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Date: Tue. Jul. 15 2008 5:46 PM ET

A U.S. soldier who fled to Canada because he refused to serve in Iraq has been deported, and now faces a possible court martial.

Robin Long crossed the border into Canada in 2005. Last October, he was arrested in Nelson, B.C., on a Canada-wide warrant.

He called military operations in Iraq "an illegal war of aggression."

On Monday, Federal Court of Canada Justice Anne Mactavish said Long did not provide enough convincing evidence that he will face irreparable harm if he's sent back to the United States.

She noted that the percentage of American military deserters prosecuted in the U.S. has increased since 2002. However, she said the vast majority were not prosecuted, let alone jailed for desertion.

Between 2002 and 2006, Mactavish said about 94 per cent of U.S. deserters only received "a less than honourable discharge from the military."

Long, 25, had argued that he would be "singled out for harsh treatment by the Americans because of the publicity associated with his case."

But the judge ruled that Long failed to provide clear evidence in support of his argument.

Following the ruling, the chairman of the Vancouver War Resisters' Support Campaign said he believed Long's deportation would be the first time an army deserter has been forced out of Canada.

Bob Ages said Long will likely be returned to Fort Knox.

"We will be caucusing, trying to figure out what we can do,'' said Ages.

Long is one of several U.S. army deserters who claimed refugee status in Canada but none have yet been successful.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Will
said

I don't see how that Long could make a blanket statement about "singled out for harsh treatment by the Americans because of the publicity associated with his case." when all he has to do is move to San Francisco and be a hero there.


Fairness
said

How can they send this guy back if they're letting Glass stay for his review? They cannnot treat Long differently...


Merle Terlesky
said

Perhaps had he not joined up with all the lefties and made a big case of his cowardice he would not be singled out.
Its a volunteer army and he volunteered end of story.


Gregory Boudreau
said

Finally a Judge who did her job. Like she said, Mr.Long did not provide sufficient evidence to prove his point. I think our country should try and stay out of cases like these, if it is a humain rights violation, then ok, but not in a case as this. This case should be handled by the US, Mr.Long violated US laws not canadian laws.We can't be known as a safe haven for people who violate laws in their home countries, irregardless of wheather we agree with them or not.


Bill
said

I'm glad that he's refered to as a deserter and not a war resister. He is a deserter and he deserted his own Country when it needed him. His actions will follow him the rest of his life. He will always be a useless piece of flotsom. His signature on anything will mean nothing.



stick from the bus
said

I met Robin in 2005. We called him GI Joe. He deserted the army because it is a useless war machine run by a tyrant. How 'Bill' can say he is 'a useless piece of flotsam' without ever knowing him is a personal attack to his character, and extremely inappropiate.
I wish you all the best GI Joe and may the force be with you.


Rod
said

I think these kids (and they are children) should have a choice on whether they want to put their blood and lives on the line for the propaganda machine that is the USA. The Iraq invasion was built on lies, as is well documented now. To all those who judge these young men harshly, take the log out of your own eye. I'm embarrassed that the Harper Government has not taken a stand against the war machine. This young man made a choice to make a move and try to live a free life instead of imposing the American will on the world. I applaud that and would welcome and sane American who would choose to desert the war machine.


Mark in Ottawa
said

It's not like ANY of these guys didn't know their country was at war when they signed up!! "but I only wanted the subsidized college education, not the actual soldier part...!"

don't let the door hit you on the way out...


IT manager in Toronto
said

Grab them all by the neck and throw them out! They are using foolish excuses to try and stay. Thank God the govt isn't biting. The RCMP should go to Nelson BC and find the rest of the deserters and ship them out.


Don't want to soldier, don't join the army.
said

This individual joined a voluteer army. He broke the commitment he made. The fact that this matter was heard in a Canadaian federal court demonstrates that we have given this issue consideration. It is time for this man to be returned to the U.S army to stand trial for desertion. Would we expect Canadians to be able to evade justice by hiding in America?


Lisa
said

He wants to stay here because he may receive, "harsh treatment' from his countrymen? The countrymen he deserted when he fled his post? Awww....poor baby. I'm guessing he wasn't exactly military material anyways. Honestly, some people...enjoy your ride back across the border buddy.


