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Date: Thu. Jun. 5 2008 6:12 PM ET

Buzz Hargrove is heading to Detroit for what is expected to be a heated meeting with General Motors Friday.

The head of the Canadian Auto Workers said he will not be in a compromising mood when he meets with the carmaker's top brass -- and that workers are prepared for a full blown strike.

The potential strike would be in protest of GM's decision to close its truck plant in Oshawa, Ont. The CAW head also said he fully supports the current blockade by workers at the entrance to GM's Canadian headquarters in Oshawa.

Hargrove also dismissed a proposal floated by the federal government that would use Ottawa's $250-million Automotive Innovation Fund to help the situation. The fund is meant to help the development of greener and more fuel-efficient vehicles.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said on CTV's Mike Duffy Live that he recommends that Hargrove be flexible when he goes to Detroit.

Flaherty said Hargrove should "work with General Motors for the new technologies.

"(They're) going to be the sustaining force in the GM plant in Oshawa and the rest of the auto sector in Ontario ... the reality is --with the recession in housing in the U.S. and with the cost of fuel -- pickup trucks are not selling."

Earlier Flaherty had told reporters that he had already spoken with GM about the Automotive Innovation Fund.

"We're going to stay on that as a federal government and if we can participate in funding that innovation then we're certainly going to be there,'' Flaherty had said.

"The key is to work with the union, work with the company to see what's necessary in terms of technological innovation.''

However, Hargrove called Flaherty's offer "smoke and mirrors."

"Even if Mr. Flaherty gave them the whole $50 million a year, it takes $1 billion a year to put a new product in a plant, and it takes it in one year, you don't spread it out over five years," Hargrove said.

"So this is Mr. Flaherty making a political statement that's meaningless in terms of this industry."

Angry workers

Hargrove said workers are frustrated and angry after being told by the union just two weeks ago that their plant was going to remain open past 2011. Hargrove said GM's announcement is in violation of the collective agreement.

Hargrove said he has warned GM the union will fight the company's decision to close the plant -- which could include the implementation of a strike.

Hargrove said it's very simple what they will be demanding at Friday's meeting.

"For General Motors to live up to the collective bargaining agreement that we signed with them just two-and-a-half weeks ago and ratified with our members," he told CTV Newsnet on Thursday afternoon.

If the union leaders aren't happy with the outcome of the meeting, they will explore their legal options and put pressure on the company through the productions systems, Hargrove said.

"We've bargained in good faith. We went through our members and we froze our wages, the first time in our history, we gave up a week's vacation pay, we've frozen our cost of living for five quarters," he said.

"We've done so many things here and the big issue for all of us was to get a product in our plants."

Local union president Chris Buckley says the blockade will remain in place for now. More than 200 workers attended a pep rally later in the afternoon, where Buckley said the union will fight for their livelihoods.

GM shutdowns

GM said Tuesday production at the Oshawa plant and three other North American factories will be shut down next year. All of the plants slated for closure assemble pickup trucks or sport utility vehicles.

GM's shift in direction will see the company add more small fuel-efficient vehicles to its roster.

The closure will eliminate 1,000 jobs in Oshawa, but union leaders said there are 2,600 people who will be out of work at the plant.

Workers say they are both anxious and frustrated by the situation.

"We keep wondering how long it's going to take the Canadian public to wake up and realize that we have to have manufacturing in North America, that we cannot everything to be built in India and China and Mexico," Ron Svajlenko told CTV Toronto.

"Take a look at 2,600 jobs. These people make probably $60,000 a year. Their impact in the community -- their homes, their real estate, the person who serves them their coffee -- everybody's going to get impacted."

Kelly Westfall has worked at GM for 23 years. She is a single mother who had to tell her 18-year old-daughter that she couldn't have the dress she wanted for her prom.

"Her prom's on Friday and she wanted a $300 dress, and I said, 'Sorry, mom doesn't have a job,'" Westfall said.

Labour relations expert Wayne Lewchuk said criticisms that autoworkers are overpaid are inaccurate.

