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Date: Mon. Aug. 18 2008 11:02 PM ET

Many Canadians hold negative attitudes towards people with mental health issues, says a new poll released Monday by the Canadian Medical Association.

The CMA says those attitudes have not changed in decades. The federal government has announced $75 million in funding to de-stigmatize mental health in Canada, but results could take years.

The poll, which was part of the CMA's 2008 National Report Card, showed 46 per cent of Canadians think people use the term "mental illness" as an excuse for bad behaviour.

One of four Canadians in the survey said they were scared to be around someone with a mental illness - something that doesn't surprise Tammy Lambert.

She has suffered from schizoaffective disorder for more than a decade. She writes poems about her delusions and says she often feels alone at school, fighting the fears of other people.

"I don't think that they mean to treat you differently, it's just something that happens," Lambert said. "It's like mental illness red flags people."

The poll also showed only 50 per cent of Canadians would tell a friend that a family member had a mental illness -- compared to 72 per cent who would talk about a cancer diagnosis.

"We need to do a major education effort aimed at the public because the stigma with mental illness is clearly, clearly out there," Dr. Brian Day, CMA's president, told CTV News.

In an earlier press release, he said that "in some ways, mental illness is the final frontier of socially-acceptable discrimination."

The poll also found that:

  • a solid majority of Canadians would not have a family doctor (61 per cent) or hire a lawyer (58 per cent) who has a mental illness;
  • 55 per cent would not marry someone who has a mental illness;
  • 27 per cent of respondents are fearful of being around people experiencing serious mental illness;
  • 15 per cent of respondents had themselves received a previous diagnosis of clinical depression, the most common mental illness.

Meanwhile, less than half of Canadians think people struggling with drug and alcohol addictions have a mental illness, says the report.

The results also showed that only one in five Canadians would socialize with someone who has a drug or alcohol addiction.

"These figures show clearly the insidious stigma still associated with mental health and mental illness," said Day. "These are the attitudes that have kept mental health on the outside for far too long."

Despite the stigmas, 72 per cent of respondents agreed that funding to treat mental illness should be equal to money spent on physical illnesses such as cancer.

With a report by CTV's Graham Richardson

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Bert
said

I totally agree with your article. I have been suffering from depression for over years now. All that the doctors do is try a different drug a couple of times a year. I have very few friends left because of my "problem" Lost my business, wife and kids, became an alcoholic which all together makes me even less accepted. I cannot keep a job and professional help is very little or non excisting. This morning I had to apply for welfare. My mental problem brought me down from a successful business owner to almost being homeless.


Chris
said

I do somewhat agree that mental illness is used as a crutch far too often in our society, especially when it comes to the courts. Based on what I've seen and heard and read, depression is the main reason for people being off on disability. So yes, I do believe that it is used far too much, and not always when warranted.


Tonya Alton
said

As a person living with a mental illness on a daily basis, I assure you having BiPolar is NOT a 'walk in the park!' The stigma associated with such an illness can lead to a very isolated life. At times I fancy the idea of 'trading' my illness for another just to be accepted by our society. I find it interesting that even when people such as Margaret Trudeau, John Nash and Margot Kidder have come forward to share their own personal stories, that only the negative seeps it's way into media and society.


barbara daley
said

How very sad that our society still shuns people with mental illness. I believe the misconceptions people have regarding mental illness are a sign of ingorance and if people were more educated re .this illness a great dealof the stigma would go away. I myself have dealt with people who are mentally ill when I was a nurse and I also have had depression most of my life. I am astonished at the attitude of the general public, as well as the health care professionals--DRS.and Nurses regarding mental illness. When I was ill some of the worst attitude came from a nurse who was my caregiver. Ignorance is bliss for these people, unless the tables were turned .I have even been refused drug coverage by a popular insurance co. due to my depression.
I was taught not to discriminate bwtween physical and mental illness when I was nursing, Also do not judge another person till you have walked a mile in their shoes. It is way past time people really learned the facts re mental illness before it happens to them or someone they love.


Eric
said

Having two close relatives on each side of my tree, I recall as a youngster, being very selective to whom I told about their conditions. The fear was that people won't understand the conditions and they will associate you as possibly being in the same boat. If they get it in their head (no pun intended) then they start looking at you differently. "He's just as nuts as his Aunt..."

Its hard to equate how to divy up money for research. The percentage will always be unfair in someone's mind. Just make sure its not wasted, and how can any of us complain, nor should we.


Nicole
said

The only issue I can see people having with mental illness, and those who have it, is the abuse of the medication. Many of those with mental illness don't take medication regularly because they suddenly feel better but then the issue returns. Those with physical disablilities who don't take medication properly are crippled by the abuse of medication, where with mental illness can become violent.


The Real Jonny
said

I know one who has used mental illness as an excuse for many things, literally abusing the system to get more money out of taxpayers. It is because of individuals like this that faith in the system has wavered.

1000 years ago, it would have been hard work or death; these days you just have to know what to say to a psychiatrist to get pills and a permanent subsidy from the government. Guess what: hard work is a good way to keep depression at bay.


Katie
said

Education is the key. Just like how students are taught about different cultures to avoid racism, stereotypes and prejudice, they need to be taught about mental illnesses.


