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Date: Thu. Sep. 11 2008 8:40 PM ET

In her first interview with the media since being picked as Republican John McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin said that Georgia should join NATO and war might be necessary if Russia invaded the country again.

In the excerpts from the first of three interviews with ABC News' Charlie Gibson, Palin advocated the inclusion of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO.

When asked if the U.S. would go to war if Russia again if it attacked Georgia, the Alaska governor said: ""Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

"And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable."

On other questions of foreign policy and security, Palin toed the Republican line.

She was hawkish on the defence of Israel saying, "I don't think we should second guess the measures that Israel has to take to defend themselves and for their security."

Palin did not provide a straight answer when asked if the U.S. should be able to go into Pakistan to pursue terrorists along the Afghanistan border.

"Is that a yes?" Gibson asked her. "That you think we have the right to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government, to go after terrorists who are in the Waziristan area?"

Palin responded saying: "I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are hell bent on destroying America and our allies. We have got to have all options out there on the table."

However, her running mate McCain said in July that he would not chase even Osama bin Laden into Pakistan because it's a sovereign nation.

In the interview, Palin seems to not understand a question about whether she supports the Bush doctrine, and Gibson explains the doctrine to her. The doctrine, which states the U.S. has the right to a pre-emptive strike against a nation if it thinks it may attack it, is considered one of the keys to the White House's foreign policy.

Defends experience

Palin, who has yet to serve two years as governor and used to be mayor of a town of 7,000, said she didn't hesitate when asked by McCain to be his vice-presidential nominee.

"I answered him 'Yes' because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war."

"You can't blink. So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate," Palin, 44, said.

Gibson also questioned Palin about a quote she previously made in an Alaskan church saying, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God" and asked if she thought the U.S. was fighting a holy war.

Palin said she was referring to an Abraham Lincoln quote and said," I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words."

Then when asked about her son Track, who is going to Iraq, was on a mission from God, she said she didn't know.

"I don't know if the task is from God, Charlie," Palin said.

Palin hiding from questions

Since her Sept. 3 speech at the Republican convention, Palin has not given an interview until the ABC interview and has been working with a number of Bush White House aides on getting her up to speed on foreign and national policy.

The introduction of Palin to the Republican ticket rocketed McCain into a slight lead or dead heat in national polls over Democratic nominee Barack Obama.

Palin has so far not faced the questions raised shortly after her nomination. She has repeatedly said she shut down the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere," when in fact she was originally a supporter of it.

She has promoted herself as a governor against earmark projects, but her record does not indicate that.

Palin is also under investigation by an Alaskan ethics committee for her firing of the state's public safety commissioner for allegedly not bowing to her demands to fire her brother-in-law.

Palin has also been quiet while campaigning, and has stuck basically to the same speech she gave at the convention.

Reporters have been told by the McCain campaign that all Palin flights are to be off the record, which some reporters have objected to.

There is no word when Palin will do more interviews.

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis told reporters that Palin will"agree to an interview when we think it's time and when she feels comfortable doing it."

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RL in Delta
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This is rather scary. This inexperienced women could well become the most powerful person on the planet. Book banning and creationism are just the silly parts of her candidacy. The frightening part is that she thinks she is ready for the top job.


Jim a free Canadian
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Quite a contrast from Obama who would like to negotiate with al Qaeda and Taliban.

That's what leadership is about.


Ken P.
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I like her...she's sexy ! The NDP could use someone like her...


job
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"And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable."

If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black i don't know what is..good luck america



Stefan
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WOW! Let's just break down what Palin said:

1) Russia launched an unprovoked attack on Georgia.
- this is a BLATANT LIE, it is public knowledge that the Georgians attacked South Ossetia and began bombing Tsinkhali in an preemptive unprovoked strike, having in fact bombed the main hospital in the city.

2) War with Russia is an option on the table.
- is Palin diluted or just ignorant beyong comprehension? Have we not forgotten Sarah, that Russia is armed with roughly 5000 nuclear warheads?

It pains me to no end to hear all of this Russia bashing, when in fact Russia is not in anyway an aggressor. In fact, Russia had a duty ensure the peace in the region of South Ossetia, and was following the directive of a UN resolution to restore the peace and ensure the safety of Ossetians (most of whom have Russian citizenship). Also take into account the US's new missile defense system which essentially boxes in the Russians in the west, you begin to understand why the Russians could get upset.
Palin's comments regarding Russia are entirely unfounded and with regards to her proposition on war, is she attempting usher in a dreaded nuclear showdown with the Russians???


Don in BC
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Given McCain's age and her views, as neighbouring country she makes me truly nervous.


James in Toronto
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Not once can I ever recall Obama saying that he would negotiate with Al-Qaeda or the Taliban.

Also, is real leadership not knowing what countries are in NATO? This women is terribly inexperienced.

I cannot even imagine what she would do if she ever became President.


I'm billing the US government for my bomb shelter
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Perfect, yet another war monger wanting to help run that country. To me, it shows a lack of experience when she didn't even think to mention that they might want to try diplomatic avenues first and failing that, look at the possibility of military action.

Does she realize Russia has cable? I don't think they would take to kindly to knowing what's on deck if the republicans get in.

It seems like their campaign is based solely on war, I wouldn't mind seeing her stock portfolio, wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of DoD suppliers in there somewhere...


GP
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You can put lipstick on a Republican, but it’s still a Republican.

No more Republicans please. I'm tired of the threats and complete lack of diplomacy and negotiating skills. There is another approach...you don't always have to beat someone over the head or threaten them to get where you need to be. Sometimes you cannot avoid it, but these clowns always start from that point. Enough already.


lillian
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Go Sarah! What a breath of fresh air!


alan daniel
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This Lady has the right Stuff to be president if need be. She has demonstrated the ability to lead, manage a budget and has strong family values. Let's give her a chance and not right her off because the liberals fear her conservative views on life.