"I don't think autoworkers are overpaid, those are tough jobs and if you've ever done it you know how tough they are," Lewchuk told CTV's Canada AM on Thursday.

"Other places that have high wages -- like Japan and Germany -- they still make cars so it's not the wages that are the issue here."

Instead, Lewchuk said the problem comes down to product.

"You've got to design cars that people want and I think the problem with the 'Big Three' right now is they don't have the cars that people want."

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Otto
said

good move "Buzz" so the company can close down sooner


Kevin from Oshawa
said

Here is an idea for the members and management of CAW: Lets not act like children on a bad day (i.e. throw a tantrum) and lets start acting like grown men and women. Walking off the job because you are getting laid off is only helping GM make the decision for you. You are actually voluntarily walking off the job and thus laying off yourselves. Like this article says "The key is the work with the union, work with the company to see what's necessary in terms of technological innovation". Here is how it will most likely happen: GM will close the plant for a year or two while it develops some new model; members and management of CAW will campaign tirelessly to smear GM and the rest of the 'Big Three'; GM will announce the retrofit of the Oshawa GM plant; CAW members and management will feel like children for not being patient; GM will open the plant and all will be back to what it was with the exception of the plant creating products that are WANTED.

Regards.


Chris from MB
said

"You've got to design cars that people want and I think the problem with the 'Big Three' right now is they don't have the cars that people want."

You think GM could have had some foresight... or maybe they just thought that consumers would gobble up anything they put out as usual.


Roger T
said

Protest for what, it's not up to the employees to protest in order to keep it open. Don't blame GM blame our Gov't for NOT stepping in to control the rising fuel cost for consumers. The GM employees got paid already and got their benifits so it's pointless to protest over paid dues to them.

Already producd super sized cars which one buys is really useless when they sit on dealers lots. Shut the plant and blame the Gov't for not taking steps to cap prices.


Dino
said

here they go again
things don't go their way and they strike and cost Gm more money. No wonder most people don't feel sorry for GM employees anymore.

GM is not selling their gas guzlers trucks so why would they keep building them at a plant where all the emplyees are over paid. it's about time they are doing something smart before they go bankrupt.
I'm on your side GM




Ron
said

Buzz is out of touch. He is going to put the CAW out on an illegal strike to force GM to employ his members. Yup that will work.


jjaycee98
said

That will learn 'em! They are going to lay you off with severance and an ROE and you will go on strike so they can close the plant and give you nothing.


Raj
said

I am so tired of unions.They had a place in this country and did some good.But their time has come and gone.Unions are bullies, and they disrupt other peoples lives. They hold goverements etc ranson in my opinion really Buzz, go away


Aaron in Toronto
said

Very confusing...is it 1000 or 2600??? Also the Fed is considering to inject 250 mil, isn't it similar to what the Ontario Liberal did? I really hate how they change the name and then pretend it is two totally different things. Maybe I am wrong or too old to tell the difference. And, if we were to spend 250 mil (maybe more), why not setup a company which is 100% Canadian instead of giving the money away to a US company?

The CON killed manufacturer with the NAFTA and the Liberal did nothing for 13 years and now consider a carbon tax. In these days who can you trust as a governing party?


MP
said

I'd be curious about the fine print on their renewed contracts....

Would there not have been some disclosure for situations where a plant would have to be shutdown for economic reasons?

I seriously doubt that the legal beagles would have omitted a few "loopholes".


Mike
said

How many front-line, assembly plant auto workers are there in all of Canada? 50,000? Less?

I understand that it's an important sector of the economy for one small region in Canada, but it's just not a lot of people.

The rest of us, in other provinces, sometimes wonder why this subject draws so much major media coverage.

Sure, there are assosciated jobs, and those workers put money into their local economy - the same is true of every trade.

If I were living down in canada's manufacturig hub, I'd be more worried about the decline in manufacturing in general.

Far more people in fields that are far more critical get no media coverage at all, but for some reason the fates of a handful of assembly line workers are a major and politicized issue in ontario.

