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Darcy Wintonyk, ctvbc.ca

Date: Thu. Jul. 31 2008 6:31 PM ET

B.C.'s Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon says it's incredible no one was hurt during a massive rock slide 50 kilometres north of Vancouver.

At least 16,000 cubic metres of debris came crashing down on the road near Porteau Cove just before midnight Tuesday, burying both lanes of traffic in truck-sized boulders and covering a parallel railway system in both directions.

It was a close call for a shuttle bus driving through the area at the time of the slide. The passenger and driver escaped injury, even though the bus was showered with boulders, smashing most of the windows.

Transportation officials toured the area by helicopter Wednesday afternoon. They say major stabilization, bolting and blasting must be completed before the roadway is reopened.

Highway 99 is closed from the Furry Creek Bridge to Horseshoe Bay.

Geotechnical engineers spent most of Wednesday assessing the stability of the area.

Falcon suggests the highway could be closed for up to five days.

Rail lines are also affected. Rock piles have spilled onto CN Rail tracks that run parallel to the highway, preventing its two freights from completing their daily trip from Prince George to North Vancouver.

A spokesperson for CN Rail says they are looking into rerouting freight traffic through Kamloops and Boston Bar.

The Sea to Sky Highway is currently undergoing a $775 million upgrade for the 2010 Olympic Games.

The route is being improved to ensure it can handle all the traffic expected between Vancouver and Whistler during the 2010 Olympics, but critics fear the work is not enough to guarantee the highway will remain open during the entirety of the event.

B.C.'s premier, Gordon Campbell, says officials are dealing with the slide as quickly as possible but it's not in a construction zone.

"This is an area that was not touched by the improvements that we're making," Campbell said. "But we will be doing an inventory of the entire road to make sure that it is safe.

Officials from the Transportation Ministry say the slide comes as a surprise to geotechnical officials. The area had experienced previous slides but it was not identified as an area prone to something major.

This weekend, traffic jams clogged the Sea to Sky from Horseshoe Bay to Pemberton, as more than 40,000 music fans attended the inaugural Pemberton Festival.

The indefinite closure of the winding and picturesque road leaves just one way out of the upper Howe Sound, Whistler and Pemberton areas.

Drivers have been advised to find alternate routes.

"The only route out would be through the Duffy Lake, and around, down through the lower Interior which would take seven to eight hours to get to Vancouver," said Ritchie.

Local helicopter companies are offering charter flights between Vancouver and Whistler or Squamish for travellers who can't wait for the Sea to Sky to re-open.

Tuesday's slide is only the latest incident that raises questions about safety on this key transportation artery. More than 14 major slides on the Sea to Sky have claimed at least 12 lives in the past century.

A 1991 slide near Lion's Bay, B.C., closed the highway for 12 days.

Smaller slides are common, causing major headaches for commuters and area residents. The road's windy curves and two-lane sections are blamed for many of the more than 800 accidents in the last five years alone.

The winding mountain highway was seen by some as the Achilles heel during the 2010 Olympic bid, drawing protests from local residents, who are opposed to highway expansion.

The International Olympic Committee said the road to Whistler was their prime concern for Vancouver's 2010 bid until B.C.'s provincial government committed $600 million for road improvements.

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Pacifica
said

Alternate routes?????

A helicopter, maybe?

They better hope this doesn't happen during the Olympics!!


13-Year Sea to Sky Resident
said

WHAT alternate route???


doug pape
said

wow that 1700 by 1700 by 1700 metres of debris in total


Albert
said

I like the comment "Drivers have been advised to find alternate routes." Well, there are no alternate routes! Unless you consider a 6 hour drive around through the Fraser Canyon to Lytton and then back down. That sea to sky highway looks like lots of big slides waiting to happen. I doubt it will even be finished for the Olympics.


Jess D
said

Great! Just what alternate routes are drivers meant to take that doesn't involve a 7 hour car journey?


bob
said

hmmm, alternate route....uhhh i dont think there is one?


Brad
said

Alternate routes - which one?.....Maybe a boat, train or mountain goat. Maybe try going about 10-12 hours out of your way around and through Cache Creek and over the mountains. If this had happened 3 or 4 days ago during the music festival there might be casualties, but there would be MANY stranded people. Now multiply that by about 10X and you get an idea of what the Olympics will be like. Good luck if this happenes during the Games.


Colleen
said

Drivers are advised to find alternate routes? Like what? Fly? Charter a boat? Take the Coquihalla to the Duffy Lake (about 10 hours to make a 1 hour trip)? People have been trying to find an alternate route up the sea to sky corridor for many years, and there isn't one that can be developed without major environmental damage. So, I'd be very impressed if any drivers manage to invent alternate routes during the road closure.


MississaugaOnt
said

Well, I'm headed to Whistler tomorrow. What are the alternate routes (even with a seven hour drive)?




DKJackowski
said

"doug pape
wow that 1700 by 1700 by 1700 metres of debris in total"

Actually, it's Cubic meters, so it's only 25x25x25 meters of rock.

1700x1700x1700
=4.9B cubic meters

25.2x25.2x25.2
=16003 cubic meters


math checker
said

Sorry Doug Pape... that would be 50m x 50m x6m = 15000m^3(cubic metres).

Your calculation would be 4,913,000,000m^3!


Jx
said

Well at least I get a few extra days off, its not as if I'm gona drive 10 to 12 hours to get to work in West Van from Squamish.


NP
said

Love the comment about the helicopter!!!

