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Date: Wed. Jul. 30 2008 9:15 PM ET

Expect no major tax cuts or spending initiatives in the coming year from the federal Conservative government, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said Wednesday.

He told reporters in Levis, Que. that federal finances look tight in this current fiscal year.

Last Friday, the federal Finance Department reported that the government slipped into a $500 million deficit in the first two months of the new fiscal year, which started on April 1.

It blamed a slowing economy and the effects of tax cuts on government revenues, although the department cautioned not to read too much into the numbers at this early stage. Economists have noted the Tories came into a $4.25-billion windfall recently over its wireless spectrum auction, which should prevent a deficit at the fiscal year's end.

"Our fiscal planning is on track for this year. I'm comfortable with where we are," Flaherty told Canada AM earlier on Wednesday.

Canada's economy is slowing. But Flaherty said the economic fundamentals here are still much better than the United States.

"We have a good housing market in this country, unlike the United States. Our car sales are good, unlike the United States," he said from Levis, where the Tories are holding their summer caucus meetings.

Canadian banks and households are both in better fiscal shape than their U.S. counterparts, he added. However, Flaherty admitted "there are challenges -- and we saw the challenges coming."

CIBC World Markets said Wednesday that it expects inflation in the U.S. to hit six per cent within the next six months, and that the U.S. Federal Reserve Board will react by raising interest rates by at least two percentage points.

Last week, Canada's inflation rate was reported to have hit 3.1 per cent in June, something driven largely by gas and food prices.

U.S. housing prices continue to fall, but economists there took some small comfort Tuesday in the fact that the rate of decline appears to be slowing.

But a glut of housing on the market in the U.S. means less construction and less demand for Canadian forest products such as lumber. The high dollar also hurts forestry, along with other export-oriented sectors such as manufacturing.

"We're not an island, we're not immune to those effects," said Flaherty, who represents the Whitby-Oshawa riding east of Toronto. General Motors, located in Oshawa, announced Tuesday it would drop auto leasing incentives in Canada.

Canada's unemployment rate rose to 6.2 per cent in June, but there is a regional story in those numbers. The West is doing much better than Central Canada, which is bearing the brunt of job losses in the manufacturing sector.

Flaherty said the Conservative government acted properly in cutting taxes in its previous budgets to provide a stimulus to the Canadian economy. Tax rebates average about $200, and many families have saved $1,000 on their tax bill, he said.

The government intends to continue to reduce spending and debt, he said, but he shied away from making firm promises on ways to cut living costs for Canadians, who have been beset by high gas and food prices.

Flaherty accused the Liberals, led by Stephane Dion, of planning to run up government spending and debt if they take power in the next election.

CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife told Canada AM from Levis that the Conservatives are trying to draw a contrast between themselves and the Liberals, particularly Dion's proposed carbon tax.

"Every time they run into a reporter, they say 'the carbon tax will be terrible for the economy; it's going to increase peoples' taxes'," he said.

Most MPs have heard that their constituents want the cost of living to go down, he said.

The Tories will likely talk about ways to cut taxes on gas and home heating oil, but the government doesn't have a lot of fiscal room left in which to manoeuvre, he said.

In terms of election planning, campaign chief Doug Finley isn't even making a presentation at the retreat, but he doesn't have to -- the Conservatives are ready to go at any time, Fife said.

Bernier speaks

Maxime Bernier, who resigned as foreign minister after misplacing some sensitive documents at a former girlfriend Julie Couillard's home, told reporters in Levis that his fellow Conservative MPs are happy to see him.

"I'm part of the team, and I'm going to work with the team ... to make sure we're ready for the next session," he said in the first time he's faced the media directly since stepping down on May 26.

Bernier didn't directly answer whether he'd like back into cabinet at some future point.

"I'm going to work hard. I'm going to do what I have to do. For me, it's a privilege to be part of this government," he said.

Returning to caucus "is not difficult because I did what I had to do -- I resigned," Bernier said.

While it was very hard in the beginning, Bernier said he's comfortable with his situation now and looked at the caucus retreat as a new start.

Bernier represents the riding of Beauce, which is adjacent to Levis-Bellechase, won by fellow Conservative Stephen Blaney in 2006.

Quebec is seen as strategically important by the Conservative Party in its quest to form a majority government. The Conservatives won a cluster of ridings in the wider Quebec City area in 2006, and Levis sits on the south bank of the St. Lawrence River across from Quebec City.

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Better times coming after this chaos
said

This is all as was expected. Usually by the time most people become aware we are in a slowdown, the economy and markets are already beginning to pick up. In European markets the equities advanced today following a continued retreat in oil prices. Things are unfolding as they should! Next our resource stocks in Canada which have been crushed due to the subprime are poised for a big rebound starting with gold stocks. The financials in the States have more write downs to go but the worst is over. While everything seems chaotic it is [part of the process of purging the excesses of greed out of our financial house. Stay tuned for better times ahead.




Martin of NS
said

It seems like we're only comparing ourselves to the Americans. Sure we're doing better than them, but how are we doing on a global scale? How do we compare to the Europeans for instance, really how are we?

