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Date: Sun. May. 25 2008 9:49 PM ET

NDP Leader Jack Layton's opposition to a carbon tax shows he's more interested in hurting the Liberals than helping the environment, says Green Party Leader Elizabeth May.

"We need to act on the climate crisis, and a carbon tax is a litmus test of whether a party is serious about it or not," May told CTV's Question Period on Sunday.

Layton's opposition to a carbon tax "is not part of the global social democratic approach," she said, adding his political rivalry with the Liberals may be driving policy.

The Green Party also advocates a carbon tax. The Liberals will soon unveil a proposal that would shift taxes off income and onto carbon, with the overall tax burden remaining unchanged. By putting a price on carbon, people will theoretically use less, thus helping reduce the greenhouse gas emissions that are driving climate change.

Layton has taken some blows from environmentalists for his party's stance, including David Suzuki, perhaps the most prominent environmentalist in Canada.

"I'm really shocked with the NDP with this. I thought that they had a very progressive environmental outlook," Suzuki told Question Period on May 18.

Layton told Question Period that his party supports the pricing of carbon and that his party's policies are in line with many of those promoted by the David Suzuki Foundation.

The solution promoted by Layton involves "cap and trade" -- putting a strict limit on greenhouse gas emissions by what he called the "big polluters." Those polluters would pay if they exceed, and the revenues would be directed by the government to climate-friendly initiatives, he said.

"Things like helping weatherize homes right across the country, creating thousands and thousands of jobs for Canadians and reducing their bills and greenhouse gas emissions," he said.

The NDP would see more green cars built in Canada and invest in public transit and renewable energy, Layton said.

A cap-and-trade system would move more quickly than a carbon tax. Big oil and gas supports a carbon tax, while U.S. Democrat Barack Obama supports cap-and-trade, he said.

But environmentalist Stephen Hazell of the Sierra Club has said cap-and-trade systems take a long time to develop.

Tories oppose carbon tax

Conservative Environment Minister John Baird told Question Period on May 18 that his government will "force the big polluters, big corporate polluters" to pay for their emissions.

"(Liberal Leader Stephane) Dion wants to give some sort of unlimited licence to pollute and just simply allow big business to buy their way out of this problem," he said.

Layton said his party's policies were nothing like those of the Harper government. Prime Minister Stephen Harper "has his head stuck in the tar sands," he said.

May called cap-and-trade a "right-wing, free-market approach" -- although she conceded her party supported it on a sectoral basis.

Some have said a carbon tax could drive up home heating costs and adversely affect those least able to bear the additional cost.

Properly implemented, a carbon tax would protect the vulnerable by shifting taxes and providing income supplements to low-income households, May said.

High taxes on income and payroll don't give Canadians the financial flexibility to do things like increase the energy efficiency of their homes, she said.

"It needs to be explained, but I think Canadians are smart enough to understand the idea that we need to ensure that we reduce our use of fossil fuels, that the climate crisis is upon us, and this is not the only thing we need to do, but it is the foundation for a successful climate policy," May said.

Oil prices are high and likely to stay there in the near term. Some analysts think introducing a carbon tax now would be a politically risky move.

"Canadians are sick of politicians who don't tell them the truth," May said.

Some politicians "want to pander to prices at the pump while ignoring disappearing glaciers, persistent droughts and increased storm events," she said.

"We need to act on the climate crisis, and I'm disappointed that Mr. Layton is on the wrong side of this one."

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jdude
said

Instead of a carbon tax, why doesn't the government invest in alternate fuels? Similarily to Iceland, Canada has resources that could surpass the world in these innovations.


reg fine
said

The suzuki foundation is no longer a non-partisan organization, and should be taxed accordingly. That might alleviate some the stench of hypocrisy.


Justin Williams
said

The Green support for “green taxes” and carbon taxes reflect their inability to use systems thinking to review their own policies. Support for green taxes should be viewed as a litmus test for whether a person or party understands how to create policies based on environmental justice and the social impacts of their policy or if they are just interested in creating quick, sound bite answers.

If May and her liberal friends have their way, those who cannot afford the high costs of energy retrofits paying for subsidies to those who currently can. It is a regressive policy and a step towards a much more regressive tax structure in Canada.



Ken P.
said

Who in their right mind would trust the Liberals to keep this tax revenue neutral ??


Socialism is killing us.
said

I say tax the Greens, NDP and Liberals into oblivion. Much simpler.


