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CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Tuesday Jun. 10, 2008 12:00 PM ET

A prominent resource economist has pronounced himself disgusted with "dishonest" Conservative attack ads on a Liberal carbon tax proposal that's yet to be unveiled.

"The Conservatives -- and I say this with great sadness because I don't care which political party is in power -- but if we're going to do anything about climate change, we're going to have to be honest with people," Marc Jaccard of Simon Fraser University told CTV.ca on Tuesday.

"This is just totally dishonest."

On the weekend, the Tories previewed ads aimed at the proposed carbon tax, painting it as Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's "tax on everything."

The ads are to start running Tuesday.

Jaccard, a co-author of the recent book Hot Air, said the Conservatives' own policy on reducing greenhouse gas emissions won't work because it doesn't put a price on carbon for consumers.

"Their policy is to regulate industry and then have these offset loopholes where industry can subsidize consumers. But those are the types of policies that have never worked in the past," he said.

The Conservatives have said their plan will cut Canada's greenhouse gas emissions by 20 per cent below 2006 levels by 2020. But many environmental groups join Jaccard in saying the plan won't work.

If it did work, the Conservative plan wouldn't see Canada's Kyoto Protocol target -- to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by six per cent below 1990 levels by 2012 -- achieved until 2025.

The Liberals are said to be proposing putting a tax on carbon. While the policy has yet to be released, the Grits have said it will be "tax shifting" and "revenue-neutral," meaning that any revenue collected would be given back in the form of income or other tax cuts.

In the House of Commons' question period on Monday, junior minister Jason Kenney accused the Liberals of engaging in a massive tax grab to pay for billions in unbudgeted election promises.

Dion said the ads are "misleading and a lie."

Honest dialogue

"I'm not a fan of Stephane Dion, but when you get a politician out there that's trying to start an honest dialogue and say to people, 'you know what? We won't get our emissions down if there isn't a price on them and that's just the truth'," Jaccard said.

"And to see politicians saying, 'Maybe I can stay in power' or gain more power, or maybe a majority government, by distorting this" disgusted him, he said.

"Every one of those ads should say, 'Oh and by the way, your income taxes are going down if (the Liberals) do put in that tax,' but it's not there."

The Liberals say their plan, unlike the Conservative one, offers offsetting tax cuts.

Dion has said the plan won't drive up prices at the gas pump, where high oil prices have driven gasoline prices up to record levels.

Some of the Tory ads were to run at gas pumps in Toronto and other parts of southern Ontario.

But Fuelcast, the company that operates the pump-side advertising network, said Monday it won't run the ads.

The Conservatives have said they have a binding contract with Fuelcast, but if the company doesn't honour the deal, they will up their radio buy instead.

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Lart from Above
said

We could boycott gas stations that run these ads. Oil companies shouldn't be in the business of telling people that greenhouse gases aren't a problem.


Lina
said

For people who don't pay income tax (students, retired people, low income Canadians), no amount of tax shifting will make them pay less. When you don't pay income tax, there's no way your taxes can down.

But each of these people still has to pay for food, clothing, heating, etc.


unknowncanadian
said

I am thoroughly disgusted with the Conservative Party under the leadership of Stevie Harper. I guarantee they will never get my vote and I hope they are tossed out of our parliament after the next election.


Tired of Government infighting and ineptitude
said

The Liberals did little to nothing environmentally when they were last in government. And now the Conservatives are determined to continue this approach. When will we ever see some forward thinking approaches and policies from our governments. Canadians deserve better. European countries have shown that incorporating green technologies and initiatives into the economy can be a huge benefit. Why can't Canada show that we too have the initiative and business foresight to do the same.


Paul
said

The gun registry was also dishonest...get over it.


JPF
said

The Tories have always been about one thing: staying in power. Disgusting is right. Running "ads" at the fuel pump is disgusting. Who wants to "watch" this propaganda while we are getting hosed at the pumps? Why are the Tories working so hard on election propaganda instead of being responsible to all Canadians while they are still in power??