They had better have a few helicopters available for the Olympics and hope nobody is killed because of falling boulders!



Jesse
said

Alternate route...

HARRISON Forestry Service Road... if you have a truck / jeep / or even an subaru out back you can do it really fast.


Adam
said

"This is the 3rd slide on the highway during construction. Are the engineers checking their work after drilling and blasting?"

Actually the slide is on a section of the highway that isn't being touched by constructors. There is no contract yet to change anything for the very same reason that the slpoe gave out... it's too unstable.


it'll all be okay
said

MississaugaOnt - there most likely will be boats and stuff you can charter, they'll figure it out. i'd keep checking the news and maybe ferries website.



Tara
said

You ever hear about maybe trying to get us a ferries out here,, in case incidents like this occur,, like come on ,, people have to live. Our lives cant just stop because of this , it's insane. Get with the program. I think the highway is in the worst shape I have ever seen it, I have lived in Squamish all my life, it's not going to be ready, let's face it,,IT WAS A BAD IDEA!


Self Sufficient
said

See Craigslist for ride share until the rock slide has been cleared.


trapped
said

another alternate route is to drive the dirt road behind harrison hot springs... it goes down lilloet lake to pemberton...


Leslie
said

I live in Lions Bay and this section is a COMPLETED section of the highway...this is an indication that the ongoing blasting is loosening rock intended to stay in place... So when driving down this beautiful highway...(literelly) be careful of falling rock!


ONT
said

Alternate routes - that is what a GPS is for!


FSJ Northerner
said

To heck with the environment. Just build that proposed cutoff road over the top between Coquitlam and Squamish. Enough is enough.

Imagine the excitement if this slide happened during the Olympics.


kadesh
said

Math Checker, that really puts 16 thousand cubic metres of debris into a visual, doesn't it! 50mx50m is roughly half a soccer field, and at that, 6 metres deep (3 building stories). Looks like the sea-to-sky crew will be claiming a little overtime pay today.


AH
said

I have worked in similar mountain roads conditions before and this is so bad for both the residents and the contractor. I hope no one was injured in this rockslide as the news didn't mention that. at the end an intensive geotechnical investigation need to be done quickly to assess the whole area. In our work before in similar conditions sometimes we used to trigger such kind of slides to make sure that all unstable areas are removed, this of course will be done after informing everyone in the area and take the necessary precautions.


Perimeter Driver
said

The rock slide itself is on the 2 lane section that curves from Furry Creek to the entrance of Porteau Cove. They havent touched or done any work to this section during construction becuase of the train tracks only a few feet away. They did do some work a few hundred feet up by the cove entrance. This might be the result of just rock loosened by some blasting and it finally came loose. Those rocks along that one section all slope to the ocean..it was only matter of time before something let loose. Has anyone checked if there was earthquake activity in the area lately? I cant get the Canadian earthquake site to open.


Brian
said

alternate route: take the helicopter with HeliJet. very pricey. I checked the web and if you must be in Whistler from YVR it is about $2000 ONE WAY for party of four...otherwise it's long drive in the car as others have mentioned. Even the Whistler Mountaineer train is affected as the rail line runs parallel to the highway. Eighteen months to go til 2010!!!


rose
said

I feel for those who choose to live in that area, but they know that rock slides are common in the area and they live with the inconvenience it creates. As for the "alternate route", it is a gorgeous drive, and maybe those who choose to use it will spread some of the tourist dollars into some smaller towns along the way! Hope, Cache Creek, Lillooet,Pemberton,etc. If you are not in a hurry maybe take a couple of days even and discover more of BC.
Sometimes we should look at the silver lining!! instead of just grumbling. Yes the "alternate route" is a long drive but it still is an alternate route, just not a quick one!


Mike
said

Whatever, this has happened before and will happen again. I knew of this risk when I moved up here. for those who can't tolerate a day or two off work go down to the yacht club and pay someone to run you to Van and get a hotel. This is not a huge natural disaster so I think people should stop commenting like it is. This is an inconvenience at best. C'mon people we are better than this complaining arent we? If it gets to be more than one or two days there is a ferry terminal in the cove and one in Darrel bay; not a big deal


Adam
said

"I live in Lions Bay and this section is a COMPLETED section of the highway"

Again, not true. There is no work being done on this section of the highway. It was left out of the contract.


raskle
said

Math correction
25.2 by 25.2 by 25.2 metres

=

16000 meters cubed






Amy
said

Try taking a water taxi! That is if you need to get to vancouver or squamish.


Flat Lander by Choice
said

"Why is this constantly happening?" Uh...have you ever looked UP while going through the mountains? There are lots more rocks waiting to come down-if memory serves, it's called GRAVITY and THE COURSE OF NATURE. I'm sure it's frustrating for ppl living in the area and I hope they clear it soon for those affected. Can we say thank goodness no one was hurt?


a4kidmom
said

oh my goodness

people are being inconvenience for about a day. ever read the headlines about street bombers killing dozens of people, busses exploding, walking miles for pathetically donated supplies?

just settle in and make the best of it. it didn't happen during pemberton festival, in winter it's called being snowed-in, and don't you usually call in sick a day here or there, just to have a day off?


Bobbi
said

anybody think this might be related to the earthquake they had in california yesterday?


Mighty Mountains
said

Does anyone else remember the car that crushed in this same spot about 15-20 years ago. I have thought about that every time driving through that area over the past 15 years living in the sea to sky corridore.