Gunner Joe
said

In the military, you go where they send you.
If you volunteer to put on a uniform, you should have accepted all that goes with it.
He's very lucky he won't face a firing squad, but he will have to live with his decision. Hopefully, he will remember the faces of his fellow soldiers, who he let down.


Sadia
said

I keep on getting confused...as a whole both Americans and Canadians expound the virtues of right to belief, freedom of speech, etc...it's in built into our respective constitutions. How do we become so harsh towards someone who feels he does not want to participate in what he sees as mindless slaughtering of humans. Who are you...those with vile comments (you dish it out so take some back) that seem to relish that Mr. Long will be miserable, perceived or not. What are your beliefs? What creeds do you stand by. Is there any mercy in your hearts...what if Mr. Long was your brother? I feel you folks would love to have the opportunity to stand by America, to go to Iraq and drop some bombs, and be part of that huge killing operation. We are supposed to be intellectuals...we have University's brimming with experts on mediation, behaviour modification, conflict resolution and higher intellectual ways of dealing with humans. But we prove to be barbaric...simple like the portrayed vikings of old. So peaceful negotiation, persistence to end conflict through dialoque is only reserved for the favoured, those who "you" like. Racism lives on, strong as ever. The caveman way of beating someone over the head into compliance is more of an American legacy and sadly we all support it in cypberspace, print media and via political policy. SICK.


Shawn
said

The one common thing all of the deserters have is that they all enlisted voluntarily into the US military. They were not drafted or forced through any other way.

When you put the uniform on, regardless of whether it is a militray, ploice, etc, you know the risks and the expectations.

This guy knew he could be sent to war, but he choose to do it anyway.

Let's hurry up and get these guys back to where they belong. they made a voluntary commitment to serve and now they need to be held accountable.


GSF
said

Why are we supposed to allow deserters to stay? This isn't like Vietnam where people were forced to fight. These people chose to join the army, sometimes armies go to war and when you join one thats a risk you take. They are not politicians or generals, they do not get to cherry pick when they think they should go off and fight. They took an oath the fight and defend their country if ordered by their president, if they dont agree with the order too bad! if they thought that they wouldnt be able to carry out that order they should not have joined the army! Go home deserters


Colin
said

Good! Send the deserter back. Shouldn't have signed up for the military if he didn't want to serve.


Norm
said

To Rod

You say they should have a choice as to whether or not they want to fight in Iraq. They do, it's called enlisting or not enlisting. These people chose to enlist during a time when the US military is actively engaged in combat missions around the world. Did they actually think they would not be sent to fight?

Send them all home, they knew what they were getting into.


Rod
said

Come on people! Even if he did 'volunteer' he clearly has had a change of heart. Perhaps he had an wakening, or realized he was partaking in insanity. Frontline has produced an extensive documentary of the events leading to the US invasion of Iraq, called "Bushs' War". It is highly worth a watch. Why is there such a strong opinion to hold this young man to a decision he may have in haste and error? Stop war - stop the insanity! We are all human beings, and we are all brothers and sisters.


Meg
said

This guy volunteered to serve it the US armed forces. If he's broken his contract with his country, he needs to deal with the consequences. If he has a moral problem fighting the illegal war in Iraq, then send him to Afghanistan.


Canuck in WA state
said

I agree with most of the comments on here.

However, if he truely wanted to protest the war, he should simply have refused deployment and accepted the consequences.

This was and is a bad war, a folly along the lines of Vietnam. The US should be out of Iraq; the sooner the better. It will probably have more consequences than leaving Vietnam did, but it wasn't the end of the world then and it isn't now.

The US did something I woudn't have believed. They managed to kill as many Iraqis as Sadam did. Well done.

The embarassment can't be over to soon. That embarassment is of course GWB. An idiot of mass destruction.

And no I am not a leftie, I am a big Harper fan.


Chris former soldier
said

He joined of his own free will, he was not forced to join, was not dragged to a recruiting depot, he joined to get a free education, I guess he forgot he had to do something for that free education. Also unless he was living in a cave he new what was going on. It is funny how all you lefties/communists cry how Canada is not living up to our kyoto contract but when it comes to a person who is left leaning it is okay for him to ignore the contract he signed.