Shouldn't it be on the local or regional news, rather than blown out of proportion?




June
said

I hope GM locks them all out for good... and then puts the plant up for sale... and then never returns to Canada, lesson learned. Other car makers, take note.


CJ
said

Someone give this guy a wakeup call! GM is closing the plant but hey, let's put the workers on the picket line so they can earn for who knows how long a few dollars a day - which CAW will pay on the line - instead of their 20+ an hour in the factory while they can still earn it. If my union said we were walking in these circumstances I'd spend the time handing out resumes or looking for new options. My advice, get educated. I have an advanced degree (Masters) and believe me, looking for work is so much easier because of it!


dave
said

Politicians will be sing this for obvious reasons, but what is government supposed to do--nationalize the auto industry? Smells like communism to me. Japanese auto makers continue to make money, and expand their facilities. The auto industry isnt the ONLY industry in Canada, and the fact that politicians will not admit it, the economy is in good shape.


RRor
said

I don't understand why you would strike when you're being laid off, it makes little sense. I'm sure GM knows the employees are upset but I don't think they're going to be too concerned about a strike, they may just decide to close shop earlier.
That said, why are Toyota,Honda et al allowed to sell their product here when we aren't allowed to sell our product in their country. I'd like to meet the politician who signed that deal. Politicians should stay out of business in all respects.


Edb
said

STRIKE FOR WHAT??
Pay/security from a company that's closing, to produce a product that nobody is buying.


Stevie
said

ok I'm wondering... does Buzz think it makes perfect sense to continue building gas guzzling trucks & SUVs even though the demand for them is falling drastically??? Or does he simply want to continue adding to a surplus of inventory only for the sake of his union members keeping their jobs??

Buddy, wake up and smell the next generation.



Senior Canadian
said

Hargrove Go Ahead and Strike Like You Have In Previous Years and Drove Wages and Benefits Up, This Time GM May Close Down The Whole Industry In Oshawa and Move Everything Out Of The Country. Good Luck I Think Its Time To Wake Up And Smell The Roses.


James
said



CAW and other unions in manufacturing need to be competive financially with the world to stay open not just Canada




The Other Chris
said

Classic Buzz. He's a complete dinosaur. I wouldn't buy a GM product if they were giving them away. He - and GM - have been so far out of touch with the world, it is unbelievable. Go ahead strike away, that will fix the price of oil, turn back the clock on globalization, and the fact that no one wants GM vehicles...


Carl
said

I assume Buzz will work thru this collecting only strike pay, like everyone else he is persuading to walk out. What?, you mean he keeps his full pay? How surprising!!! (Not)
Wake up people!!


Richard
said

I'd like to see GM perhaps give the plant back to the government of Ontario. If not enough then to sell it to Ontario.

Then, if it works, we can build our own kinds of cars in it. Why not turn it into an electric car plant??

Just my thoughts and being proactive - save jobs, create business, everyone is happy. Even GM.

May be a pipe dream? But, why not?


Steve in Fredericton
said

This isn't rocket science; build small, fuel efficient cars that will have a place in the market and pay the workers what their worth instead of what they'd like. If that's not good enough for them (the GM workers and CAW), I'm sure there's plenty of opportunity in the food service or custodial fields. Don't snivel about your chosen station in life. If you don't like your life (or job), change it.



mandy
said

If they strike I hope GM closes all auto plants in Canada


ME
said

Strikes only work if the company wants the men back at work and are losing money over it. It won't work here. Confrontation is not the way in this case.

What the union should be doing is finding out what they could produce in the place of the big gas guzzlers. Maybe parts or other things to go on eco friendly cars--I'm no expert but there must be something they could produce. Then figuring out a way to convince the company that it should be done here. Buzz Hargrove is a good union leader but what the union needs here is someone who can think outside the box.