At poor economic times like this, I don't think Dion's green shift will ever work, or make him win an election for that matter.


Chris
said

The Finance Minister just comfirmed what I've been saying all along. WE ARE NOT IN RECESSION! WE ARE DOING FINE!

It's time for Ontario to get with the rest of Canada and change its economic ways!!!


BCM
said

I feel confident that our country is in good hands. The Government appears focused on the problems at hand, and has made wise suggestions to the Provinces on how to best deal with the financial crises facing the world economy. Only those that have chosen to ignore these ideas appear to be suffering the worst.
As for Mr. Dion, when he can show that he can look after his own finances, I may be more receptive to his thoughts, until then, all the best to the Harper gang.


Bill
said

All of our problems/success are a direct result of the price of oil. If oil wasn't so high the auto industry wouldn't be hurting and if the price of oil wasn't so high Alberta would not be booming. We are a victim of world markets and our government, NO MATTER WHO IS IN POWER, can do a thing about it but ride the wave and hope we don't crash into the rocks. I think the worst is over but you never know.


Collin in Alta
said

Canada can't be exempt from what is happening in the world. I think we are in good position to come out of this downturn in good shape. I must admit that a transfer of wealth as the green shift is weill do nothing but harm to everyone.


Matt
said

I think the article reports Flaherty's comments re. the USA because they're our largest trading partner.
It's up to the opposition to end this Parliament, not the Tories. I can see them going a full four years making it the longest minority government in our history (I think?).


David
said

I don’t know this is true. We are not able to develop any major new markets except. U.S.around the world. Due to its unimaginable government deficit and mortgage crisis in inancial sectors(as much as one and half trillion dollars), U.S. economy will not sustain and go to recession. Many provinces ncluding Ontario’ economy will be hit hard. We have to get prepared for the tough days ahead.


Gareth Hitchings
said

In response to Martin in NS,

You're right, we should compare ourselves to Europe and if we did so what we'd find is that they typically have a higher quality of life, and they also have carbon taxes. Dion has proposed a tax of $40 per ton here, well in Sweden they pay a $150 per ton tax on carbon emissions and funnily enough their economy has grown faster than ours and their quality of life is better than ours. All Harper wants to do is keep going with the status quo - more jobs, money and pollution in Alberta and to hell with the rest of us.

He inherited what was just about the best major economy in the world with fantastic public finances and in two years he's totally messed up the public finances and we've dropped from 1st place to last place in the G8.


Roger T
said

Canada's economy slowing but still sound: SOUND THE ALARM, THE RECESSION IS HERE!

No matter how these scripted speeches are written, there is no avoiding a recession. Positive and fake smiles in front of the camera to show face is a temporary thing to keep people happy but the reality is that we relay on the US for export too much and now our country is tied together with the economy stumbling.

But, don't worry we consumers will keep fake a smile for the sake of it and carry on until it really hits us all.

Savings comes before the economy!


ET
said

Why does anybody actually listen to this guy?! He has no earthly clue what he's talking about! Mr. Flaherty should come down to Southern Ontario and see just how "fine" everything is...people are getting laid off all over the place. WAKE UP BUDDY!


Common Sense
said

Gareth Hitchings - you are absolutely right.

But it's easier to ignore facts and deal with empty rhetoric the way the conservatives have.

The highest-taxed places in the world are outpacing us in economic growth and quality of life. It's a fact - deal with it.


Chris
said

Today's CTV polls asks:

Are you concerned a failing U.S. economy will drag down Canada's as well?

So far 73% say yes. WHEN WILL YOU ALL BREAK THIS PSYCHOLOGICAL DEPENDANCY ON THE U.S and START WORKING TOWARDS A BETTER CANADA!!!???

It's brutal that you could think that. We are fine with our economy. As I mentioned before, it's time for Ontario to get with the program!!!


A Real IT Manager From Calgary
said

Blame Harper! That's all you hear from people who seem to only have a one track mind.

Yet when our largest customer is suffering economic problems, these people are not smart enough to know that since demand has gone down, supply will follow. And since Canada's trade is based around the US, that means our economy will slow as well.

Bringing in the carbon tax and countries like Sweden into this debate is silly and has nothing to do with the topic. If anything, a carbon tax will worsen the economy as we've already seen the fallout from people buying less large trucks thus layoffs have occurred. If anything, blame the global warming fear mongers for these layoffs.

But it's easier to blame and the Conservatives instead!


DCR-Toronto
said

The simple fact is that we are the best economy of the G8 and this slow down is very temporary. The markets and demands are all shifting, and when they are done...we will have one of the best economys in the history of Canada. Well, that is if Mr. Dion doesn't pull off a miracle and tax us all to death.


Larry Israelson
said

It is time to shuffle the finance misiter as he has no clue what he is doing. Everyone is finding it tough with oil so high, just to keep heads above water. Layoffs and high prices are the way of the land right now so perhaps our finance misiter should return to the private sector and find out how out of touch he is!
Time for a change Mr. Harper!!!