Sandra
said

As a consumer of mental health services and a provider as well, I can assure you that stigma is still attached to mental illness. It is difficult to understand why is a society that is as well informed as the Canadian society is mental illness still has stigma. Mental illness deserves to be treated as any other debillitating illness. Most persons who have a mental illness would trade any day to free of their illness. I am not on a disability pension and I work daily, I do have good and bad days with bipolar disorder. I resent it when I hear people say people with mental illness are on disability pensions. Th


Inversity
said

That's the major problem: how does anyone define what is "mental illness"? Is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Autism, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), or Obscessive-Compulsive Disorder (OBD) related, in any way to "mental illness". Even some medical professional treat Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and Fibromyalgia as though they were "mental" conditions.

Until a clear, concise, and WHO (Wold Health Organization)definition of what constitutes "mental health" can be ascertained, the discrimination and stigma will continue to affect all those who have been diagnosed or even "labelled" as having a "mental illness"....

P.S. Do olympic athletes who take steroids suffer from a "mental illness" in doing illegal activities to try to get the "gold", "silver" or "bronze"????


Kim
said

I find it telling that only 15% of the respondents had a mental illness. From personal experience I know that people tend to disbelieve in depression unless they experience it themselves. The transformation in their opinions can be dramatic though often too little too late. That said, I'm sure there are people that use it as a crutch - the surefire way to tell is to see if they really want to get better. Trust me, no one wants to live with depression and I have a feeling that's the most minor of all mental illnesses.


Martin
said

As a person responsible for absence tracking for my company, I see a lot of questionable claims of "stress" and diagnoses of "adjustment disorder". Doctors are far too quick to assess someone and write them off work for months a time, based on little or no information. The vast majority of these cases see miraculous cures(from totally incapacitated to a return to work with no restrictions) when we push doctors for more information, as per CMA's own guidelines on return to work. We do work with people who have real issues, but they are far fewer than such news stories suggest. I do believe that it is cynicism with the victim culture that is the basis of these responses to surveys. Perhaps the doctors should take a closer look at their own impact in perpetuating problems.


Ann Daniels
said

I have a sister with borderline personality disorder. I have to agree that mental health is used as an excuse for bad behaviour. Her current mental health problems are due to drug use and abuse, which has irrepairably damaged her brain. While it is true that people do not choose to have an illness, they do choose to behave in either a responsible, or an irresponsible way. Had she behaved responsibly to begin with, she wouldn't have used drugs at all, and therefore, she wouldn't have gone on to make the very poor choices with her life which have led her to a permanent mental illness. I particularly object to mental illness being used as an excuse for murder.

Buba
said

It's natural to fear something that we don't understand.
That being said, I think it is our civic duty in a modern society to educate ourselves about these problems in order to try to understand them and have some compassion for those afflicted with them.


david
said

The Real Jonny: so you think hard work is a cure for depression? You must be a Walmart manager...


Ki-Som
said

It is very sad how people treat others with a mental illness. My partner has bi-polar but because it isn't a mental illness that you are clearly see, people treat him as if he is lazy or immature, not realizing that he does has a illness that causes him to have good days and bad ones.


Courtney
said

First off, I would like to correct something Nicole said. People with mental illness are not any more violent than the average population, even when they are not taking medication. This is a misconception that is supported by the media (through movies, newspapers, etc). The only stories of people with mental illness that make the news, are violent stories, so of course everyone thinks people with mental illness are violent. There are many studies that show that persons with a mental illness are actually more likely to be the VICTIM of violence, rather than the perpetrator.

I have a degree in Social work, and I have been working in the mental health field for many years. I think it is very sad that there is such a negative stigma associated with mental illness, and that people in our society are not trying to educate themselves before making assessments and opinions on people who are living with these horrible conditions.

Mental illness is a biological imbalance of chemicals in the brain. You cannot bring it upon yourself, nor can you just wish it to go away.

We cannot expect people who's brains are not working properly to be rational and "normal". This is why we see "odd" behaviors, people refusing to take medications, and persons who cannot hold down jobs. It would be like asking someone with a broken leg to run a marathon- it simply won't happen.

I encourage all of you who are posting to educate yourselves about mental illness. The BC Schizophrenia Society offers many programs for education, including family education courses (where you learn about your loved ones illness), and public presentations where you can hear first hand experiences of a person with a mental illness.

I have had many clients tell me that the hardest part of living with a mental illness is not dealing with scary voices, or learning to cope through major anxiety or depression. Rather, it is dealing with what other people think of them. This is very, very sad.

Until you have personally felt what it is like to have clinical depression, anxiety, paranoia, voices, and such, please do not judge.


Mateo
said

The brain is one of if not the *largest* organ of the body. Yet gets little medical attention in comparison to heart disease or lung disease. It's ironic because the brain is a fundamental to survival. We only have one brain and it cannot be replaced by artifical transplant or donation.


Frank Buchan
said

First off, this is a silly poll. It presumes too much about the broad term "mental illness." I doubt most Canadians can define the range of possible mental illnesses enough to answer these questions contextually.
A lot will then be answering from a worse-case viewpoint, making the results unreliable.