Doug BC
said

He is not a draft dodger.He enlisted in a volunteer military and the "deserted".Not at all the same thing.I'm not sure why "Sadia" and a few others are confused by that.
And yes,let's get on to immigration reform so we can get rid of the people like those who blew up an Air India passenger plane years ago.
We really have enough problems of Canadian origin.The last thing we need are problems imported from other countries.Since these deserters no longer face a firing squad,I applaud this as the right decision.Canada is not well served by being a haven for people who can't obey the laws of their homeland.


Joseph
said

As a Vietnam vet I did not understand why people ran to Canada and not fight for our freedom and way of life. He volunteered to serve his country, he should be brought back to the US and sent to Iraq and learn to be a man !


Don Ward
said

There is no draft. They are deserters, not resisters.


Steven G.
said

This man volunteered. He chose to sign-up. I take no position on the issues that made him desert -- but -- if he truly believes in his position, then his appropriate action is to refuse further duty and face the legal consequences in his own country. I have no doubt he would receive high profile defense help and a fair & public trial.

I get a little nervous that someone wants me to welcome them to join my country because they decided no to honour an obligation they made in their country !! How does that strengthen us as a country? We add one more citizen with a convenient sense of honouring their word.


Ian
said

Two counter-points to Rod:

First, this man is not a "child" by any definition. The article states his age as 25 today, so when he came here in 2005 he would have been 22. That's a legal adult in every jurisdiction in Canada and the United States.

Second, having a change of heart is fine, so long as you have the fortitude to stand up and face the consequences of your decision like a man, not run away to another country and then cry "refugee!"


RCR
said

I believe the leftist loonies that want these "deserters" to remain in Canada, should try to think of all of our brave men and women that have fought and died in World Wars, and those that have died on Peace Keeping missions..Some of these people enlisted and some were drafted. I think it's a slap in the face to these people to let deserters use our country as a hideout.. If they didn't want to serve in a war zone, they should have deserted in their own country and faced the consequences of that. This bunk about an illegal war is just that. Cowardice is more to the point.. We should ship them all back to their native country.


michael
said

As a Canadian who served in the United States Navy after 9/11. I can understand why young Americans want to come to Canada, HELL I even thought about it. I was a medic I seen a lot of young soldiers try to kill themselves to avoid going to Iraq. So people don't call them cowards for not wanting to go to war. The waar in Iraq is, was and will be known as war that NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED.


Todd
said

"When you take the King's shilling, you do the King's bidding."

It's an old soldier's expression and underlies the committment made by soldiers that goes beyond other types of "jobs". There are benefits and responsibilities that go with the armed forces and you can't have one without the other. Sorry, but he needs to 'man-up' on this one.

I understand Robin was living with his partner and child in Nelson. I'd love to live in Nelson too (a beautiful town), but I can't get a job there. It would seem that draft dodgers and deserters have an affinity for the prettiest parts of Canada. Are they immigrants? Did they go through the proper channels? He needs to go home and face the consequences of his actions and can come to Canada through the proper channels and not jump the line of legitimate refugees.


Bob
said

For michael.

Your comments about the war may be true but he was not drafted. He knew what he was getting into in the beginning.

I hope the coward is on his way back home.


Charley-Rose
said

Yes he volunteered. Yes he changed his mind. (he must have come to his senses) No he should not have run away like a crying baby. He should have stayed and faced the consequences of his decision. He is an adult after all, right? Go home and be a man, take it like the man you want everyone to think you are. Regardless of the punishment, to hide from your troubles will only cause your soul and conscience to pay the price. good luck to you Robin.


Veteran taxpayer
said

Why doesn't the US just let him be and go after him for any money they paid him in advance? Why jail someone who doesn't want to fight? I wouldn't want him fighting next to me if his hearts not in it. If they gave him money for the GI bill or if they had him as a soldier on a term then why not sue him in civil court and reclaim the money? Making him poor will not draw all the peace activists to his cause and we can stop having to wasting taxpayers's dollars prosecuting draft dodgers/ objectors.


Glen
said

Interesting problems here...perhaps if all the American soldiers deserted and came to Canada that would end the war in Iraq...


Mark Merchant
said

You don't enlist in an army only to decide one day - Hey I don't want to serve anymore!? That is a complete violation of the oath every soldier takes to serve unto death.

I will gladly take his or any other deserters place in the US Army.




Unconditional service??
said

So many comments here to the effect that "he volunteered, and so must serve no matter what".

Really? No matter what your government may ask you to do, once you volunteer for the army you must check your conscience and your humanity and follow any order, and fight any war? Really?!?!?