Vahan
said

It is only natural to compare to the U.S. They are huge. I traveled to the U.S over the last 6 months, and their economic slowdown feels like our economy at full speed. We are smaller and anytime big brother sneezes we have to be careful not to catch the cold. Canadians are more conservative with our money and purchases. Our mortgage rules are solid and our home prices are not exaggerated, except maybe in oil country. All this news of slowdown is good news for employers, they will try to squeeze employees for concessions. Do not give in, because once we pull out what was taken away will not be given back. Elite scare tactics. Go out and live, shop Canadian, avoid any crap made in China and we will be fine. Look at our finance minister, he is so youthful looking with his dark head of hair.


Darren
said

In response to Gareth,

What do you mean by stating we went from first to last in the G8? What financial metrics are you using for that comment. Of the countries in the G8, Canada is the only country with a budget and trade surplus. The envy of all the G8. BTW if it wasn't for the West driving the Canadian economy the east would be in much more severe recession.


J.C.
said

ET,
Mr. Flaherty does not just look at us here in Ontario. He looks at Canada as a whole.
If you want to do something about Ontario then do so when you vote. The Liberals are in power here and the federal government has given Ontario a lot of money to help them out even though they have NOT TAKEN HIS FINANCIAL ADVICE.
Many of the other provinces took his advice and they are overall doing fine.
I for one do not believe Mr. Dion's Green Shift will help our economy at all. I think we already pay enough taxes. In fact I think we still pay too much tax to the province as well as the federal government. The federal government is lowering theirs so why is the province not lowering taxes?


ET
said

A Real IT Manager From Calgary: Of course we shouldn't blame Harper's government for not lifting a finger when we've got manufacturing plants closing down and massive layoffs...they've gone to the Conservatives for help, and all they get is the cold shoulder. The city of 36,000 people I live in had about 23,000 manufacturing jobs, now down to about 10,000. They won't lift a finger! But I'll lift one to them, in the next election (Trudeau style).


Mark M
said

You know I get sick of hearing from all the "pro" carbon tax people comparing us to Europe with their 150$+ per ton carbon tax. When will you get it through your THICK heads. WE ARE NOT EUROPE. WE HAVE THE BIGGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. WE HAVE NO TRANSIT SYSTEMS, WE ARE SPREAD OUT LIKE CRAZY OVER THOUSANDS OF KM'S!!!

Our food does not travel 200 km to the next town, IT TRAVELS 2000+ KM in some cases to the next town, in some cases it is FLOWN in. WHAT WORKS IN EUROPE WILL NOT WORK HERE!!! Not all of us live in TO, Montreal and Vancouver. Please smarten up and look at us as we are, not a tiny little European country but a massive one that takes up nearly an entire continent!!!


Red X
said

Flaherty is a dreadful Finance Minister. The country fell into deficit the previous three months. A slow down is a slow down which could lead to the "technical recession" Unemployment has risen.
The GST cut to 5% did not exactly spur consumption...

With all his bad mouthing of Ontario he should return some of that $20 Billion that Ontario overpays into Quebec and the Atlantic...


Al
said

I think the "Harper gang" as someone put it is doing very well with the taxpayers money. Also, they may very well be the recipients of the longest reigning minority government, but I thing because of regional differences we won't see a majority government for a long time to come. Majority governments seem to cater to Quebec and Ontario. The Atlantic provinces and the Western provinces see they can better deal with a minority government no matter whether Liberal or Conservative.


Doug BC
said

We compare ourselves to the USA because they are our biggest trade partner,live right next door to us,and have lifestyles and an economic system closer to ours than anyone else.
Comparing ourselves to Europe,while not a complete waste of time,is still a lot like apples and oranges.
And "NO".If we lived i Europe we would NOT have a better standard of living.We would be taxed to the hilt,we would be paying $6 a litre for fuel,and the socialists would be following us around to make sure we didn't breath if it wasn't our turn.
Yes.Canada has to continue to find other markets.But the fact is that most other countries can't afford the cost of Canadian goods.We still have work to do on the productivity side of the equation.We MUST evolve so we sell more than raw resources.
But as far as this slowdown,in BC,so far,not to bad.Ontario sounds a lot tougher.


JFJ
said

The minister says, "The government intends to continue to reduce spending ..."

Continue? Where has the government reduced spending? Maybe it has reduced the rate of increased spending that would have ocurred under the Liberals but reduced, I don't think so.

It's time to be conservative and CUT spending drastically. The only increases that are justified are for defence.

Government is organized crime by any other name.


bunny
said

We were prepared, it has slowed, but it is nothing like the USA.


W.Rogers
said

Ahh yes , very sound ! Just like a submarine with a hole in the pressure hull !
Federal "smoke and mirror" show to try and maintain the illusion of economic security in the face of stark reality .
We are tied to our southern brothers bootstraps unfortunately .