Robin
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An almost octagenarian, who can't remember the number of houses he owns or the year we're in, wants to become the next US president with Ms. Palin as his running mate. Ms. Palin is a political neo-phyte whose vindictiveness and spitefulness in Alaska have left her constituents ducking for cover. Game over, John. Once again, your bad judgment coupled with pandering has been exposed.


RO from Toronto
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I'm shocked that Governor Palin believed herself qualified to speak on Russia and Georgia. Not ready to be VP or President.


Jeff
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Nothing frightens me more than ignorance compounded with certainty. Anyone who thinks that the universe is only 6,000 years old needs more education, not access to nuclear missiles.

The difference between Obama and Palin is that although she has executive experience, it is on the state level. She has no credentials nationally, and certainly none internationally.

In contrast, although Obama hasn't had any executive experience, he is well versed in both national and international politics and issues. With Biden supporting him, he can be a truly effective leader in getting America back on track after the Republicans' disastrous 8 years of destroying America's economy, civil liberties, and international reputation.

Obama is truly offering the Americans hope. My fear is that if he isn't elected, not only is their economy is trouble, so is their democracy. And that could have grave repercussions for Canadians as well.


Michelle
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Russia is coping with so much domestic turmoil that war probably seems like a welcome distraction. Palin might have more in common with Russia than she thinks.


Lori
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This woman scares the blazes out of me!!


Bill in Ottawa
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Russia does not want a war. It's one thing to attack countries you SUSPECT of nuclear capability...it's another to provoke one of the largest nuclear powers on the planet!

Putin has come out and said that war is not preferable. I would challenge anyone reading to read the Russian e-newspaper "Pravda"...it is not exactly unbiased, but it will give you an idea of the other side of the story.


Big E
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Wow, what a bombshell. She would actually live up to her committment to defend fellow NATO members! Canada would be required to come to the aid of Georgia or Ukraine if they were fellow members as well. She was stating a simple reality, one that she grasps and Obama does not


Phil in Ottawa
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It only shows all parties ignorance... It is now well documented that Georgia started the conflict and hoped NATO would bail them out.




Ike
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To 'RL in Delta'

Its important to have your facts straight and maybe even know what you're talking about, this may help you be less terrified.

1. The comments specifically mention Georgia as a NATO member. Her answer is the same one your leader and every other NATO leader will give. NATO is a 'mutual defense pact', signatories are obligated to defend each other from foreign attack.

2. The book-banning is bull, go to the notoriously neutral Factcheck.org for proof.

3. She does not want evolution removed from schools and never even hinted as much, she did suggest it be debated in schools. Of course most high schools and colleges regularly debate it, just like death penalty, religion, and other things. This is usually considered a good thing for students to do, ya know, intelligent debate, the cornerstone of democracy?


Paulman
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She didn't ban books. It appears she approached the local librarian in potentially banning books, and then (temporarily) fired her for not cooperating. This was during her time as Mayor of Wasilla.

I think the difficulty with interviews like this is that it's hard to distinguish between thorough preparation on talking points vs. actual foreign policy expertise.

Another good question is how important, or how easy to come by, "good judgement" actually is. This is a woman with very little (substantive) governing/legislative experience, and she could be the leader of the free world very quickly if anything were to happen to 72 year old John McCain.


basementfrog
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ON SPENDING

“Porky” Palin – hey, as it turns out, that pig does wear lipstick….wow!!!

After McCain said earlier this year that he won't "spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," Politico reports that as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin requested millions of dollars to study the DNA of harbor seals, among other things (including research on the mating habits of crabs.) Intelligent people everywhere are both amused and appalled that Palin, who claims she is conservative when it comes to earmarks, would request federal money for a project nearly identical to one that McCain has mocked. The earmark is yet another example of how McCain and Palin are "hypocrites and liars."


http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/11/02449/9021


At the end of the clip, John McCain promises that he'll make the names of wasteful government spenders "famous."

Apparently, he kept his pledge: he picked one of them to be his veep.

“We’re not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana,” McCain has said during this year’s campaign, referring to a study he’s mocked for years of whether grizzlies need to keep their status as an endangered species.

Palin, meanwhile, has requested $3.2 million to be spent in part researching the “genetics of harbor seals,”

"Senator McCain said Governor Palin ‘learned that earmarks are bad’, but in 2008 alone Gov. Palin requested $256 million in earmarks for Alaska, and her state received more earmarks per person that any other state," said spokesman Tommy Vietor. "The fact is that Governor Palin isn’t just good at getting pork projects, she’s one of the most successful pork barrel politicians in history."



Matt G
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Ummm...Georgia didn't attack South Ossetia...It's part of Georgia. The rebels there are technically Georgians, within Georgian territory.

And Palin talked of Russian invading a DEMOCRACY, not a malevolent dictatorship such as Iraq was...


Bob in Vancouver
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Now this woman is scary. But the even scarier part is that her way of thinking is just what the american paople are drawn to. During the Bush presidency, the American people became enamored with the cult of ignorance, whereby the more ignorant you are, apparently the more virtuous you are (Note, Bush could easily be thier messiah). All I can say is god help us if this neo-con fool gets in to the white house, and god help us all if we are stupid enough to follow a neo con path here, or our troops will be right alongside theirs when the nukes start to fly.


Ottawa Soldier
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As a serving soldier in a NATO member country I have to say I like this woman...she has a set that's for sure....I would rather have her leading the most powerful military in the world then "lets appease them Obama"....you go Sarah....you go all the way to Pennsylvania Avenue!


