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Date: Mon. Jun. 16 2008 1:25 PM ET

Hundreds of Taliban fighters have taken over several villages in a district just north of Kandahar City, a local official says.

Mohammad Farooq, the government leader in the Arghandab district of Kandahar province, said Monday that about 500 Taliban had moved into what has been considered a relatively peaceful district.

A tribal leader said the militants could easily use the many grape and pomegranate orchards to mount an attack on Kandahar itself, where a brazen attack on a prison last week freed about 400 Taliban fighters.

"All of Arghandab is made of orchards. The militants can easily hide and easily fight," said Haji Ikramullah Khan.

"It's quite close to Kandahar," Khan added. "During the Russian war, the Russians didn't even occupy Arghandab, because when they fought here they suffered big casualties."

Walid Karzai, brother of President Hamid Karzai, told The Canadian Press on Monday that he's also worried the Taliban could mount attacks within Kandahar.

"There are also strong rumours that they will attack Kandahar city at certain strategic points. My house, the governor's house (and) the police station," he said.

"Whenever they get close to Kandahar city, there could be problems. Every one in Kabul is very much concerned," said Karzai, who serves as president of the provincial council.

NATO reaction

NATO spokesperson Mark Laity said NATO and Afghan military officials are sending troops to the district to "meet any potential threats."

Laity seemed to link the jailbreak with the Taliban push into Arghandab.

"It's fair to say that the jailbreak has put a lot of people (rebels) into circulation who weren't there before, and so obviously you're going to respond to that potential threat," he said.

Arghandab used to be the fiefdom of Mullah Naqib, a former Taliban supporter who switched sides in 2001.

The leader of the powerful Alokozai tribe died in October, and there were fears a power vacuum would emerge.

The Taliban did attempt to penetrate the district shortly after Naqib's death, but Canadian and Afghan troops said they pushed them out.

"They will not come back because we know that the Afghan national security forces will hold the ground and secure the Arghandab district for the (betterment) of the local population," Canada's Maj. Eric Landry told reporters in Kandahar on Nov. 1, 2007.

However, new district leader Kareemullah Naqibi, Mullah Naqib's son, had trouble winning the confidence of village elders.

Gen. Dan McNeil, the commander of the International Stabilization and Assistance Force, announced in mid-December 2007 that a forward operating base would be constructed in the district.

The move was seen as a way to shore up support for Naqibi, who is only 25.

Besides Mullah Naqib's death, two other leaders in Arghandab have been killed.

Police commander Abdul Hakim Jan, died in February. He was one of more than 100 people killed by a suicide bombing at a dog fight in Kandahar.

Earlier this month, gunmen shot and killed Malim Akbar Khakrezwal, 55. He was a former mujahedeen leader and a key supporter of Naqibi.

With files from The Associated Press and The Canadian Press

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alberta# 1
said

I have served twice in Afghanistan.
Every time an Afghan national - even officials - mention numbers of insurgents, they ALWAYS over exagerate the numbers. So if they say 500, it is likely 50 to 75. They say this so ISAF will fix the problem for their sorry, lazy selves.


Alberta Believer
said

Gun control!

Normally I'm the last guy to call for gun control but if you look at Afghanistan a wildly violent society you see the most incredible thing. Men running around the ocuntry with kalishnikovs and rpgs! This needs to stop! They need to be disarmed wherever they are. I don't care about their tribal mountain ways of life. Fact is these people only have a couple of things on their minds, murder and control.

This being said they need to be disarmed.


Bill
said

House of cards.


Rocket
said

This is a nightmare...all that hard work by our guys and their allies.

Ask that Liberal senator and Jack Layton if they still want to talk now. You cannot reason with the unreasonable.


Scotty
said

To our Canadian soldiers "Give it to em boys and girls" Give that Taliban a taste of the old mapleleaf!Keep up the good work! They won't be in those villages long after you get there.


Mill
said

Thanks uninformed lefties - all your talk of reconstruction without proper security is now causing serious setbacks. We need to crush the hardcore militants via force with our right hand, while trying to get the others on our side through "soft" means with our left. Both extremes are ignorant and your ignorance is costing lives. Ignorance = political pressure = bad policy on the ground.


Trisha
said

Just as predicted...Vietnam all over again. My heart breaks for our brave soldiers.


Craig
said

"Taliban had moved into what has been considered a relatively peaceful district.

A tribal leader said the militants could easily use the many grape and pomegranate orchards to mount an attack on Kandahar itself, where a brazen attack on a prison last week freed about 400 Taliban fighters."

Oh yeah and this was an unnecessary war. I can't wait to see the NDP try to negotiate now.