Ted
said

Oil pumped out of the ground by foreign companies who pay very little in royalties for the environmental despoilation they cause is the reason for the west's boom. Central Canada's economy is based on innovation and needs investment, but Harper's boy wonder Flaherty jacked up taxes for this sector and keeps syphoning billions in transfers out - all designed to punish the region for voting Liberal. Bad politics and bad economics. Canadians are going back to being 'drawers of water and hewers of wood'. Reminds me of Conservative Diefenbaker who trashed the Avro and let thousands of scientists go to NASA. Harper and is brownshirts on these sites keeping going on about how wodnerful he is and how everyone should move West to God's country. And look we're now running a deficit - good job!


pp
said

Hmmm - we are not in recession - yet I look at the increase in my output for fuel, food, insurance (don't get me started there) and other living costs which on average have risen about 38% from last year. Yet my salary has not risen at all (0%). And the news from my corporation is not good (retail), and those of other industries are also on the downward slide... yet we are not in recession - hmmm wonder what kind of creative book-keeping is going on to bring about those facts??? :)

Seems that yes Alberta is holding the country together, but that little bubble will soon burst. The cost of living out there is crazy, and with the need for fuel decreasing then Alberta will then have a surplus of oil reserves to sell and the oil prices will drop and their little bubble will burst. Economics 101 on the supply/demand side of things... I live in fear of losing my job from 'restructuring' every day. So far though so good! so here's hoping I can ride out the next 16 months till the country gathers more steam and times become better... Otherwise I will be in big trouble and so will many others ;(

Already I have made drastic changes to my lifestyle which I am sure others are making. I really do not think the economy is as good as they say. When everyone I know if making the same drastic changes to their lifestyles then you know they are hurting. I am not sure where the stats are coming from but if the gov't were to ask me about my 'consumer confidence index' then I would be rating it very low - and so would everyone I know.... Scary!


Owen Abrey
said

It has been interesting reading comments from different parts of Canada.
Especially reading the difference in the strident language. People in Ontario feel like the sky is falling. While the West is quite truculent. Probably Canadians could use a bit of sympathy for Ontartio, and Central Canada could appreciate that the West feels like for once they aren't the whipping boy of Central Canada.

The West has felt for a long time like it was second class in Canada. We have watched manufacturing jobs and industry go to central Canada while we have been passed over, and made the "hewer's of wood and drawers of water" for Central Canada.
So it is largely suspicious of what it perceives are attempts to transfer the wealth it has waited long for and feels is due to Central Canada. The Carbon tax would in effect do just that. From the Atlantic to the North and to the West, since that is where we extract and use Carbon the most, wealth will flow into Central Canada. Ontario ironically, feels he pain already. Because for whatever reason, the market has dramatically increased the price of hydrocarbons already--and that without a tax. The huge toll on fuel costs have hit the auto industry hard. So the domino's fall. The auto industry, the top of the food chain as it were, and all the supporting industry is collapsing. So we in western Canada are concerned for our brothers and sisters over there.
We can appreciate that you are hurting. Some of you are moving out west. We will make room for you and welcome you.
For those who want to build a life here with us, and are willing to work hard there is much we can share.
BUT to think you can steal our wealth, or continue with the "Central Canada" mentality,that believes they have a right to what we have worked hard for, we just can't
go along with it.


Lart from Above
said

Canada's economy is doing worse than the US, despite having a stronger resource base. Looting natural resources is not a viable long-term economic strategy, and selling resources is just a matter of luck, not sound economic management. Ontario doesn't have tar sands to replace real economic activity; we have to work for a living. Unfortunately the Parti Albertois doesn't really care about manufacturing, service, or information industries and their workers and investors. Next election, voters will see through the intimidation and deception coming out of the Tory fear factory.


Becky in BC
said

I think I am cautiously optimistic. Although I think cutting personal taxes last year was a bad move. I was ok with the amount of tax I was paying, I was not ok with the price of my grocery bill which has skyrocketed and the price of fuel. Cutting personal taxes only reduces their revenue and makes the strings even tighter as we head into a slow down, stupid.

Those personal tax cuts gave me an extra $5 on my net paycheck...BIG WHOOP. I'd rather he had cut the federal gas tax down which would leak over into the industries hurting and the price of food rising and help to curb those things (not to mention impact the governments revenue less). People need to wake up, cutting personal taxes is not the best solution to everything. Take a serious look at what it really got you, an extra $100 on your tax return?

Big Deal, I'd rather save an extra $50 a month by a lower food bill and gas bill, and I don't even have to commute to work, I feel bad for those who do.

I'll be curious to see if those tax cuts don't hurt us more then government is leading us to believe, time will tell and when they raise taxes in a couple years again I won't be surprised. It's an election ploy and temporary fix because taxes won't stay low forever, no matter what party does it.


MB
said

Please explain to all of the people that have lost manufacturing jobs in the last 6-12 months how the economy is just fine. Every day, there are more job losses due to the higher dollar, slowdown in the US, etc.

I think we are in less of a pickle than most countries, but things aren't rosy unless you're in Alberta, maybe Sask.

The Conservative government will never get a majority and the left is fractured, so expect more of the same for the foreseeable future.