Iain
said

that is an alternate route and you should feel lucky that there is one. If not you would rather not drive that way you can charter a helicopter or even a float plane to get to vancouver. So because this alternate route is 6-7 hours around, you expect and would like us to build ANOTHER highway aroundso it doesnt take as long. grow up accidents happen, its the sea to sky highway, its not like its the coquihalla hwy, you know hwy one thats closed all the time in the winter too.


Steve
said

Did the slide block the rail line as well?
If not, they could put on passenger service to Squamish besides the steam locomotive excursion service.


Richard
said

...and this happened during the dry weather no less. Wait till it starts pouring down rain come next November and the ground gets good and soft.

Ferries? Forget it... anyway there is no suitable docking infrastructure.

That proposed alternate route through the watershed is the only solution.




Amanda
said

It sounds to me as though most of you are very negative and pessimistic people, who think that something is "owed" to you because this happened. It is your choice to live in the area and you should understand that when altering nature on such a large scale, these types of things may happen. It is easy to point blame when you don't have all the information. You comment as though someone meant for this to happen, when something such as a minor earthquake may have triggered the slide. I have read articles on this area being naturally unstable. You can't control nature, so lighten up and look at the more important issue - no one was killed and crews are doing their best to open this highway as soon as possible!!!


mossman
said

People, you need to understand that this is a road that is built on a mountain. It is very expensive to build and there are always risks associated with slope stability. It is also nearly impossible to predict when a slope may fail. It can only be built to the best of our current knowledge and whatever happens after that will happen and be dealt with accordingly. The road will be cleaned up in a day or two then you all can forget about it and move on with your lives.


Hal
said

If you wanna take a helicopter, you'll need to win the lottery first. $600. a head according to the Helijet guy on the radio this morning.
This is what, the second or third "event" that has closed down a major lower mainland highway this month? Sheesh!


Concerned
said

In response to Adam... Actually the slide is on a section of the highway that isn't being touched by constructors. There is no contract yet to change anything for the very same reason that the slope gave out... it's too unstable...

Maybe this would be a good time to put this portion of work into contract now. Close down the hwy, complete the work, and make it safe for everyone.
The alternative of waiting for nature to take care of itself looks risky.


Andrea
said

We looked into a water taxi - just from Lions Bay to Squamish (intending to take a cab from there to Whistler) The WATER TAXI PRICE WAS $600.00!!!!


Tim
said

We were going to settle permanently in in Whistler but changed to Vancouver due to the highway. We know from Google maps the alternate is 600 kms over mostly over terrible roads, with one stretch so bad there are warnings in the summer and so never mind the winter. They had the option for less than $775 million or over $13 million per mile to build an alternate inland route keeping the Sea to Sky as a scenic backup?, but that suggestion was ignored. It had to be political. In the end, Whistler still has one highway, which is very commonly closed for 10 hours or days for fatal accidents or mud slides. And of course it will all fall of the cliff into the ocean during the next earth quake. So, given 6 years to fix, they should have had standards where only 15% (and so 17 kms) could be under construction at any one time with a maximum total 20 minute delay compared to pre-construction. The standards are 45 minutes of a delay for 6 years. according to Tourism Whistler. But as you know, “they”, whoever, “they” are, do not care and waive the “it is all for the Olympics flag”. They know it might cost them money, but the public's time in delays is free.


Andrea
said

Whistler Air has a special for sea-to-sky residents (Pemberton, Whistler, Squamish) so a one-way float plane ride is $99.00 - it only leaves twice a day though....


Sara Jones
said

Is there no way BC Ferries could charter a boat from Horseshoe Bay to Squamish Dock or any other jetty north of Porteau which would suit the role on role off type of boat??? This road closure may last a few days. The alternative is Hope Lilloett Pemberton Whistler Squamish a 6 -7 hr drive, its the only other way.


happytobehome
said

For anybody returning from Pemberton in the past 3 days -- just imagine if this happened Sunday or Monday?


Alastair
said

I travel the road every week and the road construction crews are doing an amazing job making the highway far better and safer than it has ever been, thumbs up to them.
The geological rock structure is highly fractured and shaley in a lot of areas and naturally prone to slides. There have been massive slides like this in the past on the highway closing it and they have always done a great job clearing it. We are very fortunate that there is already the machinery and trucks working on the new highway who are able to clear the debris immediately after the geotech guys give the OK. We ought to also be aware that those same crews building the highway are risking their very lives every day, and especially doing this clearing work over the next few days.
And anyone who is thinking they can take a non existant ferry, well the old ferry dock is just beyond the rockslide by 500 meters.



Steve
said

For all those talking about the construction not being completed on time or the road closures due to slides, have you ever seen a project of this scale before?

Peter Kiewit and Sons have done an amazing job thus far. There have hardly ever been closures on the road, construction is ahead of schedule, and the finished sections are a dream to drive on.

So long as the finished product is close to the projected cost (can't imagine with the cost of crude rising enormously since the project was bid on) I'd be very happy.

I've made this trip about two times per week, for the last six months or so, and have been very impressed with them. Take a look at some of the local jobs around the Lower Mainland and ask yourself what's taking them so long.


Neil Knelsen
said

Lets learn to deal with it. Nature happens, for those who think that they should be protected from every possible event and that life should happen on a pre-programmed schedule should hide in their basements. If this is all that we have to worry about we should consider ourselves lucky. Look at the rest of the world as a guide. We are so lucky to live in such a stable country with an infrastructure second to none. Neil


Canuck in WA state.
said

2 main comments:

The alternate route - as an ex-MOTH engineer, I can tell you that route has lots of challenges as well, and would take 4-5 years and 2-3$ Billion at least. Once built it would have tons of worries like ...oh thats right, rock slides.