Mark in Fort Erie Ontario
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Wow! Finally someone with some b_lls! This women is the Iron Lady reborn. Go Sarah go! No waffling here. And for those who are siding with Russia, and Iraq in the comments before me. Shame on you. The USA and her Friends FREED 50 million+ in Afganistan and Iraq.


Jane
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Ike: why are you responding to comments that weren't even made? Here is the bottom line: the lady is too inexperienced to be president and she doesn't realize it. This is a bad state of affairs for a leader. Plus, she has certain bizarre notions that put her judgment in question.


Dean
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Oh boy! Another war monger. What a surprise coming from the Republicans. We don't need sabre rattling and more world tension. If the U.S. would stop trying to control everyone, perhaps the worls would be safer. Offering olive branches would be much better.


Mike
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another twist of the liberal media. Palin stated that the US would only go to war with Russia if Georgia were a NATO country - wake up folks! Thats what NATO's doctrine states - any attack on a NATO nation is an acttack on ALL NATO states. Surely we would call upon the USA for help if Russia invaded Canada. Go Palin!


bruce nicolson
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this is scary stuff!Going to war with Russia over Georgia??Clearly this lady is out of her league on geopolitical issues.War with Russia was avoided during the cold war years because the consequences wre unimaginable!They still are.
This lady has no worldly experience and still thinks being a super power means they can do anything.I want to hear what John McCain thinks on this!


Peter Hunziker
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I believe that the EU's decision to investigate the background to the war in Georgia is wise. We don't know the details of a "legal or illegal" separation. Was it unilateral? or agreed to by Georgia's legal government? There are too many unanswered questions that make Palin's declaration irresponsible.


Lamar
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Since when is living up to an agreement with our NATO allies controversial? Isn't that the nature of the alliance? Where's the bombshell in that? What would it say about Gov Palin if she had asserted we would ignore our agreement and not support our NATO allies? You simply can't have it both ways!!


Mike R.
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Wow, where to start.

First and foremost, Palin has not banned any books, those who say so, please post up proof. As well as the creationism angle, she hasn't denied it to the schools, nor has she made it mandatory.

As for the Russian comments, those who choose to speak should really research what they are saying.

This is the emergence of the real world order, after the collapse of the former USSR , Russia's military has been largely unorganized. This action in Georgia changed all that. The Russians are here to stay, and unfortunately as much as the US wants to head them off at the pass, they cannot unless they wish to compromise what they have done in the middle east. As well, the Russian attack into South Ossetia was skilled and co-ordinated as a main assault, not as a reaction to Georgian aggression into the small state. The Russians had their ducks in a row, all they needed was a trigger which the Georgians unwittingly gave them.

While i agree with Palin for VP, she really shouldn't write checks that the US cannot cash.


Glenn in Winnipeg
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Gov Palin has more executive experience than the three other male candidates combined. She shares McCain's 'gut instincts' which puts the ticket way far ahead of BObama and Biden in terms of leadership abilities.

Palin does not blink.

BObama will not answer questions because it is "beyond his pay grade" to do so (if you are the President, there is no pay grade higher) and prefers to vote 'present'versus taking a 'yes' or 'no' position ????

Where is the leadership if you won't take a position?


Ian K
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As person with Eastern European roots, Palin's comments are music to my ears. Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Empire (he has a photo of Stalin on his desk) and he must be stopped before Ukraine, the Baltic Republics and the rest of Eastern Europe fall into Russia's control again.

Unlike Obama, Palin has the strength of character to deal with Putin and Ahmadinejad firmly by spelling out the options clearly.

Character - that is the key ingredient in the leadership mix nobody talks about yet. Does Obama have the character to stand up to Putin or Ahmadinejad? I doubt it. McCain has already proven his stuff, and Palin is demonstrating she too has what it takes.


Gail, Halifax
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So she can't handle interviews with the press yet but she thinks she's ready to be VP?? Lord help us all.


HKP in Vancouver
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This women truly scares me..how the GOP could ever pick her to be VP of the most powerfull Nation in the world is truly scary..and consider this..John McCain who would make a good President .. BUT he will be 73 by Election day and he has had 4..count them 4 cancer operations...!!and Ms Palin would be next in line..!!! VERY scary folks...


Ted--Cape Breton
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Okay,let's be honest here. The only reason McCain chose Palin is to torpedo any criticism of his age. Now he has an attractive, articulate, young women who not only breaths new life into McCain's campaign but she will be very hard for Obama or Biden to manhandle like they could have with Romney for instance. The Republicans have been preaching Obama's sermon about "Change" ever since Palin's selection. Great strategy on their part.And the Democrats had better tread lightly, 'cause their opponents are ready to pounce on any negative reference to Palin such as Obama's "lipstick on a pig" remark...Bring on the silly season .


david
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she's a psychopath...attack russia, one of the leading nuclear powers? mission from god? she's more dangerous then Cheney.


Jay Atva
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Libs conveniently forget that Barack didn't know the correct number of States in our country and that he mixes up his religions. Give me a break from the childish criticism of McCain's homes paid for legally. At least Palin and McCain will defend our country and NATO alliances.



g.
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it is amazing that all the insane "go sarah go" cheerleading in this forum are from males....

folks deal with THIS: this so-called new 'superstar' of american politics was picked out of nowhere and gave exactly ONE pre-written speech by others and everyone is fawning over her....

i am by no means a 'leftie' but i swear this collective public ignorence is terrifying....

this woman and mccain are not even close to being held accountable to anything....

scary, and pathetic


Gail, Halifax
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Georgia is not a member of NATO. It's bad enough that people on these boards don't get their facts straight before commenting, but it's downright terrifying that a potential VP can't do it either.


