debt/GDP ratio gets too high, it might put a ceiling on their ability to borrow, but realistically that is not on the horizon.


Rick in ?NB
said

To GP:
Have you checked the Asian markets out. These are not just American problems it is a global issue. We are all one happy family, pass the butter please.

GG
said

We are all pawns in this shell game to keep the money in the hands of the influential, rich and greedy..pure capitalism has always had corruption, scandal, greed, deception along side it...a little regulation would have protected everyone better. I believe in free markets, but unfettered capitalism leads to disaster after diaster after diaster..and all bailed out by the average you and me tax payers..sad really.

It is time we take our countries back !!!

We need new party's in our government/governance system of democracy.
The gap between the rich and poor must end. To continue is unsustainable or is it too late ?!?

To all you thieves I hope you get what you deserve...take the next flight to deserted islands never to be seen again and enjoy your rip off moola..counting coconuts... and thank your lucky stars youre still around to count them over and over again.

Obama08
said

under the "dubyanomics" folly of the last 8 years this was inevitable

unfortunately, we'll all wear a bit of the long struggle back and he and all his republican friends will still be multi-millionaires trying to recall how many houses they own, oblivious to the pain of loosing one's only residence.

Share with your social Network:

 

Advertisement

Contest

CTV Video Player

Mike Duffy Live

Mike Duffy Live

Tuesday, Sept. 16: Debating the state of Canada's economy.

User Tools

About the tools

Need to get in touch with CTV? You can email the CTV web team using the 'Feedback' button.

Share it with your network of friends

Share this CTV article or feature with your friends. Click on the icon for your favourite social networking or messaging system, and follow the prompts.

Share this article with Facebook

Share this article with Digg

Share this article with Newsvine

Share this article with delicious

Share this article.
Send Email

Share this article with Twitter

Share this article with StumbleUpon

Share this article with Reddit

Share this article with Yahoo! Buzz