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Date: Wed. Jun. 18 2008 5:53 PM ET

Canadians continue to suffer from a doctor shortage, according to a new report that found 1 in 5 people have not been able to find a physician to treat them regularly.

A Canadian Community Health Survey (CCHS) released Wednesday found that more than four million Canadians are without a doctor, either because they have not found a family physician to take them on, or because they have not looked for one.

This proportion was up by 3 per cent since the 1996/1997 National Population Health Survey.

"The overall picture of the study is that we're not doing as well as we need to do in the whole picture," said Dr. Brian Day with the Canadian Medical Association. "A 26,000 doctor shortage falls short of the average of other developing countries."

The survey also concluded that Canadians are not necessarily healthier than they were a couple of years ago. Then again, they're not worse off either.

Since 2005, obesity rates among Canadians have not changed, according to the report. Nor have the number of Canadians who smoke.

This is despite drastic changes in those health categories in previous years.

The report was based on a comprehensive survey of 65,000 Canadians throughout 2007.

Doctor shortage

Although four million Canadians reported not having a doctor, 78 per cent of those people --or $3.3 million individuals -- reported having somewhere to go when they fall ill.

The majority of people (64 per cent) went to a walk-in clinic for treatment, while others sought help in hospital emergency rooms or a community health centre. About 14 per cent of people chose to use telephone health lines or hospital outpatient clinics.

Almost one-quarter of rural residents said they would go to an emergency room compared with eight per cent of urban dwellers.

The study also found that more men than women reported not having a regular doctor.

Almost one-fifth of men (19 per cent) over the age of 12 are without a doctor and most of them admitted they have not looked for one.

However, as people get older the more likely they were to find a doctor.

Only five per cent of seniors aged 65 or older reported not having a doctor. Only two per cent had not looked for one.

The survey found that people who are in a low socio-economic brackets were most likely to not have a regular health resource.

"Individuals living in the households with the lowest incomes were less likely than those in higher-income households to have a regular doctor," the survey says. "Individuals in low-income households were also more likely not to have looked for a doctor."

Dr. Day called the situation a "medical crisis" on Canada AM Wednesday.

"There is a medical crisis in training of doctors here in Canada," he said. "We need to do a lot more. We're well short of being self-sufficient when there is a doctor shorgate."

Also, the survey found that aboriginal people were less likely to have a regular doctor than non-aboriginal people.

Smokers not quitting

Despite government-imposed smoking bans and a heightened social stigma, the number of Canadians who smoke has not decreased over the last couple of years, the report says.

The report, released by Statistics Canada on Wednesday, shows the number of Canadians who smoke has remained steady since 2005. This is despite the fact that there was a drastic reduction in the number of smokers from 2000 to 2005.

The survey showed that 22 per cent of people over the age of 12 smoked in 2007, either as a regular habit or on occasion. The numbers were the same in 2005.

While the numbers don't show an increase of smokers, doctors say this is a negative finding.

"The concern is that this number was going down," said. "It's a negative finding because previously the rates had been dropping."

Adults between the ages of 20 and 44 were the ones who more likely to light up as 28 per cent of the age group reported being habitual or occasional smokers.

Smoking rates for both men and women under the age of 20 were similar, the study says. However, for each successive age group, more men smoked than women.

Across the country, Ontario (21 per cent) and British Columbia (18 per cent) reported the lowest smoking rates -- below the national average in fact.

Smoking rates in Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan and Quebec were significantly higher than the national average.

The threat of obesity

Maintaining a healthy weight continues to pose a challenge for many Canadians, though the rate of obesity has remained steady over the years.

According to the study, 16 per cent of the adult population or four million people reported data that put them in the obese category. Another eight million people or 32 per cent are considered overweight.

Rates of both obesity and overweight were similar to those in 2005 except for the fact that there was a slight increase in the number of women between 18 and 24 who are considered obese. There was also a decrease in the number of male seniors who were overweight.

However, Statistics Canada said Canada's obesity problem could be worse that it appears to be.

"Because of the tendency of respondents to over-report their height and under-report their weight, it is likely that these figures from the CCHS underestimate the actual prevalence of obesity and overweight," the report says.

Nonetheless, the study found that obesity rates were the lowest among adults between the ages of 18 and 24 however men aged 25 to 44 were more likely to be obese compared to women in the same age group.

The study didn't focus on childhood obesity rates but Day said that is where most of the concern lies.

"There is concern because obesity is associated with an increase in chronic disease but the other concern is that there's alarm because of an increase of obesity in young people and children," Day said.

Once again, B.C. residents are the healthiest Canadians when it comes to weight control as only 11 per cent of adults in the province are obese.

The highest rates of obesity were recorded in Saskatchewan, Alberta and Atlantic Canada. Newfoundland and Labrador residents were the worst off, reporting 22 per cent of adulthood obesity.

Obesity has been linked with a multitude of health problems including Type 2 diabetes and heart disease.

