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Date: Mon. May. 12 2008 9:05 PM ET

General Motors has announced it will close a transmission plant in Windsor, Ont., by mid-2010, in a blow to Canada's automotive sector that could mean the loss of 1,400 jobs.

"I have spoken with the CEO of General Motors Canada about their plans to try and protect the workers at that facility," Industry Minister Jim Prentice told CTV's Mike Duffy Live on Monday.

"It's a little to say just what the impact will be. Many of the workers there are fairly senior and pretty close to retirement because this is an older facility from 1963. We'll see what the actual number of workers is that have to transition into new employment. That's our first priority."

GM said the plant will close once the production schedule runs out on the four-speed automatic transmissions the plant produces.

"We were really trying to find the next generation product to go into the plant. Unfortunately with the dynamic of our changing portfolio, there just wasn't a new transmission to put into there," said Stew Low, spokesman for GM Canada.

"In conjunction with the ongoing bargaining happening with the CAW right now, the decision was made to close the plant and to tell employees just as soon as possible," he said in an interview with CTV Newsnet.

The news comes just weeks after GM said it would eliminate a shift at its Oshawa pickup truck plant. The move will eliminate about 1,000 jobs.

In Windsor, the closure will affect 1,400 people who receive a salary or are paid hourly.

Ontario's job strategy

NDP Leader Howard Hampton said Ontario does not have enough high-paying jobs to ease the burden on the laid-off workers.

At the legislature Monday, he called on the Liberal government to develop a strategy to help bring lucrative jobs into the province.

"How many good jobs have to be lost in Ontario before the (Dalton) McGuinty government takes this issue seriously and responds with something other than photo ops?"

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty said the Liberals have developed a strategy to help workers receive training in selected industries.

"He doesn't recognize the more than half a billion dollars we're putting into training for our workers," he said. "We think one of the most important things we can do in the global economy is to enhance the employability of our workers."

An official with Campaign 2000, an organization that lobbies Canadian governments to develop good job strategies, said poverty is a serious issue in Canada.

"Forty-one per cent of children in low-income families in this province have at least one parent working full time all year and it's not enough to raise their families out of poverty," said Ann Dector, the national director of Campaign 2000.

"All but the wealthiest parents are working more than they were 30 years ago," she said.

The campaign is suggesting the province try to lure high-paying green jobs to make up for losses in the car and truck industry.

With a report from CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss

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dave
said

I dont see Japanese auto-makers closing their doors in N. America. If GM cant compete, well too bad.


Sean
said

It's no wonder that North American Automobile Manufacturers are doing so badly, they are completely out of touch with reality.
Chrysler just yesterday announced the return of the Dodge Challenger. A muscle car with 450 HP and a gas guzzler. Please give your head a shake. What all North Americans would ideally like is a large vehicle that gets amazing gas mileage. Stop trying to build and sell products that are way out of line with reality. Sports cars and cars with high horse power are a thing of the past. The only reason that SUV's are popular is they're great comfortable people movers that don't break every time you hit a pothole. Add great (not mediocre) gas mileage and you've got yourself a winner. Gas sippers people! That's what we want.


Trent
said

Another nail in the coffin for the manufacturing industry in Ontario, the industry is not streamlined enough to compete in the global market.
No one can point their fingers at GM for pulling out and moving production elsewhere as they have to cut their bottom line in order to survive themselves. The 'NA' car manufacturers have to streamline their operations to try and catch-up with the imports


Dean
said

dave, exactly. If you can't compete then it's time to go. Someone else will do the same job for less and still meet the quality requirements demanded by the customer. In our overly unionized labour force, it seems the more that is paid out, the less that gets done. It should also be noted that strong unions are a result of weak/bad management. It is a team that wins together and also loses together.


IAN
said

I think it would make sense to buy 'Canadian' and support our countrymen and women who I believe make products as good as any. Lowering taxes for manufacturers would help too, eh McGuinty?


Ry
said

So then why doesn't the federal or provincial governments introduce legislation mandating that only vehicles manufactured in Canada may be sold in Canada - force the industries hand into staying in Canada. I'm sure NAFTA doesn't baud well for this idea, but none the less, just throwing out an idea.


Steve
said

I agree with Ian. Buy Canadian and support those who make quality Canadian-built products like the Honda Civic and Ridgeline, or the Toyota Matrix and Corolla.