Hmmm..... No wonder, then, that with such unquestioning "patriotism" that a handful of Nazis were able to control an entire nation.


PI MAX
said

I am myself a military reserve for the past 25 years. I joined because I liked this and at the current age of 46 I am still one of the best 20 in physical conditions and a great shape, my shooting skills are great and if there was a chance in life where we could have exchanged places I would have done this with this guy. This is a simple fact that shows that he was never prepared to go to any war and neither had the courage required for this. It was better he did now prior being deployed to these countries, 'cause he could have ended jeopardizing the security for many others in a mission. Furthermore it's not up to anyone else to judge him, but only god can and will be the one that can judge him. As a matter of fact we are constantly making statements on blogs or anywhere else on the internet concerning the fact that US and coalition fighters have killed insurgents in a cruel way if I may say so, or they have illegaly used methods to acquire information from these cruel crime committers, which is leading to a more aggressive retaliation and worst of all more that will join them thinking that they are doing the right thing by depriving us from our freedom to be or go where we want. Do you want to be submitted by these crime committers?
Do you want to live the kind of life they are living? If you believe the US and coalition forces are doing the wrong thing, than how come you are still living in these countries like the US, Canada, England, and many other countries?
It is time to open up your eyes, 'cause Europe will be in the coming years facing realtime changes coming into effect, which will change the way these people live and think. A lot of Dutch citizens are immigrating to countries like for instance Australia, the Island of Curacao, Aruba, Bonaire, St Marten, Saba, Statia and The US.
Let us not waste our time with comments which will not help us in solving current problems worldwide, 'cause we are just busy contributing to an unknown future and possibly turning or world into an unsecure environment.
Let us be careful and stand by their (Coalition forces)side in order to at least guarantee a peaceful future for our kids!
Or do you believe that supporting the Hamas, Al Qaida and others will provide a secure future?

Shawn
said

Sadie,

You are obviously someone who has never donned the uniform of your country otherwise you might understand the 'vile comments; that people like myself have made.

Well, I did and yes I was prepared to do my duty for my country.

A few things happen when a person decides to become a soldier. First you quickly understand that while you have the right to Freedom of Expression, etc, as a soldier your opinion is irrevlant to completeing the task that you have been ordered to do and as such you don't say it. You do the job and keep your mouth shut.

The issue here is not that a soldier spoke out against the war. Honestly, I understand why Long doesn't want to go back and no I wouldn't want to either. I am not for killng people and don't feel the US should have invaded. The UN should have stepped up a long time ago a forced Iraq to complie with the resolutions, but that is another story.

Bottom line, 9/11 happened 7 years ago which would have made Long 17 or 18. He joined the military voluntary knowing that he would likely be sent to war. Whe you enlist, whether there is a war on or not, you give yourself your country to do with what they see fit.

He made his chose and should deal with the conseqences like a honourable person.

It is hard for the average person to understand the ways of the military unless they have been there. I challenge you to put on the unform to get a more well-rounded view.

You have the 'Right to Free Speech' but...did you truly earn it.


A Retired Soldier
said

As a retired soldier, I can not understand how the Canadian Government would even consider a case brought forward for a volunteer in a volunteer army. Our tax money should have never been used in this matter. The military is not an a ala carte menue. You can not choose the terms of your service. You took an oath, A deserter you are sir, step up and take responsibility for your actions. Do not use our country for hiding in. Your actions disgust me sir. You have shamed yourself by the sacrifices made by others.


Vince M
said

As ex-Forces I can tell you this is what separates the people you trust from the people you don't.

When you become a professional soldier you promise (not "maybe" or "it depends" or "if I feel like it") to do your duty when called on. The oath is pretty damn specific.

When someone runs from their committment like this I don't want to be relying on them for my life in a dangerous scenario.

I don't actually want to be relying on them for anything.


Doug BC
said

The post by "Vince M" points out exactly why he should not be sent to Iraq.There are few soldiers who would be able to trust him in a difficult situation.
I believe a man is only as good as his word.If he breaks a solemn oath,my ability to trust him is gone.
And finally,there are some overly crtical of the use of the word coward.While I concede the term is harsh,I also think that he could have demonstrated bravery without going off to war,but by refusing,and staying home to fight for the principles he does believe in.Defend your country and it's principles within the context of your own beliefs.No where is that more possible than in the US justice system.In spite of G.W.Bush.
But deserting,and running off to a foreign country should never be an appropriate option.
And finally,I do not think the USA is asking for extradition in this case.And there is no reason to believe he will be treated overly harshly.They don't execute deserters they way they used to.He will likely not even get jail time,and is probably going to be better off by facing the music back home and putting this behind him.


