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Date: Wed. Jun. 4 2008 6:04 PM ET
Officials with the Canadian Auto Workers union Local 222 have secured a meeting with General Motors chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner in Detroit on Friday morning.
But local union president Chris Buckley says the blockade angry workers set up at the company's Canadian head office in Oshawa, Ont., will remain in place.
Buckley said he was disappointed union leaders couldn't meet with Wagoner on Wednesday.
Workers are hosting the demonstration to protest the closure of a truck assembly plant by the end of next year.
Earlier in the day, Buckley said the blockade would be in place for "as long as it takes."
At least 100 workers wearing red T-shirts with the logo "Made in Canada Matters'' formed the blockade at about 4:30 a.m. The size of the group grew throughout the day, and other local unions joined in as well.
GM decided to shut the building down for the day and send staff home. There are about 1,000 employees at the headquarters, and some worked from other locations or from home.
Production at the Oshawa plant and three other North American factories will be shut down next year in response to "a clear shift from trucks and SUVs toward cars and crossovers" among North American buyers, the company said.
All of the plants slated for closure assemble pickup trucks or sport utility vehicles.
GM said Tuesday the closure will eliminate 1,000 jobs in Oshawa, but union leaders said there are 2,600 people who will be out of work at the plant.
"We are demanding that General Motors reverse their decision to close their best truck plant in the corporation," Buckley told CTV's Canada AM on Wednesday morning.
"At the very least, we're demanding that the General Motors executives sit down with us so that we can attempt to work through this."
David Paterson, vice-president of corporate and environmental affairs for GM Canada, said Wednesday morning the doors were "wide open" for talks. He said company officials were already on the ground talking to union leaders.
Paterson said the company shares in the frustration being felt by workers.
"We're clearly facing a really fundamental shift from trucks to cars in the marketplace and we're going to have to adjust to that," Paterson told CTV's Canada AM.
Buckley said the union is upset because they just finished bargaining a new three-year collective agreement, which was ratified two weeks ago.
"General Motors committed to us in writing that we would get the next generation of light-duty pickup trucks," Buckley said.
"As of yesterday, General Motors has betrayed us and that is bad-faith bargaining."
Gord Fitzgerald, who has worked for the automaker for more than 20 years, protested with his five-year-old daughter on Wednesday. Fitzgerald has two other children to provide for.
"It's the people that give them the quality, not the product, so give us a different product and we'll give them award-winning quality with that," he told CTV Toronto.
To help ease the transition, Paterson said GM is going to try to maximize the number of people who can move directly onto a GM pension.
"It's a much better way than moving people to layoff," he said.
Paterson said the final solution to the problem is to "produce the right kind of cars that people want to buy."
Buckley said workers were instructed to stay on the job Wednesday.
"I am telling my members in the workplace to remain on their jobs. I want my members to continue to build the best trucks in the industry and the best cars in the industry," he said.
"Let the local union leadership handle the situation."
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty says he sympathizes with the workers affected by the plant closure.
"I can understand where these men and women are coming from -- this is their livelihood," McGuinty told reporters.
"My assurance to them is that we will continue to fight as hard as we can for new investment in Ontario and we will also do everything we can to help them get back on their feet."
The premier says he will announce details in the coming days about the government's skills training plan for those whose jobs are at risk.
McGuinty said he remains optimistic that Oshawa will land more auto jobs in the future.
GM's shift in direction will see the company add more small, fuel-efficient vehicles to its roster. It also has plans to have the Chevrolet Volt -- a plug-in electric car -- in dealers' showrooms by the end of 2010.
The cuts announced on Tuesday should save GM US$1 billion a year, in addition to earlier cuts worth roughly US$15 billion.
With a report from CTV Toronto's Naomi Parness
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Jim
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Thanks
Mark
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Perhaps the series of strikes, militant unions and entitled union workers will take a closer look in the mirror now when looking for who to blame.
-legendary gas prices
-collapse of the housing in US mortgage business
-slowing economy
-Liberals and 'Kyoto'.
Reality strikes ladies and gentlemen.
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mario
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Dave
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make way too much for what they do.
Dave
FRAZ
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bman
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Steve in Aylmer
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To the workers at GM:
Someone just moved your cheese!
If you're looking for suggestions on what song you should have playing as you drive out of town...try "My HomeTown" by Bruce Springsteen.
"Foreman say's these jobs are going boy's and they ain't coming back, to your hometown, to your hometown..."
JoeC
said
What's wrong with this picture?