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Garry, The Two R'd Wonder
said

Maybe if we didn't make Doctors from other countries who immigrate here go to school all over again we wouldn't have this issue.

Let's let more Doctor's in this country!!


Greg in the Hammer
said

So much for our superior universal health care.


bobby
said

In Europe, the public health care system lives alongside a private one. Canada, however, emulates North Korea and Cuba whose leaders themselves do NOT use their own public systems. Castro had a Spanish doctor and equipment flown in when he needed it.

The everyday Cuban has no access to similar privileges. Does anyone remember how Chretien flew to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota when HE needed treatment? Or Paul Martin's doctor working outside our own public system?

Remember Orwell's ANIMAL Farm? All animals are equal - but some animals are more equal than others, eh?


Michelle from N. Ontario
said

Our health care crisis is a joke. This country is embarrassing. And Canadians are fed up - or at least every Canadian I know.

We build our hospitals with multi-use rooms even though studies show that single-use rooms are proven to decrease the spread of infection.

We do not train enough doctors and we let qualified doctors from other countries sit idle while we try and figure out how to "license" them.

We are facing a nursing shortage.

We are slow to embrace multi-disciplinary clinics that rely on the use of RPN's and other medical practitioners to offset the demand on Doctors.

We do not give our pharmacists enough power to deal with patient concerns that they are MORE than capable of addressing.

We do not focus enough energy and resources on preventative care measures across the board.

And I'm sure there are a few more things that could be said...

But what is all boils down to is that those that need access to health care the most are going to have the hardest time getting it. And we are going to reach a level of panic that we never thought possible.

And I say this as my Northern Ontario community loses more Doctors to early retirement and relocation; and while we still cannot manage to recruit new Doctors to this area.

I know it will get worse but I don't even want to think about it.

These issues are solely the responsibility of the professional who are "trained and educated" enough to understand the situation affecting our health care but apparently lack the intelligence to plan ahead and develop strategic plans to avoid problems. Incompetence!



Boo boo clinics?
said

The biggest problem with our health care system are the people who clog up the system with silly boo boos, crying for attention instead of dealing with it themselves. If we had a $20 drop fee it would alleviate a lot of wasted resources.

Maybe we could have boo boo clinics run by interns who could process zillions of these incidental issues and save the hospitals for the real cases which require medical help.




DD
said

Greg...that's 4 million without a doctor...not 4 million without access to health care. They still get to see a doctor at ERs or free clinics (there are several in my city and the people I know who use them find the care more than adequate with little waiting).

In the US, almost 50 million have no health care coverage at all. And those that do get health care only if approved by a paper pusher...so even if your doctor says you need an MRI...if your insurance doesn't think so, you don't get it. I'd rather wait a few months for an MRI knowing I will get it than have to wait for a paper pusher to decide if it fits into their profit margin.

Universal health care isn't perfect, but it's a far cry from what the Americans put up with.

Health care for profit. It boggles the mind that they do put up with that.


B. Gray
said

Stunning statistic, but not suprising.

The tragedy is that the system will require more money to sustain less and less. Imagine what we could do to help people by focusing on preventative medicine other than reactive care. People would live longer, and it would likely cost less to help those prevent ailments versus treating them after the fact.

But addressing the doctor shortage. Here's an idea. University Grads - Canada pays for your medical schooling (provided you graduate) and then we get to place you whereever we need you for 10 years after you get out of school. Your not saddled with debt, and we have better care for our people...

Hmm, logic.


DD
said

Bobby...my cousin had a rare condition. She was flown to the Mayo Clinic for treatment. Just because we hear about the care some politicians get doesn't mean the average Canadian doesn't.

Do you think all Americans get the same level of care that Kennedy is getting now for his condition? Many Americans would be sent home to die.




Allan Eizinas
said

“Survey finds 1 in 5 Canadians can't find a doctor”. I am not surprised since 4 out of 5 Canadians can’t find the right spouse.

Surveys do play an important part in our society. A recent nation wide survey found that 5 out of 5 Canadians will eventually die.



Andy
said

Medicare in this country is broken. Someone please tell that to Michael Moore.


Rocket
said

We consider ourselves extremely lucky to even have a family doctor. He works considerably reduced hours since returing from stress leave, so we value every minutes of his time we can get. The clinic he works at, which has several other doctors and all of whom rotate seeing walk-in clients, has recently implemented policies to charge for everything other than primary care.

For example, a doctors note (for a sick day that the boss wants) is a few dollars. Filling out forms is a few dollars. Signing something (like a passport photo?) is a few dollars. Essentially the clinic wants us to leave them a credit card number or sign up for an annual "plan" that covers all these expenses for a fee. A sign of the times, I guess. It almost feels like we now have to pay for the privilege to see our doctor.


MP.
said

After my family doc retired about 5 years ago, I simply go to a walk-in clinic which serves my purpose just fine.