Jonzo
said

i think that a carbon tax would help force the industry and governments to invest in alternative fuels. the way companies continue to profit largely based on oil and gas, it would force them to switch to more alternative fuels to save the costs. without a tax, it would be business-as-usual with no consequence for using fossil fuels.


Greg in the Hammer
said

A combination of a carbon tax and income supplements to poorer Canadians will simply bankrupt both the country and the middle class.

Canada is not Europe. Our climate dictates we use fossil fuels to heat our homes, transport our goods and people. We will continue to do this for the forseeable future.

Even in Europe, especially the UK there is a growing backlash and realization that a carbon tax is not working. Its simply a cash cow for government.

Regulating industry while investing in infrastructure and transit initiatives, as well as alternative fuels and energy systems is the way to proceed in my view.


Stephen Green
said

Carbon taxes applied broadly simply puts the poor and the middle class into a negative position. Further such is so far reaching that all goods and services will advance in cost. The Conservatives have a better plan.


inversity
said

From whom will the carbon tax come? Not from the profit-oriented companies or the government, but from you and I--the average Canadians. If there was a way to forward this tax as a pure deduction off of corporate profits, without affecting the prices we pay (including gasoline at the pump), I, too, would be in favour of a carbon tax. However, if keeping the globe green means starving more people on this planet while the rich grow richer...well, it will, ultimately, one day, lead to a global revolution in economics, more than in the environment.

Those two parties--the environment and economics--seem to be at war with each other, and politicians of all stipes seem to want to protect their own interests rather than Canadian interest. This also applies to corporations and foundations, as well as scientists, both in the fields of economics and the environment.

There seems to be no way out of the impasse, at present...


Agreeing With the NDP
said

A carbon tax will never be revenue neutral. It's not possible.

The trickle down effect will invade every aspect of our lives and sink the economy as well as shuffle most of us off to the poorhouse.

The Greens want it that way though. The oppose a high standard of living for most of society other than themselves. The environmental groups make millions of dollars every year.


Ted
said

We already have so many laws here, that the multi-nationals are shipping all their dirty work off shore to countries, such as China, where anything goes. Perhaps we have to go after the real culprits. Then again, our government isn't going to get much green tax out of China, are they. Is it really about pollution or is it just about the money as usual.


W Wall
said

My respect for the NDP just went up a notch.

Carbon taxes are useless for reducing emissions. They just hurt rural folk and drive up the price of heating, groceries and anything else shipped by truck.

There's a lot of good ways to deal with the environment. A carbon tax on fuel is NOT one of them, especially in a struggling economy.


LeMontrealais
said

May is absolutely right. A carbon tax is quite simply the most effective, rational and equitable way of tackling greenhouse gases, and Layton is looking ever more ridiculous and hypocritical with his obsessive "gas-pump gouging" pandering. I remember when the NDP was actually the most principled party in Ottawa . It seems the Greens have now taken that role.


Andrew in BC
said

The only way I would ever agree to a carbon tax would be if the income tax was fully abolished...seeing WWI is over maybe it is time for such a move. If not, how am I expected to feed my family with the added increase to my already exploding monthly bills!?


Bowmanvillian
said

Read the proposal people! Gas won't be taxed. So stop worrying about that.
As for how it will effect us, there are many countries using a carbon tax already and the results so far have been promising. It's done much better than a cap and trade system which has only made some wealthy individuals wealthier.


Reuben
said

The Greens are in no position to talk considering they can't even elect their own leader to the House.

I like the NDP's ideas more than this Carbon Tax crap. I guess the Liberals and Green don't think we're taxed enough as it is...

JR
said

Oh my goodness!! are we still on this green crap!! There is no problem, therefore no tax required. What would be good is if they considered lowering the gas tax so my V8 hemi can live a happy life and enjoy the benifits of the boom that fuels this country!

david
said

Tax-shifting is a liberal socialist term which really means, tax-shafting! Canadians are smarter than this.


Fred
said

Socialism is killing us.
"I say tax the Greens, NDP and Liberals into oblivion. Much simpler."

right and by doing so, turn Canada into a one party dictatorship?

CLOKE
said

The carbon tax will hurt the poor who cannot benefit from imcome tax because they do not earn enough to pay. But they will have to pay the higher cost of heating their homes and the increase in transportation, The poor would pay the brunt of the costs

BW
said

To Bowmanvillian;

If the Libs follow through and tax the things that are bad they will either tax the oil companies or bring in an additional consupmtion tax.

