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CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Thu. Jul. 10 2008 9:21 PM ET

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said that his government has "no real alternative" to the U.S. legal system in the Omar Khadr case Thursday, setting off a barrage of criticism from lawyers, opposition critics and human right activists.

"I think it's deplorable that he would say that there's nothing to be done," Khadr's U.S, military lawyer, Lt.-Cmdr. William Kuebler told CTV Newsnet. "This Canadian prime minister refuses to stand up to the Bush administration and protect the rights of a Canadian citizen.

"This is a disingenuous comment from the prime minister," Khadr's Canadian lawyer Dennis Edney told The Canadian Press.

"The prime minister, through his cabinet members, particularly Mr. (Peter) MacKay, have long said that they have been assured that Omar Khadr was being well treated, when in fact the Canadian government well knew that was not the case," he said.

The prime minister's comments come a day after explosive new documents suggest Canada was aware of the harsh treatment that Khadr was being subjected to in Guantanamo Bay at the hands of U.S. military interrogators.

But Harper, speaking Thursday in Tokyo, Japan following this week's G8 meetings, said Canada had little say in the situation and has no intention of interfering.

The Foreign Affairs documents released by Khadr's defence team this week show Khadr was visited in 2004 by Canadian officials. They found the then 17-year-old had been deprived of sleep for weeks in an attempt to make him more pliable for interrogation by U.S. agents.

"Every three hours he was moved to a different place. A different cell to disorient him, to make him weak," Edney said.

Alex Neve of Amnesty International Canada told CTV News that people "who have been through it have called it one of the most excruciating types of torture because it just goes on and on."

Harper has distanced his government from the documents. He said former prime minister Paul Martin's government was aware of how Khadr was being treated, but there was little that could have been done.

"The previous government took a whole range, all of the information into account when they made the decision on how to proceed with the Khadr case several years ago,'' he said.

Harper added that Canada: "frankly, has no real alternative'' to the U.S. legal process.

Harper criticized

Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae, who was not part of the Paul Martin government, said on CTV Newsnet that "things got caught up" in the post-9/11 scramble to take direct action against terror suspects by governments.

But he says that time has passed and "it's extremely important for Canadians to take full responsibility for one of our own citizens and insist that he be brought home."

"Other countries have done the same and I can't, quite frankly, explain why Canada didn't do the same, but I think we should, and it's not too late to do that now," he added.

"I think it's time for Mr. Khadr to face justice in Canada."

Edney asked why Harper would criticize China's human rights record but ignore the situation in Guantanamo.

"It boggles my mind that this prime minister is prepared to criticize China over human rights and is prepared to lambaste Mexico for the way its criminal justice system is applied to a Canadian," he said.

"But when you have a young Canadian who is in Guantanamo Bay whom Canadian courts have said has been abused and tortured, our government remains silent."

Kuebler said the U.S. would probably have complied with a request from Harper to have Khadr transferred into Canadian custody -- but the request hasn't been made.

As a result, Kuebler said, any harsh treatment endured by Khadr is Canada's responsibility.

"The Canadian government has continued to hide behind assurances for the U.S. government that Omar Khadr is being treated humanely when it knew that . . . those assurances were false," he said.

The Toronto-born terror suspect is accused of throwing a grenade in 2002 in Afghanistan that killed a U.S. special forces soldier.

Khadr, 15 at the time, was captured and eventually sent to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where he has remained ever since.

The son of an alleged al Qaeda financier -- and the only Canadian being held in Gitmo -- Khadr is set to go to trial in October.

According to the reports released by Khadr's defence team, Canadian official Jim Ghould visited Khadr in 2004 and was briefed by U.S. military officials on Khadr's case.

One report says Khadr was moved every three hours for 21 days -- a technique known as the 'frequent flyer program' -- in an attempt to deprive him of sleep and weaken his ability to withstand interrogation.

And a U.S. Air Force report from February 2003 says Khadr wasn't allowed to receive mail from his family in Canada.

When he was finally given a letter from his grandmother, agents watched secretly as the young man broke down in tears.

The same report says Khadr was picked on by other inmates following his interview sessions with officials.

