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Date: Tuesday Jun. 10, 2008 12:00 PM ET
A prominent resource economist has pronounced himself disgusted with "dishonest" Conservative attack ads on a Liberal carbon tax proposal that's yet to be unveiled.
"The Conservatives -- and I say this with great sadness because I don't care which political party is in power -- but if we're going to do anything about climate change, we're going to have to be honest with people," Marc Jaccard of Simon Fraser University told CTV.ca on Tuesday.
"This is just totally dishonest."
On the weekend, the Tories previewed ads aimed at the proposed carbon tax, painting it as Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's "tax on everything."
The ads are to start running Tuesday.
Jaccard, a co-author of the recent book Hot Air, said the Conservatives' own policy on reducing greenhouse gas emissions won't work because it doesn't put a price on carbon for consumers.
"Their policy is to regulate industry and then have these offset loopholes where industry can subsidize consumers. But those are the types of policies that have never worked in the past," he said.
The Conservatives have said their plan will cut Canada's greenhouse gas emissions by 20 per cent below 2006 levels by 2020. But many environmental groups join Jaccard in saying the plan won't work.
If it did work, the Conservative plan wouldn't see Canada's Kyoto Protocol target -- to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by six per cent below 1990 levels by 2012 -- achieved until 2025.
The Liberals are said to be proposing putting a tax on carbon. While the policy has yet to be released, the Grits have said it will be "tax shifting" and "revenue-neutral," meaning that any revenue collected would be given back in the form of income or other tax cuts.
In the House of Commons' question period on Monday, junior minister Jason Kenney accused the Liberals of engaging in a massive tax grab to pay for billions in unbudgeted election promises.
Dion said the ads are "misleading and a lie."
Honest dialogue
"I'm not a fan of Stephane Dion, but when you get a politician out there that's trying to start an honest dialogue and say to people, 'you know what? We won't get our emissions down if there isn't a price on them and that's just the truth'," Jaccard said.
"And to see politicians saying, 'Maybe I can stay in power' or gain more power, or maybe a majority government, by distorting this" disgusted him, he said.
"Every one of those ads should say, 'Oh and by the way, your income taxes are going down if (the Liberals) do put in that tax,' but it's not there."
The Liberals say their plan, unlike the Conservative one, offers offsetting tax cuts.
Dion has said the plan won't drive up prices at the gas pump, where high oil prices have driven gasoline prices up to record levels.
Some of the Tory ads were to run at gas pumps in Toronto and other parts of southern Ontario.
But Fuelcast, the company that operates the pump-side advertising network, said Monday it won't run the ads.
The Conservatives have said they have a binding contract with Fuelcast, but if the company doesn't honour the deal, they will up their radio buy instead.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.



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Lart from Above
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Lina
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But each of these people still has to pay for food, clothing, heating, etc.
unknowncanadian
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Tired of Government infighting and ineptitude
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Paul
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JPF
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Edward in Vancouver
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Living in BC, I already have a Carbon tax being implemented in July, and do not want or need a federal one. I agree with Harper that these "revenue neutral" taxes will eventually find their way into becomeing no longer revenue neutral, but just an extra tax we have to bare.
ARJAY
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Cate
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I have been an environmentalist for over two decades, so I have noticed the photo ops and Kyoto the dog. I have also seen them squander a majority while the environment got worse.
H
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Whether the gun registry was dishonest or not, has no bearing on the discussion about the current ads and whether they are dishonest/disgusting or not. BTW, I'm not a supporter of that either, however, whether or not the registry was dishonest is of no consequence here.
Start looking at what's going on today and what's relevant to the topic. You sound like a a politician, one of those who are blind of logic and reason. ...wait, that's all of them.
Andrew Campbell
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billg
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Why not take the next 25 years and get air and water pollution under control? Honestly, and I know its tough on some of you...whats the rush and why play roulette with our economy?
Clark
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Unless Dion unequivocally states that his Green Plan is intended to lower Canada's 30% excess GHG emissions and meet our Kyoto targets by 2012, the Green Plan will only become a Carbon Tax money grab.
Of course the Billion$$$ of tax collected would undoubtedly go to purchasing Kyoto Carbon Credits from China and India to mitigate our failure to lower our GHGs .. which was the Liberal's intention anyway when they allowed our GHGs to skyrocket during their 13 years of government.
