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Date: Tue. Sep. 9 2008 5:06 PM ET

Scientists are preparing to smash protons together in a 27-kilometre tunnel deep underground, in the hopes of detecting extra dimensions, 'dark matter' and the mysterious Higgs boson -- the so-called 'God particle.'

The experiments are designed to re-create what happened immediately after the Big Bang.

"As far as we know, a very long time ago there was an enormous amount of energy that suddenly created space and time as we know it," Bob Orr, a physics professor at the University of Toronto, told CTV Newsnet on Tuesday.

"This energy degraded itself into a lot of particles, and these are the particles we see around us that make up matter. So, the stuff that you're made of is quarks and electrons that were produced in this Big Bang."

The tests will be conducted using the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), located underneath the French-Swiss border, in the European Organization for Nuclear Research laboratory -- better known by its French acronym CERN.

The amount of data expected from the experiments will be so huge, CERN will use 60,000 computers around the world to help calculate the results. It's called the LHC Grid.

On Wednesday, scientists will make their first test run, sending a laser beam around the tunnel that will mark the path of the particles. In late October, they'll start sending clouds of particles on a collision course at the speed of light.

"Two protons will collide, and the quarks inside the protons will collide with each other," said Orr. "There will be something like a fireball of energy, and this will make new particles -- things like Higgs bosons."

Scientists believe the Higgs boson particle may be responsible for giving mass to everything in the universe. But it's never actually been discovered and remains a theory.

Canadians have helped design some of the technology that will study the aftermath of the collisions.

TRIUMF, a particle and nuclear physics laboratory at the University of British Columbia, helped design a detector called ATLAS. It's a long narrow tube, roughly the width of a pop can, and weighs 7,000 tonnes.

ATLAS will send data back to labs around the world, including TRIUMF, which will then send the information to five Canadian universities to crunch the numbers: the University of Toronto, Montreal's McGill University, Edmonton's University of Alberta, the University of Victoria and Simon Fraser University in B.C.

With files from The Canadian Press and The Associated Press

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Cinder
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This is the coolest thing ever! I wish I could be there to hear the first scientist say, "Now that's funny..."


Cam
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These scientists should not be doing this. They are mucking with "mother nature" and are putting thousands of people at risk should the experiment not go the way they intended. Originally this was appealed due to speculation of an explosion similar to that of a nuclear bomb going off. I'm a big boy so I'm not afraid to admit it...This scares the crap out of me.


ET
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Pretty stupid to be messin with stuff, when you don't know anything of the results, on such a large scale! Scientists are the dumbest smart people I know (well, next to politicians). This "hole" experiment proves it.


Brett (Vancouver)
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I'm reminded of when they tested the first nuclear bomb, and had no idea if they would set the earth's atmosphere on fire killing everything.
I hope they don't open some dimensional rift that grows and eats earth, or lets an alien race through, or generates an explosion so big that earth is thrown off it's axis...

... I think I watch too much science fiction.

I hope things go well. It's an exciting experiment. They must be a little worried thou... burying the collider deep inside a mountain.


Dazed and Confuzed
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Whoa! Way over my head...
What's this tunnel for?
Something about another dimension? Huh?


James
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We are so busy wondering if we could we have forgotten to wonder if we should.




Shaun
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I hope they know what they're doing, cause if they exceed 88 MPH look out!


frank
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Wow what a waste of money. With all the people and problems in the world this how scientists show how smart they really are instead of doing something usefull for everyone.


kerr
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Have we got nothing better to spend 10 billion dollars on? I mean honestly science is pretty cool but who said they could play God?



Caveman #1
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Interesting and sad to read some of the comments.

In cavemen days some forward thinking cavemen must have had to go through equally ignorant cavemen as the commentors above.

I can picture Caveman #1 telling Caveman #2 that true fire could burn your fingers but yet cold raw meat gets boring and winter could be easier to go through with heat.

A suggestion ... let's push aside the cavemen #2s and look forward to the future for the betterment of human kind!




