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Date: Tue. May. 20 2008 6:26 PM ET

Quebecers will be urged to be more open in accommodating minorities, according to a leaked report.

The report, which stems from a commission set up to examine reasonable accommodation, is expected to be released later this week by co-chairs Gerard Bouchard and Charles Taylor.

In several chapters of the final draft obtained by The Montreal Gazette, the commissioners argue that the "discontent of a large part of the population" over accommodation demands by Muslims, Jews and other religious minorities appears to be the "result of partial information and false perceptions."

The Gazette's Jeff Heinrich told CTV's Montreal on Tuesday that "it's very clear that they (the commissioners) want a continuation of the Quebec policy of integration of minorities in the best way possible."

The report also addresses a number of "unfounded objections" to the role of religion in Quebec society, reports The Gazette.

The objections were mostly heard from old-stock francophones during public hearings held last fall.

The commissioners say they think "it is possible to re-concile Quebecers -- franco-phones and others -- with practices of harmonization, once it has been shown that:

  • a) these practices respect our society's fundamental values, notably the equality of men and women.
  • b) they don't aim to create privileges but, rather, equality that is well understood and that respects everyone's rights.
  • c) they encourage integration and not marginalization.
  • d) they're framed by guidelines and protected against spiralling out of control.
  • e) they're founded on the principle of reciprocity.
  • f) they don't play the game of fundamentalism.
  • g) they don't compromise the gains of the Quiet Revolution."

The report says the responsibility for open-mindedness and desire for change rests primarily with French-Canadians who "have a strong feeling of insecurity for the survival of their culture."

They fear losing their "values, language, tradition and customs" and they also fear "disappearing" entirely as a French-speaking minority in North America, says the report.

The commissioners say self-doubt and "the fear of the Other" are the "two great hindrances" from the French-Canadian past.

"In the past, the threat came mainly from the anglophone. Before that, it was the lifestyle brought on by industrialization. Today, for many, it's the immigrant," they write.

Quebec Premier Jean Charest called the commission ahead of the provincial election in March 2007.

At that time, debate over how to accommodate minorities was at its peak after the small rural town of Herouxville, Que., adopted bylaws banning the stoning of women and the covering of faces.

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Shamaro
said

Yes, I agree that Quebec must be more open to immigrants as well as the rest of Canada. However, it is not a one way street, in fact it is a two way street. Immigrants should also be more open to Quebecers and to Canadians. I think that politicians and most people for that matter, do not really racism etc. in it's broad spectrum, they only see it in a very narrow fashion. For people to get along, they must be open to each other, not just one person accepting the other and the other person not doing likewise.


Mario
said

I have lived in Québec all my life and finally a report that actually reflects the reality of Quebec society. French Canadians are constantly afraid of losing their culture and while understand it, I don’t agree with the way we(immigrants/Anglophone) are treated. Constantly marginalized and made to feel as an outsider, even though I was born and raised here AND I AM PERFECTLY BILINGUAL.

I am happy to see a report which finally exposes it. The Bloc and PQ have constantly said Quebec welcomes immigration, but it’s nothing but BS. I agree that if you want to live here you need to be able to work in French and I have no problems with that, but if I make the effort I expect to be included in the society.

Most French Canadians that are under 30-35 will welcome you if you make the effort to integrate. It’s the middle-aged and older demographic that is stuck in the 70`s and 80`s where it was separatist vs. federalist and they don’t seem change.

I am just anxious to see how the French media will spin the report……



AngloQuebecBornDomesticRefugee
said

The "gains of the Quiet Revolution"?!?

Would that refer to the complte revocation of all anglophone and allophone rights that occurred and continues!?

Those "gains" drove my family out of the province on a wave of bombing and abuse back in the 60s.

It is laughable to me that there can even be any discussion with the "old stock" francophones about rights for anyone except themselves.

rich...


James
said

Quebec should open the doors wide to all immigrants, especially those from french speaking countries. The only way to ensure that French culture and language in Quebec will survive is to welcome, with open arms, all who would want to live in Quebec. It is the wonderful cultures of Quebec that I love about "La belle province." (the beautiful province) The desire, by some Quebecers, to close the doors will only serve to deminish the French speaking population of Quebec, which already suffers from a low birth rate. I have a questions, Have Quebecers ever asked Native Canadians about their experience with regards to the French invading their homeland? I think maybe they should in order to truly understand what it feels like. In the meantime, Canada is a country built on immigrants and refugees, why stop now? 30 million people in a country our size is too small to sustain itself. 50 to 100 million Canadians would be more appropriate. Many more Quebecers would be part of that solution.