CTV's legal analyst Steven Skurka called the new revelations a "bombshell."

"We've been told repeatedly by the Canadian government he's been treated humanely and now it appears in the face of those statements the Canadian government knew otherwise," Skurka told Canada AM.

He added that the treatment described in the documents "could be called torture, it's certainly inhumane, it's certainly a story that really has to make Canadians wake up and shudder."

With files from The Canadian Press

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m chiu
said

Why is the media paying so much attention to this Khadr? Who cares?


debi
said

We should be ashamed of our govt - how our govt is playing to Bushes music, can you imagine what this is going to cost us taxpayers in the end??? Note, I am not saying cost the cdn gov't.

we spent how much on that woman in Mexico???


Ashamed Canadian!
said

Harper added that Canada: "frankly, has no real alternative'' to the U.S. legal process.


I DISAGREED! USA are allowed to inference with our sovergity issues aka north passage, defense system, norad, lumber softwood, our own laws as well, they objected with our pot law and our same-sex marriage.

Everytime they had American in trouble in anywhere in world and USA had them returned to homeland instant even from Mexico.

Anyone remember BOUNTY HUNTER DOG? USA inferenced and got a deal that allowed Dog stay in USA while face the trial.

DWB
said

As usual, mainstream media is more interested in the rights of terrorists than it is of the rights of the victims of Jihadism


wilson stauffer
said

i believe as soon as he took up arms with our enemies he lost his canadian citizenship. i think he deserves everything he gets WITH NO HELP FROM CANADA.
a ww11 vet


MartinofNS
said

He was just a kid when he was alleged to do this act. Sanctions should be imposed on him keeping in mind that he is still a child and can change his ways and has a potential future of being a good CANADIAN citizen.

Kadr has probably suffered severe psychological damage since being captured. After being in Gitmo for 6 years he should be excused. Anymore sanctions on him will not help the situation.

However, I do not agree to any government hand-outs to kadr if he is found guilty, just because he was tortured. If he is found innocent i believe that the United States GOV't should have to pay for any damages that Kadr has experienced.


Golf Company Grunt
said

Same old mindless anti-American drivel, just a different day!

'Pro Patria'


Yuri
said

Once you leave Canada you are on your own. The Canadian Government has neither the might or the will to do anything for it's citizens abroad. When in Rome do as the Romans or pay the price.


ogf
said

The Australian and the UK governments managed to find a "real alternative". They've both negotiated with the US and had their nationals released and repatriated.


JJ
said

Ashamed Canadian! My sentiment exactly!!

This PM and this Government is simply an instrument/extension of the US foreign policy (Harper is a Bush puppet).

I used to be a proud Canadian, now I hide my flag!


Dan
said

Wow, talk about shirking its responsibilities. Other countries (eg: Great Britain, etc.) have repatriated all of their 'enemy soldiers' from Gitmo. Canada is the only one who hasn't. AND he's underage on top of that. Talk of leaving your citizens high and dry... I at first thought he was guilty and didn't care so much, but I have heard some of the court transcripts and the 'eye witness' evidence was shown to be made up and I have grave doubts about his guilt now. He should be brought home for a fair trial, not for this American military kangaroo court.


Casz
said

At least he is finally getting a trial. People in GITMO haven't been charged with a crime or been given POW status. Finally the US Supreme court ruled those people must be publically tried. Until then, they were in limbo. Our gov't had no recourse and made the best decision they could.


MHB
said

Canadians should be aware that our governments, liberals or conservatives, are full partners in the gross human rights violations that took place after 9/11, including the fameous Arar case. Khadr was only a kid when all this happened. Do we in Canada put kids on trial for crimes committed under the influence of oppressive fathers?. It seems that we just got used to the habit of treating some of our citizens differently away from the rules of law applied to everyone else.


JAFO
said

Funny,

Both Australia and GB would undoubtedly do something with their repatriated terrorists, Canada.... not so much. In our case, he would probably get a few million bucks and be set free so he can carry on. I (and a huge number of fellow Canadians) don't want him back here until he's been tried and found innocent. If he's guilty... too bad so sad, the US can keep him. It's amazing how people cry foul when a Canadian goes abroad gets in crap then wants help. How many Canadian Lebanese, or sorry... Lebanese Canadians, stayed in Canada after the fighting was quelled in Lebanon? "Canadian" should be more than just a title of convenience.