EITHER WAY the price to fill up everyones car will go up.

ME
said

Examine where both the green and NDP has their support. The NDP has most of it's support in the north and the greens in the suburban south. Who is going to be hit the hardest by a carbon tax--we in the north.
First in the town I live in there is no bus service so we have to drive. Secondly our temperatures are much colder than the south. Hence we use more gas or oil to heat our houses.
Why is taxation the only way to go and what will it solve? Those who can or must will still drive. It's just harder on those who must.
A carbon tax doesn't work, it's just more revenue for the government it will solve nothing.


Shawn
said

Any politican who feels that the carbon tax is a good thing at this point in time should not be elected as they lack common sense.....but look it is a Liberal idea. GO FIGURE.

I can't wait for this to put out and the goverment to be toppled so we can elect a Conservative majority.

BW
said

The Libs are talking about bring in a revenue neutral Carbon tax that will shift taxes from things that they want to discourage to things that they want to encourage.

Listen people revenue neutral only means that they will spend the extra money that they bring in. It DOES NOT mean that there won't be any impact. Nor does it mean it won't have a negative effect on our pocket books.

In addition people living in big cities where there is alternative means of transportation may be able to minimizing the impact of the tax by changing their method of transportation, were as people living in remote sparsely populated areas will ultimately be impacted more.

JR
said

Once again it's been proved that Jack Layton and his NDP gangs are out of touch. They do nothing but help Condervatives stay in power.

Dan in Edmonton
said

The NDP and Greens are irrelevant. And therefore Layton and May are as well.

javid radfar
said

I believe carbon tax could be quite effective.

Daryl
said

Its starting to look the the Green Party is putting their agenda ahead of the well being of ordinary citizens. This should be a wake up call for all middle class Canadians that the Green Party has no real economic plan for the country.

Now I'm no supporter of the NDP but Jack couldn't have hit the nail better. If you don't want to hurt the middle class, we CANT have a carbon tax.

Grant
said

A carbon tax is designed exactly to drive up the prices of goods that involve processes that emit more carbon (those bananas don't really cost $.69/lb to grow and get up here when you consider the carbon released by growing and shipping, and you can certainly be sure that gasoline doesn't cost a mere $1.25 after counting all the environmental costs in extracting, refining, and shipping it). It is a financial incentive to get consumers to make environmentally conscious decisions, and to move towards a true-cost system of economics. As it stands something like gasoline is far cheaper than the overall costs it places on the environment and the world in general. Heavy carbon emitters are even subsidized at times, while they reap profits and leave the true costs of doing business to later generations to pay for.
By rolling back taxes on the work we do, a tax that makes NO sense at all (why tax a person on their worth to society?), and placing the taxes onto the sorts of things that cost society more, we shift towards a more realistic and sustainable economic model for many generations to come, and force environmentally-ignorant companies to change their ways.


Gord G.
said

Jonzo..... without a tax, it would be business-as-usual with no consequence for using fossil fuels.

Isn't $1.31 litre a consequence for using fossil fuel. The incentive to reduce is already in place, high gas prices.

B. Lang
said

Me, I'm very sceptical about any plan that is going to come out of Ottawa that all these parties are thinking up. There is always 2 ways to do things, the right way and the Government way.

Brandon
said

Hey Bowmanvillian
Where is this proposal saying gas won't be taxed? To my knowledge the Liberals haven't released any information on there carbon tax yet.

Al from Calgary
said

To all the people who say that a carbon tax is revenue neutral look at England and see how much more it costs them. For myself if I take public transit in Calgary to get to work it will take me 2 hrs each way as compared to 20 minutes, I'm sorry but until the May's and Suzikis and all these people start to take 4 hr a day to commute to work than I will start to think about it myself. And if this is revenue neutral can the Liberals or the Green Party guarantee me that it will not cost me 1 extra cent, then I will be on board, since that will never happen don't try and tell me its revenue neutral. its a discrimitory tax as it forces some to pay more and others to pay less so once again in true Liberal fashion lets screw the middle class.

MRM
said

The devil will be in the details but with what we know so far the Liberal math does not add up? If the plan is to be "cost neutral" and the cost will be $18B and be offset with a $14B tax cut to business and voters how is $4B differnce made up? It can only be recovered in program cuts. The other peplexing fact is that if the money raised is to fund the implementation of Kyoto then the other $14B will also have to be made up in program cuts?