Ian
said

Just another politically correct report that seeks to marginalize the feelings of the people of Quebec.
There is nothing wrong with reasonable accommodation. But politicians, the courts, and most immigrants seek a sky's the limit approach.


Matt
said

As a product of the Anglophone mass exodus that took place in the 1970's, it wouldn't be wise for the citizens of Quebec to futher isolate theselves. The economy and population of the province is at one of the lowest levels ever, why would the province want to contiue this trend? If anything in order to help the province they should be welcoming anyone and everyone with open arms. The french language will never go away, there are laws in place to protect that from ahppening, what will happen is your population will dwindle as other places in Canada become more desireable then "la belle province"


Laura Langstaff
said

I believe Quebec needs to adopt a more accepting philosophy to newcomers from the rest of Canada as well. I was disillusioned as an Anglophone living in Gatineau, trying to speak French, respecting the culture, and yet having my Charter Rights trampled on. For example, in taking an errant landlord to the Regie du Logement, I was denied hearing the proceedings in French. The judge insisted on interpreting evidence for me. When I objected to this, he told me that my rights differed in Quebec, and that I might as well consider myself in another country. Of course this judge was not impressed when I asked to hear proceedings in Quebecs First language, which was Cree. But no.....he didn't buy that either. So although there was a decision in my favour, I couldn't tell ya what the decision said, what evidence was entered nor what the content of testimony was. Do Canadian citizenship rights end at Quebec borders? What's the story on that


Francoise Gioui
said

Till the PQ get re-elected they will supposedly try to accomodate the immigration fact which Quebec and Canada alike have permitted to happen for varying reasons.
More truthly, the long knives of the French pure-lennes after the english and others to eliminate restriction to the French world of Quebec to become the isolated sphere of influence that it wanted to return to. That was the reason for the comment of "les autres".


Lee
said

I believe that immigrants should be more open to accomodating the Quebec and Canadian rules, laws and way of life.


IAN
said

If I moved to Quebec I would expect to live as a Quebecois. If I moved to England I would expect to live as an Englishman. I moved to Canada to live as a Canadian but it seems Canadians insist I remain hyphenated. Why? I left what I left from choice. Multiculturalism does not work as witnessed by facts such as Toronto wanting to have black only schools, police forces insisting they need more minorities so they can better relate to the minority enclaves that exist. If multiculturalism worked these things would not be issues.


bobby
said

Go west, young man, and you can find thousands of Quebecois now residing in B.C. and Alberta. These are the motivated - and socialist-rejecting youth - who have chosen to live their lives under a free market system without depending on government programmes for their livelihood.

Those that remain in Quebec are less likely to be accepting of immigrants who they see as draining the resources available to support their lifestyles at home.

And they are learning to speak English too in order to facilitate their economic success in their new home.


Melting pot is solution
said

The problem addressed is also a Canadian one, not just in Quebec. Multiculturalism, is a failure that creates gethos and pockets of cultures who do not mix and eventually erodes in cultural clashes. In 1990, Pierre Trudeau was ask the question by a reporter: "Do you think multiculturalism is more a success or a failure?" in which Trudeau (The architect of Canadian multiculturalism) sadly replied ..."More of a failure".

A melting pot like in the US where immigrants must integrate into American society and culture is a much better approach.




GM
said

I can remember a trip I took to Quebec with my Grandparents and how people were shocked to find that people spoke french in Manitoba. Then they assumed that my Grandparents must have moved to Manitoba completely ignorant to the fact that Manitoba has a long and strong french heritage.


The Real Jonny
said

Accepting kirpans (knives, effectively) in schools with "religious freedom" as an excuse over safety is unreasonable and unfair. A sports centre having to glaze windows to satisfy the objections of people choosing to walk past that sports centre is unreasonable.

jdude
said

I realize that Canada is a huge multicultural country, but honestly, if the majority does not like it, then what is democracy? At the end of the day it should be the choice of citizens, and if that involves zero tolerance to immigrants then so be it.


job
said

I believe that all immigrants who leave their country for another should adopt the culture they are comming to rather than bringing the one they are leaving. I understand the reason to leave for a better life and its a valid one, but the other 9 reasons that they are leaving are because the ideology(faith etc,,) that they believe is the truth is the route cause of why their country is the way it is...


Vanessa C
said

I was born in Quebec, lived a majority of my life in the province (a few years posted to various places with the military) and I know Quebecers well. Intolerant. Ignorant. If you aren't white, francophone, separatist, straight sexually oriented, and Catholic they dislike you. Montreal being the exception - you can be you in most places but there *are* those who still are ignorant and intolerant.