Wayne Ouellette
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poor planning and excessive labour costs. The industry has a place here with the right products but even mcguinty can't buy his way out of this issue or blame everybody else. Thanks to the people who make decisions, there may be more people leaving the province and going where the jobs are. That would be, Alberta, Sask and NFLD. Meanwhile back in old Ontario we will continue to vote in liberals and suffer the consequences.
greg
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BOB
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pp
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Don't they know that by walking off the job they are in fact saving the company money? And they themselves are NOT making money?
So funny. I was almost feeling sorry for these people but now I just think they are Union Brainwashed Sheep. Baaaaaaaa.....
How's the 'Walk off the Job' thing working for you guys - eh?
People - Get a trade - Get a real job and Get security.
Education + Skills + Gumpshun = job security. Of course you're likely NOT going to make $40/hr and get your lovely all important benefits and pension plan. But if you manage your money and live within your means you should do well. I do... OH and maybe just maybe you will find a job that you really really enjoy! I did... But I guess I have not been brainwashed to think I am incapable of doing anything better with my life.
Sandra
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Give your head a shake.
Unions killed GM in Canada.
Sandy
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Just suck it up things like this happen - it is called life. The economy is to blame, not GM. GM workers should go find a job that is more secure if they don't like being laid off.
The way to go is smaller, more fuel economy vehicles, Hybrids....... It is about time that we take the environment into consideration and not drive big SUV's and Trucks.
Peter
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Cris
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Chief Executive Rick Wagoner's salary and other compensation rose 64 percent in 2007 to about $15.7 million, mainly due to option grants, according to a proxy filed on Friday.
Wagoner's compensation rose from about $9.57 million in 2006. The figure was arrived at based on Wagoner's salary, all other compensation and the basis of annual grants.
GM paid Wagoner a salary of $1.6 million in 2007, along with $1.8 million in non-equity incentive compensation and nearly $700,000 for other compensation that includes insurance benefits, security, aircraft expenses and other factors.
No wonder GM is losing money..
Sean
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Matt
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Windsor Non-Auto Worker
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JPT
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Mainly because of hourly wages, wonderful benefits and if life isn't peachy let's just go on diabilty for six months.I know several GM employees that think this is what they are entitled too--just because they work for GM. Well guess what I own two GM products and will not be buying another--Two trani's in one after 120,ooo miles. What a joke--the ride is over fellas and good luck living on what the rest of us have had to.
B. MacKenzie
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TKendell
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Greed has its conseqences...
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Where was Bizz Hargrove?
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Mark
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Do you go into your boss in the morning and offer to work for less and then give away your families health bennifts?
2-doorEcho
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Steve G
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GM is violating a collective agreement that was signed off two weeks ago.
It's unfortunate you don't have the stones to standup to your employer and demand they live up to their end of a deal. With such weakness and apathy, it is no wonder wages and benefits aren't keeping up with the cost of living.
Best of luck to the Oshawa workers-stand united.
D.D.
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David fm NS
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Ollie
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1.) The Ontario Provincial Government for playing a parental role and buying blue collar votes by 'giving' our tax dollars away,
2.) CAW members by being duped into thinking that there really is 'job security' and by thinking that education means nothing and that they are 'entitled' to a very good income (yes, very good all things considered),
3.) Fat-cat CAW union management for duping the CAW members year after year,
4.) The Canadian and American federal governments for allowing these gas guzzlers on the road to begin with unless you have a business that requires having carrying or towing capacity,
5.) The American and Canadian consumers who insist that they will drive what they want to drive in spite of the cost to us all,
6.) General Motors who continue to fumble (or so it seems) from one crisis to the next,
7.) Speculators who have helped to drive the price of crude into an unknown territory and
8.) Who have I forgotten as the list is getting so long that it's becoming a calamity not a plant closure.
Edb
said
These union guys are truly delusional!
George
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Unions are businesses, the CAW is a poorly operated one that believes labour tactics from the 50's and 60's will work in this era of globalization.
Tyler
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Tell Japan, Korea, and China, etc. that for every car they sell here, they have to take one imported "Big Three" car over there.
Sure, some of "their" cars are made here, but where do the profit $$ go???
If they can profit in our market, then why can't we profit in theirs???
Andrew
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Paul
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I hope the government doesn't bail out the auto industry again. Unions are very much out of step with reality with the rest of the Canadian work force.
Douglas
said
"You better starting swimming or you'll sink like a stone, for the times they are achangin"
Kind of scary too!