DJ
said

Maybe if GM made a truck without all the excess power goodies,leather interior,mirrors that signal,full carpet,touch
4wd,fancy stereos,power seats,navigation systems.These trucks would not be so expensive for one thing and probably weigh less by a few hundred pounds they could get a bit better gas mileage


mac
said

Conservative government finance minister told corporations not to invest in Ontario . . . so they took the hint.

Thanks, Flaherty. You and the rest of the Harper Clownservatives are good at sabotaging Canada . . . even though you're busy leaking NATO secrets.




Tina O. Siemens
said

Why would GM build vehicles just to sit on their lot? Everybody wants vehicles that are more efficient in gas. The majority of Canadians can't afford gas guzzlers.


Krista
said

What about the spin off companies?? No one ever seems to care about us. My husband works in a headlight manufacturing company. There is a tonne of people that have already been laid off because of the striking axle plant and more to come. But no one cares because we are not "GM" and the employees are making much more at GM than this factory. Gm made their own problems instead of going with more cost effective vehicles. So when you think of 1000 employees or 2000 losing their jobs think again there is many more. Good luck to all the employees in the auto industry everywhere!


Don
said

In a free enterprise system why is it the governement's responsibility to keep people working???? Why can't companies survive on their own initiatives??? the problem for unions is they think it is the governments job to create a market for their products. the Big3 do sell to other markets, they just don't make that product here in North America. what the unions want is for the Big3 to make everything here to keep their union dues flowing into their coffers. they think they are entitled to their entitlement of access to ALL markets. the foreign car companies do exactly the same thing. they manufacture/assemble the products they sell here in North America. i think it is working the way it is supposed to be working. of course that doesn't excuse GM management of dropping the ball either in the "what people want" department. they manufactured what people were buying. gas gusseling trucks & suv's. the writing was on the wall back in the 70's & 80's oil-wise but they didn't adjust. only the foreign car manufacturers saw what would eventually happen. Now the Big3 have to play catch up.....again. hope they are smart enough.


Maritimer
said

Yeah, its really going to hurt GM when you go on strike and stop making vehicles they can't sell anyways.

They get away with a few days of not paying your wages, and they have less unsellable vehicles that they take a loss on.


Bryce Code
said

Buzz is beyond out of touch. No wonder he didn't run for Parliament, where you actually have to be accountable for your actions. Last time I looked, unless GM is truly imcompetent, management made the decisions and employees followed, not the other way around. If Buzz were running the show, GM would have gone out of business long ago.



Kevin Aubie
said

There's that feeling of entitlement that usually goes with a big union. Does Buzz really think a strike will make the company decide to continue to make a vehicle nobody's buying. What a moron.


Damian
said

Businesses exist to make money, to make a profit, not simply to provide employment opportunities for unionized labor. I cannot help but laugh at the attitude(s) expressed by the union management, and some of the membership re this. Yes, why don't we try to force a money-losing business to stay open, just for the sake of paying your salaries??? What planet do you live on?
They agreed to keep you employed, and then realized they couldn't? Geeze... welcome to the real world, where nothing is guaranteed.



Ben from Ontario
said

Trucks are not extinct people, think!! local governments, municipalities, fire police, construction need trucks. What are they going to use, smart cars, when they have to go out and fill pot holes in the spring?
The truck assembly operation is going to Mexico where the lower wages are, so its Buzz and his expensive workforce to blame flat and simple. And GM is trying to pull the wool over your eyes and say its high gas prices, because their executives still need to make millions per year. Greed kills. I feel sorry for no one except the people that can't see the forest because of the trees.


dave
said

buzz He is going to put the CAW out on an illegal strike to force GM to employ his members. Yup that will work.




TKendell
said

You're bang on, Kevin. Instead of the usual new model lead-in, which rarely disrupts production, GM has to take drastic measures. This is why the plant will shut down in late 2009 to "retool" for new models... as quickly as possible, so they have a more efficient product by the 2010-11 model year. This is a temporary, but necessary mass layoff, and Buzz and the Boys are going to hurt themselves if they're not being smart about this.


Scott Fournier
said

here's another case of Unions not looking at the big picture....