Calgarian
said

Shame on this judge, shame on the conservative government, shame on Canada. Today as a Canadian I hang my head in shame. Our great nation was once a beacon of hope for those who needed compassion or refuge. Now we are becoming as cold and uncompassionate as our neighbours to the south… all for the sake of a shaky one-sided business relationship.


Luke
said

He knew the risks when he signed up for the armed forces. When the Commander and Chief order’s you to do your job whether you agree or disagree you due your duty as a soldier and as an employee your job.


I call bull
said

I can bet that all these guys claiming to be of the military that probably 10% are actually in the military.

Yes, we do sign on to DEFEND OUR NATION, BUT WE DIDN'T SIGN ON to be used for someone's ego or business relationship or someone's hunger for power. IRAQ was NEVER a threat to the U.S., that is the real issue of this deserter people.

You CANNOT compare Iraq to World War 1 or World War 2. And besides those people fought thinking that there will be no more wars after people see the horror of the war they just fought. IT'S SAD HOW WRONG THEY WERE.



Roger T
said

If he's signed up for miltary duty than he's assumed responsibility otherwise he would have opted not to in the first place. glad to see he's gone back to the US as we're not paying for his stay with tax payers money.


WarOfLiesBackTheIraqResisters
said

It has been proven that Bush LIED about everything to get Americans to back the initial invasion of Iraq.

No soldier, even if they were not conscripted, should be forced to fight in this war.

These resisters should not be vilified or prosecuted for refusing to participate in a war predicated on the lies of the Bush adminstration.




Paul
said

Someone who stands up for his beliefs shows more courage than soldiers who blindly kill innocent Iraqis simply because their country/political leader told them to.

However, having said that, if you make a decision that comes with consequences, face them and move on rather than running.


R. Lowe
said

There is no conscription in the American forces anymore.
Those who join up know the risks involved, and that THEY may be required to go into active service.
If an enlisted soldier is truly against what his government is asking him/her to do, they can easily become a conscientious objector, and take the military consequences for that position. (remember Muhammad Ali?)
And if so many serving soldiers were to take such LEGAL action, where would the American war effort be, now?
These SOLDIERS are merely trying to avoid active service, and should be immediately returned to the United States of America, to face a uniform court of military justice for their actions


JP
said

SHAME on Canadian Judges, Shame of Canadian Immigrations
Shame of Canadian Politicans-
They have never been in a position like this young man. SHAME


Rob from the Peg
said

Bravo to the courts in this country for making the correct decision in this case. He signed a legally binding contract with the US military and for whatever reason (which aren’t important) he now wants out. Too bad, so sad Mr. Long. You knew what you were getting into but apparently you didn’t feel the needed to live up to your end of the deal. Imagine if everyone in the US who signed a contract, mortgage, loan or whatever decided to skip the country because they didn’t want to fulfill their obligations. I know deserting the military is not exactly the same thing however my point is you signed up for this and you shouldn’t come running to Canada to save you. There are more pressing issues to deal with in this country and helping US deserters should not be one of them.


michael
said

People we are canadians we opened up are arms during the nam right? Yes they weren't drafted I know, like I've said before I'm a Canadian who served in the U.S Navy. But aren't we better then Americans and understand that they DON'T WAN'T TO DIE FOR THE WRONG WAR? This isn't a video game this is real life, I know this because I was in Iraq its not a pretty sight. Give them a chance to do the right thing without calling them cowards. I was stationed with marines and when they came back to the base they were happy, friends and family didn't want them around. Now our friendly country doesn't want them. All I can say to most if not all of you is one word SHAME ON YOU ALL.


Kim Jerome
said

Has anyone looked at the American and Canadian recruiting videos lately? It's made out to look like a cake walk. Easy money for a life of
adventure. Which we all know is a huge crock. These kids and I call them kids under 30 at least have really no educated clue as to the hell they are signing up for. That is why they desert. Of course they are fearful once they figure out they are stuck. Some cope and some do not. In my opinion it makes them human. Give the kid a break and some understanding. Let him stay until some agreement is reached for a dihonorable discharge. Have you never erred in judgement?


graham
said

The following quote from Mark Fournier says it all.
"If it takes force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with your ideas. If you are willing to use force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with you."