Doug
sdgreen
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Unions are one of the reasons our economy is so fragile.
R J
said
...Let's protest
$40.00 an hour double that on over time
80% pay when your layed off
GEE WHY ARE WE CLOSING PLANTS hay I got an idea lets stop work ..boy we'll show them in head office.
NOW lets not forget those boys in the GLASS house ever wonder about there pay and benifits ?
When the rest of us poor bastards lost our jobs nobody bailed us out.
Bring on a lower priced better fuel operating car...AH !! now which would you buy.
Sorry I don't feel one bit hurt for any of the auto workers
Todd
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See the trend yet? How many plants in SW Ontario (assembly and parts plants) are suffering? The list is too long... and the CAW is attached to most of them.
Union workers take note...you're on a sinking ship. Find a job where you can work hard and rest on your own merits... not those of a Union, banding together to make ridiculous demands, and sinking industry!
Carol Flowers
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Something that was NEGOTIATED over the years through the CAW. Without a union do you think GM would be paying these people $30 an hour, NO!
I am sick of people saying well you make good money, suck it up, and do what go join the millions working for $9 an hour at Walmart??
That should really get the economy booming.
Yes these workers make good money for a job that is tedious, boring, and in most cases they have injuries due to the repetitive work.
Despite everything Oshawa is the #1 plant because the workers do care about the product they build and GM needs to give the town of Oshawa some security for the future.
Do not forgot that there is a lot of tax paying dollars that come out of that plant for a $30 an hour job, 46 per cent of it goes to the government.
For years we have been supporting numerous charties, GM workers put a huge amount of money into the hospital and not to mention the tax payers money that went for the people who were too lazy to work and sat at home on welfare.
I fear to think what Oshawa will be like if we lose all of GM, nothing but a ghost town.
Shame on you Oshawa residents who put these hard working people down, whether you like it or not it IS your bread and butter also
darren
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George
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TKG
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Wages- Why does everyone protest union members wages, but not that of senior management? Or executives? How about they take a pay cut, or reduced benefits during their retirement.
And side note, the high wages also help compensate for the high toll on one's physical body that a lot of the jobs have. Not everyone is turning a screw.
To pp- Some of them are in the trades. Like metal workers, electricians, and look where it's gotten them. Still about to be laid off.
Tara
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Madashell
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Danny
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Too Bad, So Sad
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Six months goes by and I'm loving my raise, I'm making a tonne of cash and I barely have to work at all for it.
Now, my company has come on hard times and is no longer making a profit. The company needs to downsize and cut costs where necessary. I was axed since I made more money than my job warranted.
This story is fiction, but the reality is not.
Every person in every industry needs to work for their money. Unions have destroyed GM from the inside and those workers have their own ignorance to blame.
You all should suck it up and stop expecting handouts. Get retrained and get another job, simple as that.
Max
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THE TAIL CAN'T WAG THE DOG; ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DOG IS ALMOST DEAD. YOUR COLLECTIVE AGREEMENT WAS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE, FOLKS. YOUR COMPANY MAKES A PRODUCT PEOPLE DON'T WANT. DESPITE THE FOOLISH INVESTMENT OF TAXPAYER MONEY BY YOUR GOVERNMENT, THE FAT LADY HAS BEEN SINGING FOR A LONG WHILE. IT'S TIME TO QUIT PRETENDING YOU'VE BEEN HOOD-WINKED, AND GET A JOB WITH A COMPANY THAT UNDERSTANDS ITS OWN MARKET.
bruce nicolson
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The big 3 and their unions wre operating in never never land and refused to make meaningful change.
McGuinty,s govt.is also treating us like idiots.
He subsidizes the truck industry while bringing in a cap and trade system!!How long are we going to accept this incompetence?
pp
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Yes they have a skill and now they can go out and get another job. All good things must come to an end. I changed from a Nurse (after 12 yrs) when Mike Harris decided we no longer needed Nurses and went into IT - I am a Programmer Analyst make way more money and have a better job - no weekends, no shift work, pension, benefits full time work... but it was NOT easy - I had to WORK MY BUTT OFF.
These workers need to understand that life is what you make of it. NOT what someone else makes for you. Esp these silly unions who make these people think they are incapable of doing nothing else. Brainwashed into thinking they will get nothing else - baaaaaaa.....
I am no sheep that's for sure.... I make my own way in the world. So should they.
Viv
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Unions are archaic
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Po
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And don't go blaming Liberals or Conservatives, this is GM not living up to its promises (and if you've bought one of their cars, you'll notice this is a recurring theme with them).