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Unions are outdated in this day and age.

.... does it make any sense to jeopardize the whole company to keep one plant open for another year or two, like come on Buzz


Bob R.
said

I certainly don't think it is right to be paying these people the wages they get for the work they do. Come on, little or no education and the money they make is sickening. Then we have highly skilled, highly educated people in this country who are doctors, engineers, academics, driving taxis and doing janitorial work because they were educated abroad. Something is broken here and I have no sympathy. Keep on striking Buzz, cause the vultures are a coming.


Craig
said

Why don't the workers use this energy for something productive, like looking for new jobs.

Unemployment is still at record lows, jobs are everywhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure Ford is opening a new plant down the road from GM.

Instead of whining, do something for yourself, don't wait for something to be handed to you.
----------

Roger T, what do you want the government to do? Nationalize the industry so you can save a few bucks on gas?

Yes, that is working in Venezula right now.


LDL
said

Buzz Lightyear said "To infinity and beyond"

Buzz Hargrove is saying "To obscurity and beyond"

Instead of all this whining and crying, why doesn't Buzz do something constructive and meet with GM to see how fast he can get his work force back to a retooled assembly plant where GM can make products people want.


Lindsay Morgan
said

Hey fellow Canadians:

There once was a slogan a few years ago:
"BUY GOODS MADE IN CANADA"
does anyone out there remember that?
I for one drive a buick and have for years, I have absolutely no complaints.
Yes, it cost a little more initially, but I take comfort in the fact that I a supporting Canadian workers. Do you fellow Canadians not realize that closing the Oshawa plant will affect each and everyone of us.
But....I guess you did when you bought your Toyota, Honda etc. etc.
Buckle up it is going to be a tough long, long ride downwards for all of us.



Anne
said

to Kevin - Do not lump GM workers in with the comments that Buzz makes. The GM workers I know do not want to strike. They just want the company to live up to an agreement they made two weeks ago. Whats so wrong with that!!


EDDY
said

Yeah strike all you want. I dont buy GM Cars for one reason and one reason only, THEY ARE CRAP!! , don't try to force me to buy a piece of crap compared to a Honda, Toyota. YOu want us to buy your cars then give us value for our money, that easy! Its my money and no Government, Union or worker will tell me where to spend it, you want it make a product worth while me investing my money in it, thats easy, What is so difficult for Buzz, GM and these workers to understand about that. So good Luck in your strike, but my money nor my tax money should be going to your crappy vehicles.


Bill down east
said

Go ahead go on strike. GM should close the plant immediately/permanently. The times are changing. Shake your head BUZZ. What is the plant building? Who is going to buy these gas-guzzling vehicles? Not me, and not any responsible person without any reason. All the GM workers now have time to look for another job knowing their future with GM is coming to an end. It's called planning. It is obvious that GM made a mistake in guaranteeing employment of the plant until 2011. Any NDP member who supported the Liberal party is a trader anyways.
I feel sorry for all GM employees affected however they need to find another job.


Murray
said

If the GM workers want to protest go stand in front of the gas stations and protest the high price of gas which is causing GM to make this decision..How stupid are these people!!They threaten to strike because a company has to quit manufacturing a product thay know will be hard to sell and the workers and "Dizzy Buzz" can't figure it out!!!Do all of you people need to take a lesson in math?? And what is this going to prove??Your not only driving GM farther in to financial difficulties but your risking the chance of plant closure and more jobs..And don't worry Buzz will be still smiling and gettting a cheque..Best think this one out!!!!


Wake Up People
said

At least workers have a year to work and in the mean time to decide the alternatives.

I think Buzz want to go out of work sooner. T don't think GM has any objection with closing sooner.

Bonus to GM!! Nothing to Buzz!!