Dan
said

This is what making $30 an hour to do nothing happens. Sorry but the days of the huge union payday are numbered. Yes they all deserve a good job with fair pay but $30 an hour come on! It’s time like what we are in especially a global economy that companies get lean and mean. The plant where GM is going probably makes transmissions for a lower cost per hour than the current Windsor facility. I’m sorry to all the workers and their families that have to go through this. It is unlikely that they will ever recover the kind of wages they are making. I used to work in a union facility and I am just now making the same kind of hourly wage I once was and it’s been 5 years.


Dave Kan
said

I'm on the list to get a Dodge Challenger. To
go with my other cars.

Dave Kan


John
said

It's just another nail in the coffin of the North American automobile industry. It is indeed sad, but true. Business and competiveness trump all other values in our society today. I'm not saying that'sbad, but I do wonder how many people hold spin-off jobs that rely on the Windsor plant staying in operation and are Japanese or Korean auto owners.
As long as Canada prodces oil, gas and minerals, we'll be okay........ Won't we?


JP in Victoria
said

The BIG THREE is like the BIG SIX in Hockey -
There day has COME AND GONE.
I drive a Nissan.

The Big Three had there change years ago when the foregin auto makers started in North America, they sat back and laughed at them , no they are paying the price


Krista N
said

If this isn't an indication that the Canadian economy is in trouble, I don't know what is. Don't believe the economists! If the US goes down, they'll take us with them.


Paulb
said

Ry,

"So then why doesn't the federal or provincial governments introduce legislation mandating that only vehicles manufactured in Canada may be sold in Canada "

This is not a new idea. It was called the Canada US Auto Pact. It was a fair trade agreement that worked very well for years until being dismantled during the implementation of the free trade agreement.

Such is the legacy of the Mulroney years...


AM / Edmonton
said

No surprise here. The NA Big Three needs to do some quality checks & get up to parity with the likes of the imports such as HONDA & TOYOTA etc. I've owned domestic vehicles before & now I own a HONDA....a significant improvement in quality & reliability.


Roger T
said

One plant closes another will sprout!

It's not the end of the world people unless our Gov't sits around and use our tax $$$ on funding wars instead of saving and creating jobs to keep the economy going. Only time can tell how many our Gov't will do before it gets deeper and worst.


Chris
said

Unions Unions Unions, I wonder where they will be when all these jobs are gone. I second what Dean says, The strong the Union the less gets done. The prices of cars go up to reflect the wages and health costs.The rich get richer and poor gets poorer and the employed gets laid off. Hello Mr. Union can you support us in our time of need as in we need to keep our jobs.


Peter
said

The main issue here is that, sadly, the big three NA automakers are not making vehicles that people want to buy. They are usually costly, over-sized, out-dated gas guzzlers. And at the same time, the per-unit labour cost of building a vehicle is substantially higher than their Japanese counterparts. The media only gives us part of the auto-making story in Ontario. A fuller picture would show that the Japanese auto-makers in the province are doing well (Honda, Toyota) and planning to expand and add jobs. I recently switched from a GM to an Ontario made Japanese car and couldn't be happier.


Rob
said

Dave is correct. If we protect manufacturers that cannot or will not compete in the world, then we will be stuck with a poor product. Why should we subsidize the auto industry to build cars we don't want. Ask someone from the old USSR how great that works!


Garnet
said

Ask Buzz what happened... he knows... you can't continue to demand unrealistic wages, pensions, vacations, job guarantees etc. etc. without eventually bankrupting the company you work for; or at the very least forcing them to close plants in search of more managable costs.

Seen it in meat processing..Maple Leaf shuts down in Edmonton and relocates to Brandon because of union demands.

Steel (Stelco vs defasco) one bankrupt and the other record profits... difference?? one union .. one not.

When will they learn not to bite the hand that feeds them.



MRC
said

The days of a "Big-3" auto plant worker making $30-$50/hr must END NOW!!!!!!! We are all paying for their greed today. The Big-3 are finally turning around in terms & quality/quantity (see the new Malibu & Focus) and with reduced--realistic--wages, the Big-3 can put TONS more money into quality and come on top once again.

To really solve a lot of problems, it's about time we stop globalization and the handover of technology. But, sadly, that seems far too late.


Heather
said

A certain company of the "Big 3" continues to use a particular transmission that is known to disintegrate (on the highway while you're driving it no less) when the vehicle reaches 120,000km. That company knows the problem but continues to use it anyway. That same company continues to use other components that have known flaws. (If your daytime running lights don't work anymore you have that vehicle. Just one example.) It's because of this that I will NEVER own one of their products ever again. My apologies to the union workers who've lost their jobs because of this.

