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Date: Wed. May. 7 2008 10:54 PM ET

The day after one of his biggest wins this primary season, Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama is picking up momentum and superdelegate support.

At least four superdelegates -- those party insiders who will likely be needed to push him over the top in his contest with rival Hillary Clinton -- jumped to the Obama camp Wednesday.

Meanwhile, Clinton lost one of her most important superdelegate supporters -- former presidential nominee George McGovern.

He said he told former President Bill Clinton he was switching his support to Obama. McGovern also urged Hillary Clinton in public to drop out of the race.

Meanwhile, Clinton's bid for the Democratic presidential nomination is on shaky ground as insiders say she won't be able to pick up enough delegates to win. She's also facing a money crunch.

On Wednesday she said she had loaned her campaign an additional US$6.4 million. That's on top of the US$5 million she gave herself in February. Clinton's fundraising problems couldn't come at a worse time. Her bid to become the Democratic presidential nominee took a near-knock-out blow Tuesday night after she lost a key southern state and barely eked out a victory in another key primary.

Obama, on the other hand, was enjoying a rare down day at his Chicago home after his strong victory in the North Carolina primary Tuesday. Although he lost to Clinton in Indiana, analysts say the two-point spread between the two did not give Clinton the ammunition she needed to make the case to party officials and superdelegates that she should continue the race in a forceful manner.

In total, Obama won at least 94 delegates and Clinton at least 79 in the two states combined.

Fourteen delegates, 12 from North Carolina and two from Indiana, are still to be awarded.

So far, Obama's delegate total has reached 1,840.5 to 1,688 for Clinton, according to The Associated Press.

To win the nomination, either candidate needs to win 2,025 delegates. There are only 217 delegates at stake in the final six contests: West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota.

"At this point, it really would be a huge travesty in many people's eyes for (Clinton) to be handed the election," Avis Jones Deweever of the National Council of Negro Women told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live Wednesday night.

She noted that in addition to leading in pledged delegates, Obama also leads in the popular vote and number of states won. The Clinton camp has suggested that Obama may not be electable, or at the very least is less electable than Clinton. Deweever said some black voters find the suggestion offensive.

"Some people are suggesting that (the question of electability) is mainly code for the race card -- saying 'Can you really trust a black man to win this in the fall -- maybe you can't,'" Davis noted.

Clinton stays in race

Despite the nearly-insurmountable odds against Clinton winning a majority of pledged delegates or the popular vote, Clinton told her remaining supporters she plans to stay in the race "until there's a nominee."

Obama is expected to split the six primaries with Clinton, say analysts.

Since a split would not give either candidate enough delegates for the nomination, it will be up to the party's superdelegates -- party officials who can vote for either candidate -- to decide the outcome.

Clinton currently has the support of 269 superdelegates and Obama has 255. There are about 220 superdelegates yet to align themselves with either candidate. About 50 others will be named at state party conventions and meetings during the spring.

Toby Condliffe, a superdelegate who lives in Toronto, said Tuesday's primary's will most likely prompt undecided superdelegates to break for Obama.

"I think Obama is clearly the winner, he is within 200 delegates of securing the nomination and at this point I think it's pretty close to game over (for Clinton)," Condliffe, who supports Obama, told CTV's Canada AM on Wednesday.

Obama's camp wants superdelegates to support the candidate with most pledged delegates while Clinton has called on superdelegates to exercise independent judgment.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has told the undecided superdelegates that they need to make up their minds by the end of June.

"I would like them to make up their mind sooner of course," said Condliffe.

Last night's loss and slim win forced the Clinton camp to cancel her morning television appearances Wednesday.

Clinton's campaign also said Wednesday that the New York Senator had to lend her campaign US$6.4 million over the past month.

Presidential historian and author Allan J. Lichtman said Wednesday that Clinton "can't escape the arithmetic."

"I don't think it's a matter of if, it is simply a matter of when Barack Obama wraps up this nomination," Lichtman told CTV's Canada AM on Wednesday.

With files from The Associated Press

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Former Hillary Supporter
said

Hillary just does not get it...


Michele
said

Billary is just looking foolish now.


Hope
said

Thank you North Carolina!!

Please hurry up and finish counting the Indiana votes. Maybe Obama will win!