Jim
said

Not only is it difficult to find a doctor, but the ones there are don't want patients with multiple medical problems!

My mother has a number of medical issues, from diabetes to ostio-reumitoid arthritis, and it was impossible for here to find a doctor that wanted to deal with all of those complications.

We pay docotors pretty well. Shouldn't we expect them to provide care to all citizens?


C.
said

Considering that western medecine is nothing more than "pill pushing" and it doesn't cure anything but causes more diseases, for which they also have pills, I think it's a good thing. 1.More people will have to take responsibility for their own health by educating themselves and 2.they wil have to go see health practitionners in the "natural field" ( homeopath, naturopath etc..)which actually cures the causes of the disease instead of attempting to repress the symptoms.
The reason why foreign docs can't pratice here before being brainwashed by the western med mafia? Because most of them are actually trained to heal, not to keep their "cash cow" from dying.
Nothing better for your health than to stay away from these profiteers.


Parent of Wannabe Med Student
said

I don't have a problem with allowing more foreign trained doctors in, BUT, I feel we should be training more of our own doctors as well. We have a lot of very deserving students in this country that want to go to Med School but can't because there are not enough spaces. This is sad.


Doctor-less
said

I live in a Sask., community of about 16,000 people. We have five doctors to serve all those people. I had a doctor here, who recently left Canada to go to the USA because the pay was better for her, leaving me without a doctor.

There are many ways this problem could be solved, but the government is too greedy.
Lower the costs for an education in health care. I don't know how much it costs to go through for a doctor/sugeon, etc., but it's pretty intensive so I imagine it's expensive.
Charge them half the cost of what it is now. Recruit from other countries (as long as they speak English), pay better for nurses. I have a friend who is a nurse and makes barely more than I do working in the media.

Don't put so much pressure on them. My friend who is a nurse, often work's 18 hour shifts, works days then nights, nights then days, etc., etc.

This is obviously going to become a crisis in the very near future. But I suppose as long as our government is well taken care of, nothing else matters.

And to blame smoking/obesity on the lack of doctors? Give me a break.


Steve
said

Does anyone still believe that our "universal" healthcare system is the best in the world? Give me a break! We need to stop worrying about an "American style" system, and start looking at the public-private systems that are so successful in Europe. Change in this country is being resisted by a vocal minority of people with a vested interest in dumping more money into the status quote - at the expense of average Canadians who endure long waiting lists and poor primary care.


Jason Daniel Baker
said

Be thankful for the system we have. It is the best in the world.

I don't care that Jack Layton and other hypocrites like Martin and Chretien have used private healthcare.


Deb
said

Without a regular GP, people are only going to clinics when they need acute care for something. This is a disaster waiting to happen. A GP can provide counsellings on diet, general health and regular required checkups like prostate and PAP tests!! Without these, we are only going into a clinic once our symptoms indicate advanced illnesses in some cases. What a shame!!


Pat_Pending
said

I think our system is excellent, and this report underlines it. As the report points out:

"Almost one-fifth of men (19 per cent) over the age of 12 are without a doctor and most of them admitted they have not looked for one.....Only five per cent of seniors aged 65 or older reported not having a doctor. Only two per cent had not looked for one."

In short, what this study REALLY shows is, IF YOU LOOK FOR A DOCTOR, YOU WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY FIND ONE.

As for "private" health care system meeting our needs - just ask the 50 MILLION people in the US who have no doctor, no health insurance, nothing. The "private" health care system in Europe is a misnomer - they are not private sector in anything like the traditional sense and are much closer to our system than the US system. Private health care is an expensive and "sick" (literally) joke.


TommyGunn
said

You can thank each provincial medical association for not allowing these foreign docs/specialists from not being certified. The docs that are in already are being greedy with their marketshare.


ARJAY
said

Problems with our health care system began back in the late 70's when the federal government decreased transfer payments to the provinces because of growing deficits in the budget. Provincial governments cut back, and slowly the system began to deteriorate. We did have a workable system here for years until that happened.

But now we are faced with two overwhelming problems: an aging population with more health concerns, and increasingly expensive treatments using incredibly expensive machinery. These problems are affecting every country, not just Canada. In the States, you can get the top treatment available anywhere- if you can pay for it. Here you can usually get excellent care, without having to wait too long. I've had two operations, my wife one, my mother two and my daughter one over the last 20 years- never had to wait, never paid a cent. My Americans friends are green with envy.
Michael Moore may have exaggerated in some ways, but his essential message about the crisis in American helth care is correct. Don't listen to John McCain's rhetoric - he's just a shill for the insurance companies, who are doing very well off the system there. Ultimately, there are some things like health care and education that just work better on a public basis.


Chris
said

Once again, we have comments and stories on here from whiners and complainers about our healthcare system. Well, that's Canadian I suppose.

People, I don't care how you feel about Michael Moore, but watch the documentary SICKO. You think our healthcare system is bad... well after watching this doc you'll change your mind pretty damn quick. Oh and Bobby, this documentary totally proves your comment about Cuba wrong!!!