It isn't the union deciding to continue using these parts...it isn't the union doing a poor job that causes these vehicles to implode on the highway.


Robin da Hood
said

Here are companies not laying off people but rather maintaining their investment in Canada... Toyota and Honda. Hence, my only buying options for the foreseeable future are cars made by Toyota and Honda. All others should be excluded by "real" Canadians as our priority should be to only reward companies that invest in this country and do not simply take from it.



Mike
said

To all you people who say GM can't build a decent car please take your head out of your ass and look at the Chev Impala. Oshawa built and with great gas mileage and excellent quility.

Unbelievable how stupid some of you are..Go ahead and support another country and give the finger to the Canadian worker...Thanks for supporting YOUR CANADA.


Jimbo
said

The Canadian Economy is not in trouble, the Ontario economy is in trouble. May your good Priemier, can distract you folks out there some more using Religion as a wedge, Ontario wears it well. Good on ya. Head out west lads, there are lots of jobs out here


Steve
said

The Big Three have been struggling for years to keep up.. to try and compete... and for the most part they have failed. Its not just reliability, its driveability - especially if you like standard transmission.

As any compact car driver knows, there is no comparison in performance, reliability, gas mileage and just pure fun between a Civic or Mazda 3 and a Sunbird. Sure you pay a little more - but well worth the difference.

I am sorry for the affected workers - maybe the plant could be put to use in some other NON-AUTO manufacturing field....solar/wind power maybe??

Steve


Marshsparrow
said

Paulb - Mulroney is responsible for the state of the NA auto industry? Seriously?!?!?!? Globalization has impacted the auto industry around the world. We can't be an exporter and protectionist at the same time...

When NA starts making superior products the consumers will come - until then, I'll keep driving my Honda.


Ian
said

It's obvious that the "Big 3" US automakers are very shortsighted. Gas prices going thru the roof and they still think there's a market for big V8 guzzlers. The only people buying those retro Challengers and Chargers etc are the 50 year old + guys who are going through a mid life crisis, and want a toy to drive on the weekend. They should spend more resources on developing cars that can get 100 mpg and then they'll really be on to something. I certainly won't be driving very far this summer and I'm sure there are many people in my shoes who will stay closer to home. That will wreak havoc on the tourism industry in North America, and maybe if enough big hotel chains start to lose money, some pressure can be placed on the auto and oil industry.


David
said

North American automakers are out of touch with market conditions. So are the costs associated with unionized labour. The public will buy the best car at the best price. (BMW and Mercedes seem to be doing well). This is not a government problem. It is an economic issue, and it is the way a free market operates.


chris
said

Union mentality is what has destroyed many great companies, take, take, take. Sure lets go on strike, that will fix GM....and the employees! Wake up Buzz and take a lesson from employees that put an effort into the companies they work for!


Richard
said

Well, domestic vehicles have been typically less quality and more expensive and less gas efficient for years. With the exception of trucks to a certain extent.

I'm not sure why this is a big suprise. Too bad for the employees though - that is terrible stuff.

I'm no expert, but what I can tell you is a vehicle is expensive and in this day and age everything is more expensive - food, clothing, house, etc, gas is out of the roof and going to space in a year! So, we have to pick the best for our dollars.

Hell, maybe N.American cities will be building roads for bicycles soon.


Al
said

Actually PaulB you are factually incorrect about the autopact.

Prior to the autopact, all vehicles sold in Canada had to be made here (or you had to pay a very hight tariff), at that time tandem diesel heavy duty Ford transport trucks were produced on the same line as Ford LTD's at the Oakville plant. Very inefficient and costly!

The autopact allowed the manufacturers to optimize their production by allow single vehicle production with some job protection guarantees.


LOJD
said

Dan, give your head a shake, $30.00/h, it's more like $50.00+/h counting all benefits...
That's why everything is going to Mex. cheap labour and thanks to the Conservative Gov. of Malronny for this...
When Irish eyes are smilling, there probably doing more than smilling now.
Every time we have a Conservative Gov. we need a Liberial Gov. after to fix everything...
Mark my words if Harpper ever gets a majority Gov. we'll be bankrupted again just, like in the 80's...


Vince M
said

Note that it is the big US manufacturers that are closing plants in Canada. The imports manufacture cars in Canada too and they are doing just fine.

The Big Three accommodated union greed over the past 20 years in return for labour peace. Now they are stuck with an average US$3,800 burden on each domestic vehicle to pay for the benefits of retired union workers. They don't stand a chance with the union boot on their neck.