RRO
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A carbon tax will have a major impact on canadians. not the tax itself but the resulting price hikes in everything from food to power and water. Its a ripple effect.
Must I point out that we have an economist in the Prime Ministers office. Prime Minister Harper was a proffessor at the University of Calgary.
Lets get real people, Dion is just like Chretien wanting to grab as much out of the pockets of Canadians.
Greg in the Hammer
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The Tories have always been about staying in power? Are you kidding me? How old are you?
Did you forget 13 years of The Shawinigan Strangler (aka Jean Chretien) and Mr Dithers (aka Paul Martin) ?
Majority government after majority government until their government by opinion poll caught up with them and they were turfed. They had the opportunity to do great things with no effective opposition and they did what?......
Oh thats right, signed Kyoto to make themselves look good with no plan to ever actually acheive the goals (which were unattainable anyway), lost over a billion dollars wihich has still never been accounted for in the Human Resources Department boondoggle, created a gun registry which was supposed to cost 15 million dollars and has now crossed the 2 billion mark and can't show any substantive evidence that it has saved one life, cancelled a contract for navy helicopters at a cost of 750 million dollars in penalties, to score cheap political points and get elected) then signed a contract for 2.8 billion more to replace them with an aircraft that Sikorsky now says it can't build, nearly lost the country in a Quebec referendum and then created the "sponsorship scandal" breaking I don't know how many laws.......all the while looking down their noses at Canadians telling them they know what's best for them.
And you think the Tories are obsessed with power.......PLEASE.
Set aside the rhetoric and look at the facts and the science and while not perfect the Tories plan for emissions targets is attainable and takes into consideration economic realities.
This Lotusland economist is no doubt a charter member of the David Suzuki fan club and is taking a pot shot at the government.
Carbon tax and Cap and Trade systems as implemented in Europe, particularly the UK have been an unmitigated disaster, serving to drive up the cost of everything. If you honestly believe the Liberals when they say their proposal will be revenue neutral and not effect the cost of gas...... I have some nice water front land in Burma I'd like to sell you.
Draven
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Dave Roberts
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Lawrence
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RM
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Doug
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Paul B
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What is more disturbing is this fellow is an advisor to China on energy. China has opened over 100 coal-fired plants in the last year and has plans for 500+ more in the next few years. China's emisions rose more than Canada's total emissions. Perhaps he should advise China about ghg emissions from coal-fired plants.
And if the Conservative's are wrong to criticize a plan not yet released, perhaps Suzuki, this fellow, and enviromentalists such as the Pembina institute might want to withold their praise as well.
CW
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rosie
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Eyes Wide Open
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Global warming hasn't occurred in the last 10-11 years and last year the world temperature actually decreased. Thing is it's still politically incorrect to inform people that the science, Gore, Suzuki, and the UN that created the hysteria are grossly exaggerating the effects of human created GHG. It's more and more lokking like it's the sun, water vapour and oceans that created the warming trend. News outlets look for the sensationalism in news and this "crisis" is what they want and report.
Good on the Conservatives getting the people thinking that there will be a problem with any type of carbon tax, cap & trade, or tax shift. Utimately any punishment on industry is filtered down on consumers despite political rhetoric.
IT Manager in Calgary
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It's time for Harper to worry about his own dirty yard, instead of just throwing all of this garbage over the fence. He also needs to stop acting like a petulant spoiled little child with his totally un-Canadian attack ads and work on his own morally defunct policies.
john davis
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DWB
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The fact that they've gone along with it because polling told them that they had no choice explains why they are in a mess on the environment.
The Conservative government needs to get back to conservative principles and base policy on facts not on new age religious beliefs.
Ry
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I personally don't care about the ads or the partisan shots, they're all juvenille. I want to hear a "leader" (if there is one in this country) that is willing to stand up in Canada and move an environmental platform forward. No more rhetoric, speeches, promises - I want to see action.
Northerner
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Phil
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Robin
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Dale Wilson
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Marty
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jay
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Tricked Again !
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I could write a list of at least a hundred examples of the government (including the opposition at the time)deliberatly lying through their teeth in order to get a few extra votes, stay in power a few weeks more,or ANYTHING to get even more tax money out of our wallets !
This has gone on for decades regardless of the party in power and whether it is a majority or minority government.