Edward in Vancouver
said

I'm Conservative and quite frankly I think the ads are juvenile and reek of the Liberal tactics I hold with disdain. We don't need ads to tell us that Dion is a bufoon.
Living in BC, I already have a Carbon tax being implemented in July, and do not want or need a federal one. I agree with Harper that these "revenue neutral" taxes will eventually find their way into becomeing no longer revenue neutral, but just an extra tax we have to bare.



ARJAY
said

I'm glad that at least one economist has had the integrity to criticize the Conservatives for their dishonesty. I'm just a bit surprised that more newspapers don't take up this issue and do a full investigation of how a carbon tax would affect our pocketbooks, and how Conservative lies stack up against the truth. If the Liberals are right, then this sounds like a useful way of fighting global warming without harming the economy. Yet the Conservatives seem to be so afraid of this that they take out attack ads on a policy that hasn't even been announced yet. So my question is this: why don't the Conservatives trust the scientists and the economists who tell the government what we have to do and how we have to do it? It look like they're committed to an ideological approach that's just bad for the environment. Why? Why do conservative people have such a hard time accepting scientific facts? What is it about the truth that scares them so much?


Cate
said

I do not believe that a scatter-gun tax will do anything other than economically depress the people on the edge.
I have been an environmentalist for over two decades, so I have noticed the photo ops and Kyoto the dog. I have also seen them squander a majority while the environment got worse.


H
said

Wow Paul, way to deflect the current issue at hand by bring up the something in the past. You should be a goalie.

Whether the gun registry was dishonest or not, has no bearing on the discussion about the current ads and whether they are dishonest/disgusting or not. BTW, I'm not a supporter of that either, however, whether or not the registry was dishonest is of no consequence here.

Start looking at what's going on today and what's relevant to the topic. You sound like a a politician, one of those who are blind of logic and reason. ...wait, that's all of them.


Andrew Campbell
said

Instead of attacking the Liberals over their Carbon tax plan, why doesn't the Conservative Government act like a government in power and tell us what THEY intend on doing on the environment front as well as what their plan is to help reduce the costs at the pump... waiting for answer...


billg
said

Whats really funny is no one has explained how Canada can stop climate chanage? Its estimated Canada is responsible for 0.02% of the Worlds GHG's, if we lived in tents and ate grass for the next 10 years GHG's would still climb to out of control level's. So I beg someone to answer what should be a simple question...why the rush?
Why not take the next 25 years and get air and water pollution under control? Honestly, and I know its tough on some of you...whats the rush and why play roulette with our economy?


Clark
said

It's obvious that Dion's Carbon-Income Tax shifting plan is designed to fail. Canadians will have little incentive to reduce their personal carbon consumption, and companies will just pass the cost on to consumers. I doubt it will be attached to goods for export, but we have to wait to see the plan.

Unless Dion unequivocally states that his Green Plan is intended to lower Canada's 30% excess GHG emissions and meet our Kyoto targets by 2012, the Green Plan will only become a Carbon Tax money grab.

Of course the Billion$$$ of tax collected would undoubtedly go to purchasing Kyoto Carbon Credits from China and India to mitigate our failure to lower our GHGs .. which was the Liberal's intention anyway when they allowed our GHGs to skyrocket during their 13 years of government.


RRO
said

This economist has been an advocate for left wing enviromental polcies for years. It is ludicrious.

A carbon tax will have a major impact on canadians. not the tax itself but the resulting price hikes in everything from food to power and water. Its a ripple effect.

Must I point out that we have an economist in the Prime Ministers office. Prime Minister Harper was a proffessor at the University of Calgary.

Lets get real people, Dion is just like Chretien wanting to grab as much out of the pockets of Canadians.


Greg in the Hammer
said

@JPF

The Tories have always been about staying in power? Are you kidding me? How old are you?

Did you forget 13 years of The Shawinigan Strangler (aka Jean Chretien) and Mr Dithers (aka Paul Martin) ?

Majority government after majority government until their government by opinion poll caught up with them and they were turfed. They had the opportunity to do great things with no effective opposition and they did what?......