This is what we voted for, we only have ourselves to blame.


Divided we Prosper?
said

I hope people really start to notice the trends that are increasing in our lives and are reflected in comments on these sites.
East vs. West
Alberta vs. Ontario
Flaherty (Harper) vs. Ontario
Canada vs. China
Liberals vs. Conservatives
Truth vs. Messaging
It is an absolute trend with our government leaders today. They have very diligently and effectively delivered a divide and conquer strategy. This is the type of leadership that has created disasters all over the world. It is not leadership. It is using the tools of power to forward their own interests.
It is time we quit allowing it folks. It will not serve us well in the future.


Buba
said

BEWARE!!! It was in yesterday's news that Canada already has lower business taxes than the U.S. of A.; only behind Mexico and the Netherlands and only 10%+/- of Flaherty's long term slashing of business taxes(50%+/-) have taken effect. Flaherty is doing the same thing federally as he did in Ontario - slash business taxes and sell off assets to cover deficits - and he left Onterio in a fiscal mess. He will do the same to the federal budget.


JFJ
said

To MB.

The loss of manufacturing jobs has occurred mostly in Ontario. Direct your vitriol at Dalton "tax'em-outta-here" McGuinty and Buzz "price-workers-outta-the-market" Hargrove.


Elaine
said

I agree with those who have stated that our economic downturn is affecting (negatively) our quality of life.

How can Mr. Flaherty, at his lofty status, ever feel threatened by our economic slowdown. With prices of food, fuel and other basics up so high in a short period of time, unless people's incomes rise a similar percentage, we are left struggling. Most of us don't get the "cost of living" increase added on to every pay. I haven't counted on permanence in a job for a long time, and have to struggle to find another contract since permanent seems a term of the past.

And yes, Canada is nothing like Europe. We are a huge country and have much more room per person and need vehicles more to get around the vast distances, to work, to cottages, to visit family. Our pollution will never be as bad either because we have so much more square footage. In China and Japan people wear protective face masks because of the pollution and disease caused by the population density. People ride bicycles more to get around.

I can't speak for everyone, but I am used to Canada's wide open spaces and private retreats. Living a 5 minute walk from work may be nice, but it means you have less space per person and more pollution. I feel sorry for our athletes having to exercise outdoors in China during the Olympics with their poor air quality.

Whereas the US economy, way of life and states are much more similar to our provinces. They also have spacious homes and need cars. The fresh food in our stores is more often from the US than Canada or some other country. The trucks drive across the border daily and have to pay the price of gas in both countries; I believe gas used to be cheaper in the US than in Canada, but is now almost the same, so that impacts everything coming over the border.

If this is not a recession, or a serious downturn in the economy, then I hate to see what becomes the considered "norm". If $2-$3 a litre becomes the norm, and a green pepper which can usually be bought in Canada is only available from the US at $2 a lb. in season, when we have all this land to farm, I hate to think of how we will all suffer.


ESM
said

Responding to some of the posts above:

How come nobody ever blames the people that are running the company for the loss of manufacturing jobs? Shouldn't they bear most of the responsibility? After all, if the Government is supposed to be able to discern future economic hardships and make adjustments accordingly, shouldn't the CEOs and CFOs be able to as well?


Wayne
said

All I can say is Thank God we have a Conservative gov't that has been lowering taxes and our national debt as this has allowed us to ride out the worst of the slump in the states. There is a post above that says : we are the worst in the G8 = this is patently absurd and blatantly not true. Canada is on top of the heap and I for one will be voting Conservative next election whether it is this fall or the next one and that is for sure


Paul in BC
said

Do you trust Finance Minister J Flaherty after what he did to the Ontario economy when he was in power a few years ago? I don't.

I witnessed the mess he and his fellow conservatives left Ontario: a deteriorating infrastructure, no maintenance at all, just cuts and now we all pay because now it costs a lot more to bring it back to standard and all Canadians pay because Harper and Flaherty are buying Ontario voters with promises of billions for infrastructure improvements. Well if they had not drastically cut back on infrastructure when the conservatives ran Ontario we would not have to play catch up now.

I don't believe these guys, it'll be interesting to hear their marketing game after their party in Quebec. Remember, all they promise comes out of our pockets.

They've ignored the fact too the Canadian economy is faltering under their watch and they only have themselves to blame, Harper has been jetting around the country for the past 3 years doling out taxpayers money to buy himself a majority. I see a deficit coming!!

Are you tired of these guys? I am.


Paul in BC
said

Do you trust Finance Minister J Flaherty after what he did to the Ontario economy when he was in power a few years ago? I don't.

I witnessed the mess he and his fellow conservatives left Ontario: a deteriorating infrastructure, no maintenance at all, just cuts and now we all pay because now it costs a lot more to bring it back to standard and all Canadians pay because Harper and Flaherty are buying Ontario voters with promises of billions for infrastructure improvements. Well if they had not drastically cut back on infrastructure when the conservatives ran Ontario we would not have to play catch up now.