Raymond
said

Gasoline is $1.40/l and climbing like a homesick angel. There is absolutely NO NEED to implement a carbon tax...it's already here.

Ryan
said

What is the use of the Green Party if all they do is act as cheerleaders for the Liberal Party? If Elizabeth May supports Stephane Dion to become Prime Minister, then why doesn't she cross over to the Liberals?

If the Liberal-Green Party gets its way, our economy will be in ruins. Inflation is already going up -- due to higher housing, fuel, and food costs. Adding another tax on fuel will -- pardon the pun -- add fuel to the fire of inflation.

The Conservatives are representing middle class Canadians by opposing the horrendous Liberal-Green carbon tax proposal, and equally naive NDP cap and trade proposal.

If only the NDP could get its head out of the sand and realize that capping and trading will only put more money into the back pockets of heavily polluting multinational corporations.


Albert
said

Perhaps a Carbon Tax would be OK, if.... a 3rd party were to oversee the funds, its activities, and be responsible for the results it should be planned to generate. I think Government should be as far away from another tax benefit as possible. I say, if we need to invest dollars, why not create jobs?, publicly offer shares in the new business of going green.


Paul B
said

Gotta love this from JR:

"Once again it's been proved that Jack Layton and his NDP gangs are out of touch. They do nothing but help Condervatives stay in power".

Actually JR, the real reason the Conservative's remain in power is because the Liberal's run and hide, oops, sorry, abstain whenever there is a vote that might cause an election.

As for a carbon tax, we can't control the temperature. So what if we get hit with another long winter with bitter freezing temperatures? Please explain how seniors and those living in poverty can come up with the extra "carbon tax".

And the Liberal's say they will lower taxes $10 billion, and will bring in $13.5 billion with a carbon tax. How exactly is the revenue neutral?


Terry
said

The Liberal proposal doesn't include gasoline as part of the carbon tax? Isn't the majority of what makes up gasoline carbon? It will I presume though tax products upstream from gasoline and thereby increase the cost of gasoline.

I think the rhetoric about taxing things we don't like such as carbon, and not taxing things we like such as income is so misleading. How many of us actually make our income without the use of some sort of carbon based fuel?

michael monchamp
said

I'm surprised by the amount of vehemence towards a possible policy that hasn't even been finalized yet. Nobody here has the first idea as to what the Liberal policy will include yet. I'm not a liberal voter and have been sorely angered by much they have done in the past, as i have been as well by the conservatives. But to start shooting at something before you see it gets people injured in hunting and is not to smart in politics either :) The negative responses to the liberals upcoming proposals smacks of nothing other than partisan political posturing. I'm a conservative so therefore everything the liberals say or do is wrong, I'm a liberal therefore everything that the conservatives say or do is wrong, on and on blah blah blah blah. this is childish. I for one will wait to actually see it first before i decide it's worth taking a shot at.


Wacko Canadian
said

Yippe im Canadian Tax me please. Not a good idea. Putting the carbon tax revenue to green ideas. Yeah sure you will. Anyone remember there is already a fuel tax each province has one. Mine is 15 cents a litre plus 5% gst to go to road infrastructure only yeah SOME of it does.

Rural Environmentalist
said

May has just proven she is more interested in posturing and propping up her Liberal friends so she can get a seat than actually doing something effective for the environment and rural and poorer Canadians.
Shame on May
And bravo to Jack Layton and the NDP. Thank you for being the only leader and party in Canada putting forward workable, practical suggestions. All the Greens seem to be doing is adding to global warming by spewing hot air.



Charles
said

Once again we see the Greens showing their real right wing political colours ... more taxes on the poor and middle class let the people pay and the right wing polluters get a free ride again ... May was in the Right Tory party in the past and she still is a Right wing Tory so she is at home with let the poor pay again for the sins of the Right wing Liberal and Tory elites ... disgusting performance ... I am pleased to see Jack Layton has a solution and it is a fair solution .. that will work


Nowonder
said

Dion has my support- the environment will be the number one issue when I cast my vote at the next election.
I am sickened by all the global warming deniers here. I bet these (ignorant) deniers will be the first in line to ask for the government's help (with our tax dollars) when global warming starts affecting the "Canadian" way of life. These must be the people that I see every day throwing plastic bottles in the garbage, idling their cars for 20 minutes when picking up their kids from school or insisting on double-bagging everything at the grocery store. Ignorance. Just plain IGNORANCE. I feel sorry for them.

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