Second, even if we assume people know enough about mental illness to qualify their answers, the questions themselves seem designed to ensure high negative responses. If my family doctor suffers mild depression, or has any of a number of mental illnesses that are problematic but not debilitating, I will stand by them; but I certainly would abandon them if they suffer something debilitating, because it affects my quality of and access to service. No one is going to choose a service provider who may be inaccessible due to a known illness of any kind. An even more precise proof of the nonsense factor in these results: who would ever hang onto a family doctor who starts to suffer dementia? Of course you won't, because that illness, while tragic for the sufferer, degrades your service reliability. It's not stigma that makes you turn away, it is practicality.

As for those fearful of being around people with serious mental illness, how is that stigma? That's either a lack of awareness (a whole other issue), or perhaps an experience-based response. I know someone with bi-polar disorder I would trust my life to, but I also know a person with bi-polar who refuses to take their medecine, drinks, and is extremely violent at times even when unprovoked. I certainly would have to say I'm fearful of folks on the problem end of that spectrum. It doesn't imply stigma to recognise some people (mentally ill or not) represent danger. And since they lump alcoholism in with mental illnesses these days, how many of the respondents are thinking of the violent drunk they know and fear?

Finally, Chris' comment identifies the source of "stigma" that does exist. For most of us it isn't the legitimately mentally ill that are the problem, it is the socially irresponsible way the concept is used. Every time we see mental illness used as an excuse by the shiftless or irresponsible jerks of the world, we see the concept as faulty. The worse aspect of this is it is this broad use of mental illness as a catchall excuse for bad behaviour that explains why we do such a poor job helping those with real needs -- we drain resources off pandering to the idea no one should take responsibility for themselves.

And to enlighten Dr. Day some, mental illness is not race, gender or religion. It is more akin to serious physical illness. Substitue cancer and your inferences start to fall apart, because the same basic percentages would appear by every question asked, except perhaps awareness would soften the edges.


concerned
said

I have a family member who suffers from schizophrenia. We were very lucky to have access to doctors and medical programs that were both progressive and effective. Because of that, we are growing closer each day to seeing a complete recovery.
That being said, we are also very careful about sharing information about our loved one's illness. Attitudes are very primitive in this country. I find it alarming that people are so lacking in education in this area. Psychosis affects 1% of our population - do the math. I'm saddened to see how many people are writing to say they think mental illness is being used as an excuse for bad behaviour. It is also disheartening to see how many shows on television (eg. CSI) portray violent criminals as scizophrenics. A scizophrenic is no more likely to be violent that anyone else. Check the statistics. It's very easy to form an opinion (or bias) if it hasn't touched your life. When you have walked in the shoes of someone who is suffering from mental illness, or in the shoes of the people who are closest to them, you might find your opinion changing.


Eve Brown
said

To Anne Daniels.

Maybe you should do some more research on your sisters illness. It is quite common for individuals with a mental illness such as your sister to try and medicate themselves with drugs or alcohol. Maybe you should try and be a bit more understanding and supportive. After all it could have been you with this condition instead of her.


Been There
said

I know firsthand as the parent of two children who have suffered mental illness(identical twins with Asperger syndrome, ADHD, obsessive compulsive disorder,adjustment disorder, depression and suicidal behaviour ) that there is a lot of discrimination in schools. Parents and teachers often do not want to have teens with mental illness anywhere around the other kids and very little support is offered to help these kids cope in school. It is quite alarming to see how many kids drop out and never go back. There are a handful of excellent school programs out there that offer therapy in conjunction with education and these programs make a remarkable difference in the lives of children suffering with mental health issues. Sadly,those programs are far and few between. Life can be difficult enough combatting disability and mental health issues, trying to do it without a proper education makes it almost impossible. Keeping these kids in school is critical for their overall health and wellbeing.


Mairin
said

To Chris and those who believe that depression is being used as a crutch:

Depression is not an occasional fit of "the blues" that most people experience from time to time. Depression is experiencing the horror and shame of an alien invading your mind and body. You live in a "black hole" while everyone else's regular day to day world passes you by.

I was a successful, professional lady who went from the joys of owning her own business to living off her RRSPs (they are all gone now, I have no retirement funds and I am 57). I was too ashamed to apply for welfare so I used my RRSPs. I wouldn't want the lowest scumbag of society to experience what I have. Unfortunately, as I have no visible effects on my body, a lump on my face or a horn on my head or my flesh falling off my body, people find it hard to believe that I have a life threatening illness.

Diabetes is a life threatening illness caused by a chemical imbalance. Clinical depression and other mental illnesses are also life threatening illnesses caused by a chemical imbalance. Please give us the benefit of some credibility even though you can't SEE our illness.


jtk
said

Let's be clear. I don't believe it is outrageously callous not to want a doctor or lawyer who has a mental illness - but which illness. Depression, which I suffer from, is one thing but some illness that challenges rationality and expertise is another.

As for the other items in the poll, I'd like to see how the questions were posed especially the one about being around 'serious mental illness'.

As human beings, we should all take care of each other and treat everyone with the same kindness and generousity we expect from others.

I'm sorry for those with such serious illness that come up against mistreatment by others. This is not right. I only hope things get better and that such treatment is not something intentional to hurt people - as noted in comments above I think education is important.


