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Date: Thu. Jun. 26 2008 11:13 PM ET

A Toronto comedian facing a B.C. Human Rights Tribunal hearing says offensive comments he made to two Vancouver lesbians were simply an attempt to stop them from heckling him on stage.

"I don't hate anybody based on their sexual orientation, or whatever, but I do hate hecklers and sometimes I get a little vehement," Guy Earle says in a radio interview posted on YouTube.

Earle said he was hosting a weekly open-mic night in a restaurant on March 22, 2007 when the two women moved up to the front of the audience and began swearing at him.

Earle said he asked them to stop and be quiet, but they refused. That's when he responded.

"I said, 'Come on, you're fat and ugly -- you're not even lesbian,'" the comedian said, adding he then made some remarks that had to do with oral sex and the use of a sex toy.

The exchange wasn't recorded but Earle admits that his response was brutal -- a tirade of derogatory comments targeting the women's sexual orientation.

"If anybody has seen my comedy, don't heckle me -- I get rude," Earle says in the interview.

The comedian says his comments were simply jokes, but most of the audience members left and started booing him.

When Earle got off the stage and walked past the women, one of them splashed a drink in his face.

Earle says he got back up on stage later to say goodnight and that when he walked past their table a second time, the same woman splashed another drink in his face and then stood in front of him as if she wanted to fight.

"I lost it for two seconds, and this is the part I do apologize for ... I pulled her sunglasses off her head, and right in front of her face, I broke them in half," says Earle, who admits he was "half-drunk" on vodka.

The comedian said when he showed up at the usual time the following week, there were picketers outside the restaurant, some holding signs that read, "Hate speech, not free speech."

Earle says Canadians are too politically correct.

"They pissed me off so I said some rude things. Does that mean I should go to court because ... they were based on some kind of minority or discrimination or something-something?"

The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal will decide whether Earle's comments, which the complainant Lorna Pardy claims were "homophobic," violated the Human Rights Code on the basis of her "sex and sexual orientation."

Earle is now looking for a lawyer and he's hoping his newfound fame might help pay his legal bills. He's planning a comedy fundraiser for next month.

A preliminary decision released this week says both parties are far apart in their recollections of the incident and the amount of alcohol involved.

With a report from CTV News' Rob Brown

Comments are now closed for this story

GK
said

It's all part of the risk you take when you scream out loud at a comedian. If you don't like what their saying, it's easier to leave. When you confront someone you should at least somewhat expect a response and chances are if it's a comedian at a night club, you won't like what they're going to say. Freedom of speech. Whatever happened to it, especially for a comedian whose job is to mostly make fun of and "rib" others.


Downey
said

Canadians are becoming worse and worse!!! Bring a comedian to course for being offensive! Come on! These people REALLY need to get a life and stop trying to ruin others. Shameful! I really hope this is not considered by the Human Rights Tribunal. It will make them an even bigger joke.


js
said

this is crazy. if you go to any comedy show and you heckle the comedians, expect the comedian to say something back and most will be rude remards. the canadian human rights should stay out of this. it happened at a club. i can if it was at work. what happened to free speech? so he called them names. big deal!! canadians have no sense of humour and run to the courts for any little thing. pathetic.


Vince M
said

The things we waste money on for people with hurt feelings.

Time to shut these wasteful witchhunts down for good.


KD
said

They better not waste any tax dollars on this.


Brock
said

This is rediculous. If you're going to heckle, then expect the comic to say something rude in return. I've been to many comedy clubs and none of the patrons who were picked on by the comic complained. They just went along with it and laughed. These women should grow up and the Human Rights should stay out of this.


RM
said

Here we go again with the Human Rights complaints. When are we going to rein in these commissions and stop punishing thought crimes.


Jj
said

"...Canadians are too politically correct."

Please. Canadians are not "too politically correct". Most of us are simply about not lower themselves through using below-the-belt-type comments just because someone angers them.

It's one thing to insult in general or to scream at a person. It is, however, an entirely different thing to draw out someone's sexual orientation and insult it.

Truth be told, there isn't a topic in the world that cannot be talked about and laughed at. But real comedians know how to deal with them. Earle needs to learn from the pros.

This is like Michael Richards redux.


Wayne
said

These human rights tribunals are turning into some sort of orwellian thought police and I for one think we should start getting rid of them as we have a criminal code let's start using it instead and if there is no crime involved well guess what folks there is no crime involved. Outlawing hate sppech is ridiculous I hate Human Rights Tribunals = is this legal?