Oh thats right, signed Kyoto to make themselves look good with no plan to ever actually acheive the goals (which were unattainable anyway), lost over a billion dollars wihich has still never been accounted for in the Human Resources Department boondoggle, created a gun registry which was supposed to cost 15 million dollars and has now crossed the 2 billion mark and can't show any substantive evidence that it has saved one life, cancelled a contract for navy helicopters at a cost of 750 million dollars in penalties, to score cheap political points and get elected) then signed a contract for 2.8 billion more to replace them with an aircraft that Sikorsky now says it can't build, nearly lost the country in a Quebec referendum and then created the "sponsorship scandal" breaking I don't know how many laws.......all the while looking down their noses at Canadians telling them they know what's best for them.

And you think the Tories are obsessed with power.......PLEASE.

Set aside the rhetoric and look at the facts and the science and while not perfect the Tories plan for emissions targets is attainable and takes into consideration economic realities.

This Lotusland economist is no doubt a charter member of the David Suzuki fan club and is taking a pot shot at the government.

Carbon tax and Cap and Trade systems as implemented in Europe, particularly the UK have been an unmitigated disaster, serving to drive up the cost of everything. If you honestly believe the Liberals when they say their proposal will be revenue neutral and not effect the cost of gas...... I have some nice water front land in Burma I'd like to sell you.


Draven
said

The ads are right. I don't know what economics this guy studied, but basic economics says that when the cost of doing buisness goes up that cost is inevitably going to be passed on to the consumer. So yes, in the end we the lowly consumer is going to be paying for this nonsense, totally unproven science, which won't at it's best lower the global temperature a fraction of a degree (not that it needs to be any cooler anyway). The sun is the ultimate temperature control and no matter how much we pollute it isn't a fraction of what nature itself contributes to our climate (volcanoes cause more carbon in the atmosphere than an entire year of a country's alotment of carbon usage, who pays in that case?).


Dave Roberts
said

Jaccard needs to do some homework on the LPC proposal. It calls for a $17 billion carbon tax to be offset $10-13 billion in income tax cuts. Do the math, it's a tax grab.


Lawrence
said

I don't believe in either a carbon tax or a regulatory framework. Both are flawed while proven emission trading systems have worked in the past,and are off the shelf documents, dusty, that could easily fix the carbon problem in North America. Search for emission trading systems and John H. Dales, an emeritus Professor of economics who wrote "the book" in 1968, that basically saved the Ontario's lakes from Acid Rain and the US north east.


RM
said

I'd like to know for whom is the carbon tax revenue-neutral, the government or the consumer? What happens when carbon consumption (and carbon tax revenue) start to go down? Will the Liberals then claw back the tax breaks in order to make up the shortfall or stack up higher and higher taxes on fossil fuels until we're all freezing in the dark?


Doug
said

The good thing is the Tory bully politics are driving some people with credibility to speak up. I too wish we could have honest dialogue instead of actions only intended to keep a party in power. The more I see the Tories do this type of bully politic the more I look at Dion and see an honest politician. I am starting to think that the Tories are afraid we will see Dion as someone who has good intentions, with all of Canada in mind. Hence the personal smears and misinformation. If the Tory plan is better then debate that and let the facts speak for themselves.


Paul B
said

This resource economist is also on the IPCC, so take his comments with their partisan content.

What is more disturbing is this fellow is an advisor to China on energy. China has opened over 100 coal-fired plants in the last year and has plans for 500+ more in the next few years. China's emisions rose more than Canada's total emissions. Perhaps he should advise China about ghg emissions from coal-fired plants.

And if the Conservative's are wrong to criticize a plan not yet released, perhaps Suzuki, this fellow, and enviromentalists such as the Pembina institute might want to withold their praise as well.