CRAZY Jim
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Let's rock and roll!

*Shades on*



Craig in Calgary
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As an astrophysics major, I shake my head at comments by people like Cam.

Dazed and confused:
Simply put, this tunnel is a large laboratory. It takes experiments that have been performed before to "the next level". That is, on a much larger stage.

The researchers are going to speed up (to high speeds) and aim "particle beams" which are really protons (parts of the atom) and smash them into each other.

This should provide the chance to see what the universe was like in the early years. That is, thousands to millions of years after the big bang.

That was an era of much different particles and space. It is presumed that (if these particles are created) the scientists can understand better how the universe started, evolved and how it may end someday.
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Now, we all enjoy a good episode of Star Trek: TNG but there is no chance of another dimension opening up or the world ending. This is just a particle accelerator (which is used frequently) on a much larger scale.


Andy
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In the early seventies, the American goverment tested a nuclear weapon underground at Amchitka in Alaska. I was living in Vancouver at the time(about 9 years of age) and the fear monger contested that this test would split open the San Andreas fault from California to Alaska.
Never happenned (the test did, not the catastrophe).
Let's not stop progress


Eric
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When matter is created so is gravity. Do they not realize that a magnet that big will move more than photons? Matter is equal parts energy and magnetic force or gravity. Creating matter is more than what we can understand because it is of the enlightened mind. It could become a great thing that creates free energy but someone will find a way to charge for that I am sure. I sure hope that ego hasn't played a part in this sacred business of creation. Purity is always very prudent when creating.


Peter Hunziker, Montreal
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Fascinating ! We know already some facts of the Big Bang some 14.7 Billion years ago. But that research into the background noise in the Universe also lead to a number of new questions about black matter etc.
Hopefully this experiment will shed some light on these.


Robin the Hood
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Must be a lefty conspiracy to create a black hole for all those self serving, right wingers to get sucked into... yepper, must be!



Sarah
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Hey...think of it this way: If it does destroy the world, at least we won't have an election!


Evan G
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It is pretty silly to be scared of this particle accelerator. The particle interactions that are generated by the accelerator happen all the time. The only difference here is that it is a controlled environment so we can directly observe what happens. The people who are saying this will be the end of the world really do not understand the fundamentals of physics. That being said, I look forward to the results of the experiments.


ConspiracyTheorist
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Luckily it will not be a full powered test on Wednesday, they will just be bringing up the proton pulses high enough to make sure all the components appear to be work. The plan is that they will then use some time to further calibrate CERN before going at full power.



Scott
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Wow. Some of you guys are truly ignorant. They don't do this stuff blindly. They KNOW what will happen and are just confirming this knowledge.

With attitudes like those expressed here we'd still be cowering close to shore too afraid we might sail off the end of the world.


Joel, Lindsay ON
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Wow...ten billion dollars to perk some 100 or so scientists 'interests', when billions of people around the world live in poverty, disease, and deplorable conditions. Have they lost their minds?!?!


Jacky
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I think after watching too many end of the world movies that this seems a little risky. However, since I totally don't believe in this whole "big bang" theory to begin with I fear that this is just a TOTAL waste of money. Spend it on aids or cancer or famine.. There's way too much going on in this world that could us our help to be messing around with attempting to create more life.


Shane S
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There are better things to put the money to use on. What a waste. I'm sure it's being used for weapons, power and other advancements.

Imagine if they open another demension, here comes 10ft spiders! YUM! LOL! Seriously, this is stupid.


StarBrite
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Twinkle Twinkle
Little Star..
I wonder what you...
are made of.
Here on Earth
we are weighted with hate...
Let's hope this project Enlightens Us...



sierra
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Wow way too much science fiction reading going on here...

"create mini-blackholes that will suck in the planet and destroy the world... "

Yea sorry to disappoint but not gonna happen... whatever they "create" will last nanoseconds before devolving into conventional particles or energy... Scientists are going to be very hard pressed to see anything and it will take years of crunching subatomic level statistics to make any sence of any of the observations.

my predictions... they are going to find out that they were wrong about something.