Doug BC
said

It's not up to government to either save,or create jobs. That is a market place issue.Alll that a government should do,is create an environment which allows industry to succeed.
One hypocrisy I often see in Canada, is a thirst for decent wages,but a desire for the cheapest products available. In other words. "I deserve good wages,but those who supply the tings I use, do not".
There probably are to many jobs that offer wages way beyond the skill set required to perform them. But I can say this,as a commercial transport mechanic,and in spite of the fact that I am earning the much hated $30 per hour,I can tell you honestly,that my standard of living,and my disposable income has been declining for years. I don't belong to a union,but I support their efforts to reverse this trend.I do not think we should be racing to lower our standards to those of Mexico or China.To those who thnk I am overpaid,I ivite them to serve their time as an apprentice,at slave wages,go get the schooling and the upgrades every year,and to invest $30,000 dollars in tools, and join me on the job. We are desperate for more good people in this field. But we won't get them if their wages won't support a family.
And oh, I don't believe the uion line that the people who wash the trucks should be paid the same $30 per hour.
Canada needs a good manufacturing sector. It should be supported with reasonable tax levels,and lower costs for energy and raw materials. Not by 3rd world wage packages.


Mandosa
said

Roger looks to the infinite wisdom of our government to fix the problem. Likely before this he was looking to the king of 'its somebody else's fault', Buzz Hargrove. Maybe stop building crap, and getting paid $30/hr to do it.


billy
said

It's too bad for Windsor. I work the rigs in Alberta and buy a new gm truck every 2 years ... buying a $52000 ground effects Silverado in july ... Toyota and the rest of imports can kiss my ass


Mr Chillz
said

This is just the tip of the iceberg for job losses in Canada. Just wait until 2010, when the SPP and North American Union kick in,...

Time to wake up sheeple, your job could be next,...


Here we go again
said

I see this as a ploy for GM to get money from both provicial and national government. Ford did the same thing in Windsor. They closed their transmission plant and through negotiations with the gov't, Ford magically decided to open it again with a new product even. Money talks.....


Omid
said

Here's a novel idea to domestic auto makers, stop charging $50 000 for a small sedan.

I drive foreign cars only because I know they're better quality and I can count on them to still run very well ten years down the road; with domestic, because we're a continent of corporate greed & moral bankruptcy, they make their vehicles to break down at the three year mark, right around the time you finish making payments on the hunk of junk.


Rod
said

This is not good news for the CAW who is loosing these high paying jobs/fees. However Honda and Toyota have both built plants in Ontario but they are non-unionized. Buzz Hargrove ALWAYS mentions the jobs that are lost to his union but he NEVER mentions how many of those same works go 'across the street' and work at a non-unionized manufacturer that is actually building something that the public will buy.


Anne
said

Dave, think about what you are saying, If GM plants in Canada close their doors it won't be just GM workers out of work, all the workers who work for companies that supply parts to GM will also be out of work and if all these people have no money the trickle down effect will be enormous, soon restaurants and stores would be closing as well, so Dave if you even have a job you may be out of work as well!!!!


Sask Resident
said

I laugh at those that are saying the Big 3 need to do Quality checks. I have a 2004 Toyota Camry and a 2005 Ford Mustang. The Camry is being traded in for a Malibu or Fusion. Why, the Camry has been SAFETY ISSUE RECALLED by Transport Canada 3 times, 0 for the Ford. The Camry has been quite unreliable compared to the Ford. Where the Wife works, she could not plug her car in during the Winter. If she took the Mustang to work, it would start when it was -40 or colder and not plugged in. The Camry would not if it was -30 or colder. To boot the V6 Mustang gets better gas mileage than a V6 Camry. Just a reality check that the Imports are not so great...


Vince M
said

Roger.

Plant closing = provincial responsibility. Going to war = federal responsibility.

Sooner we figure this kind of thing out the better.


Robert
said

The economy is taking a mild dip, but the real reason the Detroit auto mfrs take a hit is because they still have a 1970's mindset and create vehicles that are not competitive with those from the likes of Toyota and others. Start thinking efficiency, cleanliness, reliability, minimum maintenance costs, and maybe then Detroit and all its networked factories can see a resurgence in sales. Earn it. The 50s-80s are a Golden Age that is long gone, and for good reason. It was cheap and stupid time for autos.


Brian
said

The unions will keep driving jobs out of north america until there are none left.

Wages and benefits at big 3 = 77.00 hr, at toyota/honda/nissan = 47.00 hr.

Quality is built to what people will pay for and cheap child/slave labor will always produce a cheaper product.