CW
said

Liberals did nothing? One Small thing… they signed on to the Kyoto Accord along with the rest of the world… then the Conservatives turfed it and did the Conservative thing… protect the energy industry and their stock portfolios, specifically Oil Industry, as did Australia and The U.S. both with conservative governments? Time is ticking down on the conservatives spin machine.


rosie
said

When it comes to environment,pollution is my main concern.Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.It is an essential TRACE gas in the atmosphere at around 380parts per million that plants absorb.greenhouses to grow food are somewhere between 600-900ppm.Carbon dioxide becomes toxic to people at 7500ppm est.Putting a price on carbon emissions is just creating a new source of wealth through taxes and fees.I will vote for the party that calls this scam what it is.sadly,all seem to have been pressured into believing this bullcrap.Whats next?taxing sunlight if you have solar panels?


Eyes Wide Open
said

This obviously comes from a guy who has a vested interest in the "man-made global warming" theory....oh wait, it's now climate change as the junk science behind this sham is falling apart.
Global warming hasn't occurred in the last 10-11 years and last year the world temperature actually decreased. Thing is it's still politically incorrect to inform people that the science, Gore, Suzuki, and the UN that created the hysteria are grossly exaggerating the effects of human created GHG. It's more and more lokking like it's the sun, water vapour and oceans that created the warming trend. News outlets look for the sensationalism in news and this "crisis" is what they want and report.

Good on the Conservatives getting the people thinking that there will be a problem with any type of carbon tax, cap & trade, or tax shift. Utimately any punishment on industry is filtered down on consumers despite political rhetoric.


IT Manager in Calgary
said

Dion is absolutely in the right here. Major polluters will NEVER reduce their greenhouse gas outputs unless they are slapped in the pocketbook for it. So it is only right to tax them, and have them pay for a personal income tax cut for Canadians. It seems the only people who disagree with this are the right wing hacks who think that industry should continue ruling the government, and deciding Canada's destiny. As for Harper's attack ads, they contain the usual lies and CONservative rhetoric that have become the only thing that Harper has left to go on.

It's time for Harper to worry about his own dirty yard, instead of just throwing all of this garbage over the fence. He also needs to stop acting like a petulant spoiled little child with his totally un-Canadian attack ads and work on his own morally defunct policies.


john davis
said

By reducing my carbon footprint I get to save money by paying less income tax and less in carbon taxes as well. That sounds fantastic. If everybody were to reduce their footprint by 10%, how will the Liberals make up the lost revenue? Either they will have to raise taxes or cut services. Dion needs to come clean regarding his hidden agenda.


DWB
said

As a conservative, I wish the Conservatives would acknowledge that the Suzuki/Gore global warming alarmism is the biggest political scam in the history of the planet.

The fact that they've gone along with it because polling told them that they had no choice explains why they are in a mess on the environment.

The Conservative government needs to get back to conservative principles and base policy on facts not on new age religious beliefs.


Ry
said

I think the bigger question here, what is anyone doing about the environment?

I personally don't care about the ads or the partisan shots, they're all juvenille. I want to hear a "leader" (if there is one in this country) that is willing to stand up in Canada and move an environmental platform forward. No more rhetoric, speeches, promises - I want to see action.


Northerner
said

How long does it take to find someone who will disagrees with anything ? Well here is another example. I live in Ontario and the Provincial Liberals lied about not taxing and I see that Dion is going to do the same. Now who is dishonest? Fin out now or find out later.


Phil
said

Where does Lina get the idea that retired people and students don't pay tax? A retiree pensioned at a net of $29000 per year is going to pay about $6000 to $7000 in Fed and provincial income taxes plus gst and fees for a multitude of necessary things. Bring on the carbon tax and make the polluters pay.


Robin
said

Is the Prime Minister going to sue this economist in order to stave off dissension?


Dale Wilson
said

Who is this guy? What a bunch of claptrap - for an "economist" to say there is no "price on carbon" is ridiculous...ok bub - here's the deal - pull your first year econ text out of the bookshelf...look up the nice colourful charts on the effect of price on supply vs. demand and the effect of price on input substitution. Keep in mind that every substitute for carbon based energy does not (by definition)involve the emission of C02. If this guy is teaching - hope he doesn't have tenure.