Mel B.
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Hello,

Those saying she wanted to ban books, wanted creationism in schools, that she cut funds to special needs children and other rumors should refer to factcheck.org, a non-partisan group that has de-bunked various spurious claims about both Obama and McCain. Do your homework before running your e-mouths!

CTV bias can only be noted in the five or six extra items added to the end of this article to discredit her. Stick to actual news item and report what she said. Every indication is that she is a fiscal reformer in Alaska but a very social conservative who does not hide it. I disagree with her on that, but Obama is far less experienced than she.


Rob
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What are the Liberals so scared of anyway... your own policies lead to your own demise, I wouldn't worry bout Republican policies... lets see...
Tax everything = poverty/big government (my opinion)
Gay marriage = an %80 gay divorce rate after 10 years (TRUE)
Abortion = %75 of mothers who aborted are haunted by feelings of guilt even 20 years later (TRUE)
Take a look in the mirror and BE SCARED!!!!


Clay Blackwell, Lynchburg, VA
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While it is evident that Sarah has been hard at work with the party coaches, preparing for this interview, it is also obvious that she mis-cued on a number of occasions, when the subject just overwhelmed her. Her totally off-subject responses out-numbered the directly related responses, and her performance was lame... by any description.


henry
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Oh my God. She will be a feeble heart beat away from pushing the button. Put some lipstick on her and send her off to market.


Wally J
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Sorry, I am an American...this b---- is dumb..


Vincent
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Jim a free Canadian,

Jim, stop with the lies. Obama never said any such thing.

You're either mis-informed, or you are intentionally spreading smears against Mr. Obama.

I really wish some people on the right would fight a CLEAN fight. If your arguments are reasonable, then your party will win. There is no reason to lie to win.


PBW in WPG
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So: Palin is not qualified to make comments on foreign policy, she is scary, she is etc etc etc

So? she is a politician. All politicians fit those descriptions that some wish to limit to Palin alone. What about Putin? Isn't he scary? He actually STARTED a war, using the same reasons as Hitler did in 1938 (Czechoslavakia) and 1939 (Poland) to invade a neighboring country.

Reading some of these posts is scary in its own right: challenging the right of a candidate for office in a friendly democracy to express the opinions of her party and herself. How hypocritical is that? How ARROGANT is that?

Suggestion: engage brain before posting.




RL
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PBW in WPG: reading how you compare Palin, Putin and Hitler in the same paragraph got me a bit confused on your stand... are you for or against them? ;-)


James
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Lets remember folks that some of her weirder ideas have to get through Congress and the Sentate in the US. Their political leaders do not get to wield the secrecy and control that our Mr Harper does.


Greg in the Hammer
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@Stefan

If you think that Russian (Putin) did not orchestrate the entire Georgian crisis/conflict. I have a bridge in Manhattan I own that I'd like to sell you.

The Russians had been financing and prodding the Ossetian and Abkhazian seperatists (who are largely transplanted ethnic Russians) for months to force Sakashvilli into acting. He did and this gave the Russians the excuse to act.

The Russians used this as an opportunity to scare other former Soviet Republics from getting to cosy with the west. Primarily Ukraine.

Its about energy. Russia has been using energy as a weapon to brow beat Europe. Georgia was a road block in this effort because of a pipeline that circumvented Russian territory.

Notice how the Russians have quietly backed down now that the US Navy has been docking in Georgia and delivering aid.





Michael from Toronto
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Let's see, according to the other comments here, the people who would like to put Palin down are the same people who side with Russia against Georgia and the US, against Christianity which brought us democracy and free speech, against living up to NATO commitments, against destroying Al Qaeda.

So what's wrong with voting in a strong leader who has traditional Christian values which built Canada and who is not afraid of the Russians, Taliban or Al Qaeda.

These people are afraid of Palin alright. Just like the Russians, Al Qaeda and Taliban who are afraid of NATO. When someone is afraid of something, they attack them in words and in deeds, and try to persuade others to do the same.

The US never said anything about attacking Russia, they only insisted that Russia respect Georgia's borders. As for the Taliban and Al Qaeda, I suppose some wacky "Canadians" who comment here insist it was a CIA plot and that Bush staged the 9/11 attack along with the bombing of the WTC during Clinton's presidency.

Your words paint a very clear picture of who you are.


Marcel
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I just watched the interview with Governor Palin. I don't think the American public or the rest of the world wants to see a war between the USA and Russia. In giving this response, she indicated to me that she is George W Bush and Dick Cheney in a pantsuit. Thank you


james from Montreal
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I do somewhat agree with her on Russia, but we need to be really carefull because this could lead to WWIII if we don't play the cards right. None the less Sarah Palin is not equiped to be president if something were to happen to McCain. She was just chosen to get more media coverage and to secure the republican evengelical base for McCain


A. Bica
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This is the mentality that the U.S. wants to escape from. It's old school, ignorant and dangerous. They need this babe and McCain like the south needs another killer hurricane!


IT Manager from Edmonton
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I only wish she were Canadian so we could vote for her here. Bravo to her for speaking the truth, if you ar ein a military alliance and one of your partners is in trouble you help. It took guts for her to tell the truth rather than the "truthiness" Liberals are known for.


Bernard Romanycia
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I'm sure we'll hear more from this candidate before the Americans vote. The media is going to be busy.


glen b
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the surprise is that people are surprised with this simplistic, aggressive idea- spouter in a mask of designer specs


J Peterson
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Another American running their mouth off without a clue as to the real consequences of their actions.

A prime example is Bush's clear misunderstanding of the Islamic world resulting in the war in Iraq - a war that has only created a more unstable future.


Ron from BC
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So, since harper has been an unabashed supporter of previous agression by the United States, I guess that we can expect to be at war wirh Russi in the event of joint vitories by Palin/McCain and the Conservatives. Think about it!