American Derangement Syndrome
said

Stick to the script people:

Put your ADS (American Derangement Syndrome) aside for a minute and think logically.

This is not about a woman stuck in a Mexican jail.

It's not about Americans commenting on our laws. They cannot tell us how to formulate our laws but can tell us of potential trade and customs/border headaches we could face. Re: Pot laws for example. That's their right. It's THEIR country.

It's about a guy who was a trained jihadist who's charged of having killed a US soldier.
What would be your reaction if it had been a Canadian soldier?


Unfortunately I have no comparison to use to see if Terrorist's treatment of their prisoners is any better than the Americans because THEY TAKE NO PRISONERS! They simply kill them and that's often after torturing them and I'm not talking about sleep depravation here.


Wise Wajid
said

I would never send in a comment in support of this KKK gov't, I can't stand the sight of Harper or how much the media caters to him. But a child soldier is someone like Ishmael Beah(A long way gone) NOT Khadr. Let him face the music in Guantanamo for his terrorist actions and the sooner the better.


J.C.
said

Please read the story!! This took place when the Liberals were in power, and not the current government.
We cannot assume innocence because his lawyers say so. We do not have the whole story, nor do we have the whole story re what our government has done or tried to do etc. It is unfortunate for Khadr that he was born the son of an alqaeda financier and supporter as it is not likely he had much choice in the events that took place. Unfortunately many countries do not have the same laws for minors as we do in Canada. One might say his parents are to blame moreso than our government as in this case,they are the ones that placed many terrorist belief's in his head, and as a child he would believe or do as his parents wished.
Naturally his lawyer would try to make an issue about our government in order to attain help to get him off,or lesson his sentence should he be found guilty thus the media attention etc.
He is "a prisoner of war" per say, having joined the enemies cause. His quilt or innocence should be determined by a court of justice, and not by the media or its readers.However, I believe the time for the matter to come to court has been unacceptably too long.


George
said

Shame on those who say Khadr is guilty, so leave him there. You have been indoctrinated by the Bush rhetoric.

From the little bit of conflicting information the US has released, we have limited understanding of what actually happened the day he was captured.

Let's remember the rule of law... Innocent until proven guilty and youth justice.

Most of us have very little understanding of the situation in Uganda and other countries, but we sympathize with child soldiers and assume they are forced to do their horrid acts. In Khadr's case, many assume we have full understanding and have no sympathy for him.

The American/Bush record for telling the truth related to terrorism is dismal at best. Let's bring this boy home and have a fair trial.


This is beyond disgraceful
said

This is a prime example of exactly how Canada, once known as a nation of PEACE, is going right down the tubes and becoming a pawn of an increasingly fascist American right wing agenda.

This is shameful!! Guantanamo Bay is a disgrace to the very principal concepts of justice we as a society should be fighting tooth and nail to uphold.

Yo Harper - you and Stockwell Day and Peter Mackay are really pushing your luck by being flagrant Bush toadies. A lot of us Canadians are getting really,REALLY sick of this and we're going to vote you out as soon as we can.

Come on Canada - we can do a lot better than this!!


PJR
said

contrary to the majority of "let'em hang" posters here I am actually trained in international law and so I actually know what I'm talking about. The comments here are absolutely mind-boggling.. there are so many violations of international law in this case that it sickens me (re: child soldiers/protection against torture/right to be informed of charges/presumption of innocence/right to POW status/right to a fair trial/ access to Canadian consular officials, etc). Canada not only could have intervened but was obliged to do so in order to protect one of its citizens, detained at 15 YEARS OLD, and held incommunicado for several years in a detention facility notorious for torture. Harper's comments are not only disingenuous, they are frankly disgusting.


