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Date: Thu. Jun. 5 2008 6:12 PM ET
Buzz Hargrove is heading to Detroit for what is expected to be a heated meeting with General Motors Friday.
The head of the Canadian Auto Workers said he will not be in a compromising mood when he meets with the carmaker's top brass -- and that workers are prepared for a full blown strike.
The potential strike would be in protest of GM's decision to close its truck plant in Oshawa, Ont. The CAW head also said he fully supports the current blockade by workers at the entrance to GM's Canadian headquarters in Oshawa.
Hargrove also dismissed a proposal floated by the federal government that would use Ottawa's $250-million Automotive Innovation Fund to help the situation. The fund is meant to help the development of greener and more fuel-efficient vehicles.
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said on CTV's Mike Duffy Live that he recommends that Hargrove be flexible when he goes to Detroit.
Flaherty said Hargrove should "work with General Motors for the new technologies.
"(They're) going to be the sustaining force in the GM plant in Oshawa and the rest of the auto sector in Ontario ... the reality is --with the recession in housing in the U.S. and with the cost of fuel -- pickup trucks are not selling."
Earlier Flaherty had told reporters that he had already spoken with GM about the Automotive Innovation Fund.
"We're going to stay on that as a federal government and if we can participate in funding that innovation then we're certainly going to be there,'' Flaherty had said.
"The key is to work with the union, work with the company to see what's necessary in terms of technological innovation.''
However, Hargrove called Flaherty's offer "smoke and mirrors."
"Even if Mr. Flaherty gave them the whole $50 million a year, it takes $1 billion a year to put a new product in a plant, and it takes it in one year, you don't spread it out over five years," Hargrove said.
"So this is Mr. Flaherty making a political statement that's meaningless in terms of this industry."
Angry workers
Hargrove said workers are frustrated and angry after being told by the union just two weeks ago that their plant was going to remain open past 2011. Hargrove said GM's announcement is in violation of the collective agreement.
Hargrove said he has warned GM the union will fight the company's decision to close the plant -- which could include the implementation of a strike.
Hargrove said it's very simple what they will be demanding at Friday's meeting.
"For General Motors to live up to the collective bargaining agreement that we signed with them just two-and-a-half weeks ago and ratified with our members," he told CTV Newsnet on Thursday afternoon.
If the union leaders aren't happy with the outcome of the meeting, they will explore their legal options and put pressure on the company through the productions systems, Hargrove said.
"We've bargained in good faith. We went through our members and we froze our wages, the first time in our history, we gave up a week's vacation pay, we've frozen our cost of living for five quarters," he said.
"We've done so many things here and the big issue for all of us was to get a product in our plants."
Local union president Chris Buckley says the blockade will remain in place for now. More than 200 workers attended a pep rally later in the afternoon, where Buckley said the union will fight for their livelihoods.
GM shutdowns
GM said Tuesday production at the Oshawa plant and three other North American factories will be shut down next year. All of the plants slated for closure assemble pickup trucks or sport utility vehicles.
GM's shift in direction will see the company add more small fuel-efficient vehicles to its roster.
The closure will eliminate 1,000 jobs in Oshawa, but union leaders said there are 2,600 people who will be out of work at the plant.
Workers say they are both anxious and frustrated by the situation.
"We keep wondering how long it's going to take the Canadian public to wake up and realize that we have to have manufacturing in North America, that we cannot everything to be built in India and China and Mexico," Ron Svajlenko told CTV Toronto.
"Take a look at 2,600 jobs. These people make probably $60,000 a year. Their impact in the community -- their homes, their real estate, the person who serves them their coffee -- everybody's going to get impacted."
Kelly Westfall has worked at GM for 23 years. She is a single mother who had to tell her 18-year old-daughter that she couldn't have the dress she wanted for her prom.
"Her prom's on Friday and she wanted a $300 dress, and I said, 'Sorry, mom doesn't have a job,'" Westfall said.
Labour relations expert Wayne Lewchuk said criticisms that autoworkers are overpaid are inaccurate.
"I don't think autoworkers are overpaid, those are tough jobs and if you've ever done it you know how tough they are," Lewchuk told CTV's Canada AM on Thursday.
"Other places that have high wages -- like Japan and Germany -- they still make cars so it's not the wages that are the issue here."
Instead, Lewchuk said the problem comes down to product.
"You've got to design cars that people want and I think the problem with the 'Big Three' right now is they don't have the cars that people want."
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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Otto
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Kevin from Oshawa
said
Regards.
Chris from MB
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You think GM could have had some foresight... or maybe they just thought that consumers would gobble up anything they put out as usual.