CAW workers have every right to be angry but instead of crying over spilled milk, why not go to other car manufacturers and offer them the workers, the plant (which I'm sure could be converted to make compacts or something else)and the incentives you'll get back from GM?
Obviously GM is struggling and it has been for YEARS, why not try to lure Toyota, Honda, Subaru or Nissan over to Oshawa instead of trying to deal with an employer who has proven himself to be unreliable.
John
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Paul B
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In exchange for that workers gave up wages, benefeits, vacation time, etc., saving GM millions in exchange for future production. The workers have a right to be angry. If this was just a normal plant closure that would be a different story. The fact GM took the concessions based on false promises(given in writing), is what has given rise to this protest.
Ted
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wont allow this
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SHEEP - BAAAAAAHH
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DCR
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Jeebus
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IT can be done. GM amkes the best products in the world. Everyone need to get on board!
Nowonder
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Unless Canada starts working on green energy and green product manufacturing, this is only the beginning of what will happen to our industry.
Steve
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P.S. don't go all psycho when you try to get back into the workforce and can't find a $35/hr job with all them cushy benefits!
OshawaGal
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So again ..suck it up! blame yourself, not the company, you are becoming too much a liability to the company so like any smart company they are doing some house cleaning. I think they should have canned you all ages ago, along with your union.
Kudos to GM
Tracy
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Kevin in Sk
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People say carbon needs to have a cost; this is it. The cost is lost jobs, lost industry, and human misery.
Wendy
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My heart goes out to these people but hey, that's life in Ontario/Canada and the manufacturing sector period.
Chris
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It's not the workers fault that they make good money. Who among you would turn down a $40/hr job with a good pension and good benefits plan? That's right...
And those of you saying "just accept it..." Would you just sit back when you were told you're losing your job? You wouldn't fight, or try to figure something out? Get off the soap boxes you're accusing the GM workers of standing on.
June
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barb.
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WTL
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It makes business sense to close the plant until demand changes. Perhaps retool the plant to make something else?
Jim
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Pickles
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1-800-856-8488
Canadian Forces is alway recruiting
TM
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Shamaro
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GM's truck plant in Oshawa is the most efficient assembly plant in all of General Motors.
With the state of the art technology allows GM to assemble the entire truck with very little labour involved.
Compared to their sister plants in the States, this assembly plant is light years ahead of them in technology.
I have had the opportunity in my career to travel through many, many GM assembly plants and none of them in the States can compare to the efficiency or the Quality that this plant produces.
The Canadian and Ontario governments have paid millions in taxpayers dollars as an incentive to GM to keep things running here in Ontario and to keep investing.
This as far as I can see is an American made decision to put Canadians out of work in GM's most efficient plant. GM will keep truck plants running in the US, but by using twice as many employee's and satisfying Senators and Congressman during an election year down there.
I hope everything works out well for people at the GM truck assembly plant, because they really are quality individuals who make a good solid quality product. Best of luck to all of you.
DRH
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SUNSHINE
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Rob - British Columbia
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Second let me say that I have never had to work so little to get paid so much.
Is the work repetitive, yes but it's not hard.
My plant was closed down due to the high costs of labor and I lost my job. So I moved on, got more education, and relocated. THATS LIFE.
Even with more education it has taken 8 years to get back to the wage I was makeing at the plant but in retrospect now I see that for my education level at the time and effort I had to put in on the production line I should not have been getting $30 an hour to begin with.
Nate
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RRO
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Perhaps that is what got you in this position in the first place. This country does not want to realize we need to create new economy jobs not try to hold onto the old. The Union raised costs so high the companies can't compete. I am suprised it took this long to happen.
Reece
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Bill
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Hybrid Hal
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Hilary
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Tomas
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Jason Daniel Baker
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That whole biofuels debacle has really blown up in every ones faces except for the lobbyists that helped make it popular.
alan
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just wait till you people in southern ontario vote in mr kyoto(dion). mr dion will start implemenmting kyoto and his carbon tax plan...if this happens... watch out people
matv
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Michelle
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PBW
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I sense a little of the same happening here. Like Arthur Scargill, the well-paid Buzz Hargrove is urging his workers along a path that will result in two things, just as in Britain. First, the plants involved will close anyway, regardless of - or perhaps even because of - their militant action; and second, as a direct result, the union will be split and lose most of its power.
Pehaps Buzz should call Scargill for pointers.