Steve in Fredericton
said

No matter what you do, you cannot kill an idea. We could eliminate every al Queada and Taliban insurgent between here and Alla, it still wont accomplish the mission. The ideology will live on. These guys are like germs, they seem to reproduce on their own and there's simply no end to them. To win this thing we have to come to grips with not being able to erase the Taliban influence in the Afghan culture, rather, we have to find ways to make it work towards our stated desired goals of a peaceful, stable society governed by the rule of law. Or we simply bomb the place back to the stone ages... which for them was only last week.


Larry Daiter
said

I think that heads should roll! This story is an embarassment to Canada, United States, Britian and the coalition partners.

it's hard to conceive that this was allowed to occur. what is their government doing about it?


bobby
said

Like the Battle of the Bulge. It's a good thing General Eisenhower did not have the outlook of out Lefties - or he might have said:

This war is unwinnable. Let's all go home.

For those who are not familiar with the B of the B, I can understand why you might want to quit with your hands up in the air.


afghan army
said

Now is the time to defeat all of them not only in kandahar but inside Pakistan as well


Evan in Athabasca
said

I think it is time to crack down!!

Enough is enough, we have listened to and acted on recommendations of the "left wing alternatives from the Liberals, and NDP".

Time to show them how it is done and start being tough about it. No more negotiations, time to impose curfew, and limit travel. Every time an afgany complains, simply state this was done due to acts of the taliban. Turn them in, and you get your freedom back.


Sgt Retired
said

Do you suppose a massive Psychological Operation to attempt to reform uneducated Afghans and other countries extremists to something along the line of; If martyrdom, paradise and all the virgins that are there is so great how come your leaders are in no rush to get there as well?


glen gaffney
said

when an evil enemy fights an unconvential dirty war its unwinable. they the taliban will have moments of glory. but we have got to be in this war for the long haul as there are about a million of them who are willing to bear arms for the taliban from pakistan to saudi arabia

Scott
said

Trisha- My guess is you weren't alive during the Vietnam war...

Take a look at the casualty list from Vietnam... tens of thousands of dead US Servicemen. Compared to 80 dead in Afghanistan over what...5-6 years?


IA
said

Why are we there again?


TerryG
said

Larry Daiter, it's a counter insurgency, not like directing traffic you see. To win, likely 200,000 troops are needed, but the world does not fight to win wars any more, so it goes on and on, successes and failures, a never ending cycle. Steve in Fredericton has it right. It is an ideology that is the enemy, one that cannot be wiped out, no matter how "goody two shoes" we think we are.


Jason Daniel Baker
said

I actually still remember when this war was about getting a few guys (one in particular) who blew up a building in New York.

I love our troops, give them the benefit of the doubt and remain proud of how they have carried themselves even with all the questionws I have regarding deployment.

But if the Afghan government wants to use them to wage war on Pakistan I just can't agree with that.

I don't care how big a trading partner India is for Canada or that they might help NATO in such a war.



Karl
said

"It's quite close to Kandahar," Khan added. "During the Russian war, the Russians didn't even occupy Arghandab, because when they fought here they suffered big casualties."

Did someone severely drop the ball here? Why wasn't this place guarded from the first? An area close to Kandahar that in the past, proved to be a great area for the enemy to fight from.... Duhhhhh

This is pretty bad news, hope our boys clean out those areas fast and without major losses.


Paul in BC
said

Tell me again why Harper, McKay and General Hillier are doing a great job in Afghanistan!! What a disaster, hundreds of criminals on the loose. If I did my job as bad as those 3 clowns I'd have been fired. I guess we'll have to wait for the next election for that.


JF - Vancouver
said

"All of Arghandab is made of orchards. The militants can easily hide and easily fight," said Haji Ikramullah Khan.

Sure they can "hide" until our forces turn on the infrared cameras on our un-manned drones, spot Talibani heat signatures and send out patrols to search and destroy.

They should've stayed in jail.


WATCH_UR_6
said

Take no Prisioners...

WATCH_UR_6

THANKYOU
and
GOOD LUCK ...

To all of you serving
over there....



DW
said

It is time to put a stop to these insurgents. We know they are comming from Pakistan so lets go into Pakistan and end it once and for all.


LDL
said

I like to hear opinions from those who have served in A-stan like "Alberta #1". There are too many armchair military strategists that have too much to say. Hardly an embarassment for Canada "Larry D" I'll put my trust in those on the ground who serve our country and have the training and experience to do so. As is my right though, I do have an opinion. I say do your best (which has been outstanding) then withdraw in 2011 as planned, and let them have whatever governance (or lack there of) they want for their country.