Mike
said

I think that part of the problem is that the term 'mental illness' is far too all-encompassing. When you group individuals suffering from alcoholism, OCD, and whatever 'illness' that the suspect in the Winnipeg bus tragedy will be diagnosed with, you can see why people are leery of the term. As one poster previously mentioned, it lacks clear definition, and until it has such, people are likely to assume the worst when faced with this terminology.


Heather
said

To "The Real Johnny"

How insensitive and clueless you are! It must be nice to neither have a mental illness yourself, nor someone close to you who does. Actually, there probably is someone close to you who has a mental illness, but knows better than to share it with you.
It's a little difficult to 'work hard' when you can't get out of bed due to the level of your depression. You insensitive cad.
I hope nobody ever has to depend on you to get them through their illness.


rM
said

when the percentage of any type of poll is this high, then the reality of the situation cannot be ignored.

No sense in condemning the outcome, it is what it is...human nature.

Live with it.


M.E. Hall
said

In reference to The Real Jonny's comments regarding a 1000 years ago and hard work helps depression is the very bias this article is relating to. I have sufferred from Clinical Depression for over a dozen years and hard work is not a cure for this illness.I have it mainly under control with medication after suffering many years. I am a professional unable to hold employment. I do believe that "the real Jonny " should educate himself in the psychiatric medical field and perhaps his first step should be to talk to someone with mental illness and listen to the hell they experience. He will not be able to come anywhere close to what it is like, however before trying to dispense off-the-cuff solutions he will have at least gained a better perspective and helped to alleviate his deep seated ignorance.


Kate
said

To David....As someone who has suffered from depression in the past I can assure you that hard work can be a good thing for someone with depression....Re: the Walmart manager remark, as a staff member of Walmart and proud of it, you must be unemployable....


Vince M
said

If you read the full article 61% of people would not want a mentally ill person to manage their finances.

Excuse me? Who are the remaining 39% who wouldn't mind someone managing their estate who would never be convicted of fraud because they are mentally ill?

We live in a country where all reason has been thrown out the window.






Vince M.
said

Yes, and apart from the doctor doing surgery on my child I don't want the guy flying an aircraft to be mentally ill either.

What a terrible bigot I am.


Phil.
said

I too live with mental illness and others in my family does too.

My dear parents spearheaded a personal campaign for knowledge exchange to cope, and you know what? I'm happy they are happy, we get along

There was even this said to what ills people considered normal in the world, who is therefore vacant of mental illness?

I feel for the people here, keep up the good fight against your illnesses, tell someone don't keep it bottled inside with a macho attitude and end up in like a Greyhound incident.

To nay sayers out there: Take your (General) Patton and bring it down to size [just watch the movie and a particular scene will reveal what I'm saying here].

The ability to walk and talk is not necessarily licence or ability to everything else. If it was, Patton would have to have kissed Hitler.


Sharon
said

I whole heartedly agree with Courtney...and Martin I guess if you had a Ph.D or a BA you would be able to assess people with mental illness. Just because you see it in your work doesn't mean you see or assess everything there is to know.
I have worked with people with mental illness and found in some cases these people can be highly intellegent and very capable of having a successful meaningful life.
But society would rather go by the stigmatisms and stereotypes rather than educating and learning the facts.




M. OMalley
said

Educating us on insanity--I was dumped in a home with a mentally sick woman, and her drunken partner--I needed education but I never got it, I was kicked out onto the streets to fend for myself--Sure educate me I sure could use it. Thanks for the advice.


glen p robbins
said

I don't see the poll is silly-even if methodology involving the nature of the questions is not sufficiently broken down. The fact remains-based on the polling numbers-- that mental illness remains stigmatized by society when it likely occupies a greater segment of the norm than we may be willing to admit.
There is a large number of people with garden variety depression--where a physiological symptom lack of seratonin may be a contributing factor. Most people with alcohol problems suffer from some type of depression--where alcohol is their mood regulator--these people represent 10% of the population, consume 50% of total alcohol sales at a huge cost to society, and are more often than not in higher income brackets (professionals etc) Couple this more garden variety---which might be characterized as 'whining' by some in the public--perpetuated by institutional denials (insurance etc.) with clinical depression and other more serious mental illness and one can see that it is an issue that demographically hits home with many Canadians as the poll suggests. In my opinion this is an important subject and Canadians will become more empathetic with more information and knowledge.


Glen P. Robbins


The Real Jonny
said

Perhaps some of the readers have failed to realize that my previous comment regarding working to get out of 'depression' was directed to the example who fakes it, rather than those who actually go/went through it.


FreakAlert
said

Someone who may have homicidal instincts on a massive scale is shunned in society but, yet, may be embraced at a military recruitment centre.

Some things are just best left alone.


Jenn E
said

I am glad that the results are being published, and I am proud to say that I am not part of the majority. Not only am I married to a wonderful man who suffers from a mental illness, but I am also proud of him for what he has to live with and still continue moving forward. We found out he had an illness two years after we got married, but even still if we had known before hand, I would have still married him. Since he was diagnosed I have suffered through some deep depression, but now I am back to "normal" self, but now I have an enlightened look into what those of us who are willing to admit mental illness suffer with.