As a result of this bare faced lying it matters not whether the ideas put forward are viable and will work out for the common good...because of the government's past history it will always be met with the majority of Canadians interpreting it as just one more lie.
I just wish we had at least ONE elected official we could look up to and trust....maybe then any ideas forthcoming would not be greeted with instant mistrust.
Am I the only one that is sick and damn well tired of the lies and deceit regardless of who is in power.
Action Jackson
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So they increase carbon tax, offset it by income tax cuts, yadda yadda... eventually, the plan will succeed and people will drastically cut down on emissions, lowering the tax revenue for the government, probably drastically, leaving them with much less money to spend. The only way to get that money flow back is to raise the taxes they had previously lowered! And if it’s the Liberals at the helm, which it will be if this whole crazy plan is enacted, you KNOW there will be a ton of things to pay for!!! So the taxes are raised and we are right back to square one!
And by then, who knows how many businesses will have suffered, not to mention how many other countries haven’t even bothered to tackle the fictional climate problem. Meaning that the planet is still ‘doomed’, we’re all still paying high taxes, we have a corrupt liberal government in power, and other countries are pulling ahead because they are not faced with restrictions on what they are allowed to do. Brilliant.
The only party talking ANY sense on the environment right now is the Conservatives. Realistic goals, realistic plan, period.
Joel
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Kyoto is a Joke
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billg
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Hey Smart Guy...Ontario's largest producer of GHG is Ontario Hydro! Are you that daft to think that those tax's will not filter down to you? I own a small business, when the hydro goes up my prices go up, when gas goes up my prices go up, when the people who ship me supply's gas and hydro goes up, their costs go up and then my prices go up. Let the polluters pay is the dumbest thing I've heard because they dont pay we do.
mandosa
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lec
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Allan Eizinas
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So what is the surprise?
When would anyone equate honesty with the Harper government?
Wake up...
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Rick
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David
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Wake Up Call
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Don't you remember the Nasty Ad Campain launched against Steven Harper by Paul Martin.
Do you remember Jean Chretien say he would immediately repeal the GST.
Do you really think you will get any kind of meaningful offset;
$10B/32M = $312.50
Even if Gasoline, Diesel, Heating Oil and Natural Gas are not hit with an additional percentage of tax, which doesn't make sense because they are some of the major causes of pollution, coal will almost certainly be taxed significantly, which will mean significant increases in electricity charges for many Canadians.
Quebec has Hydro and Ontario has Nukes, so the other provinces will pay the majority of increased power costs which will be more than the income tax shift.
Once again a tax that can buy votes in Quebec and Ontario, and disenfranchise the rest of the Country. Way to go Liberals. It does not matter if Fuel to Heat our Homes or used to Commute does not go up, something has to go up if they want to collect $17B. 17B/32M = 531.25 , so on average Canadians will pay 218.75 more due to the taxes per year, and will likely be shifted to people who are less able to deal with increased power costs.
Adam
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Doug BC
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I've been a Liberal for decades,and I have little love for Mr.Harper.I think he should be able to move further and more quickly on this issue.I do,however,think he is one of the very few concerned about creating even more poverty by using the old "tax and spend" tactic as a way of controling public behaviour.
Sadly,with Liberals in office for 79 years of the last century,we have become a very left wing country.And I am now convinced there is no future in socialism.
And finally,if Mark Jaccard thinks Dion wants a serious debate about anything,he is living in a fantasy.It is all about making Mr.Dion PM.If they had been serious,or had answers,they would have moved while they were in office.
Period.
Calgarian
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It's not the Hydro that is the largest polluter in Ontario, it's the Coal-fired plants in Ontario… look it up.
Alberta with 1/10 the population is the largest Polluter in Canada, Saskatchewan comes in a distant third. Quebec is mainly Hydro, and so is BC and they are below Saskatchewan which has a much smaller population.
Sanitylost
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Besides why would we want to start another bureaucracy to administer this anyway?
Just hold on to your pants before doing anything to damage our economy. Believe me the market will force change in our habits...it already has.
No way do I want another tax established by either party.
my take on this
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Why do conservative people have such a hard time accepting scientific facts?
Scientific fact negates their basic beliefs and that's a reality they can't accept.
Chris
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Carbon taxes are money grabs, under the 'guise that it will reduce GHG's. Well, like it or not, you will end up paying more for your precious conservation of pollutants than with all other taxes combined... again... WAKE UP YOU PARTISANS... WAKE UP!!!
