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Date: Sun. Jul. 20 2008 9:32 PM ET

Despite the significant gains Canadian troops have achieved in Afghanistan, Gen. Walter Natynczyk admitted Sunday the country's overall situation is worsening.

Canada's top soldier told CTV's Question Period that insurgent attacks have increased year over year, specifically in some parts of the country.

"You have a worsening security situation, especially localized in three areas -- the Kabul area, in the Regional Command East, where the Americans are, and in the south where we are with the British forces and the Dutch," he said.

The statement appeared to backtrack from what Natynczyk said earlier this month after he completed his first visit to Afghanistan as the Chief of Defence Staff.

On a five-day visit to the region, Natynczyk put a positive spin on security issues in the war-torn country, which has seen a resurgence of Taliban activity. Natynczyk, who became the country's top soldier on July 2, had said the increased violence is negligible.

"We're generally along the same lines as we have been the past few years,'' Natynczyk said at a news conference on July 13 at Kandahar Airfield. "Looking at the statistics, we're just a slight notch -- indeed an insignificant notch -- above where we were last year.''

On Sunday, Natynczyk agreed with statistics presented on Question Period that suggested year-to-year violence was up 34 per cent.

"The statistics you cite are absolutely true," he said.

"On the other hand, when I was in Kandahar, from a soldiers' perspective, what they see are localized, fragile signs of success."

He noted the Taliban "is throwing everything against" NATO troops and Afghan security forces in an effort to undermine the government ahead of next year's elections. Natynczyk reiterated the need for more NATO troops to help quell insurgent violence.

"In a counterinsurgency, it is troop intensive. It's not enough just to clear the Taliban out ... you need to have that security blanket to ensure that there is time for police and the army to have that capacity to address their own security," he said.

Natynczyk said that NATO troops have helped the country make significant improvements. He said Canadians have helped train police officers who are respected by the local population, and Afghan battalions have increasingly taken on roles to protect major regions of the country.

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F from Ottawa
said

NATO needs to step up if they want to see success in Afghanistan. Only a handful of NATO nations are putting themselves at risk. Either the other NATO allies take up some responsibilities or we will all fail in Afghanistan.


Neocon Warmonger
said

What I usually think of is the fact that over 3 million girls are in school there now, compare that to the number six or seven years ago......ZERO. Actual elected officials put in office by the citizens. We are not "forcing" democracy here, our type wouldn't work, and like any other struggling free nation you can't expect it to be like a switch you just turn on. Like any other force, when backed into a corner, insurgents fight a little harder. I still feel we are doing the right thing.

Back in the 90s when Desert Storm happened, the civilians were rejoicing and then everyone just pulled out, leaving the civilians who had supported the forces to twist in the wind at the hand of a dictator. I would hate to see that happen again...


G.J.M. CALGARY
said

FINALLY A REALISTIC VIEW OF THE SITUATION OVER THERE.. MAYBE THIS NEW COMMANDER WILL GET US OUT OF THIS CONFLICT.


Mo
said

This war is completely pointless. I think Canada has done its part for NATO and other members should replace Canada for the rest of this mission. Instead of wasting so much money for military, we could make our lives and economy better at home.


Mark
said

...and here again, the Germans, Italians, Spanish and many other 'Nato' forces hide behind their caveats to avoid any heavy lifting.

When this mission fails, it will be due to the failure of Nato and political worries of those who stayed behind-all due to a fear of inciting Muslim anger at home. Fundamentalist Islamist terrorists who do not hesitate to use suicide as a modern weapon against a weakened West will likely win the day.

How pathetic we have become.



Dan Dan
said

I don't think we're wasting our time and money over there at all.


Max
said

As someone who has long supported our collective "cause" in Afghanistan, this is somewhat discouraging.

However, the battle here is against more than just the Taliban. Any broader enemy so entrenched, so determined, and so resolute can be expected to fight hardest when its days begin to look numbered.

Furthermore, those we battle are completely cognizant of the fact that there is dissention here, in the U.S., and in other allied nations. They know that if they can drag this out long enough, their enemy may well succumb to its own internal political pressures and withdraw.