I don't believe these guys, it'll be interesting to hear their marketing game after their party in Quebec. Remember, all they promise comes out of our pockets.

They've ignored the fact too the Canadian economy is faltering under their watch and they only have themselves to blame, Harper has been jetting around the country for the past 3 years doling out taxpayers money to buy himself a majority. I see a deficit coming!!

Are you tired of these guys? I am.


Michael in Ottawa South
said

To MB:

I voted for the Tories. I like what they are doing. I like their fiscal policies. I like the fact Canada leads the G8. I like the tax breaks I received.

I also like the fact that only in Liberal dominated Toronto and GTA tough times are happening which helps to illustrate the ineptitude of Liberal fiscal policies in action.

When times are tough I want a Tory running the ship not a wishy washy, promise anything, deliver nothing, liberal politician which we have had enough of for one lifetime.








Marc
said

We have all this money to send political junk mail fliers to my house, at last count 14 pieces of paper over 3 months, and there is no money for a tax cut? Maybe if the Conservatives and the Conservative Reasearch group would refrain from blanketing multiple ridings with partisan cheap shots, there might be enough to have some sort of tax cut.


Vince M
said

Martin of NS.

I can tell you we are doing MUCH better than the Europeans. My relatives living there (UK, Germany, Spain) say things are in dire straits. The cost of everything is going up because of rising gas prices and new green carbon surcharges. The economic outlook is bad because of a collapsed housing industry there too.


Craig
said

pp: Do you even understand what a recession is?

You seem to think it occurs everytime prices rise or your company does bad. Please open up a textbook and read the definition.

A recession occurs when the economy is not operating at full capacity. It is the complete OPPOSITE of inflation which occurs when the economy is operating beyond capacity.

Also, offically, the national GDP must decline in 2 consecutive quarters. What has happened in Canada? It went down (slightly) for 2 straight months, then rose again.

Also, what's with all the hate for Alberta? Yes, they are doing well. How is it their fault and how is it a bad thing? Perhaps if some of the other provinces learned to emulate Alberta, they would rise out of have not status.

Finally, what do you people want the government to do? All I see is "blame Harper, blame the Conservatives for the recession". I don't see how you want them to help.

Do you want them to start mailing out paycheques? Mass hirings of all laid off factory workers?

Nationalize all industries? Yeah, that's very realistic.

Come on people, look beyond your own noses and let's just ride this out.


Colin
said

I agree with Wayne and the other posters who appreciate and support the conservative government in all my years (58) I can not ever recall things going as good as they are in Canada while the USA has problems like they have. Generally speaking we would definitely be in recession by now and if it were not for the prudent and obviously suuccessful financial policies of our current government. Flaherty is a great Finance Minister and I too am looking forward to voting conservative next election.


Linda in Vancouver
said

I find it a bit ironic the the same Liberals who spew out anti American nonsense are the ones suggesting policies that will keep us reliant on American markets for all of our exports.Higer taxes,high costs and bigger debt leaves us at the mercy of the foreign countries who hold that debt.
If we want to export to other markets,we have to get costs lower so manufacturers in Ontario have a chance.
I'm not fond of Mr.Flaherty or the party he belongs to.But I am thrilled to see lower taxes,and a commitment to lowering our natonal debt.Those are two big jobs for anyone.Both will take some time,but the rewards will be worth a lot more to Canada than any more "freebies" from the Liberal talking points.
Now if we could get ALL our premiers to work together on Canadian solutions,we would be laughing.It's difficult to understand why it's easier to do business with foreign countries than it is to deal with other provinces.
But,as much as I see we have a long ways to go,I think,for the first time in decades we are going in the right direction.


R D
said

No more tax cuts, No new spending. Right on. Being a senior, I just got my semi-annual OAS increase yesterday, ALL OF $3.52/mo.That's .7%. What an insult Mr. Flaherty, thanks a lot. At today's gas prices, that will give me nearly 3 extra litres of gas this month. Boy! I can hardly wait to go for a little drive this coming long weekend. Or stay home and keep trying to fight off the 3% inflation.


Frank Buchan
said

Ontario's troubles have zilch to do with the Federal government at this point. Manufacturers made bad business decisions, and Ontario has business taxes that are not following the slight downward trend elsewhere. That, and our biggest customer is buying less temporarily.

As for the carbon tax, it wouldn't work here like it does in Sweden, etc. We have too few people in too vast a space for it to do anything but devastate our standard of living. That isn't to say we shouldn't do something, but whatever we do better take into account reality.


Kevino
said

And don't blame the Fat Cats that have been running the companies poorly all these years.(sigh) At least the Asian auto companies had the foresight to build cars that were practical in respects to gas. You don't hear Toyota crying about the economy and they build cars in Canada. GM and all North American Manufactures should have known the market for their low quality, expensive products would disappear when times get tough.

On that point I believe the Conservatives are just unfortunate to have a government during an economic down turn; that would have happened no matter who is in power.

On the bright side at least we don't have billions in wasteful Liberal spending (er..vote buying) on the books.