Mary Ann
said

People talk about bringing him "home" ( I feel he should be sent back to where he was found..)to Canada, well what do we do with him. We have people in custody with the new laws since Sept 11th for years and with evidence we don't even know. This "kid" we do know what the evidence is ...somebody tell me do we just let him go free or lock him up like the others. It is very clear where his allegiance is, whether by his parents or by association, but it is there.


Darcy O'Neil
said

People need to remember that Khadr was a child soldier. Even the United Nations has questioned the prosecution of Khadr.

Terrorist or not, he was 16 years old when this happened and was probably heavily influenced / manipulated.

As Canadians we need to consider this, and do something about it.


Proud & Patriotic
said

I do not understand why Canadians are so ashamed of this situation. The story is still a "He said/she said". All these bleeding hearts ought to take into account that this kid may well have killed an American soldier, with intent. So far, there is no proof of "torture" at Gitmo. Take some pride in being Canadian. It is okay to play "Devils Advocate", but get your facts straight before you start lobbying for the enemy!


P. F. Murphy
said

While I accept that the Martin government had few options during the initial hysteria of 911, we are long past that stage. Harper knew of the torture and did and is doing nothing. The Prime Minister must accept the responsibility for his dishonesty with Canadians and resign.
Why do we care about Khadr? Because we believe in justice and the rights of Canadian citizenship. We've fought wars on this or at least those of us who believe in freedom, truth and honour.


Rob O
said

People should grow up and understand, that our government can't get invovled in everyone problems outside of Canada. He made the choice to go fight, so he no must pay the price. Even if he was underage. God we have enough problems here to worry about. Let's fix the problems at home.


Vince M
said

I hardly call sleep deprivation torture.

What a bunch of wet noodles we have become. Terrorists must be laughing at us.


Alexander Yiu
said

m chiu: You should care a whole lot, actually. Despite the fact that Khadr is only alleged to have killed a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan, the laws of war i.e. international humanitarian law, as well as the provisions of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms are plain and vociferous in the protection of a Canadian citizen's right to life, liberty and security of the person. How much more is the case when the Canadian citizen in question was still legally a minor at the time of the alleged crime. Khadr arguably has been denied his rights under the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, a document which has been ratified by the Canadian government and which has been relied on in numerous Supreme Court cases. Please don't tell me no one should care. This is just an ignorant statement. All human rights minded individuals in this country should care about the atrocious manner in which our government has handled this matter to date. I applaud Khadr's Canadian lawyer, Dennis Edney for his continuing pursuit of the simple administration of the rule of law in this case.


dk
said

The other countries had alternatives because none of those jihadists actually killed a U.S. soldier like Kadr. C'mon the guy was caught in an ambush by the Americans. Even if he didn't kill the American soldier, whose side do you think he was fighting on???
The media needs to stop being apologists for the terrorists. The terrorists whether Canadian or not, have caused us enough grief running roughshod over our own laws. It's about time they get what they deserve.


also ashamed
said

there is little to no proof that khadr actually threw the grenade that killed the army medic. this case is just the US military twisting facts to suit their own agenda. m chiu, how would you like it if you were being tortured, imprisoned, and falsely accused of a war crime? would you want the media to cover your story so the government could get you out of there?


Civilized Country?
said

Unfortunately Kadhr is an "easy to use" victim for Canada. His past actions do not exactly endear him to Canadians in general.
What other countries realize is that it is a dangerous precedent and it is a clear violation of a Canadian's rights. Take the name off of it and see it for what it is or we will begin to lose our civilized society. It can happen much quicker than any of us would like to think. Human rights should not be discretionary based on an individual's status. What the government is saying is that they should be discretionary. I remember the old days when we used to condemn the former Soviet Union for these types of things - and it wasn't very long ago.
Perhaps we should start testing taser guns on homeless people?


Denise
said

Thank you J. C.! People, please read the article before you skewer the Conservative government on this. It happened 2 YEARS before they came into power. Paul Martin was the Prime Minister when this happened.



MD
said

I'm not defending Kadhr or what he did. However I think back to the American citizens who fought with us against Germany prior to December 7, 1941 when the US declared war on Germany. Many of these men flew in bombers in the RAF.

Were these men also war criminals???