Dd
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Maybe she thinks war with Russia means a snowball fight...after all...you can "see Russia from land here in Alaska."

Well, I know what I see...and it ain't a bunch of Ruskies with snowballs....


paul
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In regards to her comments about NATO and Georgia and the Southern Ossetia incident...
while what she said was not terribly bright the fact of the matter is every country and every alliance creates scenarios to anticipate and respond to a potential crisis
Did you know that during the 1920s both the U.S. and Great Britain had created military plans in the event of war with each other. Think about that and put it in context I'm not so sure it's as inflammatory as it sounds..any country, Canada included, makes contingency plans as ascenine as the scenario maybe countries still do it..
Further, Russia isn't as much the victim as it may look to be...Russia has recently begun to flex it's reinvigorated military muscle don't assume that Russia is totally innocent here. The fact this comes on the heels of Russian bombers flying into NATO airspace, modernizing their nuclear deterrent, naval exercises...just something to keep in mind


Bob - a truly free canadian
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Yes, Christianity led to democracy and free speech. Hmmm, how come the first "Christian" democracy took 1750 years to appear after an Jesus allegedly lived and died and that "democracy" allowed slavery for another 90 years and denied women the right to vote for another 170 years? Democracy is an ENLIGHTENMENT concept and the Enlightment was specifically a response to the irrationality of Christianity. The vast majority of American founding fathers were deists - many of whom hated Christianity e.g. Jefferson, Paine, etc. Before the rise of the Enlightentment Christianity brought the West the Dark Ages, the Crusades, rabid anti-semitism, pogroms against Jews, theocracy, divine right authoritarioan monarchy, book burnings, PEOPLE burnings by the hundreds of thousands (i.e. the witch hunts), several wars of religion (e.g. 8 civil wars in France) and prolamations from various popes that democracy was immoral. On the other hand, the pagans (e.g. Athenians) thought of democracy and implemented a proto-democracy 2,000 years before anyone in a Christian society did.

As for members of an alliance coming to another member's aid, in international law no ally is obligated to provide military aid. Lip service "support" is enough. By the way, the last time that alliance members piled on to aid their allies we got WWI and about 40 million dead. This is the kind of "thinking" that we get from our peace-loving Chritian friends.


Webstir
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Go Palin Go !

We do not need communist and terrorist sympathizers and appeasers in the White House.

Come to think of it we do not need themhere either.


BSenka
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This is just sabre rattling for the target audience. There is no chance of the US ever getting into a direct war with Russia.


Cal in Ottawa
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Be afraid, be very afraid. Ms Palin would only be a very fragile heartbeat away from having the power to launch nuclear weapons. Here she is advocating war with Russia, saying Israel is beyond criticism and reading her answer to the question about being the running mate made even Pres Bush look like a scholar; didn't think that was possible. Now one must question the decision making ability of Mr McCain for choosing such an unqualified for a running mate. There is a good clip of Ms Palin telling her congregation in Wasilla that invading Iraq was god's will. So is this so different from how Osama bin Laden justifies his war against America? Be afraid...


Dorothy
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With the U.S. constantly saying they are stretched to the limit in Iraq and soldiers being required to take multiple duties there, where does Palin figure she'll get troops required to go to war with Russia? One scary lady. McCain/Palin might even be scarier than Bush - sure hope not tho'!


Marc Coquitlam B.C.
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I think she was upset as she likely believed Russia attacked the state of Georgia, in the U.S.A. She probably thought they were ready to move into Alabama before they retreated. That is why she won't rule out war with Russia


Rob Z
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Good lord! And I thought nobody could be worse than George W Bush and Dick Cheney.

Time for Americans to wake up and start rooting for third party candidates such as Nader instead of the two mainstream parties, both of which have been bought out by the large multinational corporations for years.


MikeG55
said
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Oh dear. Please, let someone save the American people from themselves! Their idea of democracy boils down to a popularity contest? Who can pander to the basest instincts and wrap themselves in the flag? I would expect this sort of infantile debate from a third rate electoral process in the developing world, not from the supposed bastion of democracy.


Hannibal
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Typical U.S. politics but I love it. I wish we were afforded the luxury here in Canada to take our time and listen to the pundits and assess their platforms. Some opposition parties here in Canada are still scrambling to put nominees is place and I don't believe in this brand of politics as this is what governments of third world countries do. I can't believe we let Harper set an election where we have 5 weeks to decide the leader of our country and have little or no opportunity to hear them speak about their ideas. This is not only unacceptable but downright treason. The Conservative Party has hijacked our democratic process because Harper knows his government has screwed up big time and will pay the price at the polls if he were to stand on his promise to hold fixed a election in October of next year.
Unfortunately there are no good choices for us in this upcoming election. God help us!!!


Larry Hand
said
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Thank God I live in Canada.
I would not want to see a lunatic run my country. Who is accusing who of being religious militant and extremist? If Americans want to elect this person and bankrupt their nation with endless war, they deserve her. I guess many people in united state have another problem beside mortgage meltdown; it is intellectual meltdown and blinding patriotism.



Asteroid
said
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Vote in McCain and Palin
and who needs to worry
about the world ending in 2012...
It will happen much sooner
with this combination...



Kssilaph
said
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LUV IT!!! "...Let's give her a chance and not right (or does Alan Daniel mean WRITE?) her off because the liberals fear her conservative views on life." Liberals understand that we've had 8 years of stupidity and we do not want 4 more years. Am I right or am I write?


Buba
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What a nutcase.


JD
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WOW, she scares me, if Americans actually vote for her and McCain, I won't know what to think. Could people really be that foolish?