Canadian IMG
said

I am a Canadian university graduate who could not get into medical school in Canada with a 3.8 GPA. I am currently in a European medical school (taught in English) and at the top of my class. This is such a shame but a reality. As an IMG planning to return to Canada, I will face a lot of obstacles. I remain optimistic that Canadian IMG's will be face fewer obstacles upon their return to Canada than what they do now.


Craig
said

"There are many ways this problem could be solved, but the government is too greedy."

The real reason there is a porblem is because whenever a government comes up with an idea to imrpove the system, or tries to start something new; the public immediately overreacts.

The protestors come out and complain about "Americanized Health Care" no matter what is being proposed. If innovation and change was actually encouraged instead of pretending to wrap yourself in the Canadian flag everytime a solution was suggested, maybe we'll have had the answer a long time ago.


IAN
said

Despite all the propaganda the Canadian health care system is failing so many and according to Dr. Day, in this report, it is particularly failing those in the lower income bracket, those who our so liberal minded politicians say it is set up to help the most. Hypocrites.


Madashell
said

To "Michelle from N. Ontario" I totally agree with you. I too am from Northern Ontario, where we have "lost" two Doctors! Now, hopefully, we will be taken on by a RPN, here's hoping. Seems that our Politicians can't see and have not seen for a long time, the writing on the wall. We are in for a real health crisis if something is not done soon about the shortages of Doctors and Nurses. Those professionals work so very hard and all the Politicians do is expect more and more from them, even as their numbers decline! The Feds need a good d**n shake up but I won't hold my breath just yet!


Wannabe Med Student
said

With respect to the suggestion of just charging less tuition for health care professional programs, that is not the issue at all. The issue is that there aren't enough spaces available in medical schools in Canada and despite the fact that there are many bright and talented students interesting in becoming doctors, they just can't get into medical school because of the few number of seats.

Also, the article isn't blaming smoking and obesity on the lack of physicians, they're merely emphasizing the fact that with such high proportions of people in this country who smoke and/or are obese, we are going to have a large population requiring a lot of medical care in the future and there just aren't enough physicians in Canada to manage the increasing needs.


Daniel D
said

So what is the USA really like compared to us? It sounds like they often know their doctors contact number and can see her/him right away? Yes I have a doctor, but I call it today and see him in 5-6 weeks - long after I have forgotten about my medical concern. My last trip to Florida ... I pulled out my credit card and was immediately seen by a specialist!


Laura Langstaff
said

Here in BC, our monthly payments don't guarantee access to services, they only guarantee access to a waiting line. But should one fail to pay a monthly installment payment, they have never accepted my requests that they wait in my waiting line of creditors. Then once you get to see a doctor, you need to make sure they know how to coordinate a medical file horizontally, which means you need to ask, are you capable of following through with another specialist, and ensure that someone is the single point of contact for all data, to ensure appropriate completion of forms and applications for say disability pensions.


Munro - Brampton
said

I live in Brampton. A few years ago a friend came to live with us and my doctor is not able to see him. He is having no luck so far. From what we can see here in Brampton, there are now so many 'new' Canadians that people who were born here don't have access to a family doctor. But the government keeps bringing in 747 plane loads of people from India, with no end in sight. Oh...and the new hospital in Brampton, these new people think the emergency room is a walk-in clinic. What a joke. My sister recently had to wait 6 hours !, because all these people come in with the flu or a sore back. This is a bad situation.


Jogith
said

Nice going Canada. When we have thousands of well qualified foreign doctors working as janitors and gas station attendants one needs to ask why we are short of doctors? Is it because they are idiots and can’t be trained to serve Canadian? No, habitual bigotry by Canadian Medical Council has raised barriers to stall any progress in meeting social welfare needs of the nation. Until CMC’s change their policies Canadians will suffer.


LDL
said

Hopefully someone will correct me here if I'm wrong, but don't we as taxpayers subsidize Universities to some extent ? Don't we subsidize or pay the bills for Hospital where young doctors in training learn ?
Then off to the U.S. they go thank-you-very-much, to make more money !...What's wrong with that picture ?


Martin-with-no-Doctor
said

So true... you know, I'm a proponent of redisribution of riches and the idea of universal health care is nice but I can't find a doctor either. I also make 200 grand a year in my field. It's ridiculous.

Perhaps free universal hospitals would be fine but let's get a system like the U.S. for permanent doctors. I'd rather pay $700/month (deductible of my income tax) and have some access.


2_Tear_System
said

If you were a PM golfing
with a Doctor...
No problems...
See me Monday and we'll operate.

My self,I flew to the US,paid nearly $40K
for an operation only available in the US
and then flew home
all at my expense.

Sorry about the rest of you less fortunate
public health care users.