Paul
said

Ask a random 10 Canadians about this and see what they say. Most will look at you blankly. If you explain it they will say...Who cares?
Prime Minister should resign? Idiotic statement!


bunny
said

I don't care about this person, the media seems to have jumped all over ths story - why? I agree fully with what PM harper says and does about this.


north4623
said

This boy was a child soldier - maybe. The US evidence against him in the death of the US soldier is questionable. All the US has done at GITMO and other facilities worldwide is breed hatred. No wonder they're afraid to let anyone go. A long time ago there was the possibility of making this young man understand that his father's position wasn't right. That chance is gone - with Omar Khadr and with many other detainees. Shame on the US and shame on Canada.


We Dare
said

I find it oh so interesting, to see people here talk about Canada, the US and the rest of the western world and how we are so terrible when it comes to human rights abuse.

I suppose that what the terrorists did on 911, by killing over 3000 ppl as they were working in the Twin Towers and the Pentagon were all so innocent of any crimes.

And the human rights abuses that continued for decades in Afghanistan, Iran etc., we can over look those, because that's just their culture. Right?

How we tend to see with only tunnel vision and not the whole big picture.


Ken
said

So, by extension of Harper's attitude, if I'm in a foreign country, and I'm caught up in a situation I have no control over, for example if I'm in Greenland and their government chooses to genocide everyone who's left-handed, I'm at the mercy of their government and Canada won't step in?



said

This boy was 15 - a child soldier. Our government is obligated to do all it can to help him.


Brad
said

Tough luck for Khadr! He joins a war with the enemy, gets in a fight with the U.S.,a soldier gets killed, he gets caught and is charged with murder.
Now he's getting the mean treatment...I'm not loosing any sleep about it.




Chris
said

Alexander Yiu:

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms applies to Canadians IN Canada. It doesn't apply to anyone outside of our borders.


Scott Curda
said

I think it's a shame that both the current and Former government of Canada are not pressing the government of the United States to follow the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Both Canada and the United States had a major hand in the drafting of this document.

There are three articles that particularly apply:
Article 5 - No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 10 - Everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 15(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied to right to change his nationality.

We know he's been tortured. We know that even his American appointed lawyers question the fairness of his upcoming trial. The last time I checked, he was still a Canadian citizen.

We were a major player in the drafting of this declaration. It would be nice to think that the government would stand up for the rights of its citizens, especially when it is not convenient for them to do so.

Even if you don't like Khadr's politics, he is a Canadian and we should be dealing with him.


Justin
said

J.C. - Thanks for pointing out who was in power. I just want to clarify one thing. Legally, he is NOT a Prisoners of War. Under the Law of Armed Conflict its very clear who and who does not qualify for PW status. Khadr most assuredly does not qualify.


John
said

For all those who have already labelled Khadr as a terrorist, why couldn't you have thought for moment before clicking Submit.

He does not fit the profile of a terrorist, nor was he engaged in terrorist activities. He was a Taliban foot soldier, not one of OBL's trained terrorists. There is a huge difference.

He is alleged to have killed an American soldier. Alleged means we must give him the benefit of the doubt despite Bush labelling him an 'enemy combatant' -whatever that means. Even if the US doesn't care to respect his rights to the presumption of innocence, we should without fail.

Lastly, come on, what would you do, all things being equal? Don't just say you wouldn't have been there, we know that already. But given that you were scared and wounded and US soldiers had traveled 8000 miles to focus their military might and wrath on you, don't you think maybe you'd fight back if you could.

That's all he was doing; he was fighting back against the invader. He was a soldier fighting for something he believed in. That's something I doubt any of his critics have EVER done!

Harper and Bush, and all who condemn and criticize this poor, mixed-up, courageous kid, should be ashamed of themselves.


Sandra
said

This is such a sad case. Khadr was forced by his father to go to Afganistan at the age of 14 to train to be a terrorist. That is to young an age to be defiant to a parent. I don't understand the Canadian governments constant refusal to help our citizens who are being tortured. I have not seen one case where they have done anything to help ever. Maybe we should ask the British to help they have done more to help these people than our own government.