Greg in the Hammer
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@paul

It wasn't so much Russia flexing reinvigorated military muscle as seizing and opportunity. Russian troops in Georgia were using primarily 1970s vintage equipment which was quite sufficient to overwhelm a very small Georgian Army.

Russian quite wisely keeps its best equipment on the Chinese border. Its only a matter of time before salivating Chinese eyes look towards Siberia and its riches.

The Georgian episode was a sideshow designed to put a scare into former eastern european vasals of the Soviet Union.

Time will tell if it worked.


The Scribe
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It is downright frightening that Sarah Palin would become President if something happened to John McCain. She has about the same experience that McCain has repeatedly criticized Barack Obama for not having. SHE did NOT kill "the bridge to nowhere". The plan for its construction was already dead in the water and she merely signed a document that was just a technicality representing the final nail in the coffin.
And she actually thinks war with Russia is an OPTION? To do what? End the world? Does she not think a war with Russia would result in a nuclear catastrophe? What planet is she from? She can hardly put two coherent and intelligent thoughts together in the same paragraph. First she says she hopes there is not another "cold war" with the Russians,- but then she does a bizarre 360 degree turnaround and even contradicts herself, saying she would not rule out "war with Russia". Just by saying that, she has already escalated the chances of at least a cold war. The US does not need a hawk of that sort. Just like McCain criticizes Obama for being "not ready to lead", right back at you, Sarah ! It has been that said McCain likes to "roll the dice" and take chances...and in this case I think he rolled snake-eyes, and because war with Russia would be nuclear, it will be the planet that is snake-bit. Obama and Biden are by far a safer option than McCain and this woman. She reminds me of a deer blinded by headlights, - she has no idea of what to do in such an important situation.


Bill
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Sarah Palin is a "legend in her own mind". Sarah has serious personal issues, and her personal issues could very easily become State issues if she were to be elected; just like Bush!
Are the American people prepared for 4 more years of this type of government (and perhaps even worse than Bush) Think things are mess right now ?
You may not have seen anything yet !
STOP McCAIN/ PALIN NOW !


DougB
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I do not take sides on the US election. I do say though the comment John McCain stated that he would not pursue Bin laden into Pakistan is crazy. canada and the us have afresh pursuit law. if police on either side are on someones tail, they do not stop at the border, keep going. I do hope the US army would do the same even if it means fighting the pakistan army to get him.


Gail (Hamilton)
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Wow! I'm really scared by Canadians who side with Russia. The media snipets seem to always go against this woman who has more guts, intelligence than most in politics. As someone who is watching everything that is going on, distortion of facts, twisting of words, etc. I'm pleased to see the panicky left are getting so flustered they can't put their feet in their mouths fast enough. At least Governor Palin knows how to present herself with class. She looks her interviewer straight in the eye. She answered the questions honestly. She didn't dance around and change the subject.


harvey
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It is a saddening situation to read how misguided things get when leaders spout war as the solution.

I'd prefer to vote in for the presidential office... three clowns, two drunken poets and a mystic pothead.

Then we'd see and read thought provoking and revolutionary stuff.


Jnet Ward-Mc
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It's like the stupidity of George Bush times 10. I'm frightened.


Bill Cowen
said
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Um, Ken P... you're kidding right?


The real Ian K not the Ian K from lala land
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For the record the Ian K above is not me the Ian K from Vancouver now residing in Calgary. Republicans make me sick. These people want to see our children melt in a nuclear firestorm while they sleep in a nest of money deep inside a mountain somewhere. I feel very sad for the world that all the progress made since the second world war is about to end


Paige
said
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If McCain/Palin wins.

we are in for it.



i will be one frightened/terrifed American.


Mark
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War with Russia? NO WAY MAN! That's another Bush = Republicans!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Let's vote for Obama. Reasons: Enough war in Iraq, Afghanistan in the past 7 years, then push up oil prices, then many people loose their jobs in airline, car, farmer industries, then push up the commodities prices like ethanol, foods, etc. then housing bust, then credit crisis, investment banks collapse, then WHAT!! VOTE FOR OBAMA = DEMOCRATIC for change.


Allan
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I saw the interview clip. She didn't say she wanted war with Russia but she did make it clear that if a NATO ally is attacked the US will help it -- that's what allies are all about, protecting each other


Undecided Canadian
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Although the article is about Palin, most comments seem to pitch Palin against Obama. It would make one believe that Palin is going for presidency instead of McCain.

Obama or McCain, not sure who would be better.

But, presidency aside, I would prefer Biden advising/supporting the president over Palin. I'm not too clear on Palin's contribution in addressing the US economy, healthcare issues, and foreign affairs.


Andrew C.
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This sounds like Palin wants to put an end to this planet by creating a total extinction to all living things if she wants total war. She is so right wing that she`s preaching for doomsday.


Kate
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Sarah Palin is wrong for this country.

She does not care about YOU and she does not care about the U.S.

She will follow Israel into Iran, go to war with Russia, and will sacrifice our troops, spend our remaining dollars and throw away what little respect we have left in this world.

Stop this nonsense now!



ernestine thomas
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Even a humble girl like me from the south bronx knows that Georgia invaded south ossetia. Did palin really think Russia's invasion completely unprovoked? she seemed to be in a panic sitting across from Charles Gibson. she did not know what he referred to by "the Bush Doctrine"; this is unbelievably scary. to think there are people willing to vote for this ticket boggles the mind. This country is in HUGE trouble. i knew that before this election, but now i am certain. we will never be able to compete globally because our government is stuck in the past. we'll be at war all over the world: us against everyone else!please, for God's sake, America, wake up, before it's too late!!