People throughout CANADA period have to accept that each culture has their own beliefs and traditions. They have a RIGHT to them. To their CHOICES. Wearing a hijab or even being niqabi is a CHOICE.

Those who are intolerant are lacking in the intelligence factor. They cannot think beyond their own narrow definitions and expectations of society.


truthseeker
said

The visible minority population has grown steadily over the last 25 years. In 1981, when data for the employment equity-designated groups were first derived, the estimated 1.1 million visible minorities represented 4.7% of Canada's total population.

In 1991, 2.5 million people were members of the visible minority population, 9.4% of the population. The visible minority population further increased to 3.2 million in 1996, or 11.2% of the total population. By 2001, their numbers had reached an estimated 3,983,800 or 13.4% of the total population.

Between 2001 and 2006, the visible minority population increased at a much faster pace than the total population. Its rate of growth was 27.2%, five times faster than the 5.4% increase for the population as a whole.

In 2006, the census enumerated an estimated 5,068,100 individuals who belonged to the visible minority population. They made up 16.2% of the total population in Canada.

The truth is for a good majority of Canadian's, this rate of growth is not beneficial to their Canada. It could lead to many social problems for future generation Canadian's.


Fill in the blank
said

Finally, we will see the term "visible minority" disapear from job applications in Quebec.

Asking how many languages you speak is practical.

However,who decides how visible you are? Isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder?


Ian Yellowknife
said

Quebecers are only tolerant to Quebecers with there "What's in it for us" attitude. Most Ottawa jobs are held by Quebecers and just try to cross over to Quebec if you are Anglo. If you don't believe it take a look at the parking areas of Parliament Hill,the Child and Family Services or construction in Barrehaven. They don't want anything they want everything...

NW
said

I study sociology at a major. I can say multiculturalism is a failure created in order to attract more immigrants. If Quebec is so afraid to lose its language and culture, then they should stop accepting immigrants who want to change the rules. A lot of French-Canadians are not exactly nice and tolerant towards immigrants. They always say the stupiest thing about newcomers or people who have lived here for a long time.

I have encountered a woman once who thought I don't know Quebec law because I was not born here. That kind of hostile resentment makes me mad and shows how some French-Canadians are totally ignorants. Show them how to treat people with dignity and respect, then I will start treat them the same.


Glenn
said

What's signficant about the report is that it recommends reasonable accommodation along the principles of moderation, nuance, and proportionality--notions inconceivable to those in this blog who make sweeping generalities punctuated with a juvenile chip on their shoulders!


Greg
said

Can someone explain the terms Québécois de souche and pure laine to me?

Thanks


msamour
said

It would seem to me that the good people of Canada did not pay attention to the work of the Commission Bouchard-Taylor.

The main discussion was centered on immigrants wanting accomodations that are outside the norms of Quebec (and even outside Canadian) norms. What is significant about Quebec, is that the Quebec population will not be shy about telling immigrants to back off and start abusing the constitution. It is for this reason that Quebec was the first province to evaluate reasonable accomodation. The Commission did a good job at alienating people who have worked hard, and toiled on this land for the benefit of first generation immigrants that desire unreasonable change to our customs and traditions. One must really wonder who that Mr Bouchard, and Mr Taylor were rerally working for.


United we stand, divided we fall... choose !
said

As an Anglo who left Quebec decades ago because it was obvious we weren't wanted or appreciated I think Quebec FIRST needs to deal with Bill 101 and their language and sign laws which are bigoted and racist.

I love Quebec and the people BUT, they need to look themselves in the mirror and decide if they want to join the global community or shun everybody else and live as a recluse in this new world we live in.

Quebec has a lot more to gain by changing their outdated attitudes towards the english and everybody else.

As for Ontario my home since 1973, they can stop being so snobby towards the Quebekers and embrace the great culture we can enjoy from the people of Quebec.





minorityjoe
said

quebec is just fine, people from all ethnic backgrounds live in harmony. french-cdn policy should remain as is, i do not see riots or mass protest like in france regarding immigrants, minorities etc... actually have good compare to the rest or other part of the world.

vive a la france


Canadian citizen? ....then BE a Canadian.
said

I agree with a previous poster that immigrants need to assimilate much better then they do into OUR CULTURE. Canada is NOT the united nations, it is our country with its own unique culture and I am NOT impressed with certain groups who are vocal and try to demand their culture be adopted by Canadians.

Sorry, you don't come to my home and tell me what to do.... it doesn't work that way.