Well, we either stand for a "cause" and believe in what we're doing there or we retreat back to our own safe bastion of freedom and turn our back on those who don't have freedom and safety to enjoy.

Are we trying to make one part of the world a better, safer place? Yes.

Forget the U.S., George Bush, oil, etc. What does Canada stand for?! Are we committed to battling forces that routinely conspire to harm us on our own soil? I hope so.

Thanks to all our brave men and women in Afghanistan, Iraq (yes), and elsewhere.



Serviceman
said

G.J.M. CALGARY
- Our new CDS may have brought to light a new view on the situation in Afghanistan, but to call him out on pulling out would mean the deaths of our commrades would mean nothing. We need and will finish the course of this mission and we will be successful. But hey, our fore-fathers deaths in the previous wars have allowed you the freedom of speech that you enjoy today. Our soldiers of today are ensuring these rights for the future!!


bill
said

At last a person in leadership with integrity saying the truth...this war is not winable.
After hearing the lies and distortions for the last 2 years from the Harper Government and the former Canadian military head about how well Canada is doing in this god forsaken situation, it is heartening to hear some truth.
Afghanistan has never been conquered by foreign troops and it won't be conquered by foreign troops this time either.
It is time to wrap up this terrible situation for Canada before it worsens and brings Al Quaeda suicide bombers or worse to our own shores.


Doug BC
said

While I can see how many might feel we are wasting time and money there,I don't agree at all.And "Mo's" notion the our military is a waste of mone is simply unrealistic.
It is expensive now because of 40 years of neglect.There is a lot of catching up to bring our military into the 21st century.For a long time,Canada has been a freeloader on the world stage.We cannot expect other NATO countries to do all the dirty work for us,or we become the same as those NATO countries who are not doing their share in Afghanistan.
And,while I agree there is always room to spend the money in our own country,it's hard to deny there are others deserving of the liberties and freedoms we so aften take for granted.To refuse to help out where we can because we have other uses for the money,is simply immoral,self centred,and makes us all seem very greedy.
I wonder who would then be willing to help us in our hour of need,or why the should.


Carol in NB
said

To Mo...if you think that we are wasting time and money on the mission in Afghanistan, then think again. And if you think that 'our lives and economy' would be 'better at home', then you desperately need to rethink that statement. The freedoms and luxuries we have now will come to a screeching halt if we pull out, because, you mark my words...they will find their way over here..if they haven't already with their sleeper cells....and when they do strike, where will you be? Standing behind our soldiers demanding they protect you and your way of life? Get a grip man.


Allan Eizinas
said

Another 20 or so non-combatant Afghanistan civilians killed either as “collateral damage” or “accident”.

Another NATO “victory” and another 60 Afghanistan family members joining the Taliban in order to avenge the deaths of their innocent sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, sisters and brothers.

The Taliban Hydra grows.

Madness!


Mario - Rockland
said

I cannot understand for the life of me, how NATO with all of it's might is STILL involved in a war for 6 years and counting. Either beef up the forces by 50k and get it done or pack your stuff and get the heck out of there. I mean, COME ON!!! Enough already!!!!


Kim
said

We need to overrun the country with soldiers, go door to door, and root them out. NATO needs to step up and get serious.

All we do is drive around and wait for them to attack us.




Rene
said

I am certainly not a supporter of any war. War only serves to bring harm to everyone involved. There are no winners in war. Even after the Second World War, we may want to convince ourselves that there were winners and losers, but in the end there were none.

That being said, I firmly believe that we as a nation must choose what we want to stand for. I believe that Canada has always stood on the side of certain basic freedoms, even though as a nation we tend to abrogate those freedoms at home at times. However, let's not be so naive as to think that to achieve the freedoms we so cherish, we can do so in isolation from the rest of the world. And that is the main lesson to take back from WW2. Not that might will succeed, but rather that no man is an island unto him/herself.

If we as a nation accept our own freedoms, then we must by the very nature of who we are and what we stand for, accept that all humans are entitled to those same freedoms. Yes George W. Bush made the decision to go into Afghanistan and dragged the rest of the world into the conflict and the debate. But now that we are there, let's not do what the Americans and the Russians have done on previous occasions. Let's not leave the battlefield with a job half done. Otherwise as some previous posters have said, of what value is the sacrifice that we as a nation have made. Let's not politicize that sacrifice and change our directions strictly for the benefit of satisfaction of political belief. Let's all stand up as one, united as a nation, lead by our politicians, whether we agree with them or not (for we did vote them in) and finish what we have started.