Roger T
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Already producd super sized cars which one buys is really useless when they sit on dealers lots. Shut the plant and blame the Gov't for not taking steps to cap prices.
Dino
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things don't go their way and they strike and cost Gm more money. No wonder most people don't feel sorry for GM employees anymore.
GM is not selling their gas guzlers trucks so why would they keep building them at a plant where all the emplyees are over paid. it's about time they are doing something smart before they go bankrupt.
I'm on your side GM
Ron
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jjaycee98
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Raj
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Aaron in Toronto
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The CON killed manufacturer with the NAFTA and the Liberal did nothing for 13 years and now consider a carbon tax. In these days who can you trust as a governing party?
MP
said
Would there not have been some disclosure for situations where a plant would have to be shutdown for economic reasons?
I seriously doubt that the legal beagles would have omitted a few "loopholes".
Mike
said
I understand that it's an important sector of the economy for one small region in Canada, but it's just not a lot of people.
The rest of us, in other provinces, sometimes wonder why this subject draws so much major media coverage.
Sure, there are assosciated jobs, and those workers put money into their local economy - the same is true of every trade.
If I were living down in canada's manufacturig hub, I'd be more worried about the decline in manufacturing in general.
Far more people in fields that are far more critical get no media coverage at all, but for some reason the fates of a handful of assembly line workers are a major and politicized issue in ontario.
Shouldn't it be on the local or regional news, rather than blown out of proportion?
June
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CJ
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dave
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RRor
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That said, why are Toyota,Honda et al allowed to sell their product here when we aren't allowed to sell our product in their country. I'd like to meet the politician who signed that deal. Politicians should stay out of business in all respects.
Edb
said
Pay/security from a company that's closing, to produce a product that nobody is buying.
Stevie
said
Buddy, wake up and smell the next generation.
Senior Canadian
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James
said
CAW and other unions in manufacturing need to be competive financially with the world to stay open not just Canada
The Other Chris
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Carl
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Wake up people!!
Richard
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Then, if it works, we can build our own kinds of cars in it. Why not turn it into an electric car plant??
Just my thoughts and being proactive - save jobs, create business, everyone is happy. Even GM.
May be a pipe dream? But, why not?
Steve in Fredericton
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mandy
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ME
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What the union should be doing is finding out what they could produce in the place of the big gas guzzlers. Maybe parts or other things to go on eco friendly cars--I'm no expert but there must be something they could produce. Then figuring out a way to convince the company that it should be done here. Buzz Hargrove is a good union leader but what the union needs here is someone who can think outside the box.
DJ
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4wd,fancy stereos,power seats,navigation systems.These trucks would not be so expensive for one thing and probably weigh less by a few hundred pounds they could get a bit better gas mileage
mac
said
Thanks, Flaherty. You and the rest of the Harper Clownservatives are good at sabotaging Canada . . . even though you're busy leaking NATO secrets.
Tina O. Siemens
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Krista
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Don
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Maritimer
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They get away with a few days of not paying your wages, and they have less unsellable vehicles that they take a loss on.
Bryce Code
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Kevin Aubie
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Damian
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They agreed to keep you employed, and then realized they couldn't? Geeze... welcome to the real world, where nothing is guaranteed.
Ben from Ontario
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The truck assembly operation is going to Mexico where the lower wages are, so its Buzz and his expensive workforce to blame flat and simple. And GM is trying to pull the wool over your eyes and say its high gas prices, because their executives still need to make millions per year. Greed kills. I feel sorry for no one except the people that can't see the forest because of the trees.
dave
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TKendell
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Scott Fournier
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Unions are outdated in this day and age.
.... does it make any sense to jeopardize the whole company to keep one plant open for another year or two, like come on Buzz
Bob R.
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Craig
said
Unemployment is still at record lows, jobs are everywhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure Ford is opening a new plant down the road from GM.
Instead of whining, do something for yourself, don't wait for something to be handed to you.
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Roger T, what do you want the government to do? Nationalize the industry so you can save a few bucks on gas?
Yes, that is working in Venezula right now.
LDL
said
Buzz Hargrove is saying "To obscurity and beyond"
Instead of all this whining and crying, why doesn't Buzz do something constructive and meet with GM to see how fast he can get his work force back to a retooled assembly plant where GM can make products people want.
Lindsay Morgan
said
There once was a slogan a few years ago:
"BUY GOODS MADE IN CANADA"
does anyone out there remember that?
I for one drive a buick and have for years, I have absolutely no complaints.