Go on, keep sending the jobs away, and when you have none you need only look into the mirror to blame!!!

Reject unions but support local manufacturing.


Anne
said

Why keep calling for the government to legislate us to 'buy Canadian'. Here's a novel concept... choose to only buy Canadian on your own. The collective *we* have brought this entire maunfacturing mess to a head. It is the consumer's drive for the cheapest possible product that has driven the jobs offshore. it's not up to the government to change your spending habits, do it yourself.

Granted, that is easier said than done these days, because its gone too far down the road. It's almost impossible to find anything that isn't maunfactured in China these days. But... I do the best I can. I read labels and CHOOSE not to buy products that are not Canadian or North American made unless I can't find any alternative.

Why are you people always giving away your choices wanting the government to do your thinking and buying for you. YOU have the power. If more people CHOSE made in Canada products even if they are a bit more $, then we'd have more made in Canada products to buy from.

Simple economics, people.


Vanessa C
said

Unions. It's the reason. They priced the labour out of competition. If they weren't paid so much, they'd likely still have at least some production there, and some jobs. It's not that they couldn't find "replacement products"... it's that the workers make too much money, whereas other countries workers make less so it's more enticing to have stuff made elsewhere.

I'm all for unions, don't get me wrong, but they have too much power, and have totally warped what a union should be.


Unions are killing us
said

This is the vicious circle...

-Unions demand insane salaries, benefits, and pensions that are way out of line with reality.

-The Big 3 companies put all their profits into meeting union demands, salaries, etc. (they have no choice).

-Whatever little profit they have left (if any) goes into vehicle design and research... leading to sub-par cars

-Big 3 cars get a bad rap in the marketplace, more people buy foreign cars for better quality with subsequent purchases.

North Americans will never keep pace with the Japanese automakers because the union demands are killing them.

Either the unions go, back down on their demands, or the Big 3 will be gone in the next decade.

This is only the tip of the iceberg.


Nik
said

Maybe if people read the article, they'd have realized that this closure is because GM is responding to customer demands, and not because their vehicles are somehow inferior compared to the "import" brands.

These new transmissions allow for better fuel-economy, and performance, which are exactly what customers are demanding.

And sure Dodge is making a 400hp+ muscle car, but they are also introducing a V6 version as well for the mainstream market. Toyota has brought out the IS-F, a 416HP sedan with a V8 engine, but why aren't people going after them? People like to point the finger at Detroit for gas guzzling SUV's, yet seem to conveniently overlook the fact Toyota and Nissan have massive, lumbering SUV's of their own. The European brands produce V8's, V10's and even V12's, and yet I don't see them getting hounded by 'environmentally conscious' people, do you?

Give the Detroit three a break, people. They have caught up in quality, and have even surpassed their competitors with their new product offerings. Plus, remember that the money they earn stays on this continent.


Rob
said

Actually, very good news!!! Now these folks can move to Alberta and make some real money without having to fight with Buzz and his thugs. Welcome!!!


raj
said

GM has been building crappy cars for too long. No amount of buzz buzzing will do any good. Anyone working for GM that didnt know this was coming, was alseep.


Ivan
said

Whether you buy a car from GM, Chrysler, Ford, Honda, or Toyota that is manufactured here, you're supporting the job of a local worker - union or not. But all we do is manufacture cars designed and developed outside of Canada. The major decisions are made outside of Canada and so we beg for those jobs and plants to be built here.

Why don't we have a Canadian car company that competes against the others and stop relying on others to employ us?



Don
said

All you people should get you head out of your rear end. Labour on a car is less than 10% of the cost of the vehicle. on a $30,000 car, $2,000 is labour. The problem is those Japanese/Korean/Europe will not let our cars be imported into thier country. The next time you Import lovers go to the hospital, who do you think pays for it? Because Ontario is slipping into a recession, we have to take money from the other provinces to sustain our social services. that is another word for welfare !!!!! Corporations pay huge taxes which helps everybody !!!!


Shamaro
said

GM has needed to restructure itself for decades and now with the world economic slow down, the gas prices soaring above what they even expected, their sales of trucks and cars are down, way down. The closing of this plant isn't new, this has been in the works for years. GM Windsor Transmission is leaving town for good, unfortunatetly Mexico Silao plant is ramping up for production and things are looking rosey for them right now. I feel bad for the people who are losing their jobs like those one's in Windsor, because there isn't much more that the City of Windsor has to offer outside of the Auto sector.


Mike London
said

Those who still believe that the Japanese are the only producers of quality cars need to read Consumers Reports. One of the most reliable models made is...the Ford Fusion!