Marty
said

The Liberals want an open and honest debate about climate change is nothing but a joke, why? Like someone like me who thinks that climate change is happening, but I do believe there are more factors of why its happening then just green house gases. Don't we produce green house gases every time we breath, what about the deforestation all around the world that clean the air, do we know whats going on at the bottom of the vast ocean in which we only have explored maybe a quarter of it, there's the sun, what about the ozone layer that has a hole in it and what happens when the sun shines through that hole in the ozone, is it warmer because of it. There are other factors that can be said, but people just want to blame green house gases and when someone says other causes we are anti earth or whatever it maybe. See, I'm one who believes that its more then just green house gases as I also believe that we should all try to keep our environment clean and healthy. The earth has warmed as it has cooled before, we have had many ice-ages throughout the history of out our beautiful planet and what cause those to happen green house gases! hehe. Just trying to use some common sense. On a last note, we cannot stop the change, we need to learn to adapt to it. There's a lot more I could say on this subject, but I'm just trying to create some real debate for once without being called any names as I will see what happens.


jay
said

ya ya anouther neo-lib university type telling canadians it just aint so!!well mr. lib. i don't agree with you!! i would like to see the ctv media balance things out and also interview a prominate economist with a diffrent perspective.


Tricked Again !
said

I think the point everyone is missing is the total mistrust we all have in politicians....
I could write a list of at least a hundred examples of the government (including the opposition at the time)deliberatly lying through their teeth in order to get a few extra votes, stay in power a few weeks more,or ANYTHING to get even more tax money out of our wallets !
This has gone on for decades regardless of the party in power and whether it is a majority or minority government.
As a result of this bare faced lying it matters not whether the ideas put forward are viable and will work out for the common good...because of the government's past history it will always be met with the majority of Canadians interpreting it as just one more lie.
I just wish we had at least ONE elected official we could look up to and trust....maybe then any ideas forthcoming would not be greeted with instant mistrust.
Am I the only one that is sick and damn well tired of the lies and deceit regardless of who is in power.


Action Jackson
said

OK think about this for a second. The point of the carbon tax - combined with income tax cuts or not - is to get people to stop emitting greenhouse gasses, right?

So they increase carbon tax, offset it by income tax cuts, yadda yadda... eventually, the plan will succeed and people will drastically cut down on emissions, lowering the tax revenue for the government, probably drastically, leaving them with much less money to spend. The only way to get that money flow back is to raise the taxes they had previously lowered! And if it’s the Liberals at the helm, which it will be if this whole crazy plan is enacted, you KNOW there will be a ton of things to pay for!!! So the taxes are raised and we are right back to square one!

And by then, who knows how many businesses will have suffered, not to mention how many other countries haven’t even bothered to tackle the fictional climate problem. Meaning that the planet is still ‘doomed’, we’re all still paying high taxes, we have a corrupt liberal government in power, and other countries are pulling ahead because they are not faced with restrictions on what they are allowed to do. Brilliant.

The only party talking ANY sense on the environment right now is the Conservatives. Realistic goals, realistic plan, period.



Joel
said

Seriously, was this article written by a liberal friendly journalist? It seems to take Dion's promise of a so-called 'revenue neutral' carbon tax at face value. How does Jaccard know that it will be? And this business about 'trying to get a majority government' has nothing to do with a carbon tax. This is not news. One (slightly biased) economist's opinion should not merit front page news on CTV.


Kyoto is a Joke
said

Buying carbon credits from China and India...OMG...so how, exactly, will this reduce GHG emissions? With 500 coal fired electricity generators planned or under construction in China? With Kyoto imposing exactly 0.00 restrictions on the emissions of GHGs by these countries? Kyoto is a farce...I'm open to new information but I have yet to see an unbiased, logical and coherent explanation of how Kyoto will do anything other than move a little money around the planet...if we're going to do something about GHGs lets do something not rely on a treaty that does exactly nothing and will fail at even doing that....


billg
said

To Phil:..."bring on the carbon tax and let the polluters pay"...
Hey Smart Guy...Ontario's largest producer of GHG is Ontario Hydro! Are you that daft to think that those tax's will not filter down to you? I own a small business, when the hydro goes up my prices go up, when gas goes up my prices go up, when the people who ship me supply's gas and hydro goes up, their costs go up and then my prices go up. Let the polluters pay is the dumbest thing I've heard because they dont pay we do.