Yes, it cost a little more initially, but I take comfort in the fact that I a supporting Canadian workers. Do you fellow Canadians not realize that closing the Oshawa plant will affect each and everyone of us.
But....I guess you did when you bought your Toyota, Honda etc. etc.
Buckle up it is going to be a tough long, long ride downwards for all of us.
Anne
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EDDY
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Bill down east
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I feel sorry for all GM employees affected however they need to find another job.
Murray
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Wake Up People
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I think Buzz want to go out of work sooner. T don't think GM has any objection with closing sooner.
Bonus to GM!! Nothing to Buzz!!
Eric
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DMS
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GM saves $1B a year by closing this plant, they only have 1 other plant, a joint-venture, and 1000 employees in head-office left in Canada. What happens if they close the last plant to save another $1B per year, transfer 1000 H.O. staff to the US, write a cheque to GoC and GoO for $500M, and re-tool a couple of plants in the U.S. or Mexico?
- they escape the CAW muck-raking in Canada
- save $1B plus per year
- find a cheaper workforce (at least for the next several years, at least)
- presumably drop more overhead on the administrative side
Why make this decision easier for them?
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DM in NB
said
They could call it something like "EV", or "EV-1" or whatever.
I wonder if that would work. Oh, wait...
Hilary
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Chris Tucker
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Carolina
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Koby1Kanoby
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Jason
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Andy
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Jason in Alberta
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People think these guys are overpaid making 30 bucks an hour? I feel teachers are overpaid making 50-70,000 a year, 2-3 months off in the summer, and not even teaching a full day. I worked at a school doing I.T, teachers get hour long breaks and sat in the teachers lounge watching TV.
Good luck CAW, might be some tough times ahead for you folks.
al
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Jack Layton fan club member
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General Motors of China will be opening soon and nobody will care as long as a 2012 Chev Impala sells for $18,000
Johar
said
Instead of us feeling envious of CAW workers, we should all strive to achieve what they got from their employers.
Giving up concessions upto the minimum wage still won't enable us to compete with chinese.
We should be fighting against cheap imports than among ourselves.
And thank Mulroney for starting this so called Global Trade, which will ruin our country.
DJ in Manitoba
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GM
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Al
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R . N . -Belleville Ontario
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Lets br realistic.
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No Name
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GR
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If GM does in fact start making the "Chevrolet Volt -- a plug-in electric car", I will very much buy this electric car.
Hopefully by 2010 once this electric car are in the dealers show room, the sticker price is not "high" priced.
Michel (Ottawa)
said
Ever hear of court?
Unions: Wake up Already!
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Yes, no matter what you may think, the unions are to blame. High wages and poor product quality are a major reason why the Big 3 are doing so bad.
Buzz, go on strike? Wow that makes HEAPS of sense. It will just give GM a reason to stop production and save both face and money. It will be turned around on you, the union, and you will look worse than GM.
So, the best thing to do is weather the storm and either look for a new job (I hear there is need in ALBERTA for skilled folk, but keep your union hat at home) or sit back and live off your overly generous pention/buy-out.
Peace!
shawn e
said
These closures, should have happened years ago except for unions that only cause more problems than they solve... case in point: Here and Now.
I've lost a couple of jobs over time and I've just gone out and found something else, some temporary, cause I realize some money coming in is better than none.
In the auto sector also.
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Nick T
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And, on the flipside of the coin, what does the union think the government should do? This is a private company, so why should taxpayers pay for anything for these people? These employees paid into EI, thats what they get if they aren't able to work this out... It's not the governement's (or taxpayer's) responsibility...
Art
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dodo bird
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Mario
said
He claims that there are unfair trade barriers in places like Japan and Korea. But if North Americans aren't buying GM vehicles what makes him think that the Japanese and Koreans are going to buy them.
The problem here is two fold:
1) A poorly managed company who lacked foresight
2) A greedy militant union who wasn't willing to make the wage concessions necessary to remain competitive.
Gary
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Julia
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Rob J
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Cheers
James
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Union wages ensure our market is not dumped with cheaper automobiles mass produced where labour is no where near Canadian standards.
Buying cheaper is not necessarily better.
Buy Canadian. Be proud! Keep jobs here in Canada.
Jayco
said
1) Builds junk
2) Is shamefully overpaid
Now
3) Is resorting to thuggery intimidation
Congratulations! You have hit the trifecta of reasons why Canadians don't support your plight!
Rob Balfour
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Sanjay
said
Beware of all these moves that your big brother is talking about. All he is interested is getting the union dues and travel on charter planes. He cares less about your job, your security or the health of the dear company that puts food on your table.
Suck CAW up before they suck the manufacturing in Ontario