Eric
said

Ron: Its not an illegal strike if GM is violating the terms of the CBA. If GM did in fact say they will keep the plant open for the duration of the current CBA, then they are indeed in some hot water. But not necessarily so...What has killed GM is their accountants. Cars were built on the cheap to feed the bottom line, not based on true martketing. These very smart accountants have, no doubt, done the math that its cheaper to violate the CBA, and offer early retirements and payouts for the remainder of the CBA, rather then keep the plant open. I think what Buzz is concerned about is his legacy, and the dwindling membership of the CAW. Less employed members means less revenue for the CAW, through its dues.


DMS
said

Hmmm...

GM saves $1B a year by closing this plant, they only have 1 other plant, a joint-venture, and 1000 employees in head-office left in Canada. What happens if they close the last plant to save another $1B per year, transfer 1000 H.O. staff to the US, write a cheque to GoC and GoO for $500M, and re-tool a couple of plants in the U.S. or Mexico?

- they escape the CAW muck-raking in Canada
- save $1B plus per year
- find a cheaper workforce (at least for the next several years, at least)
- presumably drop more overhead on the administrative side

Why make this decision easier for them?

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DM in NB
said

If only GM could make a fully electric vehicle, in high demand, that everyone wants.

They could call it something like "EV", or "EV-1" or whatever.

I wonder if that would work. Oh, wait...



Hilary
said

What does the union not understand here. People do not want these types of vehicles so what is GM to do? Keep people employed so that Buzz and his buddies may continue to receive their big fat paycheques for bankrupting a company?


Chris Tucker
said

My greatest beef or peeve is the fact that government actually uses taxpayer money to prop up faltering industries. It's called capitalism and the free market. This form of "aid" amounts to corporate welfare. Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich.


Carolina
said

One of the best rules of marketing is a good product is one that sells. Listen to your customers. GM has to bring over the designs from Europe and the rest of the world. We need small fuel efficient vehicles! I drive a 4 cylinder with good gas mileage, style and guts. OOOPPPPS!!! It's Japanese! No surprise there.


Koby1Kanoby
said

If Flim-Flam-Jim is going to tap into the Green fund, I'd rather see the GM plant turned into a solar power panel plant. Save their jobs and the planet at the same time. Or at least make up for the environmental damage all the previously produced trucks have done.


Jason
said

Yeah, it's the government's fault for high gas prices. Not the dramatically increased global demands (India, China, Africa, South America, Africa) for a limited natural resource (Oil). It's pretty simple, when demand is greater than supply, prices go up. Even if there were ZERO taxes on gas, the prices would still be skyrocketing. Find another scapegoat.


Andy
said

The time for Unions has passed.


Jason in Alberta
said

GM is wrong in doing this, after making a deal with the union a few weeks ago, and now shutting the plant. This is very wrong. I will never buy a GM vehicle. I am pro union, I have worked at jobs where i didnt get overtime, benefits, proper pay. Its good to have a unified voice to bring to your employer.

People think these guys are overpaid making 30 bucks an hour? I feel teachers are overpaid making 50-70,000 a year, 2-3 months off in the summer, and not even teaching a full day. I worked at a school doing I.T, teachers get hour long breaks and sat in the teachers lounge watching TV.

Good luck CAW, might be some tough times ahead for you folks.


al
said

It may be a bad move but people ,they are humans too and if you dont support them at least leave them alone.Its probably the last weapon left in their arsenal, so why not use it.


Jack Layton fan club member
said

The Union continues to screw itself. This is just the beginning; others will follow in order to close the pipeline of cash going to overpaid labourers pension funds.
General Motors of China will be opening soon and nobody will care as long as a 2012 Chev Impala sells for $18,000


Johar
said

I think CAW is smart by blockading the GM office building and not the plant. This way the production didn't stop and they got their frustration across.

Instead of us feeling envious of CAW workers, we should all strive to achieve what they got from their employers.

Giving up concessions upto the minimum wage still won't enable us to compete with chinese.

We should be fighting against cheap imports than among ourselves.

And thank Mulroney for starting this so called Global Trade, which will ruin our country.


DJ in Manitoba
said

It is absolutely a crime that GM signs a contract with workers that give up wage increases and benefits knowing fully well that they(GM) are going to close the plants & lay all those worker off.