John G
said

Here's a word you haven't heard in the rest of Canada for many a year "Deficit". It's a word that Flaherty brought with him from Ontario when he was Finance Minister here. Canada get use to it. Maybe the 4 plus billion from the sale of the wireless spectrum will save Flaherty and Canada in the short-term, But all of Canada can now experience the same level of budget foul-ups and incompetence that he heaped on Ontario. Guess he just wants to leave another Liberal Govt the task of sorting out the mess when the Conservatives leave power.


DCR-Toronto
said

TO Marc:
You are actually saying that the Conservative Party of Canada's own money should be spent on public social policies ... If the Liberals were in power right now, spending the billions Dion wants to implement in taxes, we would all be sinking faster than a rock. Take a look around the world. Canada is sitting very well right now. As for southern Ontario...the PROVINCIAL government and bad management brought that on, not any Federal policy. The provinces that listened to the finance Minister are doing well. Even the NDP gov't in Manitoba slashed business taxes and that province is booming. Time to leave the 1970's behind, Ontario!!


MB
said

To JFJ: They are also on my short list. Notice how Mr. Hargrove is now making a comfortable exit.

They are all to blame. The companies took advantage of a cost efficient workforce and the governmentS gave them all sorts of incentives. Our tax dollars went to support those jobs, and now that times are tough, they bail leaving everybody hanging. We didn't invest in the right things. Now we have a highly skilled manufacturing force that is sitting idle. The blame goes all around.




Vahan
said

Will people stop blaming the government for the state of the economy. All government could do is tax us and spend on programs to buffer the downtrodden. If you want more government intervention then expect to pay more taxes. The reason manufacturing jobs are being lost, since the dollar has risen is because your bosses/employers were too stupid or too stingy to invest in productivity. Everyone talks a mean game about productivity, yet when it comes to putting money down, they rather spend it on expensive dinners and self gratification. Then the government steps in with corporate welfare. We have to stop these idiots from going to the trough. It is our money, let us keep more in our pockets. GM, Bell and all the others in the news lately are run by idiots and the little guy has to pay for the non-decision taking. Don't hate the government of the day hate your boss.


Hu Wong in BC
said

The way Canada relies on oil and other commodities to steer its economy is frankly scary. It would be one thing if we had some kind of secondary or tertiary industry spin-offs but we don't. The wealth we could have, i.e. middle east countries like the Emirates, Qatar, etc, is being squandered. We sell whole logs here in BC, and pump oil out of the ground for major processing in the USA. Flaherty is pretty clueless, but I think this was a good move. Canada is and always will be a lightweight economic power that's too afraid of playing with the big guys.


MB
said

Michael in Ottawa:

I voted for the Tories too. Mr. Poilievre to be exact. And Mr. Baird when he was my MPP in Nepean.

Accuse me of whatever you wish.

Every level of government has a part to play in this game. What I'm saying is it doesn't matter to those who lose their jobs. If you've lost everything, you're going to look at whoever it is that you can blame.

It's easy for people like me who have marketable skills to maintain employment, and I've made changes to my life. We have to accept a certain amount of responsibility.

Things will get worse before they get better.

BTW - Divided we Prosper is right on the money.


Chris
said

to Craig:

Umm...most provinces CAN'T emulate Alberta. Alberta doesn't have this superior business model or anything. It has oil. Plain and simple. Oil is keeping Alberta head and shoulders above the other provinces. Other provinces can't emulate that...unless there are hidden oil fields no one knows about.


BCM
said

ET.. As I recall, Ontario was given notice of what was coming our way, But the Premier chose to toss aside prudent advice and put together his own Liberal Plan and we are now seeing the effects of his decision.


Mimi
said

Basic economic policy. You cannot lower taxes and pay off the debt. Take those committments with a grain of salt. It is impossible to pay off debt if you cut taxes, taxes generate revenue which generates the surplus that allows for debt payments that are big enough to pay off some principle as opposed to just interest. Can't do both at the same time, not properly anyway. Flaherty said a few months ago that the surplus has shrunk from multiple billions down to a projected 1.7 billion at the end of this fiscal year. And he said that before the US economy got worse and before all the job cuts at Air Canada, GM, and before gas hit close to $1.50/litre. I doubt that projection will stand. So enlighten me, how is he going to pay off the debt?

It's all political bs. I'm also not a liberal, so don't give me that 'your a liberal' junk.

Hopefully things improve, but I don't think we've seen the worst.


Patricia
said

With Flaherty at the controls we will see more of the wicked abuse that the Mike Harris government dished out to Ontario. This means that the economy will falter more and I do not believe that there will be no tax cuts for now. Call them by any other name, but there will continue to be gifts to the rich supporters of the Tory government. Meanwhile, regular ordinary folks (which are most of us) will be even worse off than we are now. Just wait and watch it come to pass. It is happening all ready...and things really will become far worse if this Tory government is permitted to obtain a majority.