Rock slides are perfectly natural. Stopping them is working against nature, costly and dangerous. Anyone who knows anything about Geology knows that they are going to happen, its like earthquakes, its just a matter of when.

I loved hearing a critic on CKNW saying that this is the governments fault, and that they MUST secure a safe route for the Olympics. Sorry, guys, its a lottery as to whether there will be a slide.


Bill Fanagan
said

people who live at either end of this highway, in vancouver or whistler and who use it regularly know that there are occasions when the force of nature will cause disruption to travel plans.
I am intriged that this slide happened in a section that has not been touched by the construction work.
The rains yesterday may have had some effect but the construction may not.
I am disappointed to read all the grips. In a mountainous area there are always going to be mishaps. many sound like people who live near an airport and then complain about the noise. So lets accept that slide do occure in mountain areas, hope they don't find any victims under the slide and get on with the restoration.
As for tha Olympics in 2010, I am betting we will be the toast of the world and will have fantastic infrastructure after it is all done. Hwy 99 will be one of the worlds most scenic drives.
However, I do question why we had to have the Olympics to get necessary built. infrastracture


Janis
said

Some of you people are very stupid...

NO alternate routes?

Duffy Lake Road??

idiots?? yes.


Lesley
said

It might just be a coincidense - but it seems to me that a few years back we had a slide in the Squamish area that was a few days after Los Angelos had a quake. San Diego just had a 5.8 a few days ago and now we have had a slide (that is not highway upgrade related). Makes me wonder????


John Doe
said

the slide is about 10-15m high, and approx 50-100m wide (uncertian as we didnt get too close). it covers the entire highway and the rail tracks down to the water. many rocks are larger than a Fire truck. There was also steam/smoke/dust visible long after the rubble came to a rest, and a smell of fuel coming from the debris.


Wendy
said

Isn't there a train that runs from the Vancouver area up to Whistler?


Gary - Calgary
said

Come On!

It's a rural highway built through nature's rugged terrain. Learn to respect those dangers and drive appropriately. And when it dumps on you with slides like this, suck it up and take it. If you don't like it, find other places to go or live and stay off the highway.

I've been stuck in a lineup for 12 hours once waiting to get through Three Valley Gap. There was a snow slide along the lake. I turned around and 'discovered' Sicamous while I waited.

Take life in stride with what it throws at you.


Kevin
said

Great comments Neil, Steve and Alistair. I live in Lions Bay and drive the road daily and spend a lot of my free time in the Sea to Sky corridor (Horseshoe Bay to Pemberton). Let's get one thing clear, it is a mountain road, so slides are going to happen. When they do they are cleared quickly with a minimum of delay. As for the construction, it is AHEAD of schedule and UNDER budget. Keiwit have been managing the project extremely well throughout the process. And as others have said, this slide occured where there is no construction. As for the alternate routes (yes there are two), the Duffy Lake road to Lillooet and then back down to Vancouver is NOT a horror show (Tim, I have driven it many times in the dead of winter) and the old Harrison FSR which I have done in a Chevy Cavalier. Ten hours for the Duffy Lake to Lillooet and back to Vancouver? Are you serious? At most it is six or seven hours of some of the most spectacular scenery in BC. So come on people stop your whining and deal with it. No one died and you all that has happened to you is that you have to deal with a little inconvenience - that's it.


Wendy
said

Go live in Darfur for a day or two and you'll know what inconvenience is. Quit complaining, snuggle down with a good book and wait this out. This is Mother Nature telling you to slow down a bit


Shayan
said

Dude it's 25 x 25 x 25 meters. 1700 x 1700 x 1700 is the whole mountain!


Mel
said

Southwestern British Columbia - Earthquakes



Recent News

2008-07-29: This is a note to say the rockfall on the Sea-to-Sky Highway around 11pm PDT was not caused by seismic activity in the region, nor was it triggered by the earthquake in California.
2008-07-29: A magnitude 5.4 earthquake occurred near Los Angeles, California. There are no immediate reports of damage or injury. More details on the earthquake are available at the United States Geological Survey






K Park
said

For all trying to get to Whistler or Squamish try Squamish Water Taxi from/to Horseshoe bay. I think they are leaving every 2 hrs. First come first served. I believe it cost approx $50 per person.



Bill Alsip
said

I love all these comments. I lived in Squamish 1986 to 2003 and moved to Prince George to avoid olympic mess and over-development in Sea to Sky. My now defunct employer MacMillan Bloedel flew me by helicopter to some of my meetings in the 1991 slide and that lasted more than a week. Articles in the Squamish paper at the time also recollected a huge slide at the identical site of current slide that happened in 1950's shortly after the initial highway construction. Thaw freeze cycles mostly cause these things but also remember that subdivision development is occurring directly above (Furry Creek Drive on Google Earth) the slide in Furry Creek with lots of blasting. The whole problem could have been avoided with an alternate highway along the Indian River where there is already a logging road and power line to head of Indian Arm. The government looked at this but the rock blasting along Eastern shore of Indian Arm was extensive. This would have relieved Lions Gate bridge (and downtown Vancouver)of most Whistler traffic but these secondary benefits were not considered.


richard
said

This highway "sea to sky" is, and will be the weak link for the upcoming olympics, and beyond. You would think the highway engineers would have figured this out years ago..........they have plenty of experience with the Hope rock slide issues years ago, which occassionly shut down the Trans Canada ! Once again, we refuse to learn from our past mistakes, and continue to think we can blast rock, destroy our landscape, and everything will be okay! Well it's not, and considering the fault lines, and fragile area, we may have to rename this stretch of man's destruction "sea to sea"!