Back in 1999....
said

Ever since Trudeau was PM the Francophones of Canada have had it all their way. I recall being in Sooke BC on Vancouver Island in 1999 lined up at a chip stand totally overwhelmed as Quebekers demanded the server speak french to them!!

Quebec needs to get with the program and realize they stand to lose a lot unless they change their ways.






L.-P.C.
said

I am Pure-laine. Born in Montreal, living in Toronto. Fully bilingual. I am married to an Anglophone woman of immigrant parents (Dutch) from just after the war. My experiences in dealing with English/French social and cultural issues over the past 40 years have given me a very middle ground perspective.

Immigration, as my in-laws experienced, can be an important part of our country. It can also be dangerous if uncontroled, as we sometimes have experienced. But, even my in-laws agree, any immigrant can expect to have to change a lot of their way of life. As the saying goes: "when in Rome, do as the Romans do."

You have to become a part of the life cycle that already exists at that location.

Please, do not change your religion or ask someone else to do so. That is unatural and unfair.

Just be prepared to start cheering and playing hockey, soccer (not football - ever)as a minor sport and , or go to the Brasserie (in Quebec) for a beer. Should I move elsewhere, I'd expect to adapt - I did for Toronto.

Accomodating immigrants only applies in that we have to welcome them as the humans that they are. Let's give them a chance to live as we do.


Basil
said

Immigration is not a luxury for north american society- it's a necessity. Our birth rate would be too low to sustain positive population growth without allowing people to immigrate. How our culture changes due to this economic reality is the only question, not whether immigration is good or bad for our culture.


Guy Macher
said

The problem is not accommodation from Quebecers, but the lack of assimilation by immigrants.

StatsCan reported that immigrants are not assimilating, lack marketable skills, and after 10 years are nearly 150% more likely to be unemployed than native born Canadians. And after all that time only 70% have acceptable English, only 16% can speak French.

Why are we inviting people to Canada if there are no jobs for them?








marcel proulx
said

The Global language of business is English... not french.



woody
said

I think that Quebec should be open the the many benefits of a multi-cultural society and open its doors and hearts to different religions, clutures and colours like the rest of Canada. Quebec should experience the rich mosaic that Asians and blacks have brought to Vancouver, Toronto and similar cities. The Liberal govermnent had the right idea - encourage a change in the cultural mosaic of Canada. Right?


truthseeker
said

Basil, your right Canada does have a slow birth rate.
What most Canadian's know is that our government is anti-family. Our government spends billions to bring immigrants here, train them, house them etc. Why don't we allocate that money to adult Canadian couples who want to start a family but can't afford to because all the jobs pay $10/hr. It seems the government is trying to replace the founding European settler population with a un-united minority population. Their intentions seem very evil minded to me personally.

We are forgetting why Canada even became a success.

Now if you've read the recent StatsCan study that says Canadian's quality of life has gone down hill since 1980, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see the parallel, it's about the same time our immigration policy was hijacked by greedy, heartless, mindless people who took Canadian citizen's concerns as a joke.

There was no vote! We weren't asked! That's not democracy!



L.-P.C.
said

Greg,

Pure-Laine and Québécois de souche refer to descendants of the original families that came to North America. Helen Desporte - my ancestor - was the very first person born in North America of non native parents.

AS for the protectionism of Bill 101 and other attitudes, Quebec had to "fight" back against English erasure and encroachment on the language just to try and survive. Have these measures outlived their usefulness. I don't know. I don't agree with the methodologies used on a lot of these. All I know is I have to work hard so that my children understand not only the languages -English and French - but also the cultures associated with both.
Being a true Canadian requires work just to maintain when living in a multicultural area like Toronto is.


Jay
said

It is time for Canadians to enter into greater dialogue, on a national level, concerning immigration and multiculturalism. Our unprecedented rate of immigration is going to drastically change the demographic structure of Canada (considering our below replacement birth rate) in the next couple of decades. Something of this magnitude needs to be of greater public concern.

To find answers to the question of accomodation/integration we look to a term "multiculturalism." This term was not the product of some grande, liberal humanistic plan for Canada. It was Trudeau's response to billingualism and biculturalism.

Canadians need to actually define the grey space between accomodation and integration. Personally, if I chose to emmigrate to another country I would make every effort to integrate into that society. If one choses to emigrate and retain all of ones customs and nationalisms then they are purely economic immigrants.

I am afraid that a unique Canadian identity is at risk with an undefined policy of multiculturalism.


Cots
said

Quebec is fundamentally intolerant. There has never been an issue with Muslims wearing the Hijab in Ontario schools but its apparently a hot-button issue in Quebec.