James from Vancouver
said

I am adding my opinion because so many of these posts seem slanted to support the Conservatives. The only reason we are not going into deep deficit this year is due to the short-term one-time gain of the sale of cell phone spectrum ($4.25B). The Conservatives implemented the 40-year mortgage when the housing industry was in a boom and now that there is a lull they are taking it away, two irresponsible and untimely decisions. The Income Trust decision, of course, is also a major flip-flop which resulted in billions of savings of Canadians vanishing. Now, in times of an economic lull, the Conservatives have spent the surplus and have nothing to fall back upon. Say what you will about a carbon tax, but the one implemented in BC, as a commuter, I barely feel and in fact support. It has given me a modest income tax cut on my paycheque. Dion's plan is better than no-plan Harper and so is his team (government in waiting). If they can present a united front through to the end of the next election campaign they will give Harper a run for his money. At the same time as holding him accountable for all of his shortfalls and misdeeds. In my opinion of course.


bobyourunkle
said

We're doing way better as a whole country than we ever did. 15yrs ago we followed the leader,"If Ontario was doing good it meant the country was doing good", who cared about the rest of canada. We are one country made of 10 provinces and 3 Territories and the country as a "whole" is doing very well. There are more jobs, social activity, we have "free medical", and we still live in a safe and democratic country. Who cares if we pay $10 or $100 or more in taxes a year, if it makes us one of the best countries in the world to live in. If your not happy with taxes go live in another country and see how you like it.


larry from waterloo
said

manufacturing jobs have been disappearing in ontario and quebec since the late 70's due to the ever increasing cheap off shore goods coming in to the country.it was only a mater of time the big three automakers of north-america were going to be hit hard, with the amount of foreign cars imported here. we were saying shop canadian then and now it's starting again. i've been through 3 plant closing in my 30 years of working in manufacturing, you just pick up and move on,no government helped back then and they wont help now. stop whinning people.


Raj
said

For a gov't that is essentially the father of taxes (GST), they sure are handling our economy poorly. I'd have expected more from a tax-loving lot.


Kevin in Toronto
said

I don't know why people think that Flaherty did such a poor job in Ontario as finance minister. Before the PC lost the election, they stated there was no deficit. The Liberals came in and claimed that they (PC) were hiding a huge multi-billion dollar deficit. Within 2 years the Liberals have a multi-billion dollar surplus? Admittedly, the Liberal's did impose a new health "premium" that all Ontarians still pay.


Sharon Trusty
said

In a short time Mr. Flaherty and his cronies have taken the Federal coffers from a surplus position to a deficit. Way to go!

Just what are they going to use to help get us out of the pickle we're in now (let alone what's coming). Shame.


A Real IT Manager From Calgary
said

Ever since the dollar went higher, Ontario manufacturers have been complaining about it. It appears that Ontario needs an artificially low dollar in the 60 cent range in order to compete. What does that tell you? Inefficient productivity! Studies have shown Canadian productivity to be lower than the US.

Alberta went through some pains in the early 90's when we tightened our belts with cutbacks so maybe it's time for Ontario to fix their productivity inefficiency once and for all instead of crying the blues about the Canadian dollar and then blaming Alberta for their woes and the Harper government for the problems they've created with their obsolete manufacturing productivity.


Jack in BC
said

I live in Kelowna,BC but I grew up in Ontario and the majority of my family lives there. None of them work in the manufacturing industry, which is lucky.

Here in Kelowna, a lot of people work in Alberta or in Northen BC and live here 1 week a month. Plus, lots of people from Alberta buy property here which has doubled house prices in the last 4 years. But there are a lot of jobs in tourism (which hasn't been hurt by the dollar because our tourists are from Vancouver or Alberta) and in the high tech sector. There are even manufacturing jobs here; though one place moved to Ontario last year because of the shortage of skilled labour.

Anyway, my point is not everyone in the West relies on natural resources to make there money but that money has overflowed to help the West overall. No political party can claim that this was their success.

However, adding any taxes, revenue neutral or not (which I don't believe is entirely possible), doesn't make sense when the market (remember good ol' supply & demand) has already made people start changing their behaviours (just look at truck sales). So I will vote for the Conservatives again because I believe in basic economics and I don't think a small deficit means they have lost control when they'll still be in surplus at the end of the year.

FYI, in Europe, many countries tax your savings so they take away the incentive to build a safety net. I guess they figure their high taxes allow for a great government safety net...but I'd prefer to make it on my own.


Andrew
said

As long as Canada continues to have a minority government, either conservative or liberal, all checks will be ballanced. It when we get a majority that we should worry about the economy. Majority is another word for dictatorship, deficit and downright ripping off Canadians.


Red X
said

Evening everybody. After the Conservative caucas meeting, Flaherty offers no major tax cuts OR spending initiatives.

The status quo won't help when our largest trading partner is in decline for the next 12 - 24 months based on the recent news...

As was reported, this Conservative minority has been spending the most ever -(including polling)at least the Liberals built in the $3 billion contingency. We'll be dangerously close to Deficit now that Big Oil isn't gouging drivers as much. The broadband sale will yield $425 million this fiscal year though.


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