Sigfrido Gonzalez
said

Hey Albert, stop whining. You should know that during construction or upgradings things always happen. Think that many people in the world has to walk many miles just to get water.
If you want to live in an exclusive place like Whistler there is a price to pay. Just shout-up drive the alternate routes or stay home....Okay Albert?


Adam
said

"Maybe this would be a good time to put this portion of work into contract now."

I agree, but that portion of the highway would've added tens of millions of dollars to the job, and the government/taxpayers are trying to spend as little as possible on the olymipic improvements.


Dean In Hamilton
said

I just moved from Whistler last month back to Ontario. I have spent over 74 hours in two years, at a stand still, waiting for slides or accidents to be dealt with. It is a horrible highway and the improvements will only make it faster, and more dangerous. Driving on my 6 lanes of 407 last night, I couldn't help but think how lucky I was.


Gary Barber
said

There are actually two routes you can take to get out. The first one is the Duffy lake road and around through the fraser canyon and the second is down through Lilliott lake to the top of harrison lake and down through there. This second can be done by a high clearence vehicle with four wheel drive. I know since I take in the summer to go to Mission.


steve t
said

why dont we fly in a f-14 and bomb the over hang out, then push the rock into the ocean and call it done !!.


George
said

Please try to be more positive; Mother Nature has many surprises for us! I feel that we should be glad and celibrate that nobody was hurt! This slide might not happen on this stretch if P.Kiewit had already improved it; so far it was not touched by a construction improvement so this strech is quite dangerous. Please read stories by rose, Mike, Amanda and Alastar and count our blessings!


Mike Walchuk
said

Doug,

16,000 cubic meters would be like a 25m20cm high X 25m20cm wide X 25m20cm deep block of rock crumbled & on the road. {25m20cm = 82.7 feet} (aprox)



Ed
said

I commute daily on this highway. I have been inconvenienced a few times by slides and accidents. Whenever that happens, I always hope there are no injuries or fatalities. On the occasions they are, it puts my sleight inconvenience in perspective. As mentioned Kiewet and Sons are doing an impressive job and the delays are not long. The highway is obviously going to be much better to drive in the near future, they will get it finished on time and slides will continue to happen. We live on a rock fault in this area and slides are inevitable. Mountains tend to fall down over time and that is an inescapable fact. Having lived here since 1975, I can say I've seen most types of events occur on this highway. It's not that tough to drive, it's the drivers who are too tough to learn how to drive it that is the real problem. As for the Duffy route, it's not nearly as bad as a previous writer was saying. I just went over it a week ago and it's not super smooth, but it's scenic and very travelable. Anyway, be thankful for what we have and let's hope noone is found under the rubble once it's cleared up.


Yeti
said

We take so much for granted. In eastern BC we whine and complain if an avalance temporarily closes the highway between Banff and Radium, completely overlooking the fact that this is some of the most inhospitable, unforgiving terrain in the world, and that we have a highway at all is a technical marvel.

Yet we want to travel in a little over an hour what took David Thompson several months of exhausting work. How soon we forget how helpless and weak we would be were it not for diesel, hydraulics and dynamite.


Luke Tengs
said

There is one alternate route that I know of... take the Sea to sky (99) north to Lillooette, then take highway twelve south to Lytton. Turn right on the Trans Canada Highway (1)(south). Take that to hope, then you can take the Lougheed highway (7) west to stay on the north side of the Fraser, or continue on highway 1 west to get to Vancouver via the south side of the fraser. The entire route takes more than 6 hours, though, so pack food, and prepare to stay the night in a hotel in lytton or hope.


MikeN
said

I am thinking about driving through Hope and Lillooet to get to Whistler if anyone is interested in carpooling. I will be leaving later this afternoon or else tomorrow morning.


Beverly
said

Will they set up some small car ferries from Squamish-Vancouver, that is what they did in 1990 when they had that big slide, highway was closed for 5 days, I was stuck in Van for 5 days til I took a ferry up to Darryl Bay and by passed it. Hope they do, cause I have a flight to LAX on Saturday morning


luke tengs
said

there is an old ferry dock at porteau cove park that they could use if the slide was a bit further south...


highbrow val
said

this is not surprising to me..the slide...living in Squamish for over 30 years this is not an uncommon occuarance. We have learned to stay home when this happens.
I have lost friends due to rock slides in that area.
As far as the olympics is concerned ...it is to late to turn back...


squamish local
said

To everybody whining about the alternate route, grow up. Of course the alternate route is going to take longer (and yes, in this case it is much longer).

What do you expect, we should build parallel highways 10k apart to every location in the country so that nobody ever has to be inconvenienced in the event of natural occurrences such as rock or snow slides?

It's called nature, if you want to live near it or visit it, then you will have to accept the fact that it cannot always be controlled or predicted.


luke Tengs
said

They should try building a highway on the west side of howe sound to langdale. Then people could take the ferry from Horseshoe bay to langdale, then take the 'new highway' up to squamish. Then, if there is a slide on one route, we could take the other. It's expensive, but also a logical, fast, smart alternative. Ingenious hey? think about it.