We have found the reactions of people in and around us to be very shocking and as a result we have very little to no communication at all with my husband's family. I can only wish that others suffering from mental illness will step forward and that we will be understood better by the masses. Until you have experienced it yourself, you will never fully understand what it means to have a mental illness. However it does not give society the right to be so judgmental of those who suffer with an illness.

I can honestly say that there is help out there for us suffering, and with proper medications and supportive family and friends, it is very possible for someone to live a fairly normal life, or at least manage their illness. If you met my husband you probably would never guess he was ill, and that he took medication everyday. He seems very normal, works a full time job, and is a wonderful artist, but it saddens my heart to think that people would not be accepting of him. Until you have gone through depression or some other mental illness you have no concept of what it is like

For The Real Jonny , nicole and chris, please please educate yourselves and wake up and smell some coffee. Its people like you who make those of us who suffer feel worse and have no understanding. I am shameful to admit until my first severe episode of depression, I was on “your” side, but now I must say that I have taken the time to learn about mental illness and learned to accept other. My ultimate goal in life is to be RN who works with individuals suffering from mental illness, so that hopefully I can make an impact on their life and let them know that there are people out there who care about them regardless of what they have.

Courtney- I commend you for what you said and what you do. My neighbor is also a social worker in similar field of work, and I tell you she has been a great support and has really helped us move forward in our lives. Just remember you are making an impact and that even though you may not always feel that way, that someone life has been greatly impacted by your understanding, support and willingness to work with them.



Andrew
said

Sigmund Freud might be the most mentally ill of them all!


Mae
said

As a person suffering from cyclical bipolar the least common kind and having had a mother and grandmother with bipolar and depression, I have lived with it all my life. Being misdiagnosed is the worst part and being on meds is no fun because people think you don't need it and it's just an excuse. I am thankful for the mental health community where I live and the wonderful doctors and counsellors that try and help through problems. Now I am wondering if my family history is causing the possible Asperger's (ADHD) in my son. He is getting awesome help as well but there are still kids out there that are cruel and mean and just don't get it. I don't want this chemical mess in my head and I wish it was diabetes or something else and people would deal with me differently. They don't know what to say.


Jeanne
said

This is Canada in the 21st century?

I have a BA and a MSW from University of Toronto, and I also have a mental illness. I work in the Mental Health field, with people who are psychologically unwell, and help them with daily activities. These are wonderful people, who are trying to live their lives with a mental illness. It really blows my mind regarding some of the ignorant comments on this site, about mental illness.

As someone else said: Mental illness is a biological imbalance of chemicals in the brain. You cannot bring it upon yourself, nor can you just wish it to go away.

I'm sure I will be corrected, but I believe the ratio for mental illness in Canada is three out of five people! Which, is staggering. Many of you who have a mental illness are afraid to be diagnosed, because of this stigma - and I hate to say this, but I really don't blame you. However, try to get the courage to see a Psychiatrist and get diagnosed, there are pills for almost every illness - and they do help. I know first hand.

I would appreciate those of you who are critical, to take a walk in my shoes.




Max
said

Another dumb, meaningless poll that points to what we already know and leads us nowhere.

It reminds me of the mindless chatter that accompanies discussion of the "homeless problem."

"Mental Illness" is a catch-all that could probably envelope just about everybody. With my tongue planted firmly in my cheek, I can suggest that we're all a little nutty. (I'm not sure I've met a "normal" person in my whole life. Everybody is a little "off" in some regard.)

Indeed, mental illness is a very real, very serious affliction that we, in my humble opinion, over-treat with prescription medications and under-treat with time, attention, professional therapy, and support.

Because there are countless shades of mental illness, those with milder forms will likely always be inclined to suffer silently, while those with severe forms are forced to rely on a loose system that still can't offer a "cure."



Lindsay
said

I was diagnosed with depression, anxiety and obssessive/compulsive a few months ago. I agree with many of the comments that you truly cannot know how it feels until it happens to you or you see its effects on someone close to you. I have been very open with those around me concerning my condition as a means to help them understand. I am the same person as before, I accept that certain things have changed for me and I share with my friends and family my experiences and they have been the most wonderful support.


Bi-Polar
said

I am Bi-Polar.(manic-depressive) At 19(1975) I tried to steal a Greyhound bus to take my friends for a ride and was arrested and sent to a mental hospital. In 1982 I started working for the federal government and had a successful career for 21 years with no incidents, however privately I was dealing with my demons as best as I could. Finally after 20 years my wife had enough and we split in 2001. At that time I drove from Vancouver to Halifax and spent $100,000 in one month, believe it or not(research) that is one of the main symtoms of Bi-Polar. Again I did some "insane" things totally out of character, was arrested and subsequently ended up in a mental hospital in Quebec. I lost a wonderful woman, my home and my family relationship with my children. Although my family and friends knew of my illness they were shocked when they directly witnessed my bizarre behavior. My point is people with mental disorders do not have "insane" tatooed on their forehead. These illnesses come in many shapes and forms and different degrees of debilitation, every case is different. We can not judge any one individual let alone groups of people. My greatest concern was my ability to be a positive role model for my children (16/12) who have witnessed and have been educated about my Bi-Polar. They love me unconditionaly. A wise doctor told me my concerns were unessesary because my illness would teach my children how to overcome adversity. I suspect this pole is grossly inaccurate due to the stigma. There are many individuals and families who hide their illnesses due to shame. That is the true shame.