I think that by banning Hijabs Quebeckers exercise intolerance in the name of women's rights and freedom. They're not fooling anyone but themselves..


RB
said

Vanessa C I totally agree with you. But the problems start occuring when people are not allowed to hang up a sign with "Merry Christmas" on it because it might offend someone.

This is a two-way deal.


Carla
said

This article was convoluted. I live in Montreal which I moved to thinking it was a cosmopolitan city where I could learn another part of what I considered my Canadian Heritage. What I discovered is that it's probably one of the most backwards major cities in the world. I can't even imagine the rest of Quebec. I don't see how any government here can comment on the social conditions of their population. They can't even maintain their roadways, let alone identify with the inevitable effects of Globalization and socialization. Furthermore, Canada has no real "culture" with which to assimilate, since most of our cultural capital ends up in foreign hands (Aside form Quebec who hoards it all). If anything, the only culture in Canada is White; English and French are all sub-categories of "whiteness" (not white people let's not get things twisted). The French are no different from the Anglos they fought so hard to overcome. But here's the reality, as much as Quebec may have to offer, they are essentially useless to themselves because in their futile efforts to "preserve" their culture, they make no effort to share it with those who do seek to be a part of it. What good is preserving something if it is not to be used? And don't hate Toronto for trying something new. At least there's an effort being made. Whether because of language, religion or skin colour Quebec is shooting itself in the foot by blatant volatile exclusion, masquerading as "Reasonable Accomodation".


Andrew
said

I am all for open-mindedness..

However, when ANY Canadian must bend over backwards to accomodate immigrants, than I think that is wrong.

You come to our country, you accept our culture and ways of life. WE should not have to change our culture and way of life for an immigrant.

This is a two-way street..


PB
said

Oddly enough I agree with Quebec's approach to immigration. Being from another part of Quebec I was always tired of hearing how they (Quebecers) always wanted special concessions or status or something else. However, I disagree how Canada as a whole deals with immigration. I have no problem with others coming to Canada and holding onto their traditions, I do have aproblem when we have to change laws and our traditions so that we dont hurt someone else'e feelings and the sacrifice of our own. When I hear about Quebec asking for immigrants to intigrate I think its a smart move. In fact I feel things have gotten to the point that if Quebec were to seperate Id have to go live there because since Quebec is part of Canada I'm afraid they will be the only thing left that reflects what Canada once was.


Mickey
said

Geez. The multicultural club in my son's very diverse high school could have told Quebecors all this and saved the province five million dollars. Honestly, that is a lot of dough to say respect each others differences and try your best to be fair and equitable. It is hard to believe so many adults still just don't get this stuff. Let's hope the next generation can set a few things straight.


Kris Pittman
said

I don't think that anyone should demand that anyone be reasonably accommodated. We pride ourselves on our tolerant nature and our openness and acceptance, doesn't this prove that both of those things are false ideals? I am of the mind that groups and individuals who come here, should make more of an effort to integrate than be accommodated. Forcing people to accept and tolerate isn't' the same as open and honest acceptance it harbors resentment. And in Quebec no less when the laws demand that no one accommodate Anglo-Quebecers for fear of the elimination of Franco culture. this is obscene, culture is what you make, if your culture is in jeopardy it's because it's members are leaving it's traditions, not because outside forces are undermining it, it is up to individuals to promote their shared culture, it is not a governments job nor is it a commissions job to legislate or prop up culture. What little culture we have as a nation is being eroded by the accommodation of every individual with an axe to grind. Suck it up and keep your culture at home, just like every other Canadian is forced to do for fear of an investigation by a Human Rights Commission.


Roger T
said

Well, maybe Quebec should separate from the rest of Canada if they want to retain their identity solely.

No point of bickering on this issue which will go on forever until Quebecers get their separation. Better sooner than later because of the build up from pressure and steam will rise again!




Proud Canadian
said

Sorry folks, but Quebec in my opinion has been forcing the issue of standing up to their principles and protecting their heritage and their culture. Ever since the Trudeau era, Canadians from coast to coast have had mutliculturalism rammed down our throats, by none other, than Trudeau himself. The rest of Canada sat idly by, doing what they do best, sitting there and just complaining, but taking no action in protecting our unique regional, culture's. Quebec took it's stand and refuses to allow anybody to go to there and dictate to them how they are to be. For me, I think they did the right thing, sometimes a little to much, however like any other country (just look at France, Germany, Italy etc.), they want those who move there to assimilate into their society and not the other way around. Sure, Quebec should go a little easier on those who immigrate there or who migrate there, but good on them for standing up and wanting to protect their culture and their way of life.


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