Slippery Slope
said

So let's take a 15 year old accused of murder and hold him (or her) without charges, abuse him/her until they're an adult and then treat them as an adult and feel justified. And we all know how excellent the judgement and reasoning skills are of a 15 year-old - especially a boy who may enjoy the parading and strutting of teenagers (look at the gang members in our streets today).

Also recognize, there has been sufficient evidence now surfacing that offers major doubt about the "story" we've been told to date.

I'm not quite sure how this child soldier was denied the International agreed upon considerations for a child soldier.


Wishing true Canadian Va;ues still existed
said

I am disgusted with many actions this nation has done in recent years and the fearmongering attitudes of the "average joe". To those to call us the bastion of human rights with our triumph of helping to create the UN and our stellar record as peacekeepers standing up for others peoples human rights; bite your tongue and bow your head in shame for this is a blatant disregard of basic rights.

Now for those who are nothing but arm chair generals and diplomats who have never seen combat I wish there was a government program where your travel would be paid for by the taxes payer to shed some light on your neolithic views when it comes to child soldiering. You would be escorted around the Uganda, Congo, Somalia, Seirra Leonne by the tuff of your hair so you would be able to see first hand how I child becomes a killing machine, then maybe you would have earned the right to comment on the future of a boy.

And to Golf Company Grunt I have pounded sand in the dirtbox and thats why were are the sharp end of the sphere cause with our biased attitudes we are not in a position to make public policey...


You should all go back and read MD's post he truly is a man of the times.



Lart from Above
said

Other countries' foreign ministers picked up the phone and got their citizens out of Guantanamo.

The evidence against Khadr may be falsified; even if it's real, he's entitled to a trial for whatever crimes he may have committed. He was certainly a child at the time of his arrest and should not be tried as an adult for whatever crimes the US thinks he may be guilty of. His only crime may have been to be where his parents took him.

This should not be a political issue. Protecting the legal rights of citizens should be the routine work of any government. When the next president comes into office, it would be a great embarrassment for Canada if we were the only country that cared about the Guantanamo prisoners even less than the United States does.


NO TIME FOR TERRORISTS YOUNG OR OLD
said

How harsh, sleep disruption of an alleged terrorist. If being wakened from a sleep every 3-4 hours is torture then every mother in this land of hours should be entitled to lay claim to compensation. How many times a night has mothers been deprived of sleep. Too Bad. Dont agree with torture and dont agree with terrorism either.


M
said

There are 19 and 20 year old Canadians serving their country in Afghanistan. They are on the front lines and get barely a few hours of sleep a night for long periods of time. Khadr was moved around a lot and didn't get a lot of sleep so he was tortured? Hardly. Khadr's lawyer says 'he is not his family', yet research has proved that the first 5 years of a child's life sets the foundation for life. Khadr was taught terrorist beliefs from the day he was born. That is something that could take 20 or more years to rehabilitate, if he is willing to go through the long term painful work that change would take.

Khadr was not a 'child soldier'. A child soldier is a boy who is raised in a good family with good beliefs and is kidnapped, forced to commit horrible crimes, and then needs help to overcome the trials of the ordeal if he escapes.

Terrorist do not deserve sympathy from Canadians.


Alex Y
said

Chris:
Thanks for your comment. There is some case law that supports the extra-territorial application of the Charter in cases of cross-border investigations that involves Canadian officials on foreign soil. Some might argue the Charter would apply in this case to Khadr, as CSIS officials did, as I understand, interview Khadr in Guantanamo. I would say though that the application of the Charter in extra-territorial situations is very much fact driven and not generally the law in Canada.


dwayne-ottawa
said

Lawsuits against Canada, Lawsuits against the US, Interviews, Movie Deals, Book Deals, it will all come out eventually. Mr. Khadr will eventually reveal the truth. The embarrassment will come to all of those involved, how dare they kidnap this kid(now a man) take him to another country and torture him? He was defending his homeland like we all would. Mr. Khadr will get his say and he will become very rich in the process, people are going to pay him well for his story.


John
said

Brad, I'm happy you're not 'loosing' sleep, and I do agree with you on one thing - Khadr has lousy luck.