GM
said

It's not the governments fault, if it's anyones fault it's the big 3 for not adjusting to consumer demands. The shift in the market happened years ago but they were too ignorant to see it.


Al
said

Well unfortunately Buzz most people in Canada don't agree with you. Autoworkers are overpaid and trucks are no longer viable as an everyday taxi. They won't cut out building them altogether but I agree with GM that production should be cut down, and they should concentrate on more environmentally friendly vehicles.


R . N . -Belleville Ontario
said

Canadians dont realize it yet , but we are going to bankrupt our country by purchasing off-shore products . We are putting our fellow -canadians out of jobs - sending profits from automotive purchases over-seas.......in the long run it will cost EVERY CANADIAN alot more when they decide to buy Honda /Nissan/Mazda /Toyota / Kia / Hyundai ....etc . It would be a much different story if we were permitted to ship vehicles to Japan / China /Korea in volumes that are equivalent , but our government has not done the neccesary trade deals to ensure that happens . In short we should only bring into Canada an equal amount to that which we export . This would save canadians money and jobs ! We are selling our future every time a non domestic product gets purchased ! We have already done it with toys / furniture and electronics - now automobiles - whats next?


Lets br realistic.
said

I really don't think that more government funding is the answer to this problem. I feel for the people who depend on these jobs. However if a company has decided that it will no longer produce a high quantity of trucks because sales are down that is just the market. My father lost his high paying labour job in the 90's. If no one wants to buy what you make or it has become too expensive to produce trucks in Oshawa government money will simply be wasted. There is still some time to figure out a more sustainable solution. I don't know what it would be but there is more than enough high priced help out there that could take some of this never ending government auto sector money and figure it out.


No Name
said

Calling an illegal strike won't solve the problem. Get with the times and listen to people not the CAW head guys who get paid wheather its members are on strike or not.


GR
said

It is good that they are closing down the "truck plant" in Oshawa and the other 3 truck production plant in North America. It seems that GM has finally opened its eyes. No wonder these truck and SUV are gas guzzler. Moreover, these truck and SUV pollute the environment.

If GM does in fact start making the "Chevrolet Volt -- a plug-in electric car", I will very much buy this electric car.

Hopefully by 2010 once this electric car are in the dealers show room, the sticker price is not "high" priced.


Michel (Ottawa)
said

This really shows how out of touch with reality these folks actually are. GM announces a closing date that contradicts a recently signed collective agreement and these bright people's solution is a strike? Sounds like shooting oneself in the foot. They would be doing GM a favor and may encourage them to close the plant sooner.
Ever hear of court?


Unions: Wake up Already!
said

We should all recall the 80's song, "Video Killed the Radio Star", but instead sing "Unions Killed the Domestic Big 3".

Yes, no matter what you may think, the unions are to blame. High wages and poor product quality are a major reason why the Big 3 are doing so bad.

Buzz, go on strike? Wow that makes HEAPS of sense. It will just give GM a reason to stop production and save both face and money. It will be turned around on you, the union, and you will look worse than GM.

So, the best thing to do is weather the storm and either look for a new job (I hear there is need in ALBERTA for skilled folk, but keep your union hat at home) or sit back and live off your overly generous pention/buy-out.

Peace!


shawn e
said

bunch of whining crybabies! It sickens me. It's as if they are the first employees ever to be laid off. As if no one has ever lost a job other than car manufacturing employees. GET OVER YOURSELVES, update your CVs and start applying for new work... you've got a year!

These closures, should have happened years ago except for unions that only cause more problems than they solve... case in point: Here and Now.

I've lost a couple of jobs over time and I've just gone out and found something else, some temporary, cause I realize some money coming in is better than none.


In the auto sector also.
said

Earth to Buzz. You currently have the sympathy of the public. If you go out on strike you will lose public support. You will also give GM exactly what they want. Think it through, use the courts and lobby the government.