J.V.B in Cape Breton
said

Marine Atlantic is getting a new ferry in the fall, would you like a loan of the Caribou. It could ply the waters of the lake during the games, as alternative route.


Henry John Peter
said

Richard wrote: "Ferries? Forget it... anyway there is no suitable docking infrastructure. "

Correction: As Mike has pointed out, there are ferry terminals at Darrel Bay & Porteau Cove. (There is also one at Horseshoe, of course, but it is not of relevance with respect to this particular rock slide).

Anyone considering using the forestry road as a shortcut alternate-route should know that there is a very rough section paralleling the northern end of Harrison Lake. Even with good tires & clearance, most people won't achieve any speed on that section.

Correction to Adam's misunderstanding: Lion's Bay was 4-laned years ago.

Contrary to common belief, there is an excellent valley in which to build a new route. However, Vancouver has highly unusual watershed management practices that mute the one excellent option. I guess they are worried that if the public could drive through there, they'd see all of the clearcuts that are the main cause of our turbid water! (I used to work in the watershed.) Clearcuts & oily logging machinery are allowed in our watershed! ...but keep the public out! Take a look at the satellite images of our watersheds on Google Maps. You might be surprised at the pillaging you're not supposed to know about in our "sacred, off-limits" watersheds -- (shhshh!! i didn't tell you!) I guess it was a lot easier for the watershed authorities to hide their blatant "conservation" double-standards before the internet! Even though it's sad, ya gotta laugh at how people conduct themselves when they are attempting to justify & camouflage their blatant double-standards. (Deny, deceive, deflect! It's a fun sport that earns a living!)

Yikes at doug pape's 1700m*1700m*1700m math! lol - that would be a whole mountain! (1700m is the height of the mountains in that area.)


Sam
said

This is going to screw up people's camping plans this long weekend - that's for sure!


Benny
said

Alternate your route it will sound like it will be couple of days before the road will reopen again. Oh well guess thats the way it is for now take the long route to your destination.


sandra
said

The duffy is open and in good shape, just takes long


Bluffs?
said

Well this just goes to show how much better a tunnel would have been instead of blasting through the ecologically important lands of the eagle ridge bluffs. Even if this wasn't in that specific area, a tunnel would be much safer than this road right now!


Jennifer Johnson
said

I live in Whistler and don't see this as the end of the world. There have been many times when the roads are closed and I can't get to my family home in Powell River so I wait and try again another time. It's sometimes frustrating and unfortunate but I choose to live in this amazing place and sometimes the road is closed so I better deal with it. They are doing what they can to fix it up and the Duffy Lake Road north of Whistler is absolutely gorgeous if a person has time to do that. I know Sea to Sky Air is doing their best to accomodate people as I was trying to book a scheduled flight to Powell River for the weekend only to be told that they have cancelled all scheduled flights to help out people with the road closures. I could get angry about my plans being all messed up but "nature bats last" I can control that. Noone was hurt and that section is going to get worked on to be made even safer. We should be grateful that it didn't happen after the Pemberton Music festival when there could have been 20 or 30 cars underneath the slide. I understand it's an inconvenience, but again, it's not the end of the world. I say good luck to you all and I hope it works out for you.


Irritated
said

To CTV:
Get your site sorted out guys! In the Related Stories box you list three headings suggesting that the highway has been re-opened. Only, these articles are years old, and about car crashes previous slides. Confusing and frustrating. Get it together!


Squamish residents since 1969
said

I suppose the next thing we'll start hearing is a cry for compensation (refer to downtown Vancouver business owners re: power outage)...please don't!!!
Also, try to remember the Olympics are over 500 days away. The people affected by this slide are the residents of the corridor and tourists in the area. Squamish, Whistler, Pemberton etc have all been here for years and years. We'll be here years and years after the Olympics. This area wasn't built solely to host the games! Neither was the road. Get off the Olympic subject. It has nothing to do with the slide. Not being able to get to work for the next few days; no deliveries of groceries; mail; etc...that's what is affected by this slide NOT the Olympics or the Pemberton Music Festival or really, even the tourists in the area. Take the Duffy and leave..quite simple. Does no one remember back to the late 1980's when the road was closed for almost 3 weeks!!


Doug Thomson
said

Hmmm ... it will be interesting to see if the government's response to this slide is similar to that expressed after the Highway 16 slide in May 2007. That slide closed off access to Prince Rupert, Kitimat and Terrace for over a week. According to the Minister, the peoples of the Northwest, are "hardy folk", and can manage such hardships. Are the residents of the Whistler region equally "hardy folk"???


J the M
said

Call in the army navy and airforce we have the rich don't tax us whiners from Vancouver that can't get to their second homes in Whistler.Spare no expense, we can just cut it from all the socialist welfare state spending. Over and out.


dee
said

Stop complaining hey we live in the mountains this kind of thing happens anywhere there are mountains!!!! No one was hurt be happy, if you have to make the longer drive do it and shut up!!
20 year resident of sea to sky


John
said

"Mighty Mountains
Does anyone else remember the car that crushed in this same spot about 15-20 years ago. I have thought about that every time driving through that area over the past 15 years living in the sea to sky corridore."