Rob from the Peg
said

Welcome to Canada, true, north, strong and not free to say anything you want, even in a comedy club. It's nice to see our tax dollars hard at work over a situation that was instigated by the plaintiffs. Nice!


Mickey
said

Honestly, people need to learn the difference between a human rights abuse and obnoxious behaviour.
My kid spent a year away from school because his school could not offer disability support and he couldn't go to school without it. A year of his life was wasted. That is an abuse but it took the Ontario commission two years to get around to handling the complaint because people waste the commissions time with this garbage.


Ted
said

Comedians are supposed to be funny, you, fellow are not. Go back to where you can vent your anger properly. You need some quidance before you really loose it. Get a job while you are at it, cause funny you are not


marq65
said

Mark Twain anticipated idiots by coining this adage: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."


planejane
said

Don't heckle if you can't take the Jekyl... PERIOD.


hugh
said

Welcome to :Big Brother " and the "Thought Police".


Canuck Chuck
said

The Human Rights Tribunal is what's really laughable!


Dennis L. Krahn
said

A comedian is trying to earn a living.

If you have an employee that does not perform to your expectations he or she is dismissed for cause in a civilized fashion.

If you are at a show and do not find the dailogue amusing, get up and leave. Delivering an abusive critique will get you nowhere.

As for the comedian, his behaviour was also inappropriate; but not to the extent that a costly legal battle much at taxpayers expense should be initiated.

Some people in Canada seem to have lost their sense of direction and are spending more time travelling the low road rather than the high.





Alberta Believer
said

How many of you out there are Bob Marley fans?

He has a tune where he sings "Get Up Stand Up...Stand up for your rights."

Well its time for canadians who claim to stand up for people's rights globally, who cheered on black civil rights marchers, anti-apartheid marchers, and people resisting tyranny behind the Iron Curtain to stand up for rights here at home.

We need to start protesting these Star Chambers in front of parliament and the provincial legislatures, and engage in civil disobedience as did Ghandi and Martin Luther King. The next person facing one of these tribunal hearings should not go and risk the state trying to drag him there or jail him over it. I as a cop would be more than hesitant to carry out an order to jail someone who refuses a government order to explain his "words" in a free and democratic country.

Lets embarrass the government with "political prisoners" right here at home.

Yes it takes guts and fortitude and getting off our asses but look if we as Canadians could point to people like Rosa Parks a small woman who risked death more than 50 years ago in the south, we as a society could do so heer with no where near as much danger involved.


Jeff
said

This is a clear cut case of Freedom of Speech. If you don't like it, leave and ask for your money back. If people don't come to see him perform, he'll be out of a job and then forced to be quiet. But do not lay charges on the guy.


Johann
said

this is ridiculous. you go to a comedy show, don't pick on the performers..it's their job and many of them take it VERY seriously.

i wonder how those ladies would like it if someone went into their office and started harassing and interrupting their work duties, stopping them from performing to the best of their ability.
shameful.

i don't blame the comic at all.




Lart from Above
said

Comedians have the same rights of freedom of speech as everyone else. Canadians have the right to be protected from discrimination. Racist, sexist, and homophobic insults are discrimination, and being a comedian doesn't grant any special status. Comedians need to learn to do their jobs without violating the rights of others, just like newspapers, television stations, and everyone else speaking in public.


ARJAY
said

So when do we charge female comics for making anti-male remarks in their acts? Why are the provisions for equality only applicable in favour of women? Either shut down everyone's right to make offensive remarks, or apply the standards equally. What we have now is feminist sexism. Remember Andrew Dice Clay? His career was destroyed by feminist complaints. Who ever got to compain about female comics attacking men?


Kenton, Calgary
said

These tribunals are kangaroo courts at the best. Look into what is called "evidence", their budgets, their mandates and their targets. Then, if you still support the existence of these overpaid witch-hunts, never again open your mouth about other countries not affording defendants (and Canadian citizens) fair trials.


Constantly Amazed
said

Kudos to the comedian! In today's society, people (the hecklers) do things because they know the "law" will protect them. If those hecklers thought there were real and immediate repercussions (3 p.m at the monkey bars) to their actions, they would have remained silent and I wouldn't be sitting here wasting my time and energy responding to it!!!


Jason Daniel Baker
said

Rather interesting that this should come so close to the death of George Carlin.

As for heckling its like the old west isn't it?