Alissa
said

Personally, if only one person in 10 is making a "valid" claim of mental illness in order to be supported by our social system, I'm fine with that. The well-being of those whose claims are valid far outweighs the problems associated with those who supposedly fake mental illness to get financial support from the government. Part of the reason people are assumed to be faking is because of the huge stigma associated with being mentally ill. It would be miraculous if our country started supporting research into treating mental illnesses in the same way that we support the search for cures for cancer. The system would be less burdened if people living with mental illnesses had access to appropriate resources and treatments.


glen p robbins
said

Those are wonderful comments Jenn E. People struggle in silence, as you did for many years, but with fortitude and faith of some type endure. These are stories that are important to me, and I think many Canadians. That's how we gain knowledge and insight into one and another. The more that we all know--the more that can be of help and service to one another.


Jaden of BC
said

I think every single person could be diagnosed with a mental disorder. What used to pass as idiosyncrasies of human nature are now being considered "problems," and the people with the REAL problems are being forgotten. The people that really need help aren't able to get it, and the people that could survive without it are abusing their new "status." Sad, isn't it?

Directly about the survey, I don't care if alcoholism or drug addiction is a mental illness or not. I hate drugs and I hate alcohol, and I avoid people who use them. Whether or not they can't help themselves is not an issue. It's just that I don't want to be around drunks and addicts.

I don't want someone to handle my finances if they can't be held criminally responsible for fraud. It doesn't matter if they 'couldn't help it' because of their mental illness. If they have been able to get through school at a high enough level to reach a job as an accountant, lawyer, whatever, they are certainly rational enough to understand right and wrong. Yet, if they DO do something wrong (like cheat my family out of our hard-earned money), they are allowed to plead mental illness, and get off with a slap on the wrist. And we're supposed to feel sorry for them?

I whole-heartedly believe that many people use a 'mental illness' as a crutch, or an excuse for bad behaviour FAR too often. Now, before you jump all over me, saying I am close-minded or whatever else, you might want to know that I have a multiple personality disorder, I'm bipolar, and I'm dyslexic. I'm also the top student at my school, and am in all Advanced Placement classes. I recently received 99% on my English Provincial Exam, in spite of my dyslexia. No one knows I'm dyslexic, and I'm not treated in any special way because I'm dyslexic. It disgusts me to see other dyslexic children refuse to try and help themselves, and instead coast through life using their mental illness as an excuse. It’s never an excuse. They choose to handcuff themselves, whether it’s because they’re too far gone in self pity to believe that they can be better, or they don’t want to be better. I'm bipolar, and when you couple that with a multiple personality disorder, it makes it very difficult for me to socialize, or keep friends and relationships for a long time. Why should I let that ruin my life?

I wouldn't want my family telling my relatives that I'm supposedly "mentally ill." It's my business, and I don't want to be treated any differently. I don't want to be talked to like I'm five, and I don't want people to give me extra attention, or liberties. I don’t want to be treated differently because I’m messed up in the head.

That's how I sympathize with other people like me. Most of us want to be treated like normal, if we have disorders that allow us to be so. But no one can deny that there aren't those out there who abuse the diagnosis, using it to get special treatment. And you also can't deny that there are some of us that will NEVER be treated like a normal person, because it's just not possible.

I can understand why some people are afraid of those who are mentally ill. Unpredictability is something most humans fear. Plus, most people fear what they don't understand. Obviously there is still a stigma attached to mental illness. I'm not refuting that. It would be naive to think that Canadians live discrimination-free lives. But at least we're free to discuss and debate our society without fear of being ostracized. Change doesn't occur instantly. It takes a while for both sides to swallow their pride (or pity) and change our way of thinking about ourselves, and others.

Yeah, it's hard to live with an MPD and a bipolar disorder. But you know what? LIFE is hard. Tough. I think a lot of people need to get over it, and themselves. Everyone is struggling with something, and it's not really as bad as you think. All we are is the sum of our scars. How we survive, and learn to live with them, is what makes us who we are.

PS - this comment took me more than half an hour to write because of dyslexia, and my MPD. Hard work is key. You can overcome most problems if you don't let them control your life. I guess we should all stop dwelling on the problems, and concentrate on finding the solution.

And to david, you have to work your gorram ass off to get better. Especially to get over depression. We're not talking manual labour, here.

And to Courtney, I had a desk thrown at my head when I was seven years old by a boy in my class who refused to take his Ritalin. Another kid smashed out all the lights in one hallway of my elementary school, because his crayon broke. Another kid started chucking pool balls and scissors after he had stopped taking his medication. My girlfriend stopped taking her medication and cut herself all over her body, and started throwing herself into walls. Self harm is a type of violence, in my mind. From my personal experience, mental illnesses and lack of medication can lead to violence.