JG
said

Rocket you are so totally wrong! This is exactly why we need to talk to the Taliban because there is no military solution to this problem.

That being said I don't believe there is any solution to this problem. We need to find a way to get out of there because Afghanistan will be what it has always been - a tribal society in which one mullah tries to better himself at the expense of another.


Reece
said

They can't hide in that shrub. This is 2008 - the helicopter gunships can hover and pick them off one by one. I suspect this is the Taliban's way of express service to martyrdom since nobody can be this stupid.


DJ
said

You could keep troops there for ever and things still won't change.Pull out all the NATO troops and let them fight for their freedom, if the taliban come out on top then the people don't want change bad enough. What if some group tried that in CANADA, would Canadians let that happen, i don't think so


A10
said

Relocate,
I say burn the fields nock down the grape huts and flatten the surrounding area and leave the taliban no where to hide for cover.
and then support the local farmers so that the loss of their fields has no impact on them. As for 500 Taliban well unless we react now they will plan so let our guys take it too them first.


phil
said

Please learn from the russians...cut your losses and stop the occupation. You cannot win.


Ron in Orillia
said

Send in some more of our boys they'll clean that mess of taliban right up! In fact I bet most of our boys are itching to get going right now!

We should have more then 2500 troops in the first place! Afghans seem to lean on us as the favoured ally (strong, unbiased, mobile, and less civi casualties that the US is known for) so we should capitilize on that, and as another poster put it "give em the taste of the old maple leaf" only feed it backwards if you catch my meaning.
This is a winnable war, but it takes troops to win it...a touch more then 2500 for us, and more then the petty NATO force there now...how do we expect to win with that?


Let Karzai sort it out...
said

Yesterday Karzai said he's prepared to send troops into Pakistan. With or without the consent of Pakistan.

So, Canada is there in Afghanistan to help Afghanistan get on their feet and provide security as their military beefs itself up, or "we'll stand down when they are able to stand up" as has been quoted on a comparable military misadventure in the Middle East by our neighbours to the south.

And yet, Karzai has the troop power and will to send his military over into Pakistan? Even as the Prime Minister of Pakistan says "We will not allow anyone to interfere in our territorial limits and our affairs"?

If Afghanistan is ready to do these kinds of things in the face of a potential backlash from a military force as strong as Pakistan's, then it's obvious they must be very capable of taking care of themselves.

Get Canada outta there. Let Karzai chase the Taliban around in these villages - he's obviously got military might to spare!


bikermike
said

I don't think invading Pakistan will bring peace.....last time I checked..these boys had nukes.
There must be another way besides the big stick to get this thing under control..buy them....it will be cheaper in the long run.


What are your proposed solutions to tyranny?
said

To all who say that this means that the war is unwinnable, I ask you: If we cut our losses and come home, what do we do next time we are threatened with tyranny? Do we just stop immigration, close the borders and hope for the best? Or do we find ways to win this war, help the Afghans run their country as countries should run? I ask you, offer solutions instead of just crying out that we lost.
As for the "Battle of the Bulge" analogy, that is outstanding! The Germans had already lost the war, and threw all they had and really shocked us. In the end, we had things all neatly wrapped up in about two weeks. It was an act of desperation, just as this is for the Taliban.


alberta #1
said

WOW... Lots of arm chair generals in here!

Like I said before, I spent a total of 2 deployments for 14 months there and some of the opinions here are way off reality!

May I suggest you visit your nearest recruiting office and go visit that beautiful wasteland and go destroy all you want, BUT the innocent part of the population WILL HATE YOU FOR IT...


Scott Ash
said

ok people stop with the "This is just like Vietnam" "This is just like Soviet invasion"

It's NOT. Go read a book!
and not paranoid lefty fantasy magazine...

That being said I hope these Taliban fighters get crushed as I am sure they will. So they won't bomb anymore school buses full of kids going to school.


Trisha
said

In response to Scott's comments... I am 52 yrs old Scott so I WAS alive during Vietnam. I remember the US troops winning battles for areas, leave those areas, have them retaken by the North Vietnamese and then returning to fight for the land all over again. As far as 'ONLY 80 dead over 5-6 years', try telling those 80 soldiers' families that you don't think those deaths can compare to the US soldiers lost in Vietnam. My guess is you have no loved ones fighting these battles.


Chuck
said

It is amazing how the anti-war leftists in Canada and the USA sing the same song.... "Get out of Afghanistan and Iraq". After 5-6 years of dishing out severe battlefield defeats to the Taliban and Al Queda madmen the terrorist appeasers in Canada and the USA still chant the same tune. WE CANNOT allow these terrorists to regain power in the Middle East. Our Coalition forces have crushed their infrastructure, their funding, and their leadership. Why would any sane individual want suicidal, murdering, terrorists to regain control of oil rich countries????