Jim
said

This was very much expected and start of the snowball effect...

I saw a survey of CEO's (after loonie reached at par with USD without any apparent reason) feeling pride for rising loonie, shows lacks of market understanding. I feel sorry for those executives for their brain power.

Embrace yourself for further shutdowns from US companies.


Powertrain
said

Unfortunately many people on this blog drive cars with a foreign name. However, many of you don't seem to understand, that the Japanese have invested Billions in Ontario and the U.S. and the vehicles they are making here are actually better quality then those made offshore. Also, as a third party Quality Assurance Supervisor, I can tell you, that GM and Chrysler for that matter, also make an excellent vehicle. Sure, there are lots and lots of stories out there that gave the big 3 a bad name, however you have to look past the Urban Myths that are out there and read into the statistics that the North American automobile is on par for Quality with many of their competitors. Many people think that Germans make the best vehicles in the world, however when it comes to service and quality satisfaction, they actually are behind North America and the Japanese. As far as I can see, if you really want more bang for your buck, Hyundai seems to be a big up and comer, however they aren't building anything in North America at the moment, but with NAFTA still in place, I know they are actively seeking new parts suppliers that are here in North America, due to the fact that they do not have enough North American content on their vehicle, therefore they face those import Tarriffs that are being slapped on their vehicles.

Also, in the autoparts sector, Magna International (A Canadian company) manufactures parts for not just North American Vehicles, but also vehicles in Europe and Asia. So regardless of what vehicle you're driving, there are North American parts on those very Audi's, Beamers, Mercedes, Toyota's etc. driving those very vehicles.


JoeC
said

The Ontario Government continues to refuse the use of safe, zero-emission no noise electric cars. They have already driven one manufacturer out of Canada, and Ian Clifford said that “Two senior, entrenched bureaucrats have told me personally that if it is the last thing they do, they'll keep LSVs off the road in Canada.” The Government has a lot to lose with the passing of the internal-combustion engine. They have even more to gain with the support of electric vehicles. ZENN continues to sell their product to the United States, but is forbidden to do so in Canada. Maybe it's time they move their business out of Toronto, and all of the jobs they have created, to the United States, and pay taxes to that country, instead of Canada.



IAN
said

Nik asks why aren't people 'going after' toyota for making a v8? Nik it's because people speak without knowing anything. They love to America bash and so say GM etc. don't build a car people want. I ask would they want a Pontiac Vibe or a Toyota Matrix?


Brian
said

Ridiculous union demands = loss of jobs.

This is all on the unions, they have nickled and dimed the big 3 to the breaking point.




robert in alberta
said

Buzz H is going to go to the government again and ask for my money to help his union members!! I am in the telecom industry and if the company I work for goes under I DO NOT expect any gov't beyond the services already available to hand me money. NO, Buz and your union members may NOT have my hard earned tax dollars. You take a risk taking a job and hope you can help the company stay in business, but, if it goes under don't go running to the gov't crying in your spilt milk. Neither the Prov nor Fed gov't has any obligation to start throwing money your way because your industry is under attack, this goes for the entire manufacturing industry in Ontario. As for those who state buy Canadian, you must make a whole lot more than I do and good on you. My pocket book dictates where and how much I will pay for a product and if North american manufacturer's can't compete in price and quality with off shore offerings then start pointing the "fickle finger of fate" back on yourselves and do something about pricing and quality.


Jim O'Brien
said

The CAW and Buzz Hargrove have much to answer for. During the 90's the big 3 came to them on 3 seperate occasions trying to get the CAW to support change. Of course Buzz wasn't interested. If I was an autoworker I'd be suing Buzz and his bunch.


Evan
said

It's only gonna get worse for Chrysler, GM and Ford. I own a GM right now. It's garbage, the engine is breaking down and the paint is peeling. It'll be my last american car ever. Unreasonable union wages have sacrificed any quality in their products. Sorry to the workers, but it's buisness, not personal


Vanessa C
said

Nik - Labour on cars *at the plant* is only perhaps 10% of the price, but you don't take into account the *labour on the parts to build the car with*. When that is taken into account, anything made in Canada or the US is going to cost more than Mexico, China, Japan, Taiwan, etc.

I've worked for a short while at a plant that makes pvc and plastic tubing for cars (the stuff around the wiring) among other things and I can tell you - more than 10% of the cost in that is labour. The plastic going into it is almost all recycled so the materials are real cheap.