EX RCR
said

RCR
This guy should be deported no question.
He signed on the dotted line and then chickened out and ran to Canada because he knew there are so many bleeding hearts here to cry for him.
No sympathy from this ex soldier


Laurel
said

My grandfather was American and he was drafted during World War II. He was only 18 and didn't want to go, but he served his country well and was promoted a few times. It's hard for me to be sympathetic to people who VOLUNTEERED for the military and then got upset when they were asked to fight in a war. Clearly these deserters made bad career decisions, but that doesn't mean they should be given refugee status in Canada.


John
said

As usual I find myself out of step with the popular consensus.

I am physically revolted by the heartless chest-thumping comments on the board.

In the sixties and seventies Canada opened its doors to draft dodgers and deserters, and I got to meet a fair number of them. There was not a coward among them, and they honoured Canada with their presence. It took a lot of guts and integrity to do the right thing by turning their backs on America as it set hootches and children ablaze with indifference.

We should always strive to offer people an avenue of peace and an alternative to marching lock-step off to a stupid war.

I deeply regret this decision, and find that more and more I am ashamed of my fellow citizens who have the capacity to post such thoughtless, hurtful and deplorable comments.

How dare you! What do you know from your little lives and your little keyboards and your pompous, pampered rear-ends. Why would you not congratulate the courage of these men and women and embrace the idea of avoiding participation in an unjust war that is only spreading misery and suffering?


EX RCR
said

Sadia...spoken like a true leftie,naive in the extreme,your heart is bleeding all over the place for this coward.
He joined knowing he could go to war,whether its right or wrong doesn't matter.
Get them out of here.



Marlin
said

As a volunteer in a volunteer army this gentleman should have stayed in the U.S. and used the means available to him.

It would be far more honorable to object and serve your sentence than to run away.

Life is about choices and this individual seems to have a history of making poor ones.


Bob
said

Good move!


Anthony
said

Why should Canada's stance be any different then from the Vietnam era. Canada allowed US soldiers to seek asylum in Canada when they were appossed to that war then again different time and different era,now we got a dictator for a prime minister with little to no backbone when it comes to dealing with the Americans. Lets get it together people and change the government we have right now!


I signed and I knew what it meant.
said

........................

See the dotted line, next time don't sign it. Hope the bus is comfy.


Merc
said

Iraq war is a war of aggression is what most everyone think of. but keeping him here is very wrong while we send our soldiers to Iraq. If Canada keeps him here, it is just plain common sense and right to bring ALL our soldiers home.


Mike Webster
said

This is a good start. Send the rest of the cowards back too. These people willingly joined the military. They willingly accepted the fact that they may be ordered (that's right - ordered, not asked) to go and fight. They accepted the benefits of joining the military and when the chips were down, they dishonoured themselves and ran away. The usual lefty suspects may use "nice" terms like "war resister" but the fact is that these people are deserters who left their fellow soldiers and fled like cowards to Canada. Now it's time for them to face the music for what they did.


B.A.Man
said

my tax dollars well spent.
you can't change your mind half way a roller ride coaster either after you find you are not man enough to live up to your side of the deal,
besides that, numb nuts you joined the US army not the Swiss. What did you expect


canuck in WA state
said

Re: what about the Nazi's.

He did not desert because the US was wrong to invade Iraq.

(Which I think the US have handled as poorly as could be imagined. I was glad to see Sadam gone, but the rest of it was jokable). He deserted because he did not want to fight. He could have done so and done the honourable thing, which was refuse to go to war as a conscientious objector, even once he had enlisted. Many had the guts to do this in the Vietnam War which many were forced to serve against there will.


IT Manager in Calgary
said

I can't believe there are people on this board implying that Long is a coward. It took major guts for him to stand up for his convictions like this, and say no to fighting an illegal war for Oil.

Bill, "IT manager in Toronto" (yet another person on here who thinks they are insulting me by imitating my nickname, when in actuality, you are practicing the highest form of flattery while at the same time making yourself look like an unoriginal buffoon), and the like, I honestly wonder if any of you would have the cajones to stand up for your convictions the way he did. I'm guessing not, since you need to have even your opinions spoon fed to you by Harper.