Bob K
said

Bravo Jaden of BC....I agree with most of your comments. A lot of people these days are weak and lazy and use mental illness as an excuse for everything. As for the poll, I doubt there is anyone out there who wants a doctor or lawyer with a mental illness.


Mike
said

All I can say is that I find that weird. I understand if the person is dangerous because of the mental illness but normally I don't see an issue. Friend of mine has depression and it doesn't bother me.


Ann O.N.
said

The stigmatization of mental illness is so poor that I refuse to go to a doctor for any reason, because I'm concerned they will attempt to diagnose me with something and effectively end my life as a functioning member of society.

If I am diagnosed, I will not be hired, I will not be befriended, and I will be treated worse than someone who abuses social systems joyously.

I know people who use their mental illness as a crutch to be lazy, I've seen it firsthand. They have everything handed to them and have no work ethic. The stigma is given to all on the basis of these people.

I may have a mental illness, but will never admit it because I refuse to be grouped into the same category as those people. I'd rather die than be labeled as having a mental illness.

That's how bad the situation is in one of the most advanced countries in the world for people like me.


Richard
said

My family has a history of mental illness. From an aunt who institutionalized at an early age to my mother who suffered with depression all her life. I too would get depressed and thought little of it except that it was a part of who I am. I was able to live with it although I had good friends who were able to cope with my various mood swings. However, a few years ago, a series of personal events that began with the death of my mother opened a rather dark chapter in my life. All the mechanisms that I had used over the years to cope with depressions did not work. My personal and professional life began to suffer as each bout of depression was darker than the last and thoughts that I had never entertained before began to look like the only way out. Upon the urging of a close friend I sought medical help and the medication has more or less brought it under control.
While I have been very open with my illness, I was surprised by the people who viewed it as a weakness and began to distance themselves from me. I have been luckier than some. My medication has help control my depression and this episode has shown me who I could count as a true friend.



boysie ramsoomair (ram)
said

Just as physical diseases exist, so too there are "mental" diseases.
Mental illness is more complex and difficult to unravel than a physical ailment. The reason for this is that we cannot fully grasp the nature of the mind.
Until we do, which may not be possible, we will
continue to suffer.
As someone who has also suffered and is totally
free from this for more than 25 years, I can assure you that the stigma is mine to take to the grave.
Ram


Elisabeth Ziegler
said

Pick an angle to address this issue:

1) What is the medical profession doing to stigmatize people with mental health issues?
2) What are we conditioned to believe by the pharmaceutical industry in order to ensure their profits?
3) How much "mental illness" is from trauma, assault and abuse?
4) How much mental illness is caused by our value as humans in North America as determined by our jobs and ability to spend, reduced support far flung families?
5) How much mental illness is caused by the need for more ways to define "have vs. have not"?
5) Maybe we wouldn't have to differentiate between mental "illness" and "bad behaviour" if we accepted people for who they were, and judged simply their actions?

I'd like to see the emphasis on mental "health" not "illness" and those things which prevent us from being mentally "healthy".


Angela Guenther
said

I lived my whole life working and with ups and downs throughout went from drug addict in my early twenties to middle management in my fourty's making $150,000 a year in alberta. By the time i was fifty i went into an irreveresable and black depression which saw me gaming for 20 hours a day. The why's of the onset are not important but what is important is that I always knew 'something' was wrong. The why's of the onset are not important other than it was inevitable. I finally went to my gp in tears and asked for help not knowing what else to do. She sent me to mental health and i went on a 12 week adult day class program on willingdon.
It was the turning point for me since i have only gotten slowly better since. It is 5 or so years since then, my relationship with my teenage daughter has slowly gotten better, and i take my meds faithfully knowing that even the shortest period of time without them will throw me back. But i am honestly, even living in the abject poverty that disablility covers me for, the happiest that i have been in my whole life. I finally know who I am and why i did certain things in the past. And as funny as it may seem, even tho I know I am bipolar, i am not the freak or wierdo that i had always thought myself to be before. It's all about fitting in.



Joey (Montreal)
said

Most Canadians have mental health issues. They just don't realize it. You know how it goes - quick to judge others but look at one's self.


Wendy - of WPG
said

JADEN of B.C says it all ,, i agree 100% , if more had this same attitude ,, the world be a better place .. congrats JADEN


Jaden of BC
said

Fantastic questions, Elisabeth Ziegler. We need to look closely at how we define ourselves and our so-called "mental illnesses." If mental illness is such an theoretical epidemic that 15% of respondants alone have been diagnosed with one form, is it such a stretch to consider that perhaps our society has something to do with it?


Jaden of BC
said

To Joey (Montreal):

Is it mental illness, or simply the faults of being human? Over-diagnosing only harms the people who truly need professional attention.

If we are able to shrug mental illness off as something "everyone has," wouldn't that make it normal? Anyone with a serious illness will tell you that "normal" and "mental illness" are decidedly not equivalent.