Andrew
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When the Conservatives are campaigning you hear accusations of "hidden agenda's", but instead of the media and university professors reporting this as dirty politics, is reported as facts.
News should be unbiased.
NoOne
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I'm amazed that you will go out of your way to find an 'expert' to claim that the conservative's ads are dishonest without demonstrating one thing that is dishonest about their ads. Congratulations, your love for the Liberal party isn't on display with this one ...
Paul R
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Wake Up Call
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In 2005 Canada produces 650 Billion Tonnes of CO2.
If we meet our commitments and get down to about 400BT of CO2, by 2012 China will likely increase by 2.4 Trillion tonnes of CO2 from 2005 through 2012.
Alberta Believer
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In this case sadly for Jaccard, he's wrong. You can't possibly raise taxes on business without seeing that new cost of doing business passed on to consumers thereby affecting sale and jobs in the negative. We've all heard this jibber jabber from Jaccard before and there are few in industry who are gonna fall for it.
What he needs to do is latch on to the federal Liberals or NDP as an economic policy adviser.
Wet Westcoaster
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You've said it all and perfectly. A "revenue-neutral" tax from the Liberals??..hahaha..
Chretien signed the Kyoto Accord on his way out the door, knowing full well that he would never have to live up to it BUT the next Gov't (Tories) would. With all of their majority governments, the Liberals did NOTHING.... but raise taxes and hand out free taxpayer money to try and procure votes. Don't give them the chance to do it again.
Phil
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Th Tory plan is a made for Alberta plan. Canada is still a big carbon exporter and the carbon tax plan hits them hardest. I thought you Ontario guys would have figured that out by now. Consumption at home won't hurt as bad as it will for the oil companies who are reluctant to share the wealth (cheaper fuel)with the rest of the country. That's another story. Seems high gas prices are going to put a pin in the tar sands bubble.
David
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I do not accept that.
We cannot afford to ruin our economy while the rest of the world does nothing. Our only hope for change is managed change, within the framework of a robust economy. With time frames sufficient to develop and implement reduced energy initiatives. These new technologies could be exported.
High energy prices are sufficient to reduce consumer demand. These alone will bring about gradual change. A tax on carbon, no matter how it is viewed, is an additional burden on the economy.
Sorry Mr. Jaccard, but the climate has changed many times, before humans were here. And it will continue to do so no matter what we do.
Nathan
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Second, this article is using Jaccard as an 'authority' on economics. But they do a bait and switch and most of his comments are on politics and who is lying.
Third, if the Conservatives are lying then all the Liberals need to do is come out with their policy and show them to be lying. If they don't they are making it up as they go along.
Paul in Calgary
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The real question everyone should have on this issue is who should we trust. Should we trust people who have never studied economics (which is far more complex that most people imagine)? How about those that have never studied the environment?
Moreover, why does it seem that most conservative supporters appear afraid to listen to experts who have studied these fields for years, in particular those who disagree with their viewpoint.
I guess to be fair and consistent, if you're not willing to listen to experts on this matter of topic, next time you're sick don't bother listening to the expert: your Doctor. Something tells me that won't happen. The smell of hypocrisy fills the Canadian countryside.
Denise
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Wise Wajid
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Daryl
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His insane notion that a price on a commodity and/or an externality will curb usage is just plain wrong. Cap and trade worked one time for SO2, it worked because it had a limited economic impact on a small sector with an affordable alternative being availabe for use.
Neither is true in the current situation.
The Carbon Tax in BC hinges on one basic premise, an increase in fossil fuel use ( doing nothing to impact GHG emissions ). It is stated in the budget, and if use declines the tax will increase faster. The nuetrality is delayed by 1 fiscal year perpetually, and is not bound by other income tax rate increases, but will be used to off-set planned increases. The corporate tax relief will be swallowed by the WCI Cap and Trade coming soon to BC. Net result is overall higher tax burdens + rising energy costs = less disposable and investment income = economic impairment.
Yet published tax code will look attractive on paper, fooled Flaherty until Dion picked up a copy and the Finance Minister was forced to read it and the impacts.
Climate Change Fear induced compassion and distraction, Climate Change Compassion ( save the Polar Bears ), Carbon Tax neutrality distraction ( watch the dancing baby ) and they lift your wallet while you are not paying attention.