Doug BC
said

This is not news.It has been on the agenda for several years.I've given up looking.My family doctor retired after a heart attack and even he tried to find help for his patients.
Foreign trained doctors should be able to practise.AFTER they meet the same standard as those who trained in Canada.NOT BEFORE.The solution CANNOT be lowering the quality of care.
And finally,to those who think comparing our system to that in the USA is helpful,you are being to shortsighted and are part of the reason nothing gets done to improve our universal system.
Duh!! Hello!! There are lots of people who think we can do better with the same amount of money.But almost no one is advocating for a change to the USA example.Please,move into the 21st century and open your minds.
Change DOES NOT mean going to a USA style of health care.Until most Canadians get that into their narrow minded skulls,our system will coninue to see rising costs and declining service.
North Korea,Cuba,and Canada.All with the same expensive and inferior systems.THIS is supposed to be something to boast about? Give me a break.


Reece
said

"So much for our superior health care" - what a load of bunk. Do you know 50 million Americans are without health care? That is more than the entire population of Canada. Did you know that many of those very Americans used to believe in private health care but soon were laid off from their jobs and lost their benifits and eventually their homes to pay for crippling medical bills.

I've always said: the few that are pro-conservative are eventually laid off or retire....almost everyone becomes a liberal when they find themselves without a job and coupled with deteriorating health. Human nature is all about being a hypocrite and exploiting for selfish gain until you face an obstacle and then you find yourself predictably singing another tune to fit your new and pressing immediate needs.

My problem isn't finding a doctor because I do have one - my problem is finding a doctor that is competent.


Marie
said

I live in a fairly small city in New Brunswick, grew up here my whole life, in fact. After going overseas to teach, I returned with my husband because I wanted to share my great country with him.

4 years later, we have a 4 year-old, a 3 year-old, and a 10-month old. Two of them were born in the hospital here. None of us has a doctor. If we are sick, we have two options: 1) call the local clinic and be offered an appointment in a couple of weeks (not very convenient when you have a sick child); or 2) take your child to the ER, wait for 2-7 hours (speaking from experience), and see a doctor who often says a fever of 105 in an infant is "just a number, no great concern, probably just fighting off some sort of bug". So then you treat at home with something OTC, only to have the fever spike again a week or so later. Meanwhile, as I was sitting through one of my ER waits, I watched a young man (mid-20s) walk out of the ER, unwrap his freshly slung arm, and laugh as he used his "injured arm" to wave to his buddy that he got a doctor's note to get off work. At that point, frustrated at having sat their for 4 hours already with a child who had been sent home from daycare because of a fever and vomiting, I asked the receptionist how much longer we had. She said, "There are still quite a few in front of you; it's prioritized: worst comes first." I walked out, took the next two days off work (at my expense, and had a displeased boss) to nurse my son back to semi-health with broth, Tylenol, cool baths, etc. P.S.- We were back at the clinic a week later with the same symptoms.

We keep getting sicker as our system gets weaker and weaker. It is frustrating and disheartening to think that I was proud of this...


Carolina
said

We can't overburden the doctors that we do have with little niggly nuisances. My friend will go see her doctor for any time she "doesn't feel good"! She doesn't leave with a prescription, just a pat on the back. I've gone to work with broken toes, cracked ribs, anything but fevers or flus, because there are no treatments for those things that a doctor can do that I can't do myself. Common sense isn't common. Save the doctors for real problems. Take care of yourself first.


Go beyond the headline, people!
said

Does anybody read more than just the headline before posting a comment?

A few brief quotes: "four million Canadians are without a doctor, either because they have not found a family physician to take them on, or because they have not looked for one". Hmm....so I wonder how many people CANNOT find a doctor, versus how many DID NOT TRY to find a doctor?

Read on: "3.3 million individuals reported having somewhere to go when they fall ill" So, the headline could equally well have read "1 in 28 Canadians report not having anywhere to go when they fall ill". But that wouldn't have been nearly as attention-grabbing now, would it?

Read on: "most of them [men over age 12] admitted they have not looked for one". Hmmm. And "five per cent of seniors aged 65 or older reported not having a doctor. Only two per cent had not looked for one.". So, the headline could also have read "1 in 10 Canadians do not have a doctor because they haven't looked for one". That headline probably wouldn't have attracted 35 comments.....

You can lead people to information, but you can't make them read....




Draven
said

You can't call health care free if it is non-existent. Waiting 6 months to get an MRI is a death sentence for a large number of people. I now live in the US and it may be true that people may not have health insurance, but in any case that someone needs health care it is NEVER denied, with or without insuance, you still get care in a timely manner (even for the illegal aliens). I am far happier with my pay as I use system rather than pay my whole life whether I need it or not, I hope all of you supporters of the universal "care" you receive enjoy the strangling taxes you have to pay for that trash of a health system, and I hope for your sake you never have to rely on it for a life or death diagnosis.


Chuck in northern ontario
said

I blame the DOCTORS!!! They wanted to eliminate their competition.