Mark M
said

QUOTE
"Mike
To all you people who say GM can't build a decent car please take your head out of your ass and look at the Chev Impala. Oshawa built and with great gas mileage and excellent quility.

Unbelievable how stupid some of you are..Go ahead and support another country and give the finger to the Canadian worker...Thanks for supporting YOUR CANADA."

BWAHAHAHAHAAHA, you better start checking your stats. My outfit uses a whole fleet of cars which included the new Impala. Don't know where to start, the one where the tranny failed at 60 km (yes SIXTY KM TOTAL), the one that had all exposed steel fuel lines RUST within a year and was NOT covered under waranty!!!! The one that had electrical problems so bad it almost caught fire. And these are just the ones I remember! Yeah that's quality control!



joeyann
said

Ian, I have to ask you a question. Have you ever actually purchased a GM vehicle? They do not stand behind their product which is one of the major reasons why so many people opt to buy foreign. We as consumers only ahve so much money and we don't want to spend more fixing a brand new vehicle because they don't honor warranty's.


Shamaro
said

Robert In Alberta....It has been statistically proven over and over again, that people are willing to pay a little bit more for a vehicle, regardless of what the price is. Toyota's are generally more expensive than North American vehicles, even though they are built right here in Canada and the U.S., also people tend to buy a vehicle like a Mercedes or an Audi for example, because of it's status symbol in driving it. However, like Powertrain above has mentioned, North American vehicles are on par with all of their competition when it comes to the quality of a vehicle. Maybe on some of their vehicles they are going to have to work on the fuel consumption, but they made those vehicles because that is wha their consumers wanted. Most vehicles that are driven now, including all the imports from Europe etc., all have a lot of parts on there manufactured by the worlds 2nd largest auto parts mfg, Magna International. From transmission, engine, exhaust, interior, etc. every vehicle that you see on the road today whether you are in North America or Europe have parts that were made right here in Canada.


FINN BLENHIEM ONT.
said

The only thing the Union is good for is protecting the ones that don't want to work, Miss time,and the cry babies. I have seen it many times, Just watch who goes into the company union office and figure it out.
Retrain to what minumum wage jobs.THANKS CAW


Jennifer
said

Its sad to hear the pollsters here state their miseducated opinions. My husband both have chevy's, both near 150,000 km. So far, we have replaced breaks and tires. My car is quite comfortable and very accomodating for pregnant women and tall passengers front and back and also boasts fuel economy better than Nissans, Toyota's and most german cars in the same class. So really people that think you know your facts get it straight. Domestic cars are not inferior. Low maintenance costs? Not according to my buddy who got charged $200 for an oil maintenance on his Acura, the same car that cost him $6000 for a transmission at 3 years. $3000 for the Toyota that my other friend had purchased, and then there was the two week appointment time for a tire replacement for my coworkers BMW.

Sad how people dictate what inferior products domestic producers manufacture without any of the details.

Here's also a news flash for those that think a multi-company such as GM, profits are hard to maintain when you have several different companies in the same financial statements. I think it might surprise you if you did a comparison say Chevrolet to Toyota, or Pontiac to Nissan.


Art
said

For those that say support a Canadian company. Honda Canada & Toyota Canada are , or are not Canadian any more than Ford Canada or GM Canada is. There is NO Canadian car manufacturer. We are probably the only western nation that does not build their own car except for the other 3rd world country in North America , Mexico!!!


HDOG
said

its not cause they make $30/hr,Toyota pays $33.40/hr why dont they have problems?


Brent - New Brunswick
said

Well, we may not have an auto job left in the country but the PM is going to make sure that we have great tanks and warships.


IAN
said

Joeyann asks if I ever have bought a GM product.Yes. Joeyann says GM will not honour their warranty. Rubbish if bought here legitimately. I would like to know if Joeyann will answer my question, would you rather have a Pontiac Vibe or a Toyota Matrix?


joeyann
said

Jennifer are you one of the GM workers who will be employed, if your so lucky, along side us uneducated consumers?
Get your head out of the sand because there is a long list of complaints due to the poor performance of the GM vehicle. They are not going down for a poor American economy or the price of fuel.