mandosa
said

I know, lets double the price of gasoline over a year. That should stop people from driving so much. Oh wait, that's already happened.


lec
said

Of course the Dion Carbon Tax is a scam. The interesting thing here is that the established media and policy analysts have totally missed the big story behind it. There is something very major going on when a national party suggests reducing highly lucrative personal income taxes in favour of a far-reaching consumption tax. It would seem to indicate a prevaling apprehension that average taxable incomes in Canada are going to decline. Canadians be warned - The Dion "tax shift" plan is specifically intended to follow your money during an economic downturn of unprecedented proportions.



Allan Eizinas
said

“Tory attack on carbon tax is dishonest: economist”

So what is the surprise?

When would anyone equate honesty with the Harper government?



Wake up...
said

This guy seems to be a bunk economist. Does anyone believe that a company that will have to pay taxes on materials and other processes related to carbon would not pass this new cost onto consumers? Does anyone believe that the oil sands will escape a carbon tax? If it doesen't the tax they pay will be recouped at the pump by charging the consumer more to off set costs. And lets say that some how fuel doesn't get taxed. Exactly what kind of carbon tax would this be? It would be tantamount to the way Kyoto doesn't require the largest emitter (China) to reduce emissions. I don't want to pay anymore taxes so that people can feel good about polluting. This is as stupid as the carbon trading system that would allow imaginary credits to be perchased for the right to pollute. We all need to wake up.


Rick
said

I have no idea how telling people they can pollute as much as they want as long as they can pay for it - will reduce ghg's. Industry will continue the same old practices and pass the costs on to the consumers. At least the conservatives plan will FORCE limits on ghgs and polution.


David
said

Another Tax for the average Joe . I wonder if the GST will be added after the Carbon Tax goes on Gas . Tax on top of other Taxes again .I bet all the old Gas taxes will stay put & BC will have 2 Carbon Taxes - They will be hard hit out west .


Wake Up Call
said

Disgusted Liberals :
Don't you remember the Nasty Ad Campain launched against Steven Harper by Paul Martin.
Do you remember Jean Chretien say he would immediately repeal the GST.
Do you really think you will get any kind of meaningful offset;
$10B/32M = $312.50
Even if Gasoline, Diesel, Heating Oil and Natural Gas are not hit with an additional percentage of tax, which doesn't make sense because they are some of the major causes of pollution, coal will almost certainly be taxed significantly, which will mean significant increases in electricity charges for many Canadians.
Quebec has Hydro and Ontario has Nukes, so the other provinces will pay the majority of increased power costs which will be more than the income tax shift.
Once again a tax that can buy votes in Quebec and Ontario, and disenfranchise the rest of the Country. Way to go Liberals. It does not matter if Fuel to Heat our Homes or used to Commute does not go up, something has to go up if they want to collect $17B. 17B/32M = 531.25 , so on average Canadians will pay 218.75 more due to the taxes per year, and will likely be shifted to people who are less able to deal with increased power costs.


Adam
said

I am so sick and tired of both of these parties attacking each other. Get over it and govern., I will not support either party at this point in the next election.


Doug BC
said

"RRO" is correct in observing the writer's background.And really,someone says the Conservatives are just hungry to stay in power.WOW.What amazing insight.And that is different from the Liberals,HOW.And "Lina" is brief,but right on the money regarding the issue of tax neutrality.In real life,there is no such thing for the consumer.Even if the tax cuts are equal to the tax grab,the people who can least afford to pay will be the ones getting screwed over.
I've been a Liberal for decades,and I have little love for Mr.Harper.I think he should be able to move further and more quickly on this issue.I do,however,think he is one of the very few concerned about creating even more poverty by using the old "tax and spend" tactic as a way of controling public behaviour.
Sadly,with Liberals in office for 79 years of the last century,we have become a very left wing country.And I am now convinced there is no future in socialism.
And finally,if Mark Jaccard thinks Dion wants a serious debate about anything,he is living in a fantasy.It is all about making Mr.Dion PM.If they had been serious,or had answers,they would have moved while they were in office.
Period.