When he signed up for the military, he probably didn't know that he would have to fight an illegal war started by a right wing tyrant with a goal of world oil domination.

Good for you, Mr. Long!


Roadrobber
said

It's about time Long was sent back to the USA. Let's hope the rest of the deserters get sent back as well. Yes, I call them deserters, which is what they are. They are not draft dodgers and they are not war resisters. They have deserted from a military unit to which they were a member so they are indeed a deserter. Stand up, be a man and face the consequences, Mr. Long. In my opinion, you were nothing but a coward to desert from your unit and cross into Canada.


antiwar
said

The war in Iraq is definitely an illegal war of aggression. Look at what the US troops have done to the Iraqi innocent civilians. Do you guys have idea how many women and children died in this war? Do you guys really think that the US troops are fighting for the freedom for the Iraqis? No, they are fighting for the Oil for USA.

Robin Long had made a right decison. He is a real hero!


Marg
said

I feel a lot of people here don't seem to realize that military service in the US is compulsory for every male at age 18 unless they are already enrolled in a credited institution of higher learning. Since when does that mean he "VOLUNTEERED" as so many seem to point out. Here in Canada, Yes, our youth volunteer and my son and many of his friends volunteered and are serving, some in Afghanistan as I speak. None would want a comrade they could not depend on while serving in action.
This American citizen did not volunteer, he had to serve his time as an 18 yr old able bodied man and has decided war in Iraq is stupid. So be it, face up to his convictions and leave the forces then. Why should we harbour him here?
I agree with sending him home, but I also disagree with the many posters who say he volunteered to serve. That is the case in Canada not in the US.


Max
said

To "Sadia":

When you sign up, voluntarily, to represent your sacred country in a military conflict, you're EXPECTED to follow through. It's a vitally important, entirely fundamental concept.

Now, as a volunteer soldier, your personal political views aren't cared for! You don't get to sit on the sidelines, on your fellow citizens' tax dollars, and contemplate whether the war you're called to serve in is a good fit for you or not. You signed up. Get your butt in there!

Thank goodness selfish, left-wing hippies (a modern-day plague)didn't exist until the latter half of the 20th century.

He was called upon to carry out the military wishes of his COUNTRY and its citizens, not the private wants of George Bush. Drop the political argument. The U.S. government (not just the President) voted to go into Irag.

If you're fond of non-violent protesting, don't sign up with Uncle Sam.

Your position that he should be patted on the back isn't at all "intellectual."




Red X
said

The last time a bunch of Americans came to Canada to avoid going to an unjust war was Vietnam. How did that turn out for them? At least he is still alive to face the music...

The Iraq rational for invading was WMDs which they did not find. Now that they are there the Americans will never leave as long as there is OIL in them countries...


Chris V
said

Good! Opposing a war is not a good enough reason to seek refugee status. The U.S. military is completely voluntary so he voluntarily allowed himself to be shipped off to Iraq or any other war zone when he signed up.


BRIAND
said

This guy isnt going to be now sent to Iraq. Hes too much of a liablity to himself and the US army. He signed up voluntarily. One who signs up voluntarily must understand that they have no say where their gov. sends them. Its not up to the soldiers to dictate which conflicts are justified and which are not. I may not agree with the Iraq conflict and how it all has turned out but I am not the US Gov. They decided right or wrong to go into Iraq, their soldiers need to follow orders and let Gov. sort world issues out. The canadian military has muslims in their ranks. Non of these individuals deserted because the taliban are muslims. They took an oath aswell here to serve and go where ever they are sent. If you sign up just to get free education, dont expect to back out of the contract. many college and university kids sign up for student loans, do they not have to pay it back or run and let their countryman holding the bag, kinda like this kid, signs up, runs leaving the others to do the work and he gets to hid out in Canada for 3 yrs.


GM
said

Irregardless of what Robin Long thinks about the war in Iraq, he made a pledge of duty to his country.

He will not be sent to Iraq against his will but he must face the music.

US military deserters should not be allowed to use Canada as a "get out of jail free" card.



NW
said

He joined the Army then he has to fight, whether he agrees with the war or not.

If you don't want to fight for the so-called useless war, then don't goin the forces.

It's your job and you have to obey the orders.


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