GW
said

I wish people would stop making comparisons of this occupation to WWII. It’s completely different.

First off, Nazi Germany had the capability of enslaving the entire free world. The Taliban do not.

WWII was a war of countries with clear objectives and different color uniforms. To win that war everything in the path of victory was laid waste including millions of innocent people. This is the only way to win wars and unless you’re willing do it, don’t go to war.

Why are they terrorizing? They hate Israel and America. Why? Mostly because Israel occupied Palestine and America backs them. That and American business interests in the Middle East. Everybody wants to rule the world.

With growing world powers and ever tightening resources like energy, how will it all end? Let’s just say I don’t think mankind has matured quite enough to peacefully work their way through this.

Just like any relationship, if you don’t talk you’ll fight. Unfortunately some like fighting. We either find a way to quite fighting or we can kiss this planet good bye and you all know it.



Militarygangster
said

Great now we gotta do half the war over again.
Cya pullout date 2011!


Cool & Clever
said

Such simplistic muscle-before-brains solutions being proposed here by some! -- Real boom-&-bust recipes for SHORT-TERM success and LONG-TERM loss.

Let's hope our leaders & strategists are cool, calm, collected, composed, AND CLEVER!!


willowway
said

DJ & Alberta 1 have it right. Well said!! Other wannabee fighters, listen up or, as Alberta 1 has said, go to the recruiting unit and do your duty as you see it.


Ian
said

JF from Vancouver,

all those toys are nice but they all have limitations, one thing i learned over there is you NEVER rely on your equipment to save you, these people have been battling technologically superior forces for decades and they are still alive and well. These people are resourceful and tough and it's too bad but they did score a victory with the prison break, hopefully the lads can take the initiative back.


John G
said

We'll be reading the similiar old tired partisan comments five years from now and again ten years from now. Maybe we should move NDHQ to Afganistan. How long have we been there so far? How many of our brave soldier have died.

Again I say I fully support our troops and hope the all return safely. As for the mission is stiill stupid.

PS: Are we still looking for Bin or did we give up on that one?


VP
said

I'm in Afghanistan right now... well about to go on leave for 3 weeks but... This is an Info Ops campaign. The taliban are capitalizing on the prison break because they know the western media is watching closely right now. We have a relatively small presence in Arghandab so all they have to do is show up in a few villages and say they run the show. We kicked them out of there not too long ago and we'll do it again, maybe . Don't believe the hype. I know what side the media is on and it ain't ours. This is nothing like Vietnam or he Soviet invasion. First, we aren't conscripts and second, we are here to help and most of the locals get it. Grow up Laytonites.


Kevin L
said

I was over there on 2007. When local officials claim hundreds have moved into an area it's more like a dozen. These local intelligence reports are constantly coming out and they're always wrong.


Dan from Surrey
said

Gee We keep hearing all the bull aka spin that we are winning, the Taliban is on the run blah blah blah blah blah yet they had a successful jail break the other day and seem to be on the offencive.


20 years from now we will still be hearing how we are 'winning' and got them on 'the run'....


Allan Eizinas
said

Hey folks – we are winning this war and kicking their assets.

Just ask our government, NATO officials and the Karzai government.

This week, the “enemy” just busted out about 1,000 of their supports out of a prison located right under the noses of NATO.

The “enemy” has just taken over control of a number of towns just south of Kandahar, where Canadian and NATO forces are “completely in control”.

USA appointed president of Afghanistan Karzai has just indicated that he is prepared to send Afghanistan troops (with NATO support?) into the nuclear nation of Pakistan.

Does anyone else in Canada think that maybe we are not getting the truth of what is happening in our war on this other side of the world?

Hey folks – we are winning this war and kicking their assets.


Chris
said

To Trisha:

I'm a Canadian soldier who served in Afghanistan. My wife is currently serving there as we speak.

WE ARE NOT AMERICANS, SOVIETS, SOUTH VIETNAMESE, ETC.!!!!

We are doing our job there and we will win!!! We are fighting a terrorist organisation. The Americans lost the war in Vietnam because they didn't know who they're enemy was. They had very little help from the locals. The Soviets were beaten because ALL the locals didn't want them there and with the help of the Americans (supply of Stingers) they were able to shoot down soviet aircraft which prior to the arms supply were hammering the population to death.

If you want information, then study the facts. If you don't want to study, then watch movies IE: Charlie Wilson's War.

I hate it when we are compared to history... well WE ARE MAKING HISTORY so let us do our jobs!!!


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