Carrie
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That's kind of the point. Do you think a company that isn't making much of a profit can afford to pay these people $30 an hour plus benefits indefinitely?
Yes, the execs are making a killing. Show me a giant corporation where that isn't the case though.
Unions demand better pay and more perks, and then the workers are led into a false sense of security. They come to believe that they're entitled to everything they're getting, even if it's detrimental to their employers. And where does that leave them? Without employers, that's where.
Sharon
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Sharon
Sharon
CR
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As far as honouring this new contract, they are honouring it up until 2009 the company can close today and no contract can stop that any company can do as they please when they please.
Aaron/Calgary
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Anne
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For every job lost at the GM plant, 6-7 jobs are lost in the auto industry. Approximately 15,600-18,200 unionized AND non unionized jobs will be lost with the truck plant closure.
GM Oshawa has also won JD Power and Associates Awards for Plant Quality in North and South America in 2002, 2003, 2005 and 2006.
GM has fuel efficient vehicles offered at reasonable prices but has been slow jumping on the hybrid band wagon. I guess that is why GM is building assembly plants in Mexico, India, China. Workers there are non-unionized, do not receive health care benefits, and make just enough money to put food on the table. More money for GM...wonder what the quality will be like?
I shop at Canadian Tire, The Bay, Rona, and Loblaws ( I believe all Canadian-owned companies) as I want to support our economy and the people who work for these companies.
Good luck GM employees.
Shaun
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And no i'm not talking about the trucks from Toyota or Nissan or LOL Honda.
My streets lined with 3/4 ton trucks. I can't walk 15 feet without seeing one, it's quite an impressive sight.
Man I love Alberta!
Well Paid and Over Worked
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In case any of you GM workers out there think you have it rough and this recent termination of your livlihood isn't fair, feel free to pick up a rifle and join me in Afghanistan. The pay is good and the benefits are excellent... the working hours kinda suck and there's always that risk of IED or ambush... but other than that, the job security is sound. We may ask you to actually work for your paycheck though.
The Hawk
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To Mark:
If the union workers were to "look in the mirror", you expect them to see "legendary gas prices, collapse of the housing in US mortgage business, slowing economy, Liberals and 'Kyoto'"? Splatter your thoughts much?
To pp:
I've been laid off 3 times in my life - all sales jobs - all IT - each time after making quota consistently, year after year. It was always due to corporate restructuring and a decision to eliminate the part of the business I was in. Your formula made me laugh: "Education + Skills + Gumpshun = job security". I have the education (BSc Computer Science & Math). I have the skills and gumption (surpassed quota 22 out of 24 years). What I don't have control of is corporate direction. This caused me to get OUT of IT in 2004. Feel free to enjoy your ride in IT, but care to re-think your formula?
To D.D.:
You think getting rid of unions gets rid of job cuts? Think again.
A final thought:
I guess a better question than "Why do people write such drivel?", is "Why do I keep reading it?"
Searching for intelligent life ... Hello? ... Hello?
Robert
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GM
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MP
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"And those of you saying "just accept it..." Would you just sit back when you were told you're losing your job? You wouldn't fight, or try to figure something out? Get off the soap boxes you're accusing the GM workers of standing on."
I've been in the IT industry for over 10 years and bounced from company to company... it's a way of life my friend...
You do what is necessary to survive.
Anyone, union or not, who actually believe that your job is secure then you better call a shrink.
Edward in Vancouver
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80 years ago unions were needed to ensure fair wages and healthy working conditions. People could go to work and lose money if they made a mistake. But today unions are bullies who preach entitlement.
While GM may have renegotiated with the union, the fact is a contract does little good when the company is at risk of going bankrupt.
PG
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Bluenoser
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James
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Since the 70's, we have slowly and surely lost automotive sales market share to imports. It's simple. We want Canadian jobs, we have to employ Canadian people and purchase Canadian products workers take pride in building.
Canada is a big country with a harsh climate and long winter where light and heavy duty trucks are not just nice to have, but necessary. We do need four wheel drive trucks.
Personally, I have owned GM cars and have been very pleased with their reliability, comfort, service and mileage.
Be proud, buy Canadian.
Former Laid off Mill Worker
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I had no skills but to work in a sawmill, pushing buttons.
The BC forest industry helped me back in the late 90s (when the forest industry was crashing), get upgraded and into an engineering program when there was word the sawmill I worked in was closing. Now I have a great job with a high salary, with a lot of future potential. I thank the BC forest industry and will never forget it.