YES, I was there when this happened also. We were all trapped on the highway due to snow and a single boulder landed on 1 car and killed the daughter while pinning the father in the back of the car. The ambulance was stuck also trying to get to the scene. I will never forget this moment and whenever I drive this highway (27 years now) I always expect slides to occur and find myself looking up the hill often on rainy nights. Once I pulled over to sleep on the road and moments later I was woken up by the sound of cars idling beside me. 50m ahead the road was just wiped out by a slide.


neg
said

Relax. Years ago I was stranded in Whistler when one of the creeks washed out. We had a blast. Thankfully no one was hurt that we are aware of so just relax, put your feet up and wait until it's cleared. It really isn't the end of the world.


Canuck in WA state
said

additional comments:

There are at least 3 possible alternative routes. They are all very expensive, have enviromental consequences, and would impact either North Vancouver, West Vancouver or Coquitlam residents very seriously. They also would be subject to natural problems, but there would be an alternative road to use. HOWEVER, they do not go all the way to Whistler. And its not going to happen in time for the Olympics either way.


Lisa
said

Oh, I remember the time in the early 1990s when we were stuck as Whisterites. The Sea to Sky was closed due to a land slide, which I missed by 5 minutes. Access to the alternate route (Duffey Lake road) was blocked by Native protests. At the time we were glad that there was a brewery and a bakery up in Whistler to keep us going for those few weeks.


Mike Slater
said

Has anyone asked Mr. Campbell where 's the ferry? There is a ferry slip right there at Porteau Cove and one in Squamish. This should be an automatic. The road, even with the improvements, will always be at risk of a rock slide. There should be no excuse for a major route, on which so many lives depend on, be close for more than one day without alternatives in place.


Jim
said

Canuck in WA state wrote: "And its not going to happen in time for the Olympics either way."

Actually, they could have the Furry Creek-North Vancouver route paved and open in no time since there is ALREADY A WIDE ROAD THERE. The route does not have bluffs hanging over it. Also, the route doesn't climb very high. The route would be WAY cheaper, more practical, & safer than the option that was chosen. The decision we live with was 99.99% political and 0.01% practical.


Kristina
said

This is clearly the responsibility of the government and crews working close to this area. According to some of the workers on the highway crew, they had been blasting just near there only days ago. This is not a natural disaster or caused by water as the media is indicating. The mountain could care less about the olympics, the same as most of us. Call it Karma and be grateful that no one was hurt in this landslide.


Kristina
said

Perhaps BC Ferries can offer an alternative route from just south of this landslide to Squamish. The government should make this a free access trip as this would add extra unexpected expenses.


Robyn
said

Seriously people relax! This is a known risk for living in the middle of a mountain range. Naturally, no one is thrilled about the slide, but it's a fact of life for those of us living in the Sea to Sky corridor. The beauty and serenity of the area far outweighs the few days of inconvenience that we have to face. If you don't want to have to deal with rockslides..... move!
Regarding the Olympics.... the road will be fine. It is very drivable now and even if the construction isn't completes it's still an amazing improvment over this time 20 years ago! We all jsut have to keep our fingers crossed that something like this doesn't happen.... but the earth is very fluid, always moving and changing, and we just have to live with that.


Katie C
said

Its too bad That the helicopter companies in and around the whistler area have raised the prices by about $300.00-$400.00... That isn't fair for those people who need to get to the city to catch flights etc. However, Hotels in Whistler have been giving tourist discounted rates for their unexpected extra days... Thats whistler for ya!


mike
said

man made cause


Jessica
said

can we still get to the horseshoe bay ferry terminal if we're coming from vancouver??


Dirty Sanchez
said


Nice work in the cleanup I agree with not damaging the Salmon habitat. The little white bus as well good work, now people can get to the airport!


Squampton
said

Yes the rockslide is a inconvience but get over yourselves. These things happen, it's nature for god sakes. Just be thankful no one got killed and its only closed for maybe 5 days. A rock slide this huge hasnt happened in 17 years when the highway was closed for 12 days. I'm supposed to be going on a plane on Monday but im not whining because i know there are alternate routes to get to the airport and to my destination. Stop crying about how the alternate route of the duffy lake to vancouver from squamish or whistler or vice versa takes 7 hours. If you REALLY needed to get to those places it shouldnt be a problem. People these days are too concerned about getting places faster and sooner. In short, stop complaining and get over yourselves it will be cleared. In the mean time, those who can't get to work in vancouver from squamish: take a ritalin, chill out and spend time in one of the most beautiful places. Those who want to get to whistler: it'll still be there when the highway is reopened. Deal with it.


DARCY FERGUSON
said

People there is a way to fix the problem but the Government looks the other way. Why don't they look at making the road go down Lilloet Lake road and saving time blasting
,shutting the traffic down almost everynight. I know its only going to get worse. Highway 99 is a great project but they need a alternate and who know people down the lake could profit as thear
house goes up. You could have the suppliers with there big semmies
to take that route and it would be great, they don't have to go threw the trouble of having to wait in traffic lines,smooth sailing up
from Vancouver and much safer.
They have the hydro plant going up pretty soon. I know it would be good for the natives to finaly have a good road. Thankyou

This is how i think
only an idea
Hope i didn't make a mistake on spelling



SquamishResident
said

The Darryl Bay dock was built about 10 years ago, and is not currently in suitable working condition. Unless they can manage some minor fix-ups (assuming only minor fixes are needed) quickly, we will just have to deal with this. A slide this big DOESN'T happen very often considering the massive amounts of rock in the area. Normally slides are a minor inconvenience and are cleared within hours, not days. It's the nature of the area, and it's not something that is so rare and unexpected in the corridor. Live with it, deal with it, make what you can of it. Yes, it will be a major inconvenience, but complaining about it, and blaming construction crews isn't going to help. If you are so bent on getting through, take the long way around, see some things that you haven't bothered to see before. Employers will understand that it isn't your fault you can't get to work, people get it, there's nothing you can do, they're doing the best they can to figure out and set up alternate ways of getting people where they NEED to go. Frankly, most of you don't have an extreme need to be somewhere, the world will go on without you for a few days.