Personally to the utter chagrin of the scientist running the show they are going to prove that String Theory is right after all.


Roland (Kelowna)
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Hope they find the 'God particle' as they so acutely called it, in order to generate some interest, I think. We will finally know why we are here and the purpose of this universe...


Joe
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Another weapon I'll bet


indica__420
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I think this is a really neat idea. Hmmm maybe people are pissed off because then we will know for sure that there never has been and never will be "god"


Dane
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Scott, don't you think its a little silly for people who "know" what is going to happen to spend $10 billion "confirming" it. The fact of the matter is scientists with good intentions have done many things to unknowingly make this planet a less healthy place to live... aside from that I'm not against this, and I won't be against the $20 billion Larger Hadron collider which will surely be constructed when scientists discover that the Large Hadron collider has left them with more questions than answers.


Mike
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"Joel, Lindsay ON
Wow...ten billion dollars to perk some 100 or so scientists 'interests', when billions of people around the world live in poverty, disease, and deplorable conditions. Have they lost their minds?!?!"

Maybe you could feed the children in Africa with your tears of sorrow? Sounds like there are more than enough of them to go around. Maybe they would praise you as a god.


Mark
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To all of those who bemoan how the money used for these experiments would be better spent fighting poverty and disease-give this some thought.

Scientific research (yes, such as that used to develop nuclear weapons-which this is NOT)-helped create:

-the internet
-computers
-digital cameras, watches
-an enormity of medical breakthroughs such as sequencing DNA
-radio
-TV
-the automobile
-space flight

...the list is endless.

Please, think a little past the dogma of the 'left' and imagine a future with 'clean energy', limitless power (there is more potential energy in a glass of water than can be imagined if harnessed properly) and ever more medical breakthroughs AND enhanced crop production.

Enough with the conspiracy theorists and anti-poverty special interest groups.

This is about mankind's future and scientific discoveries that could potentially benefit us all.


Peter in Iqaluit
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I haven't seen any of you self-proclaimed "scientists" actually hypothesize what could be the outcome of this experiment. I've just seen you insult the ones worried about negative outcomes.... I was hoping to learn something.


Vanessa C
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Maybe this is how the rift in Cardiff in "Torchwood" happened... hmmmm...

Seriously though... I wouldn't be screwing around with this stuff. Until they can find a way to prove the theory without actually doing this... then do not. Summat tells me this is not such a good theory to "test"... the smashing of the atom had enough consequences... this scares the bejeebuz outta me.


Troy
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This is just so wrong to be doing on our only earth..


MuskyBuck
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To Vanessa, No...this is how the rift in 'The Mist' was created, please get your screenplays in order.

To Troy....actually Sting Theory suggests a minimum of 11 dimensions existing so no this isn't our only Earth.

To Peter in Iqaluit...there are much more deserving fools needing your defense....if you're truly interested in learning what the CERN Reactor is, then don't try to glean information from reading the scrawls on a bathroom wall.


chris
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I agree with Crazy Jim!

Shades On!!

Let's do this thing!!


Buba
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It's an exciting time in science. These kind of experiments will help us better understand our universe.


yaya
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I'm with Mark. I'm interested to see the outcome of this little experiment!


jeffw
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To MuskyBuck:

That was top shelf!




Mickey
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WooHoo!! Something new and exciting to look forward to watching on the Discovery Channel. Getting kinda bored with reruns.



Elen from NZ
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To all those who oppose it...

Let's not forget that most discoveries made in the past, the same discoveries that make our world what it is were not made conventionally. Many of those people who had the brains to try something different and see what happens were frowned upon and in the earlier days even burned.

Imagine if discoveries made here could be the very solution to energy issues, polution or even space travel... We would never know if we don't try!

So, let's rock and roll, people!

I am just sorry I cannot be there to witness the first "explosions"!!