Heather
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Carolina
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There is an expression that goes when a door closes, a window opens. Meanwhile, it's hell in the hallway.
I think the GM workers aren't just mourning jobs but a lifestyle. Yea it's sad, change is scary. That gravy train has left the station.
Eve
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We need 4X4's
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How can companies quit making SUVs, there are families that have more than 3 children that require larger vehicles.
We live in a country where the snow can be 3' deep. If it was not for the 4 wheel drive trucks and SUV's there would be a lot of people unable to get to work. When buses are pulled out of service those with the proper vehicle can get to work.
Everyone thinks that cutting out the use of trucks/SUV's is the answer but it is not. Car pooling is. Every company in Canada should on their safety board have a Car Pool posted. Large companies should supply busing from a designated spot to the workplace.
There are a lot of bigger problems than that caused by a vehicle, especially a new one.
Everyone that is cheering for the closure to these plants obviously does not have a family member enployed there. Adding economic hardship to so many is not a solution.
FORD, GM and Chrysler need to be more dilligent and build consumers vehicles that are eco friendly and still safe and gas efficient. With the technology today that does not sound like a stretch.
For those of you complaining about cars/trucks how about shutting off your darn air conditioner in your houses, you are wasting my air space.
Mark
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GM produces cars for the people, and not create or keep jobs alive.
The demand for big vehicles, which the factory produces, is on a major decline, and the salaries and benefits the unionized employees recieved are way too high. The high wages don't allow for GM to be competitive in the global market place.
That's just the reality of things.
private sector employee
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And, businesses are generally in the business of making a profit. If keeping this plant open doesn't make financial sense to the bigger picture, then of course they're going to close it.
And as for the workers who are protesting because they don't want to lose their job - it really is a time for a reality check: JOB SECURITY DOES NOT (NOR SHOULD IT) EXIST!
And don't even get me started on the government hand-outs they've gotten. I'd love it if the gov't subsidized my job, but I live in the real world.
Carolina
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JohnKanata
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To GM - Since the workers have walked off the job, you might as well close the plant down immediately.
Andy Zimmer
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I work for Magna and all three north american companies allow less quality parts to go on their vehicles. American quality is poor compared to the Japanese as well as they are gas guzzling vehicles and not wanted in todays economy.
Graham
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However, I think that perhaps we should back up a little.
Years ago a Canadian who had worked his way up in the Union (then one union) suggested that GM look at what Toyota was doing with its' recent development of a new 'type' of car.
Both GM and other union executive told him in no certain terms that he was wrong.
Also, the government AND the big three have done nothing -well perhaps token work - on developing fuel efficient cars.
All three manufactirers have the technology - hidden away. Look at the 60-100 mile a gallon carburettor that was hushed up. Look at the mysterious recall of the electric car in California.
Also, do not forget that Harper has done absolutely nothing to encourage fuel efficient cars. Look at the two companies in Canada that manufacture hybrid cars (Halifax, Vancouver and one other) that are NOT allowed to sell their cars in Canada, but sell thousands to the States and Europe. In fact after a report on CBC National one evening re their problems, they got clearance the next day -but must now get permission from EACH province to sell their cars. I beleive the Vancouver company has now been sold to Pakistan.
Also, do not forget how much money inn taxes that the government would lose.
It is all a game of smoke and mirrors.
Will GM return any loans ? Has Bombardier ?
Things will only deterioate I am afraid, they do not care for the little man on the street anymore.
SC
said
Are you kidding me? It's called working for a living. My husband does not work in a unionized workplace and neither do I. We work 40 hour weeks at half the wage of the unionized workers, and we have to really watch our budget. You snivelling about making a "decent" living is like a spoiled rich kid whining about how much he "needs" to survive. All of the GM workers should have seen the writing on the wall long ago and started putting some of their HUGE wages away for a rainy day. The rainy day is here.
And by the way. I am not uneducated. And we also have to deal with rising fuel costs and the cost of living. Welcome to our world.
Linda in Vancouver
said
And neither my ex or my father could have made a living without them.
As for fuel,there is not reason,other than taxes, that we should be paying so much more than the USA.In fact, we have more than we need in Canada.We should be buying it from Alberta at world prices,refining it here, and selling it to Canadians first. If lower taxes are simply replaced by higher energy costs,then manufacturing of any kind will continue to decline in Canada.