This whole doctor shortage was created by the doctors themselves! They decreased medschool enrollment and residency spots in the 80's to suit their own needs. They also are responsible for blocking foreign-trained docs from getting trained.

Doctors get paid per patient - so there is no incentive to create more doctors to compete with them. This way they can corner the government into giving them more money and power.

Canadian doctors are already the highest paid in the world. My cousin is an internist in Washington and makes $130K/yr while an internist in Ontario makes at least $250/yr.

Many parents dont complain so much because they ALL believe their genious kids will be doctors and make them rich.

I strongly support universal health care but the government must care more about the recipients of healthcare and less about the providers.

God bless Canada!


Kim
said

Not surprised at all. We moved to Winnipeg 6 years ago. My husband and I just found a doctor ( 30 kms out of the city). My kids finally had a pediatrician in a different small town ( 20 kms out of the city), but he just left Canada for the USA . He said , "he couldn't afford to live here anymore". He also said " he would give me a cut of his finders fee if I could find more doctors to leave and go to the hospital he is now working at".
I have tried everywhere to find a doctor accepting new patients, its impossible here. My son and husband both have ADHD, and there is no one to help. My husband and I are actually considering buying US health insurance and finding a doctor across the border. The 2 hr drive is looking like a better option for us at the moment.
I would also like to comment on the schools here in Canada, we know 2 young men that have been trying to get accepted into the doctors programs. One was the top of his class and volunteered for 3 years at Children's Hospital, the other one traveled all over the world volunteering and they still can't get into the program.


Nidhi
said

It is really frustrating but the gorvernment/Universities won't do anything in this regard as it is being paid by ISRs (internationally sponsored Residents), as you you would be surprised to know that there is more than 800 doctors nationwide only from Saudi Arabia, and they keep teasing us that our country, Canada, is not treating us like them because their governments pay for their positions, and this is really frustrating. They get their residency position because their governments simply "Buy" the residency Sports in Canada and leave IMGs struggle finding other spots.


Craig
said

LDL - you are correct. In Alberta, at last estimate about 75% of tuition is subsidized by the government.


jj
said

DD says:

"In the US, almost 50 million have no health care coverage at all."

FALSE! Just like here, anyone entering an hospital emergency room MUST be treated by law - even illegal immigrants!

"I'd rather wait a few months for an MRI knowing I will get it".

I hope you do not have an expanding cancer tumour while you are waiting patiently for that MRI!


bobby
said

DD says:

"Do you think all Americans get the same level of care that Kennedy is getting now for his condition? Many Americans would be sent home to die."

Senator Ted Kennedy - the man who legislatively introduced HMOs to the US public? It is to laugh!


Mike Webster
said

@Jason Daniel Baker....Our system is hardly the best in the world. With 4 million people without a family doctor and wait times for critical treatments that make doctors cringe, our system is mediocre at best. Part of the problem is that some people are under the delusion that we have free healthcare in this country. We have nothing of the sort. We pay a whopping amount of money in taxes for our healthcare system. 50 cents out of every tax dollar paid to the Ontario government, not to mention the health tax, goes to covering healthcare costs. A sizeable chunk of federal tax dollars is also added to that total. the truth is that we have quite an expensive healthcare system and until people realize that, they will continue to abuse the system. They will continue to clog emergency rooms with non-emergency cases and will continue to seek diagnostic tests and other treatments that are not really necessary. Some people aren't able to put a value on something unless they understand the cost.


WhatsUpDoc
said

FYI Pat_Pending I have LOOKED FOR A DOCTOR ON A DAILY BASIS AND I MOST CERTAINLY HAVE NOT FOUND ONE. What suggestions do you have for my husband and myself who have been without a Doctor for over 4 years?? I am disgusted when each pay I know I am paying a deduction for a bogus health care premium that I do not benefit from. So Pat, I'm sorry I do not share your views that our system is excellent.


Tim Martindale.
said

This shortage has seriously gotten out of hand. I live in a city with 90,000 people and 12% of us can't find a dr DO THE MATH!!!! Once a month I have to spend around $400.00 round trip to go back to the city I came from to see my dr because I can't find one here either. Clinic's can only do so much and the wait line here is out the door no word of a lie. I for one think this issue is by far more important than the high price of gas we're getting sucked in to buying.


Waiting for care
said

Universal Health Care sucks. The docs don't get paid well enough. You wait too long for an appointment. MRI scheduled in 4 weeks. I need it now. I'm hurting!! I'm going to the States. I wish we would use their system. Mike Moore, no he's not all correct. He was talking about HMO. Not all the others. United Healtcare and BC/BS are the best for them. I have family in U.S. They have it made. Their docs are not gov't paid.


Lets_do_something
said

Two Words - Personal Control

Forget the American system, we are comparing a high 30 best system to another.

What Canadians want is access to a system without going broke.