But he didn't join the war against the US. He was there when the war started, there's a difference.

You are right also about an American getting killed and Khadr getting caught, although there is no proof of any connection.

Lastly, he hasn't been charged with murder. That is the whole point of the disgrace of Gitmo. The detainees are being held without charge for too long.

My god, a German submarine commander reunites with the survivors of the crew of the Esquimault that he sank off the coast of Newfoundland near the end of WWII - a terrorist act if ever there was one! Doesn't that tell you anything about the true nature of enemy combatants?

We have to care about getting things right and doing the right thing, even if it means losing a little sleep.


Karen
said

Some of you say that Khadr went to fight in a war. I don't know that's true because nothing has been proven in court, but let's say it happened. Let's also say that in that war he killed an American soldier. Those things do happen in war.

Even if we disregard his age, the Geneva Convention has guidelines for the treatment of enemy combatents. If the 'enemy' captures our soldier we want international laws followed.

Our PM should be encouraging the US to do the same.


TC
said

We should care and be appalled that more has not been done for Omar Khadr. Not only was Omar a 15 yr old child at the time, the evidence against him is also questionable. Labelling someone a terriorist seems to be a justification for the lack of response and concern for the human rights violations being done. Labelling someone a terriorist does not make it so-we have evidence of Canada's and the US errors on this. This should not be a justification for all the violations being done to this once child prisoner. We have international laws regarding such matters. Also, sleep deprivation has also been proven as a form of tortue and a way that encourages false confessions. If this young man was not labelled a terriorist and from a different ethnic background would he be receiving the same indifference?


Cympl
said

"Why is the media paying so much attention to this Khadr? Who cares?"

The media cares, many people commenting on this story care, you care (hence your comment).


Dave
said

Sleep deprivation is a form of torture. Torturing someone to get an admission of guilt in an interrogation would result in lawsuits, and the dismissal of an investigating officer had he been in Canada OR the US and been arrested. These tactics are morally wrong because they can never guarantee truth by the interrogated...they would eventually admit to anything or say whatever needed to be heard true or not just to get the torture to stop. If this is something I learned in high school, why is nobody else questioning this? Innocent until proven guilty?? WHATEVER...hasn't been that way for a very long time, even in the civilian arena, although they keep up the pretense...


les
said

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
We can only sit and wait for the outcome.
My guess is that he'll be given a sweet
ten million of our tax payer dollars any day.
For all those U.S.A.
haters/bashers out there,give it a rest.They are not going
away.


Dave
said

As for Harper...more and more I see reasons to be ashamed to be a Canadian...from the legal system to the decisions the federal government has made...more and more, decisions are made - choked down the throats of people - even though the people themselves cry out against them. Slowly...almost imperceptibly...we are becoming Sheople not People.


WestCoaster
said

Mr. Harper alleges that the flawed US process is the only way to get at the truth in this matter. Evidence obtained by torture is barred from any legitimate court because evidence obtained by torture does not lead to truth.

At this point, Mr. Khadr is still an ALLEGED terrorist. Ironically, he will have much more protection from torture and inhumane treatment by US authories once he is "convicted" by their self-justifying, injustice system.

I can understand why the USA refuses to recognize the International Court of Justice, fearing its citizens might be held accountable for their actions.


CDM
said

Totally agree with Wilson. This "Canadian" went to war and took up arms against Canada and its allies. Do you think allied governments cared about their german "citizens" that answered the call of the Fatherland and fought for Germany in WW2?

MD - Americans in the RAF war criminals? No. Americans in the Luftwaffe? What do you think?


Jesse
said

As a Canadian I am just appalled by the way the Harper government has treated this child. If we now allow the torture and harsh confinement of a minor, then we might as well scrap the young offenders act and have all youth criminals subjected to torture as well, why should there be any special treatment to those who commit crimes of terror in our local communities, why should there be double standards here?


Sven
said

"Even if we disregard his age, the Geneva Convention has guidelines for the treatment of enemy combatents. If the 'enemy' captures our soldier we want international laws followed."

PROTIP: The Geneva Convention only protects state-sanctioned UNIFORMED soldiers.