Daryl
said
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I feel so much better about Palin after meeting with Charly. Knowing now that god will give her direction, I'm sure I'll get about 3 minuts sleep tonight.


peacemaker
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Yahoo! American Republican satirists McCain/Palin versus Russian nuclear superpower and KGB trained intelligence leader Putin. "Pick a fight with Russia? Why not? We have lots of lives to spare. that's our track record!" - american leadership.
I think a better quote of Linclon's for Palin to consider is one that goes. "Lets not worry about if God is on our side, but if we are on his"; because frankly, Palin makes me worry!


High Schooler From Edmonton
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This is potentially the next President of the United States? Someone who could potentially be the most powerful person in the world? At the risk of sounding corny, with great power comes great responsibility. Provoking the most heavily nuclear-armed nation in the world is not a responsible thing to do.


Walter Funk, McMahon
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Canadians enjoy criticizing Americans, but, judging by most of the posts, it seems we know less of what's happening in the world than they.
And to Wally J the American, please look a bit deeper. If we were wanting real worries we would be discussing North Korea or Iran. But we know the Americans will keep us safe so we can keep on proving our ignorance by talking how terrible the US is.


Mark from Calgary
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For all you Palin fans, first read through the interview before you comment. The woman is ignorant of basic foreign affairs yet alone complex issues. You want war with Russia? Then cheer on Palin. Just remember Canada will be sitting between Moscow and these baffoons in the White House.


Nik
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Silly Woman...
Attacking Russia?
Does she not realize that Russia counter attacked Georgia AFTER the fact that Georgia was killing Russian citizens? Be scared America!


Adrian Koika
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Are you kidding me? Russia invaded Georgia unprovoked? How can you just ignore the fact that Georgia attacked Russian troops and Russia citizens in a breakaway region that Georgia has no control over, while Russia does? Georgia essentially attacked Russia. Good lord... Hopefully this chick goes back to be the Mayor of a town of 7000... You cant just wipe out evidence to make your statement look better.


Linda in Hamilton
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Marc Coquitlam in B.C.; Your comment was so funny! Thanks for a much needed laugh.


War with Russia
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She wants to start WWIII, doesn't she?


David
said
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My goodness!

It makes McCain and Palin more warmongers than Bush and Cheney. If I were forced to pick one. I would choose Bush administration over McCain administration!


Cary in Illinois
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Ok.....
Bush....Oil man!
Cheney....Oil man!
These 2 have made more money off of the Iraq war than most of us will see in our lifetime.

Here is a quote from a story I read.....
Dick Cheney used to be CEO of Halliburton Corporation.
“Halliburton has already raked in more than $20 billion from the Bush-Cheney Administration for work in Iraq, and they were awarded some of the first Katrina contracts," Lautenberg said in a statement. "It is unseemly for the Vice President to continue to benefit from this company at the same time his Administration funnels billions of dollars to it. The Vice President should sever his financial ties to Halliburton once and for all.”

Cheney continues to hold 433,333 Halliburton stock options worth over $8,000,000!
Also Haliburton has no bid contracts guarantee they get the contract.

UGH!!! Dick Cheney is rolling in the war money!

Palin....Oil woman! Biggest oil state in the USA!

We need to change our country to be less dependent on OIL. That is a fact!

Electing Palin would be another WAR monger out to make money off of more wars!

PEACE, LOVE, HARMONY! That is what I teach my 5 children.




Alta Conservative
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Does no One on the left understand how the NATO Aliiance works.This is a sad example of the downfall of our education system.
All NATO memner countries would come to the defence of another member being attacked.
The question was if Georgia was a member of NATO ....


russian
said
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Go ahead Sarah! Uhhhaaaa.... we are waiting...
Your war with Russia (and your life) will last for about - 30 to 40 mins. That's how long it takes for russian nuclear missles to reach US mainland.




Graham Hamilton Ont.
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This woman believes that war might be possible if Russia "attacks" Georgia again.
She is not in power yet and already she has lost the plot.
Georgia performed an act of racial cleansing, they attacked in the middle of the night and their targets were civilians; Russia puts an end to this nasty piece of state sponsored thuggery and yet is accused of invasion.
Much like McCain; she is for more war, more killing and more power to the oil companies.
From "bomb bomb Iran to bomb bomb Russia" this duo are big trouble for all of us; you couldn't make this up.


American in Canada
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What a hypocrite (Palin, AND McCain). As a Republican, I am appalled at what the neo-cons have done to the Republican Party, the Constitution, and America as a whole.

They have no moral ground on which to stand in objecting to one country invading another.

The neo-cons have created this environment and now they have the nerve to suggest others not follow their example (even though in this case, Russia hasn't). Unbelievable!

Support the Campaign for Liberty!



William
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Some more very biased reporting on the Obama train to nowhere! How is it that she is not qualified or experienced enough and Obama is? Obama belongs to a racist church, associates with a known terrorist and felons in Chicago but he is the one?? This does matter as it reflects on his character just as references do for a job interview not like the media's attempted smears of Palin's family! Get your heads out of your butts, don't let your hatred of Bush cloud your judgement and look at the facts. Obama is way more scary than McCain and Palin.


johnny bloggins
said
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This lady is.... She will end up as the leader when Gramps McCain kicks it. I just hope the space station is finished soon because the nukes that will fly are gonna make the world a bad place to be if she thinks she can tustle with the russians!


Herbert Ustall
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I had hoped, that US politics was prepared to enter the realms of sensibility and rationalism again, with a new government. But what this woman is declaring is even worse, than what we witness currently. War with Russia is no option. Bringing Western aggression into Pakistan is a sure recipe for even worse disaster, than the US brought to Afghanistan and Iraq. I am not sure, that McCain's decision for his "pal" was a good one...
Herbert, an Antipode


A.G.
said
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Ready to be the U.S. Vice President?..no. V.P. of Maple Leaf Foods..maybe.