Calgarian
said

Hey Billg,

It's not the Hydro that is the largest polluter in Ontario, it's the Coal-fired plants in Ontario… look it up.

Alberta with 1/10 the population is the largest Polluter in Canada, Saskatchewan comes in a distant third. Quebec is mainly Hydro, and so is BC and they are below Saskatchewan which has a much smaller population.


Sanitylost
said

I agree with "billg". What is the rush? Just look at the price of carbon based energy. The on going and apparently permanent high price will reduce emissions probably more than any carbon tax will.
Besides why would we want to start another bureaucracy to administer this anyway?
Just hold on to your pants before doing anything to damage our economy. Believe me the market will force change in our habits...it already has.

No way do I want another tax established by either party.



my take on this
said

ARJAY asked:
Why do conservative people have such a hard time accepting scientific facts?
Scientific fact negates their basic beliefs and that's a reality they can't accept.



Chris
said

PEOPLE... REALIZE THAT IT JUST WON'T BE THE POLLUTERS PAYING... IT WILL BE YOU TOO!!!! GIVE YOUR HEADS A SHAKE AND WAKE UP!!!

Carbon taxes are money grabs, under the 'guise that it will reduce GHG's. Well, like it or not, you will end up paying more for your precious conservation of pollutants than with all other taxes combined... again... WAKE UP YOU PARTISANS... WAKE UP!!!


Andrew
said

When the conservatives say the Liberals are going to raise taxes, left-leaning media yells liar... Even though the liberals have said they will introduce a new tax. The conservatives question this, and you can hear the shrieking and name calling, but still no details revealed.

When the Conservatives are campaigning you hear accusations of "hidden agenda's", but instead of the media and university professors reporting this as dirty politics, is reported as facts.

News should be unbiased.


NoOne
said

Completely unbiased reporting CTV!

I'm amazed that you will go out of your way to find an 'expert' to claim that the conservative's ads are dishonest without demonstrating one thing that is dishonest about their ads. Congratulations, your love for the Liberal party isn't on display with this one ...


Paul R
said

The proposed Liberal Carbon Tax will do nothing but make us less competetive. We can't all live in caves. China, India and other,s will eat Canada's lunch.


Wake Up Call
said

Between 2004 and 2005 China increased it CO2 emissions by 400 Billion Tonnes.
In 2005 Canada produces 650 Billion Tonnes of CO2.
If we meet our commitments and get down to about 400BT of CO2, by 2012 China will likely increase by 2.4 Trillion tonnes of CO2 from 2005 through 2012.
I can now see how this "prominent resource economist" thinks that, increasing taxes by 7 Billion Dollars per year [17-10=7] will be good for the environment, and will lower the price of Gas and Provide for more jobs in the Automobile Manufaturing sector of the Economy.


Alberta Believer
said

Here's a chance for Mark Jaccard to actually make some money, that's provided what he's saying makes sense and he can find some evidence for it (which I doubt). Reason being is that I've yet to see a left-wing economist (Linda McQuaig is not an economist) prove right that one of their theories would actually work.

In this case sadly for Jaccard, he's wrong. You can't possibly raise taxes on business without seeing that new cost of doing business passed on to consumers thereby affecting sale and jobs in the negative. We've all heard this jibber jabber from Jaccard before and there are few in industry who are gonna fall for it.

What he needs to do is latch on to the federal Liberals or NDP as an economic policy adviser.


Wet Westcoaster
said

re:Greg in the Hammer

You've said it all and perfectly. A "revenue-neutral" tax from the Liberals??..hahaha..

Chretien signed the Kyoto Accord on his way out the door, knowing full well that he would never have to live up to it BUT the next Gov't (Tories) would. With all of their majority governments, the Liberals did NOTHING.... but raise taxes and hand out free taxpayer money to try and procure votes. Don't give them the chance to do it again.