My suggestion is get the government out of health care steps taken:
1. Government turns into an insurance provider to make sure everyone gets access.
2. Lower taxes that reflect 50% of the health care costs
3. Everyone gets a health card were they have a threshold limit of their choice and income level. So the very poor has a deductible of $200.00. The rich may choose a higher deductible limit say an upper limit of $10K but have a lower personal tax rate. All health care costs are paid out of personal cash per year until the upper limit is reached at which point insurance kicks in.
4. Sell all the public hospitals to private companies while maintaining inspections similar to food. Allow for gross incompetent lawsuits.
5. The use of the government insurance can be used any were including other countries, but have enough deductible in place to force individuals to find the lowest costs.
6. The personal deductible will be cost neutral from the government but it forces personal responsibility of health as well finding the most efficient providers.
7. This allows more money/revenue for doctors. As well it provides room to use other health care professionals in differing situations at a lower costs. A GP makes ~100K per year. Why would you want to be a doctor when you can go into sales and make as much if not more. These people are professionals in the highest sense, I think they are worth more like $350K+

GM
said

I used to go to clinics but got tired of being prescribed penacillin reguardless of what was wrong. Had negative reactions twice (different doctors) because of the viral infection I had. And these reactions forced me to go to an emergency room.

CanDoPublicHealthCare
said

No one's choices are being limited by preventing two tiered health care from being implemented in Canada.

Any Canadian with the excess money who wants to buy health care services is free to "queue jump" by going to the U.S. or other countries that have purely for profit health care.

I'm glad we have public universal health care.

It is not a perfect system but everyone can contribute to improving it.

here are a few suggestions....

1) don't go to a doctor, clinic or particularly an emergency room with every little complaint -it is not "free" and frivolous use overburdens the system
Educate yourself about what is an immediate danger to life and limb and what can wait. Take more responsibility for you health (ie prevention, live well)

2) governments must focus more money on doctors, nurses and other professionals and less for administrators, boards etc. Every foreign trained health care professional should be employed in their field without unnecessary delay. Buddy them up with a Canadian trained partner for a period of time. E.G if you need three nurses on a shift, allow one to be foreign trained. after some sensible time frame to ensure their skills are at par, let them practice freely.

3) set up more walk in "triage" clinics.
Co-locate at least one clinic along side each Hospital emergency room. Only patients being brought by ambulance would be admitted directly to emergency. Others would go to the triage clinic. Allow the clinic to treat anything that would not normally result in admission to hospital.
Patients that require hospital treatment can be sent by triage to the emergency room at any time the triage team decides it is required.

Ian Yellowknife
said

If you think its hard to find a Doctor then try being in a Spouse in Military family and moving between 1 and 3 years as we have. This is a major PITA (Pain In The A_ _) Knowing we were to be posted July 08, I asked to be scheduled for a Colonoscopy in 07. We are leaving in three weeks and not a word. Now I'm off to Ottawa and after finding a Doctor then a Specialist and going to the back of the line I might as well wait to just see the Mortician. There is No Life Like It after all.

DWB
said

It's a commie system. Same as North Korea.

Not surprising, we had one bunch of commies before Mike Harris, who actually believed in freedom, and now we have another bunch telling us how to live our lives just like Soviet commies.

Michelle from N. Ontario
said

To: Go beyond the headline, people!

I live in Sault Ste Marie. There are thousands of people on the wait list for a family doctor. Most of my friends have to wait at the hospital to get any treatment, renewals on medication, notes for work (otherwise, they are told they will be fired) etc.

We are also going to be losing some doctors this year to early retirement, personal issues, or relocation. Meanwhile, we can't seem to attract any NEW doctors!

We are in the process of building a new hospital but many people lament the fact that, "Ya, we will have a new hospital. So what!? If we don't have any doctors to staff it!"

I am personally lucky to have a GP but many of my friends are not lucky. And if God forbid my Doctor ever wanted to close her practice I'd be added to the growing list of those waiting for a family doctor.

The situation is a shame. And it's embarrassing that we extol the virtues of universal health care when we are clearly in a health crisis, have been for some time and the resolutions are too slow in coming.

We can't blame the current crisis on doctors, or people who do not take good care of their own health (ie. continue to smoke or drink when their doctors have made it very clear that their medical conditions are worsening to do their lifestyle choices etc). The problem is multi-faceted and requires more proactive solutions than what politicians are currently coming up with.

We need to recognize all the issues that have contributed to this current crisis and develop a plan of attack that will address everything!

To many people it's very simple:

1) Educate the public. A lot of medical issues can be avoided if people actually took better care of their bodies. And it would certainly free up room for those that actually require medical attention.

2) Provide opportunities for preventative care. There are holistic approaches that can benefit a patient. We should stop treating only symptoms and focus on root causes of various ailments. It just MAKES SENSE!

3) Start immediately training more doctors (and give them financial perks!) It's a shame that some of our best and brightest go to school in the US or Europe because they can't get into school here!