Samantha from Halifax
said
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This woman is unbelieveable. She is a Republican's wet dream - sexy, right wing and big-mouthed. I hope that big mouth continues to open loud and proud so everyone south of the border can see what an enormous mistake they'll be making if they vote for John McCain and Ms. Palin - the 'eye candy' the former chose as a running mate to prove he's 'liberal' enough to put a woman on his ticket (and scoop up as many jaded Hillary supporters as he could)!!


Skid
said
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I guess she is sexy.....if you think stupid and ignorant is sexy! This person being in a position of power is a mistake waiting to happen. This is no joke...lives would be at stake. Didn't anyone learn the last time another stupid idiot was given power...


pp
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I really really hope that the US doesn't drag Canada into any other 'wars' that they create... sheesh - first off we cannot afford it and second why stick you nose where it doesn't belong? Good Grief!

And another thing:

Georgia was in the wrong in the first place by going in and invading Ossetia - what did they expect Russia to do - say 'OK have it we don't care'.
"invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable" does she really know what happened - I think the average Canadian has a better understanding of foreign policy and politics than she does... sheesh she should stick to the Glamorous Miss Alaska runway...! Oh ya Ken P she is sexy - so am I but I am not running for PM (though I think I would be a great PM!).

.... Easy there pp - take a deep breath.....


Alex C.
said
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I agree. Her incapacity for critical thought is astounding! I guess McCain got what he wanted: a bump in the polls and a celebrity-type to compensate for his total lack of charisma.


Pugfire
said
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Bless us FATHER, for we live in the shadow of the USA and it's obviously unstable, unqualified possible leader.


Jim from Edmonton
said
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McCain dies and Palin starts a war with Russia? Atomic War and the end of mankind as we know it ... ya right, go girl - ha!


SW
said
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All one has to do is think back in time to JFK and Khrushchev, Russia needs to know that NATO would never allow that type of aggression, the invading of a Sovereign nation to take place again and Putin must never be given a reason to believe we are weak on our stance. As for her answer on the Bush Doctrine, she did right in trying to get Gibson to clarify himself, the "Bush Doctrine" has changed overtime,there is more than one part now. It seems by Gibson's own answer he was not exactly clear as to what it is either. Really, the doctrine is not concrete, while it is based in policy, it's an ideology-Bush's way of thinking, which is much like saying "his worldview". I think she did well really.


John Morin
said
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JPM

To Mark

No one is FREE yet, and I will bet you a doughnut to a dollar, after the troops leave, the situation will revert back to the way it was.

This woman is a strong person, but not a Thatcher.


James A.
said
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lillian
Go Sarah! What a breath of fresh air!

Yes, Hurricane Sarah! Category 5.


Martin Laplante
said
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That is friggin nuts. All the cowboys out there who love war and muscle.. great!... when you're not affected.

The rest of us who are educated actually understand what's happened in Georgia from the RUSSIAN point of view.

This chick is absolutely crazy. If the United States went to war with Russian, it would be the long awaited third world war and nucleaur holocaust.

Now, I understand that seems like a really NEAT proposition because, as humans, we love to see the extraordinary (I really don't need to provide examples - do I?)

But, this is a SERIOUS SERIOUS matter.

If the Republicans get in and they have that type of attitude, we will be flirting with nuclear war.

You know what... you have to be diplomatic and negotiate in this world. You think you're STRONG just putting your foot down and saying my way or the highway... You think it's doing the HARD choice?

Think again... from the dawn of time, MEN want to FIGHT.. it's part of our DNA. But it takes a LOT MORE BALLS and STRENGHT to negotiate and talk it out then go in with guns blazing like those brainwashing U.S. commercials show.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of people out there who see negotiation and talk as WEAK when it's the exact opposite.

Let women run the world..... they can call on the men if there's true valid fight or war worth fighting.

For crying out loud..




Freedom fighter
said
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"Matt G
Ummm...Georgia didn't attack South Ossetia...It's part of Georgia. The rebels there are technically Georgians, within Georgian territory.

And Palin talked of Russian invading a DEMOCRACY, not a malevolent dictatorship such as Iraq was..."


Hey, lets not let facts cloud the argument.




Roger T
said
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And what exactly does she want to do, send her own kids there to fight or will she ask for more money and send OTHER FAMILIES KIDS for sacrafice?

America can't afford another war as it's already in debt and the lost is mounting by the day!


Gail, Halifax
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Mark from Calgary - FINALLY someone else who has seen a globe and understands that the US is NOT our only neighbour :)

JD - the people who listen to Palin are the people who think like she does. Unfortunately, the US has approximately 55 MILLION voting citizens just as ill-informed and willing to twist facts to suit their own purposes. We saw this in the last election when they re-elected George Dubya (Mr. "Weapons-of-Mass-Destruction" himself). Scarey to think, but there is actually a good chance McCain/Palin could be elected.

Here's hoping the rest of America can rally their silent majority to the polls come election day and keep this pair far far away from that red button.


Jack R.
said
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What a nut job. I mean end of the world, bring on the Jihad nut job. Russia has nukes. Doesn't she think that if their territory is invaded that perhaps they might respond with nuclear weapons, and we'd all die in the process? Jim a free Canadian, you're and idiot. She's not a leader. She's a psychopath and you're living in a fantasy world.


Some Canadian
said
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She was governor of the state closest to Russia, so I think she's more than qualified to talk about Russian-Georgian relations. I mean, that's what the GOP has been saying, so it must be true!

Geez, if that's the only reason she's 'qualified' about speaking of foreign relations, then the guys on Deadliest Catch must be even more knowledgable about Russia, because they're even closer to Russia than Palin! Give me a break.


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