Nick T
said

Did they think of maybe converting the plant from a truck plant to producing the Volt or other small vehicles that are selling (or going to sell)?

And, on the flipside of the coin, what does the union think the government should do? This is a private company, so why should taxpayers pay for anything for these people? These employees paid into EI, thats what they get if they aren't able to work this out... It's not the governement's (or taxpayer's) responsibility...


Art
said

I don't want my tax money going to am American corporation that has not made smart manufacturing decisions for years, and still isn't! The Camaro builds in Oshawa are going to be history soon too , fact ! As well , to support GM ( foriegn company ) based on poorly manufactured products and not Honda and Toyota's ( foreign companies ) quality products and expanding in Ontario is just plain wrong. You cannot reward failure , besides the government has no business investing in the private sector.


dodo bird
said

Memories of Union workers picketing the closure of the Edmonton Maple Leaf plant closure in the the late '90s. I still see the image....Union worker waving a picket sign as the truck roles out of the plants gate with equipment securely loaded. Prime example of losing sight of the big picture.


Mario
said

Buzz Hargrove can blame the federal government all he wants the bottom line is GM is not a well managed company.

He claims that there are unfair trade barriers in places like Japan and Korea. But if North Americans aren't buying GM vehicles what makes him think that the Japanese and Koreans are going to buy them.

The problem here is two fold:
1) A poorly managed company who lacked foresight
2) A greedy militant union who wasn't willing to make the wage concessions necessary to remain competitive.


Gary
said

Just goes to show ya how out of touch unions are..Thuggery in its most lethal sense ain't gonna do squat for ya now Buzz..That one card that you have played for generations to get what you want has been overplayed...People don't wanna buy your unionized, overpriced gas guzzlers anymore..So who's head are ya gonna hold a gun to now?..I suggest your own:)

Julia
said

Buzz and every overpaid union official are to blame for this fiasco; had the union not 'negotiated' such inflated benefit, pension and wage packages in the first place, perhaps they would not be in the position they're in today. Boo.


Rob J
said

I am just getting sick of this being a headline. I mean for the love of pete, if you are producing a product that nobody is buying then why would you continue producing it. I got an idea, you guys keep building the trucks then open another plant across the street to disassemble them. Then ship the parts back across the street to be reassembled. That would create another 2000 jobs!! The best part is the McGuinty Libs will fund the whole thing on the backs of tax payers. Man, I should be in politics.
Cheers



James
said

We as Canadians should be pleased with our standard of living here in Canada.

Union wages ensure our market is not dumped with cheaper automobiles mass produced where labour is no where near Canadian standards.

Buying cheaper is not necessarily better.

Buy Canadian. Be proud! Keep jobs here in Canada.


Jayco
said

The CAW:

1) Builds junk
2) Is shamefully overpaid

Now

3) Is resorting to thuggery intimidation

Congratulations! You have hit the trifecta of reasons why Canadians don't support your plight!


Rob Balfour
said

I really don't know where some people get information from, they are online here posting garbage statements, so surely they can look up and read , be informed. G.M has no cars they want?? hello?? building the best truck on the market, second to none, you seem to miss the point that trucks are NEEDED, G.M. has just desided to move it to Mexico and the U.S.A.,after signing a contract for the new product. I would really like to know just what some of you think we actually do for a job, stand there and toss a paper matt in the back seat?? most of you really have no idea what it is like working in these plants, and i know a few people myself that are bitter at me making a good wage when they arent,bitter because they never got hired and bitter wiht no union to help them get anywhere. Dont have a union to help you, dont cry to me because i do.I could type on here all day long, and most of you wouldnt read it , as it does say what you want it too.Want to really help out everywhere? try boycotting a gas station..most of us are doing Esso... gas prices are way out of line and killing Canada, and the U.S.A.


Sanjay
said

Hello union brothers,

Beware of all these moves that your big brother is talking about. All he is interested is getting the union dues and travel on charter planes. He cares less about your job, your security or the health of the dear company that puts food on your table.
Suck CAW up before they suck the manufacturing in Ontario


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