Neil
said
Ok, so 'as long as it takes'for the housing problem in the US to resolve, for gas prices to drop back to $0.70/litre, a solution to global warning, etc, etc...... HOPE YOU PACKED A LUNCH
Hailey
said
For other's that think all GM workers are uneducated and keep mentioning that they need to get some education and find a real job, I think you would be surprised how many workers actually have a college or university degree. Due to the fact that many people could earn a higher wage working at GM then in their own field after graduation, that's exactly what they did. Given the opportunity, I would do the same. The problem now is that these workers have a diploma/degree that is 15 to 20+ years old with no experience in that field. How useful is that going to be in starting a new career?
Instead of criticizing these workers and arguing over facts that many of you don't even understand, you should consider the devastation that these workers and their families are experiencing at the moment.
christine weessies
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John P
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This plant has one of the highest quality standards of all the GM plants. I understand if the vehicle isn't viable anymore with today's gas prices. GM should retrofit the plant and make another vehicle here.
What they will do is build plants in Mexico because of the cheap labour. This is a losing strategy. Mexico makes lousy cars. Audi moved production to Mexico and they ended up moving production back to Germany.
Honda and Toyota build the best mas produced cars in the world and both firms are very profitable. Do you see either of those firms moving production to Mexico? No they build in Japan, US and Canada. They charge more for their cars than Ford/GM/Chrysler and they outsell them. Why? Because the initial cost of the car is only part of the total cost. Repair and maintenance can be huge. Japanese cars require less because they are better built and people are buying peace of mind because they know the cars are reliable.
The other issues at stake if the hundreds of millions of taxpayer money GM has received. McGuinty is a moron, he should have put conditions on that money. One would have been no closing any plants for 10 years.
a retired truck plant worker
said
And who will make up for all the tax money that will be lost to our country? Will you, who attack the wages, volunteer to pay more taxes to make up for the loss? I bet you would whine about it.
mottawa
said
The government has to get off the gravy train and take some decisive action before it's too late.
howard
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DC
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Chris
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Roger T
said
Good on gas and better quality.
Brian
said
Why must the government always bail you guys out??
What makes you so special??
Maybe the government should help out the working poor, not the lazy elite who do nothing but complain.
Maybe the CAW needs to re-evaluate their own 'higher ups' (Buzz) and do their own corporate restructuring.
Ron McDonald
said
Torrential Rain
Earthquakes
Tornados
Hurricanes
Flooding
Deforestation
Food chain decline
Animal Extinction
Poverty
130 Million starving
I hope GM stays out of business.
pp
said
Oh yes you're right I forgot the most important part of the equation:
Education + Skills + gumpshun + PEOPLE SKILLS = successful job.
Sorry that your BSc is not getting you anywhere, but Sales Jobs are notorious for instability.
There are plenty of jobs in IT if you know where to look. Maybe IT is just not for you... IT just doesn't necessarily mean being a Tech Analyst - the IT field stretchs from Geographical Information Systems to Retail Information systems... etc.
I am hoping the GM workers realise that all they need is a bit of encouragement and training and the willingness to work hard and realize that they will likely NOT be making $40/hr but they can make a good living.
Yours truly, Intellegent Life
Jessica Turner
said
slowing economy,
Liberals and 'Kyoto'. But, all those peaple are going to be out of jobs, and most of them may have families. So I ask -you and every body else- this. Have ever had no job (for what ever length of time) and still pay the bills, put a roof over you and your families heads, and food on the table?
Bryce Paup
said
I find it devastating to EVEYONES economical future as a result of this closing. But lets face it, all in the bargaining unit were all over GM when the company was strong and profitable. You guys demanded more money, more benefits and other benefits. You took advantage of the companies position in a competitive market. The cost of driving sky rockets and now you have a problem????? All of you in the bargaining unit are the reason why people can't afford a GM vehicle. Its sad that your families welfare is at risk because of your greed. I really hope this works out well, not because of your jobs, but because of the consequences it will have on everyone. So stop being so selfish!
Simon
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Canadian Kid
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kevin philip
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GM Supporter
said
This has nothing to do with unions, "fat" pay cheques, etc. Unions exist. This has nothing to do with GM employees making a higher salary - that is what they negotiated. We all had the option to apply for employment with GM - we choose not to. It is unfair to critize the employees.
Our government must stop the import of foreign cars and foreign auto manufacturing in Canada. We must focus on our own Big Three.
I am not a union member and I am not employed in the auto industry. I do however, support our Big Three by only buying/leasing cars manufactured in Canada.