Katherine
said

To: The real Johnny and Chris (those who think mental illness is a crutch). I believe your statements are a slap in the face to all psychiatrists (who are medical doctors in case you didn't know) and anyone who has experienced a mental illness.
However I will forgive you as ignorance and lack of empathy is the issue here.
Before I experienced mental illness in my life, I judged those with mental illness. I use to think that an alcoholic was selfish and use to say “why don’t they just stop, it’s not that hard.”
True, someone could abuse the system and lie their way to time off work. However someone could claim false medical ailments as well, say a back injury etc. So should we judge and be skeptical of anyone claiming a back injury?
I am a full time university student working towards a medical degree, I have a part time job at a hospital, and I volunteer every week. No one in a million years would guess what I have gone through in my life.


John Lee
said

Educating people not to discriminate mentally ill people does not solve the problem. The only way to solve it is to "force" the government to build more facilities and hire more professionals to look after these mentally ill people so that these people can get proper treatments and face the society. If the government did not care about this, let's show the problem to every single tourist during the 2010 Winter Olympics!


Anonymous Again
said

This is a huge problem in this country. The isolation of suffering from a mental illness is sometimes overwhelming.

I find that the media and the entertainment industry has also helped the negative impact on people who suffer with a mental illness.

As I who have suffered with bipolar for many years, have had to hide my illness the best I could, because of fear of losing my job.

I have seen others at my place of employment treated as if they had the plague, not really getting a fair chance to exceed in their vocation.

This is a beginning and thank you, it's about time. But the media, the entertainment industry and even big business, must do whatever they can to stop the unfair treatment and prejudice against us, who suffer a mental illness.


brian
said

Hey Chris, ignorance is bliss ain't it?



SRG
said

The only problem I have with this article is the line "Meanwhile, less than half of Canadians think people struggling with drug and alcohol addictions have a mental illness, says the report." Well I am definitly part of the majority in this instance because alcoholism and drug addiction are most certainly NOT mental illnesses. Long before the brains chemistry is altered to a dependent state, the individual has a choice. Many years ago there was a big push to have alcoholism classified as a disease to remove some of the stigma that goes along with it and to try and get more treatment oppertunities for those suffering from it. Unfortunately, it has also removed personal responsibility. And before people jump all over me, be aware that I have an aunt who has recently admitted to being an alcoholic, and an uncle who is, but in denial. As to other mental illness I have no comments.


Jeannette
said

Yes, stigma and severe judgement abound upon those with mental illness-- as evidence in some of the posts here. Yes, there are some people that "use" their diagnosis as an excuse for poor behaviour etc. However, for the most part, those that have a legitimate mental disorder would surely love to live their lives without it. I was married for 15 years to a bipolar man, had 2 children with him and he devastated our entire family 10 years ago when he committed suicide at home. Why? Simply because of the stigma. He would not seek the help he so needed due to fear of the way he would be treated if anyone knew he was bipolar. Now my children are grown men and are still pretty much destroyed by the circumstances surrounding the death of their father. Life for them has not been and will never be the same. It is time that people with mental illness be treated with dignity and respect removing the stigma and perhaps encouraging more people into treatment and avoiding suicide.


Dale Wilson
said

Of course we stigmatize the mentally ill, particularly those unfortunate enough to be living on the street. I'm a jock ex-football player and some of these guys scare the crap out of me, I don't know what they're going to do. To expect a female who weighs 120lbs less than me to NOT cross the street to avoid these guys is just ridiculous.


Em
said

I grew up in the 1960's and 70's and was the daughter of a parent afflicted with epilepsy - unpredictable grand mal seizures. As a child it was my deepest, darkest secret and I took great measures to hide this from my friends because it involved the "brain". Now, we realize there is absolutely nothing shameful about epilepsy - it is a managable, understood condition, much like diabetes. Our society needs to evolve enough to realize that mental illness often results from a (treatable )chemical imbalance. Slowly, the mysteries of the brain are unfolding. Anything mysterious is viewed with fear it seems.


Shawn
said

I would have to agree with the article and what it is saying, especially after having read some of the comments.

I cannot deny that I have observed individuals abuse the system, but that is true of a lot of people. Someone hurts themselves and never returns to work even if they are capable of doing something or the people who go and have kids who have no way to support them and so on.

I would fault the doctors for enabling people to do this and lawyers (or whomever) who sue doctors who won't and policy makers and people who fight to allow people to use this as a crutch.

I know I suffer from moderate to severe depression (as per a psychologist) and maybe even bipolar. The situation has got so bad that it has caused some major issues with my wife. I am lucky that I have been able to keep going though, for now.

And for the record, I don't want drugs to cover my symptoms. If I did I would live my life in an alcoholic haze. I just want my life back and to know why this has happened.

For anyone who has never felt the pain depression, it can be like sitting in a room full of people and being alone. It can feel someday like all the life has been sucked out of your soul. You have no idea how much torment one suffers from with depression.

The negative comments that have been posted are exactly why I don't want to deal with it or have anyone know. Life is hard enough with out having someone else making it harder for you because of something you have.



Martin
said

Like most people not affected by mental illness or work with those who are my knowledge on the subject is limited. My only known personal experience was with a co-worker who over a three day period showed increasing strange behaviour ending in a rampage destroying office furniture and equipment. Any other information seems to come from the media who are quick to report the histories of mental illness in those alleged to have committed crimes. As such it comes as no surprise a poll would show these results. I do not think it is prejudice but just a lack of knowledge on this very serious subject. Education is a must to change attitudes.


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