Phil
said

to Billg
Th Tory plan is a made for Alberta plan. Canada is still a big carbon exporter and the carbon tax plan hits them hardest. I thought you Ontario guys would have figured that out by now. Consumption at home won't hurt as bad as it will for the oil companies who are reluctant to share the wealth (cheaper fuel)with the rest of the country. That's another story. Seems high gas prices are going to put a pin in the tar sands bubble.


David
said

The problem with this alleged expert is that he presumes the conclusion: that there should be a tax on carbon.
I do not accept that.
We cannot afford to ruin our economy while the rest of the world does nothing. Our only hope for change is managed change, within the framework of a robust economy. With time frames sufficient to develop and implement reduced energy initiatives. These new technologies could be exported.
High energy prices are sufficient to reduce consumer demand. These alone will bring about gradual change. A tax on carbon, no matter how it is viewed, is an additional burden on the economy.
Sorry Mr. Jaccard, but the climate has changed many times, before humans were here. And it will continue to do so no matter what we do.


Nathan
said

First, does anybody else think that this economist is trying to sell his book?

Second, this article is using Jaccard as an 'authority' on economics. But they do a bait and switch and most of his comments are on politics and who is lying.

Third, if the Conservatives are lying then all the Liberals need to do is come out with their policy and show them to be lying. If they don't they are making it up as they go along.


Paul in Calgary
said

Funny how many experts we have on this panel. Has everyone studied economics for 20 years as Jaccard has? Or the environment for their entire life as Suzuki has? My guess is no.

The real question everyone should have on this issue is who should we trust. Should we trust people who have never studied economics (which is far more complex that most people imagine)? How about those that have never studied the environment?

Moreover, why does it seem that most conservative supporters appear afraid to listen to experts who have studied these fields for years, in particular those who disagree with their viewpoint.

I guess to be fair and consistent, if you're not willing to listen to experts on this matter of topic, next time you're sick don't bother listening to the expert: your Doctor. Something tells me that won't happen. The smell of hypocrisy fills the Canadian countryside.


Denise
said

Are people actually naive enough to buy into the "bull" that Dion put forth, suggesting we won't pay more tax, that tax's would be shifted around so the effect would be revenue neutral? Right - and pigs fly. Wake up people. The liberals love spending our money and Dion is eager for his chance at the trough. He is going to say whatever it takes to promote his chances of being elected - and yes it is probably that time again....


Wise Wajid
said

Excellent idea Lart. Also, there are no more Tories in Canada. Tories were proud PROGRESSIVE Conservatives, what we have here are NEO CONS and the two should never be confused. This administration knows no bounds when it comes to dishonest, below the belt tactics. Par for the course...Kudos to Fuelcast for refusing to run Harper's trash.


Daryl
said

Jaccard is the author of the BC "Revenue Nuetral" carbon tax and has a vested interest in his plans being promoted and adopted ( aparently by every level of Government in the Federation... Tax + Tax = 2 x Tax?).

His insane notion that a price on a commodity and/or an externality will curb usage is just plain wrong. Cap and trade worked one time for SO2, it worked because it had a limited economic impact on a small sector with an affordable alternative being availabe for use.
Neither is true in the current situation.

The Carbon Tax in BC hinges on one basic premise, an increase in fossil fuel use ( doing nothing to impact GHG emissions ). It is stated in the budget, and if use declines the tax will increase faster. The nuetrality is delayed by 1 fiscal year perpetually, and is not bound by other income tax rate increases, but will be used to off-set planned increases. The corporate tax relief will be swallowed by the WCI Cap and Trade coming soon to BC. Net result is overall higher tax burdens + rising energy costs = less disposable and investment income = economic impairment.

Yet published tax code will look attractive on paper, fooled Flaherty until Dion picked up a copy and the Finance Minister was forced to read it and the impacts.

Climate Change Fear induced compassion and distraction, Climate Change Compassion ( save the Polar Bears ), Carbon Tax neutrality distraction ( watch the dancing baby ) and they lift your wallet while you are not paying attention.


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