Shame on General Motors for negotiating the most recent collective agreement in a hurried fashion - just to spring this plant closure on its employees. Whatever happened to good faith bargaining?
deacon1
said
Youe live in a dream world...why would I use my hard earned monery, and I mean HARD EARNED...to buy a GM product that will cost me more money to run than other cars???/ Just beacuse you consider it Canadian??? GM's profits go to GM in the USA....GM employes Canadian workers just like....HONDA and TOYOTA. While GM closes, TOYOTA is building a plant just down the road from me...hmmmm
Damian
said
Well, now, GM is shutting down operations, and the union is bitching and moaning, because it's addicted to a world where it gets whatever it wants, and that world is ending.
The union (and all unions elsewhere in the world) needs to realize that businesses operate to make MONEY, to make PROFIT, and don't just exist for the purpose of providing unionized labor with ridiculous pay and benefits, far beyond what the market can support and justify.
Am I happy that so many people will be unemployed? Of course not, it's my tax money which will pay their unemployment benefits, but the tone and the attitude of the union and (some of) the membership make it impossible to have any sympathy for them.
Fellow CAW member Local 2002
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Rick
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Shawn
said
How about offering incentives to new green industries and technology. Ontario has a trained workforce and nowhere to put them.
James
said
Just like buying someone a drink, it has spin-offs that stimulate the economy. Pretzels, appetizers, dinners, movies are all possible.
With the production of one GM truck in Oshawa, the worker recieves a union wage which he/she spends at stores, restaurants, entertainment, groceries etc thus producing at least seven spin-off employment opportunities. We all spend a little and with baby steps, we could have the economy like the 80's again. It can happen.
Aaron/ Calgary
said
Think folks: GM makes a poor quality product today. Think about how that quality will further deteriorate if these disgruntled workers go back on the assembly line.
Gord
said
Through all this they never forgot they, together with their employer, had to stay healthy and competitive in order to keep the good times rolling.
He would be appalled at these fat cat Buzz Hargrove, Sid Ryan and Jack Layton showboaters capitalizing on this latest Oshawa misery pretending to care rather than helping GM who's been hit with this swift thunderbolt make survival changes. They should be unselfishly helping work on survival plans for GM rather than this in your face selfish confrontation. GM exists to produce vehicles, not to perserve unsustainable products and the jobs for those who build these unsustainable products. Times change and it seems CAW needs new leadership and an invitation to Sid Ryan and Jack Layton to butt out on issues that they know little about other than reaping political capital for their own selfish reasons.
Chris
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Scott
said
Every dealer I talked to during my car search told me that truck and SUV sales were way down this year.
SMB
said
There are all types of unionized jobs. You fail to see the forest for the trees.
Workers who are underpaid as you mention and left without choices become angry, unproductive workers. That is well documented.
Mark
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Dawn
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Windsor Non-Auto Worker (to Anne)
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Regarding buying GM-built vehicles: I have owned four Big 3 built vehicles in my lifetime; all of which lived up to the used car guide cautions, as each cost me thousands in various problems. Since then I have purchased two Toyotas; both were built in Canada, therefore SUPPORTING the workers in Canada who manufactured them, and yet CAW members here think nothing of screaming at me for driving what they erroneously refer to as an "import". Other than routine maintenance, these vehicles have been 100% reliable. And the workers building Toyota products seem to be quite content, without belonging to the CAW.
To those who maintain that "one lost GM job equals X number (usually 6 or 7) other jobs", I would like to see the study that you attribute this mythical statistic to. While there can be no doubt that society will be impacted, I'm comfortable in theorizing that 2,500 lost jobs does not equate to 17,500.
A
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Debra
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Leon
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Get to work people!
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It's so easy sitting on the sidelines under the veil of anonymity this forum allows us.
Tired GM Worker
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John Byrne
said
I have been reading the comments made by people, and am amazed at the narrow minded views being expressed. One would think that before you comment on something, you would do your research. As an employee of GM for almost 32 yrs. I have nothing to appologize for when it comes to what I recieve in wages and benefits. GM would not give them if they couldn't afford them. And not that it's any of your business, but if you must know, our wages and benefits only make up 2 to 4% of the cost of building the vehicles we produce. Oshawa is a world class auto facility with intellegent and hard working employees who, over the years have been responsible for generating billons of dollars in profit for GM. They have also been responsilbe for giving millons of those (as you would put it) unwarrented wages to various charities. The bottom line is this, do your research before you comment on something you know nothing about.
Elaine wife of retired GM worker
said
You may think life is easy working for GM but its not and don't think for one minute that the pensions are top of the line because they are not.
sassha
said