These 'soldiers' aren't state-sanctioned, nor do they wear uniforms. Look it up if you don't believe me. Iraqi Insurgents, under the letter of the Geneva Convention, are NOT protected by it.


Andrew
said

People have posted that they are ashamed to be Canadian because of our government's actions/inaction. What is shameful to me is that the value of Canadian Citizenship has been thinned. Canadian citizens don't send themselves or their family members abroad to fight for terrorist or paramilitary organizations. If you want to take up arms for somebody elses cause in another part of the world - then do us all a favour, renounce your citizenship and do not come back. However, thats not the case. Kadr IS a Canadian and does have rights. Both liberal and conservative governments were running the show since he was captured and both have let it slide. They are obligated to intervene on Kadr's behalf to ensure the rules are followed. If they don't want to, draft a law saying that if you take up arms abroad you renounce your citizenship.


Teri
said

This child was 15 a Canadian at the time and still one. He should have been home here in Canada going to school not over there fighting or training to fight. Obeying Canadian laws etc. Doesn't matter how old he was if he did this the Americans have every right to take him to court.


Come on people
said

This post goes out to all who would compare this current Afghanistan situation to WW2. This boy was caught up in a mess and deserves a fair trial regardless. And here we have people comparing him to a Nazi, just like how every aspect of this Afghanistan mess is compared to WW2 by all those who are so eager for Canada to be in a needless ongoing war.

Please keep in mind - WW2 lasted less time than this endeavor will, and 45000 Canadians died.

This Afghanistan endeavor only has 80-odd Canadians dead (needlessly).

Why keep comparing them? It's not fair to the basic concept of reality and war-related mortality. It's like comparing 9/11 to The Holocaust. It's an injustice to keep comparing small potatoes to comparably massive and awful historical realities.

STOP IT

Give this boy a fair trial!! He's suffered enough for bad choices that arguably aren't even his own.


Sean in Vancouver
said

It will eventually be found that Khadr is not guilty of committing any crime. Maybe not in our lifetime, but he will at least be absolved and pardoned by a more just society than the one at the helm right now.

And we will be found guilty of prostituting out a child for years of torture simply because of a few harsh opinions and a powerful ally who was desperate to relieve some tension, to show some progress in a war that cannot be declared to anyone except to a bouquet of microphones and the lustfully gazing cameras of the media.

It's all manufactured to try to hide the fact tha, to people like Harper and Bush and Bin Laden, the rallying cry is always the same: "Damn Justice, for it was denied to my peers in times gone by--I don't care to see whether it is properly delivered or not to those who are not my peers! What's more important is that I now have cause for seeking vengeance!"

The brand of Justice being meted out to Khadr is nothing more than a miscarriage of it. Sure, you can point at a few of it's bloody organs ("A soldier is dead!"; "This boy here was in the vicinity!"; "His family has consistently said some really controversial and hurtful things!") but this emotional soup is clearly doomed, not viable.

And, in the end, it's Canada's flag that will be used to mop it up. Look, there are many fresh spatters on it already. Is our flag not Harper's bib?


RRO
said

This is ridiculous, his lawyers are trying to turn him into the victim while not addressing the fact that he was carrying out terrorist activities in Afganistan. They can't address his crimes, so now they are trying to turn him into the victim. They show pictures from when he was younger to increase innocent persona. Where are all the America bashers today to back up Prime Minsiter Harper, the US will not turn its prisoners over to us, face facts. The Liberals didn't try when they were in power so they have no credability on this issue.


RRO
said

Quick comment for everyone refering to the Geneva convention. They do not cover terrorists organizations. Its about intra or inter state conflicts, not gloabl terrorism.

When these organizations have not signed the Geneva Convention they don't get to enjoy its protection. They have targeted civilians, and beheaded captives both are in countervention to the protical.

All of you questiong wheather Kahdar is guilty, here is a question, why was he found in Afganistan if he is 15 years old and a Canadian citizen...hmmm.


JJ
said

"I think it's time for Mr. Khadr to face justice in Canada." : Bob Rae. Please, ask Canadians how confidence they are in Canada justice system in the light of the Air India bombing.


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