DAY
said

Have them build a big parking lot near both sides of the damage site. Get your buddy to park his car on one side and yours on the other. You share or car pool to the alternate cars and hope they can carve out a foot path for you as soon as possible. Once it is reopened keep doing this forever, drive less, share more, make friends!


SquamishResident
said

"Jessica
can we still get to the horseshoe bay ferry terminal if we're coming from vancouver??"


Yes you can.
They aren't turning traffic around until Horseshoe bay, unless they are a resident of Lions Bay and the surrounding area.


MadB
said

W00t.. Climbing here in Squamish will be good this weekend.. Means us locals wont have to fight for wall space with the Vancouver crowd..

so good things do happen.. :)




Jim Downey
said

by alternate routes, they mean exactly as everyone is whining about.....heli, float plane, or lytton/lillouet. Yes, its 7 hours hours, thats why is not just THE WAY.


Henry Lorteau
said

I wonder if the landslide has anything to with the earthquake in cali?i wouldn't be surrpised


daisy
said

i'm an olympic supporter and for sure we have to think about what's going to happen in 2010 BUT.....how about more news on how it is affecting LOCAL people right now...it's august long weekend and trips (whistler for myself) that were planned are kinda messed up. How about giving us advice on how to get around the rockslide? It would have been nice to see maps of alternate routes on your website for us LOCAL people.


kg
said

Hey DEAN from Hamilton!

I will buy an extra 4 Liter jug of milk and make a loaf of bread in my bread maker. Then I will bundle up on my couch with a good book and take in the amazing views of Mt. Currie from my window.
You can keep your six lanes to drive in.... Enjoy Hamilton!




Frances
said

People need to stop complaining about the slide! It's an inconvinience but this does not happen all the time. There will be nothing wrong for the olympics. This is not a common occurence. Take a water taxi, or fly out of the squamish airport. Just Relax.


kg
said

Living in Pemberton....

I will buy a jug'o milk and make a loaf of bread.
Then I will curl up on the couch with a good book while taking in my view of Mt. Currie. Those of you who are "thankful" to be on your six lane highways can keep 'em.


Save the Blue Bus!!!
said

A little bit North of where the slide occured, in Brittania Beach (the site of the BC Museum of mining) there is a little highway-side Cafe called Mountain Woman Cafe (also known as 'The blue bus'). They have really great burgers and Fish and chips. The Ministry of transportation want to shut them down because they want to widen the highway there, and the blue bus is in the way of the project.They have until september 1st to shut down, and there is a petition inside which they will present to the courts later in august. If you are driving along the sea to sky corridor, I would appreciate if you would lend them a hand by stopping by and signing their petition. It's the only 'real' restaurant in Britannia beach, and I want to be able to bring my children to the Blue bus to eat on our road trips up the Sea to Sky corridor. Do the residents of Britannia Beach and their loyal customers a favour by taking the 2 minute stop. Thanks


Ryan C
said

Why do they not just put on a bus service between Furry Creek and the top of Capilano Road, Via the forestry road past the water storage lakes. I know they do not want people driving it, but if they was to put busses on then they would be in control??????? only would take an hour to get to north vancouver!!!!


Fred F
said

The recent major rockslide along the Sea to Sky highway that occurred on July 29 2008 following appreciable rainfall represents yet another example of the residual risk to the public along one of BC's major transportation corridors due to BCMoT's minimum expenditures and piece-meal or "band-aid" approaches to addressing such key risks that exist not only along the Sea to Sky highway but other key corridors within the province.

The occurrence of this past rockslide demonstrates the failure and incompetence of BCMoT to fully and accurately evaluate the geotechnical hazards associated along highway sections with steep terrain that are routinely subjected to high precipitation (and have historically shown to be of high risk with past events) and adopt appropriate mitigation measures to safeguard the public from such incidents. BCMoT is very lucky that there was no loss of life on this past incident. The current upgrade of the Sea to Sky Highway with increased rockcuts and modifications can actually be expected to increase the occurrence of such events due to the minimum expenditures being implemented and remaining high hazards sections not being adequately addressed. There remain other high risk areas similar to that which recently slid down that may also do the same when these areas become subjected to future high precipitation events.

By the very nature of our beautiful mountainous terrain, BC has many transportation corridors (Fraser and Kicking Horse Canyons, Salmo-Creston and Sea to Sky Highways) that are subject to such high risks from rockslides, rockfalls and avalanches, that can not be predicted or prevented. However, in countries within similar mountainous terrain like Switzerland and Austria, these high risk transportation corridors have been adequately addressed to reduce the risk to the public to a tolerable level by local transportation authorities with safety structures such as viaducts, rocksheds and tunnels that have protected the public.

When is Premier Gordon Campbell and BCMoT going to do the right thing and adopt a safe practice and allocate appropriate expenditures to protect the public from such unnecessary risks when using our transportation corridors ? OR is the government going to sit back and wait for a multiple fataility event to occur before action is taken ?




tomislavj
said

'...mountain goat ...'

Brad, that was priceless...

Still laughing over that one ...


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