Someone wants to see if their snarkiness measures up. If a comic can't come back with a biting quip that goes beyond being simply offensive they don't belong on the stage.

Our laws regarding hate speech are still evolving but I think we had the right idea when we started implementing them. I trust the wisdom of our courts.


Chris Campbell
said

It's one thing to talk back to a heckler, but it's quite another to talk back in a disparaging way that insults an entire group of people. This guy deserves the cost and humiliation of defending himself in court.

david
said

If you cant take adult comedy, then stay at home.


Trudy
said

Truth to tell, the planet doesn't need saving but peoples' sense of humour does.


Rob H
said

I lived in Vancouver for three years, moving back to Alberta 22 years ago, and I have to say, I miss the people and the City terribly, and return to visit several times per year. I was lucky enough to learn to understand and appreciate broader cultural values, including gay culture in a way that small town Alberta didn't allow me - however, when I read this sort of thing, and read about pointless carbon taxes, and other steps to impose their special standard of "correctness" by the B.C. facist left, it reaffirms that I made the right decision to live in Alberta. For those who have concerns over the increased thought-control of the left, I recommend "Liberal Facism" as a great read - amazingly well documented, and opens your mind to what facism really is - a consistent effort by the left to impose their standard of "perfect society" on everyone else, including the use of violence and the brutality of the state as tools to that end.. and if you think we're not in the middle of the development of a facist state, your deluding yourself.



Sorry to Say
said

What ever happened to not Booing and Heckling?
When I used to go to comedy acts, you could be escorted out for heckling or booing. It is in very bad taste, and those two women who purposefully went to the front to be a spectacle of dissent earned a scornful remark. I am not saying the remark was in good taste or called for, but neither were their actions, especially when on two separate incidents they further compounded the interaction by throwing drinks in his face.
This however is NOT worthy of a human rights complaint, and should be dealt with by banning all 3 participants from that venue.

Don
said

Comedians make fun of every part of life and our inabilities to deal with life can be very funny.
If you are not prepared to laugh at yourself and a comedian who may say something that hurts your fragile ego, then "get out of the kitchen".



Robin
said

FREEDOM OF SPEECH does not include making hateful or disparaging remarks directed specifically at a group of people. Those who believe that this is acceptable behaviour ...then clearly you are not as evolved as others. Hate is hate and it ain't funny.


Brian, gay in Vancouver
said

Give a break. People know when they go to shows like this there is the likelihood of offensive remarks being made. It's usually why people go to see a comedian. If you don't like what's being said then leave. And if you heckle then expect the person on the stage to respond. These two women should get over it. The comments were not part of his act but something said in the heat of the moment.


Mike
said

What a thumb-sucking nation we live in.

Government as soother.


Andrew Niland
said

Freedom of speech is a black and white issue. You either support the right to speech for opinions you disagree with, or even despise, or you do not support freedom of speech. You are left with "freedom to agree" with politically correct opinion. That's criminalizing thought. The ironically named "human rights" tribunal needs to be scrapped, it is a disgrace to the values of Canada.


CJW
said

Jj... yes, Canada has infact become too politically correct so much so that we can't express ourselves anymore.

We have become blind as a nation and we like to double speak everything.
We even at one point tried to re-write our own national anthem because
it was gender exclusive.. where does the BS end.


Ian
said

These people should go on a television call-in show. Then we could -all- call in and tell them what we think of them. I think that's a great idea, don't you?


Mark M
said

What an absolute waste of time. If the Human Rights even entertain looking at this complaint....

Good god, what if these two had been to an Andrew Dice Clay concert???


Earl Robert
said

They moved up to the front of the audience and began swearing at him and that's when he responded. It's simple, he should be charging them for interfering with his performance.




William F
said

Who does the human rights commission represent? Who's paying them? They certainly don't represent my views!


bobby
said

Never mind the gay thing - he called them "fat"! There are many more obese people who live in Canada than gays. He has offended many millions! Haul them in front of the HRC for that!

(sarcasm!)


Steve
said

meh, a lot of "comics" are just rude and vulgar. It's beyond me why people don't just leave. Why would you sit up front and heckle? Go somewhere else.
Don't waste my tax money making this "right".


Tare
said

These women asked for it by moving to the front of the audience. The comedian maybe could have chosen something less offensive, however if these women were already swearing and carrying on then who`s to say their comments didn`t offend someone.
This is ridiculous. We can`t have any fun anymore, everyone takes themselves way to seriously. Calm down, sit down, and RELAX. What the is comedy without rude, discriminatory, racist comments. ITS BORING. I can bet that if the comedian had offended two people sitting next to these women they would be laughing.