Matt
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As an intelligent person, I also am disturbed by some of the comments here. People seem to think at the level of most children when it comes to science, or anything related. There literally isn't a thing around you right now that wasn't discovered by experiments just like this! Saying that the money could be better spent elsewhere is disturbingly ignorant of how discoveries are actually made. I don't think someone just woke up one day and said "Gee, I think I'll make a MRI machine", which of course benefits millions. Sometimes, you need to understand basic concepts before making something new!


JFK
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about as pointless as NASA


davidovich
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To the people who say we should use the money to feed the poor of the world I say we've already spent trillions of dollars trying to save the world and it just goes down the toilet of corruption.
Bring on the Hadron Collider and bring it on now!!!
When they create a mini-black hole I'm going to do a little dance.


Rob
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@ Mark

-the internet
-computers
-digital cameras, watches
-an enormity of medical breakthroughs such as sequencing DNA
-radio
-TV
-the automobile
-space flight...

Yeah... Some major advancements those have been for starving third world nations...



BC Wet Coaster
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Just remember what happened in Doom and Half Life - Have your BFG and crowbar ready!


Nick
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10 billion dollars is a drop in the bucket compared with the potential benefits that could result though increased understanding of how the universe works. We probably can't even guess at the potential impact on future technologies that could arise from the discoveries from the LHC. I'm disappointed by the rampant anti-intellectualism being displayed in some of these comments...


Mark in the East
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Can point out that the 11 dimensions posited by string theory are not 'alternate realities' but, if you will pardon my description, extra physical descriptors of the universe we already know. We are familiar with 4 dimensions: Length, Width, Height and Time. Think of it that way.


Wendy C
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Ten billion dollars, eh? Just think, if we never implemented the Canadian gun registry, we could have easily donated over one-fifth of the cost to the project. Things that make you go, hmmm.


riley
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This is dangerous and should not be performed but humans, no matter how sure they are something won't happen. It's messing with stuff that just shouldn't be messed with.


GREG TROLLEY
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I have been following the process of this being built and was hoping this day would never come. I get goosebumps thinking about what could possibly happen. No one knows the severity of it and what chain reaction it could cause. I know when they start that machine up I'll be tucked away safely in my home made shelter (my shed) gripping my life mate Carlos tightly.


Josh
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It's funny to hear them say "As far as we know", because that's the problem, they don't know. They only theories that have never been proven. I mean if they were truly scientific minds thay would be more careful and reaplace the word "know" with "think".

All they're trying to do here is prove to themselves that the theories developed over the 20th century are actually facts and they are spending billions in the process ( and I think it's a lot more than just 10 billion $).

Did any of them really think what could happen if this went all wrong. I know it's far into the ground, but I sure am glad this is happening in Europe and not here.


Sean
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Sounds awesome, but shouldn't they be practicing this outside of the solar system? :)


Marissa
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I love science. This is very exciting that people are doing this, but I just think that it was a waste of money. There is no real reason for us to be spending billions of dollars on finding out about what happened in the past, which doesn't have any effect on the present and our future. I don't see how this experiment will help us (other than more things to learn in science class). How sure are we that these scientists just want to prove that God doesn't exist or what ever their personal agenda is? how should this help us and our planet?

I think they should spend all this money and research and time on something worthwhile- like finding cures for diseases, saving the enviroment, finding alternative fuel sources, etc.

I know this has been a subject of debate with the whole God vs. Big Bang theory, but can't we put our differences aside and spend our time on something that actually benefits our planet. (yes, more knowledge about the Big Bang is beneficial, but a cure for AIDS definitely does more for our species)

Don't get me wrong, I love science, and I can't wait for the results to come back; I just believe they are putting their funds and time into something that may not be all that worthwhile in the long run.


Nigel
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Stuff like this is very exciting...Why should we do it and spend so much money? Because we can, and we want to, and because the discoveries gained will lead to new technologies that might benefit mankind. The cost? About a month's worth of the cost of the irresponsible invasion of Iraq. If we can blow the crap out of innocent people for $10B per month, we can certainly afford to take mankind further in our understanding of the universe in which we live.


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