4) Figure out what to do with foreign trained doctors. They are trained. We need them. USE THEM! It's what we call a "no brainer"

5) Utilize pharmacists and other health care professional in a more effective manner and empower them to help tackle the problems!

6) Build health care centers properly and take into effect that proper building architecture can have a positive impact on the welfare of patients. (Macleans just released an article about this.)

7) Encourage more students to go into nursing. It's a critical field! Perhaps, provide more gov't bursaries to help cover costs.

There are so many solutions available, and yes they will cost money. We need to take a different approach with the system and make the patients the priorities and focus on creating more streamlined, efficient systems.

It's only going to get worse otherwise.

M. Cameron
said

This is not news. Enough of talking about the problem and more acting on a solution!

Andy
said

For all you people waiting for MRI please read this. My girlfriend went to the doctor with knee problem, they took an X-Ray and found a shadow on the bone. They told her she would need an MRI to determine if it was a bone spur or possibly cancer.

Since she is a waitress and needs the use of both legs to work(she does not work for IHOP) we called the Royal Victoria in Montreal who told us it would take at least six month for an MRI. We went to a private clinic paid 600 dollars to have it done in three days. (It was a bone spur) The Royal Victoria hospital call us back a year later to say they finally had room for her. (I told them she died of cancer and hung up) Thank God I pay all those tax dollars for a broken Medicare system

Cory
said

Alright, since Canadians simply must compare their health system with the US you must understand a few things. First the Canadian system is pretty good at distributing general care to the public. When it comes to specialized care, they are lacking. In the US we are really good and specialized care, expensive yes, but really good at it. On the other hand we are terrible at distributing general care. This is the battle between public and private medicine. Both have their drawbacks. Most Americans realized the immense benefit us, along with most of the world, reap from the innovation that comes from our private system. What we don't like is the huge cost shouldered by the patient. Somehow the two need to be rectified. I do believe that a system that retains US style innovation, quality (and I stress quality) universal access and affordable cost for all is achievable. Maybe the US will come up with it first, or Canada, or some other place. But in any case this should be our goal.


Susan from Alaska
said

For those of you that think the US system is the answer you better look again. I am a Canadian living in the US and looking forward to returning home! Yes I have health insurance in the States, but you have to fight to have them pay. They won't pay this or that as it is above customary charges which no can tell you what is customary is for the area you are in. Doctors are wanting to be paid up front as they are tired of dealing with the insurance companies. Do you got a spare $25000 for an operation, I don't. Each system has it flaws but I prefer a system based on patient care not on profit! In the US it is all about the Dollar. Insurance is very expensive with some deductibles being higher than 2000.00 and if you survive cancer, you can forget about getting insurance for you or your family afterwards. So those of you that think the US system is better than the Canadian one, you better read the very fine print!


KEM
said

I am 26 years old. Born and raised in N. Ontario. I have NEVER had a doctor. My mother was searching when I was a child. I took over when I was 18. I also pay this bogus health care tax. Over a $1000 for myself and my husband. I also have health care benefits through my work that I pay premiums for every 2 weeks. It is a disgrace that I see no return for this. I am in favour of a 2 tiered system. I am already paying for it, why not reap the benefits.


Sharon Larson
said

I am in a terrible position currently. My wonderful physician of 20 years moved from Canada, and since then I have been going to walk in clinics. I went to the regular Dr. there and complained of back pain over and over. The Dr. did not examine me and all I had been advised was that I need to exercise more. It now turns out that I have two protruding discs. In addition, I have since complained of pain in my sides, which was also ignored, and again I was told I need to exercise more. I landed up in emergency and found out that I had rib fractures bi-laterally. In addition, when I confronted my Dr., she told me that she would not treat me any longer since I was just too complex a patient.I am now looking for a new Dr. but am being refused time and again because I am a complicated case. This is so unfair and has left me with no confidence that I will ever find a doctor who can treat me for the next 45 years.


I need a family doctor!
said

I have to comment on this one as I am one of the 5 that currently doesn't have a family doctor. I do have a heart problem, I do have high blood pressure and I possibly have some form of kidney failure..........all of which require constant checkups and monitoring. Why do I have to comment? Every clinic that I go to, I see a new doctor almost every single time. This has me having to explain my history to each doctor to bring them up to speed. All the tests that they suggest, I tell them they have already been done. I end up telling them it's time for blood work or a urinalysis. Hell, when my heart problem surfaced, I saw a total of 5 different doctors and 2 different cardiologists within the first month alone. Without some individual wanting to accept me as a patient, I am left to fend for my own well-being. And when I explain this to those numerous doctors I have seen, all I get is a "gee, sorry, I'm not accepting patients at this time. And none of the doctors in the clinic are either....I don't know what to suggest other than check back in a few weeks and maybe someone will be accepting patients then."......does that sound right for someone who has a heart problem let alone possible kidney impairment?

I'm frustrated with the health care in B.C. and each time I visit another doctor, my faith in the health care system seems to fade more and more.

Am I wrong in thinking that?


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