DOUGB
said

Oh NO, we all know what this means...well if your are from Alberta that is. Another plant closure means its time to start locking the bank doors shut. It happened in the 80s and I am sure its going to happen here again...I think during regular hours, we were being hit by a robbery every minute. Time to nail them doors shut, the waves are rocking the boat out east. Oh ya, I am looking at buying an import..sorry Ontario..cheaper and better


Doug
said

Hey don't keep inviting everyone west. They all have choices and when they all choose to vote in a Liberal Government, let them sit there and deal with their own problems now. Why should the rest of us who do not want anything to do with the Liberals have to keep bailing these Liberal provinces out. BC carbon tax is going to sink their tourism down the sewer. Now Ontario has their hands out looking for bail outs. Deal with it folks, you join these unions, ask Buz for a hand out, not the rest of us. Times are tough for everyone and if I have to buy Japanese, American, to Chinese, I am going to buy the best price. Its not the Federal Gov. fault the economys in many countries are having a hard go, but its def. not up to our gov. to be bailing you out.


Dale
said

Ask Buzz if he shops at Walmart? If the answer is Yes, it speaks volumes.

Gord
said

Just get rid of comrad Buzz Hargrove and the auto industry will do just fine in Canada. The modern auto industry cannot afford unions period. Buzz and his left leaning unions are finally seeing the results of all they're work over the last ten years they finnaly broke the bank.

joeyann
said

Ian, I am from the city that motivates, Oshawa ON where my entire family has made a living manufacturing GM vehicles. By the way, I did purchase my 2006 GM Canyon truck legitimately...not sure WHY you would imply otherwise, Anyway I'm sorry I ever laid eyes on it. I wish you had been by my side when the GM dealership decided not to honor the warranty on the heater after they found out it was NOT JUST a fuse issue. So in other words they will fix the problem as long as its not pricey.
Our Toyota Camry has never let us down. What is it you are so anxious to say to me Ian? I'm in no hurry to waste any more money on a new car that being a Pontiac Vibe or Toyota Matrix no matter where they are manufactured


Shelley
said

First I would like to start with the fact that yes, my husband works for GM - $77. an hour Brian, I don't know where you get your information but it is WRONG!!! Including benefits and costs its $44.96 an hour - I've got the book in my hand now. A long way from $77. A lot a bashing is going on about the employees. GM is a company no different than your grocery story or bank. The company signs a contract every THREE years and gives employees the deal; Good management says if they couldn't afford it - they wouldn't give it. Don't for the $15MM bonus for Rick Wagner; I don't think anyone on earth is worth that much cash and you can bet your Honda/Toyota/Kia fellows are doing just as well. How come everyone beats up the worker of a private company but NEVER says a word about Ontario Hydro - you know - DEBT RETIREMENT CHARGE - that we have to pay whether we like it or not!!!! Huge bonuses; huge wages; huge benefits and guess what - you ARE paying for that - it's called a monopoly. Buy your car whereever you want but free trade with other countries just doesn't exist. When anybody loses a job in this Country, we all eventually pay for it. Quit picking on the worker - you have no idea what they do! You can't tell me if a company offered a good wage and benefit package that you wouldn't sign up. If you say no, your lying!! This country is going to be in big trouble in all aspects of business if our jobs continue to move overseas. How many companies have opened up factories in countries with terrible human rights issues? Oh yeah, the payback is poisoning your children and grandchildren with lead-laden toys!!!!


Andrew
said

If your going to blame the Ontario government, then you should be ready to blame the Federal government too! The tories keep blaming everyone else for the current problems Canadians face each day...what gives, eh?


Bob in Harley
said

It is most unfortunate that so many people will lose their jobs. The problem is they were over paid and will not find comparable jobs with comparable salaries. While the CAW has ensured their members are at the top of the pay scale they also put them closer to the door of layoffs. That combined with extremely good retirement packages and benfits has made it such that the auto companies simply cannot compete in the glabal economy. Top that off with poor quality (example my Chysler 300 nearly 30 trips in the fist 2 years to the dealer over defects) drives car buys to the Toyotas and Hondas the the world.

dave
said

Way back in my days all that existed in North America was the big three and thank god for that it keep our province going. Now today all of our manufacturing jobs are leaving to poor countries like china it means more money to the CEOs and the share holders and leaves us out of work.
If you have any doubts just look at the tags on anything and everything you buy
We will end up been the poor soon.

Steve
said

Quite sad that workers will lose their jobs. These are men and women who have families! Can't blame them for wanting as high of a wage as possible. However, I think GM administration might have had something to do with this problem. They have not been too quick to correct known problems in the cars they roll into the show room. Moreover, they do not stand behind their warranty. This has soured a lot of people from buying their vehicles. It should be no surprise that consumers eventually catch on and start buying reliability, quality, and a manufacturer that stands behind it's product. I've owned 3 GMs (all three had head gasket probs, and the third also had numerous other problems including transmission), but have proudly switched to an import. I doubt I'll return to GM.


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