As I said at the beginning of this post, I don't believe in war, conflict or bullying as a means to achieve an end, but I do believe in finishing what we started.





Em
said

"Mo"...this is not "war". Recall, we were requested by the Afghanistan gov't to assist Afghanistan in rebuilding and bringing stability to their country. We are doing this through defense, development and diplomacy. As part of NATO, Canada is indeed pulling its weight. As Doug BC states, "not helping out is immoral and selfish and who then would be willing to help us out in our hour of need" "Mp" needs to think more globally.


SB
said

I don't believe for a minute that winning this war is impossible. For the longest time I was against our troops being there.

However, getting to know a young woman from Afghanistan and the horrors she and her family experienced; I changed my thinking completely and now support NATO defeating the Taliban. Notice I said NATO. We need the full support of other NATO countries who are not helping in order to restore order to this country!!


Peter Seville
said

I hope this statement was cleared by the PMO. The truth could hurt the mission.


New Alliance
said

I would like to see NATO dissolved and a new alliance developed around those nations that actually will fight. Since it is mostly the English-speaking nations who have the political will and courage to stand up for freedom and democracy, we could call it simply the "Anglosphere Alliance."


j from ontario
said

I dont understand how alot of you can constantly bash the other NATO nations. People here in Canada got this idea that we are somehow pulling our weight plus some. We have only 2500 Troops in Afghanistan, A country of 32,000,000 people. We either need to put in more troops and more equipment or the war like alot of you said is a lost cause. The US has over 25,000 troops in the country. You are right NATO countries do need to step up, but so do we.


Neilpk
said

Like any other counter-insurgency operation throughout history, this is a quagmire. If the Americans had operated the proper intelligence in the first place, we might have been able to do something, but now it's a losing proposition. Get out now. Afghanistan always has swallowed foreign armies!


Why is recruitment down?
said

If this board is any indication, there's an awful lot of ardent, passionate flag waving vocal support for this mission in Canada, yet military recruitment is way down.

Why is this? Can someone please explain how this concept works?


b.c. CHRIS
said

To Rene who thinks that there were no winners in WW2, Just ask the survivors of the concentration camps if there were no winners or all the inhabitants of europe who were terrorized into submission.

Considering the fact that the taleban was created by Pakistan and they continue to find sanctuary there nato will never win until Pakistan is neutralized


proud conservative
said

I read this Bill and nowhere did I read that the war was unwinnable and we should pull out now. I also didn't realize we had only been there since Harper became Prime Minister.Wow I must not be reading between the lines. Let me read it again with a Liberal mindset and get back to you.


Gary
said

Only now he is able to speak honestly and frankly? Where the heck was he when it counted months ago..So who do you believe him then or now...I'm tired of getting my feed from these self-serving polictically appointed Generals when our blessed troops pay the ultimate price and the Generals sip their Champagne...Shame on them all!!


MHB
said

Almost every week, a number of Afghani civilians die because of NATO operations. Yesterday, NATO killed 9 Afghani policemen. The families of all those slain people, because of their traditions, vow revenge and they will likely join Taliban. This is why Taliban has an unlimited supply of volunteers and the Afghani government's position is weakening. This war will not be won because we already lost the battle for the hearts of the Afghani people!. Bring our troops home now and let the Americans continue their wars with their own soldiers not with ours!.


SRG
said

To "J from Ontario"
Canada
32 mil - 2500 soldiers
USA
350 mil - 25000 soldiers

When you look at our populations, it seems to me that the US needs to step up their troop commitment.


Lillian
said

I heard the Chief of Defence Staff on Question Period today say that the recruitment goals are being met. So I don't know where someone gets the idea that recruitment is down. We have to be so proud of the men and women who volunteer to help people around the world and also those of us here in Canada. To Proud Conservative-- I'm with you!


CFSupporter
said

Hey Mario!! I agree with you 100%. The only problem is where are these 50K troops going to come from?