MP
said

Dear B.C. Human Rights Tribunal,
Please do not let your important role be diminished to the level of a feelings police. Please dismiss this complaint expeditiously and with publicly aired disapproval. The complainants willingly entered a public venue. A venue that carried a reasonable expectation that both the humour posed the potential for resentment and the result of heckling would illicit a directed and potentially embarassing response from the comic.


Normy
said

Woah! I went to a comedy club and got offended, and especially after I heckled the comedian! (sarcasm meter now off)

This is pitiful. Grow a thicker skin or stay out of the comedy clubs.. in a forum I'd like to stay polticially INCORRECT for pete's sake. I go there to laugh for crying out loud.


DAN
said

Half the role of being a comedian is stepping over the line when necessary, and heckling is a invitation to the have the comic thrash out at you. This is quite literally and figuratively a joke of a case, and it trivializes the whole notion of human rights to begin with to call it a hate crime. This nation is too politically correct.


pieinsky
said

Robin commented...

FREEDOM OF SPEECH does not include...

The phrase, [freedom of speech] followed by the phrase, [does not include]
sounds discordant to my ear.


Derek Braithwaite
said

Political correctness IS the death of comedy.


Mark
said

So much for the sticks and stones adage.

That this should find its way to a HRT is absolutely sickening. Canadians ought to be ashamed that our freedoms have regressed this far.


Marc
said

No better venue to waste time with this travesty, then in the kangaroo court of B.C. human rights tribunal. People need to learn to grow a spine. If these lesbians did not like the way they were being spoken to, the door swings both ways and they were free to leave.


Jerry Jarvela
said

This guy is getting punished under a "human rights" context for being an offensive jack-a## of a comedian? Andrew Dice Clay, watch out!

Why is it becoming so much more common for people to take it upon themselves to abuse these tribunals? It's utterly terrifying!

Where is the science, where are the statistics, that prove that these organizations should exist in their present form? Is it indicated in some official scientific treatise somewhere that the wounded feelings of comedy club patrons should require a parallel court of law, funded by millions of people who would probably tell these individuals to their faces, "GET OVER IT"???

Out of hand!!


wileyone
said

So let me get this right. 2 people heckled someone (umm insulted) then got upset when that person insulted them back (um heckled).
So who is to blame, the ladies who heckled in the first place or the person that heckled them back. This seems like a well planned out attack by these ladies to draw attention to their cause. It seems like they got what they wanted which is attention to their cause.
Some advice to everyone, dont insult someone/anyone if you dont want to be insulted back.
To me this seems like a carefully planned attack on the comedian, or else they were just waiting for the right time to bring their cause to light. We get it. Now onto something more important........


MRC
said

Ridiculous how everyone meddles in everything. If you don't like the comedian, stand up and walk out! That's what's been done for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time at comedy shows. Done that myself a couple times.

Adults can't complain to their mommy anymore, so I guess that's why we have Human Rights Tribunals to meddle in heckling at comedy shows...


Brian
said

Just a note but what about the comedians rights. He was heckled during his performance and twice had a drink thrown in his face. Maybe he should file an assult charge against the ladies.


Mike Harris
said

I guess there is no such thing as free speech in Canada. But that is what liberalism is all about, not hurting anyones feelings.


Guy
said

I suppose the drinks the patrons through in this comidians face can be construed as asault so who is the bigger person here. Come on people get a life

gunnar
said

Complaining about so-called "political correctness" is just code for wanting to continue being a a bigot and not get called on it.

CW
said

Give me a break. Here we go again with the Human Rights Commission. Like so many people have said...if you heckle the comedian expect to get it back.

They made a joke about a white guy on TV tonight! Maybe I should call the Human Rights Commission too!

Bradley Strider
said

Remember the bad old days, when comedians risked being punished for "obscene" and "offensive" routines? Like when Lenny Bruce got hounded into bankruptcy?

Yeah. Good thing we got past all that.

Oh wait...

WES HAGEL
said

WH
Go down to the courthouse and heckle the judge and see what happens. This comedian was angry not hateful and it seems that the conscience of good people is picking up on this human reality.
Comedians use the stuff of life and it is time we put our over- sensitivity to rest. We need more comedians and less tribunals!

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