In Canada, our entire military, from the
Generals and Admirals to the finance clerks is about 65K!

We are having a difficult time sustaining a force of 2,500 in Afghanistan as it is.

Many other NATO counties won't even engage in combat missions. They won't send more soldiers.

So Mario, hurry on down to the recruiting centre in downtown Ottawa and sign up for the army. Tell them to send you over to Afghanistan ASAP!!

Good luck buddy


Jim McB
said

As usual one of the more significant statements was ignored, it doesn't support the headline.

A couple of years ago tha ANA could not put a batallion in the field and now they are conducting operations with five. That to me would seem to be a significant increase in their abillity to tend to their own securitiy and to conduct command and control. The ANA is also taking significant loses that might have been NATO troops at another time. The General's words on the success of the mentoring program by Canadian troops were also missed in the report. I wonder why?


ryan
said

Actually recruitment for Canada's Armed Forces is up since this conflict began. where the problemis, the turn over rate of veterans who are leaving the forcesat a higher rate these days. Thanks to the Conservative government we have that is actually taking personal numbers seriously, last years goals were met, but the forces fully admit they will have to keep that effort up even stronger if there going to see there higher target numbers met this year. Of course we wouldnt be in this mess if Chretien had not totally gutted the military during his horrid time on office, we now have this pathetic short sighted and ignorant and poor excuse for a politician to thank, thank goodness the decade of darkness is behind us.


Andy
said

"9 Iranians convicted of adultery to be stoned to death"

This would be happening in Afghanistan about two minutes after we leave. That is why we are there. That is why we cannot leave.


GRIM
said

Bill

NATO is not in Afghanistan to conqueor the country. NATO and its member nations could not conceivably want Afghanistan as part of a greater empire. NATO is there to establish the rule of law and democracy while rooting out terrorists and repressive elements.


Kevin L
said

The troop surge in Iraq worked so let apply the same tactic to Afghanistan. If the US had not opened up a second front in Iraq Afghanistan would have a Star Bucks on every corner by now.


Get your stats right
said

SRG said:
To "J from Ontario"
Canada
32 mil - 2500 soldiers
USA
350 mil - 25000 soldiers

When you look at our populations, it seems to me that the US needs to step up their troop commitment.

Be careful of the stats you use. According to the CIA World Fact Book, the US population is estimated to be 303,824,646 as of July 2008. The same ref has the Canadian population as 33,212,696, also as of July 08.

Applying your argument to the real numbers means the US would be on par with Canada if they had 22870 troops deployed. Wait for it, the US is likely to soon have more troops in southern Afghanistan that the Brits, Dutch and Canada combined. Like another poster said, when you get down to the crunch, there are really only four nations the world can count on, Australia, Canada, the UK and the US. And of them, as always, it is the US that is willing to give the most so others in the world will be even just a little bit better off.

Several weeks ago a woman complained that Canada should be able to do more for its citizens around the world like the UK. Of course I doubt she realises that the British regular Army alone is approx 100,000. Compared to Canada with a regular Army of less that 25,000. That is four times the size from a population of less than twice.

SRG, I would suggest that if any of the Anglo nations needs to pull its socks up, it is Canada.




bobby
said

SRG says ~

"Canada
32 mil - 2500 soldiers
USA
350 mil - 25000 soldiers

When you look at our populations, it seems to me that the US needs to step up their troop commitment."

You need a refresher course in math!

Canada's population: 33 million

US: 330 million


CF Supporter
said

Recruiting problem?

We have no real complaint giving pro athletes tens of millions of dollars per year to play games.

Mind you, they are rough and tough games. Well some of them are.

However, for the young Canadians who play the real game, where death is very likely, we pay them $40K to $50K per year. That is a decent wage.

I guess it is more important to skate around and spit and to act like a free agent than to put your life on the line for people who desperately need our help to free them from the Taliban's opressive policies.

Canadians really like the notion that the world views us as a caring nation. Well we like to talk about it and pat ourselves on the back. But we can barlely meet our recruiting objectives.

In terms of recruiting, we are barley covering the number of retirements from the military each year.

The net gain is really marginal.

Not too many pro athletes signing up to wear our flag where it counts, eh?

Don't pull a groin fellas!!


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