"I think it's going to be very difficult for Sen. Clinton if she loses both in Indiana and North Carolina," James Carville said Wednesday on CNN's "Larry King Live."




Leslie
said

Nobody can calculate the outcome the next Presidential election. Anything can happen on election. Surprises do occur. The important thing is whether Canada and United States will be able to work together including areas that both countries diasgree on. As a Canadian it is rare that all parties will support anything good for Canada. The Liberals for the most always will against a good idea. The Liberals do not have leadership or confidence in any of their candidates. NDP have been growing. They seem to be more conservative than the Liberals. The NDP would do better without Layton as leader. Hampton is a far better candidate than Layton.I think Conversative & NDP would do well for Canada more than Liberals could ever do for Canada.


fighting for Canada
said

It's heartbreaking to see US politics make top story headlines the same day one of our soldiers has been killed in battle (for Canada).




Joe Szentirmay
said

Not good if you're a Republican.He'll be harder to beat come election time, though I still think and hope Senator McCain will win. Nevertheless it's great news Clinton won't get in, she's an opportunist and not trustworthy.


Bill
said

Give it up Hillary unite the party.


JW
said

$450 million and counting for Clinton and Obama. So much more could be done with the money. What a waste. Its just a really expensive pi$$ing contest.


Wayne R
said

Somebody tell Hill-Billy it's time to throw in the sponge... this thing is over and she's only doing damage by staying in....


Doug BC
said

Sadly,it looks like our American cousins have to choose from a rather dismal list of candidates.I don't agree with "Joe Szentirmay" about him being harder to beat than Clinton.He sounds as phoney as a three dollar bill to me.I'm sure that will come over loud ad clear when the general election takes place.
His only chance of winning the Whitehouse is that perhaps citizens in the USA will take out their anger with Bush on all Republicans.
"JW"'s point about the $$$$$ is well taken though.And,with 50 states,Congress,and the Senate,what are the chances they'll find much agreement on anything no matter who sits in the Whitehouse?
As in Canada,it's more about the way we do government than it is about who we have doing it.


Patrick
said

If Obama wins the nomination, the Democrats don't stand a chance in the national election. America is far too racially divided to elect a black man as president. It is sad to say that in this day and age, but is the truth.


Adrian
said

Vote for "Monica-Lewinsky's- ex-boyfriend's-wife" for President!




Allan Eizinas
said

Hillary and Obama are not the only Democratic choice;

Obama and Hillary continue to battle while continuing to bloody each other, undermine each other and the Democratic Party hopes in the election begin to fade. It appears that Hillary cannot win by the numbers but is prepared to take the party down with her.

I suggest two very weird but possible scenarios;

1. Hillary loses at (or before) the Democratic convention and decides to run as an independent. Obama gets the nomination. This would split the left wing vote and McCain is a guarantee.

Or

2. The decision goes to the convention. Hillary and Obama are so damaged and their supporters have painted themselves into intransient corners. Neither support group is prepared to support the other if they are eventually declared the Democratic Party candidate. The “back room boys” of the party see that selecting either nominee would guarantee losing to the Republicans in the election.

Former Democratic Vice President (and almost President) Al Gore is nominated from the floor of the Democratic convention, becomes the compromise candidate and this recent Nobel Prize winner, wins the nomination.

It becomes Democrat Al Gore (with the support of both Obama and Clinton supporters) vs. Republican McCain.

Hey – Dion became leader of the Liberal Party through a third choice compromise candidate process.



Martha
said

How can it be over when there is a pretty statistical tie with only about 2% separating them in the popular vote and 5% in the delegate count, plus she is ahead in super-delegates. It's no like McCain and Huckabee who were like 35% apart - that was obvious. Here's it's marginal and people want her to give up? Florida and Minnesota still have to be accounted for.


Linda
said

HaHa.We've all been waiting so long to say good-bye to Bush,that we never considered the possibility that his departure could see things getting even worse.
At least,not until now.


Hans
said

My prediction if Obama wins.

He will look like a push-over internationally.

The $ will tank, stocks drop, oil prices rise.

Canada will be hit by the ensuing recession.

Terrorism will rise.

Obama will likely win -- and let's just be honest -- only because he is black. Only.

McCain, with a clear albeit conservative stand, is in the best interests of American policy and economy.

Care about Canada? You'd better hope McCain wins. Hey, you don't have to live there, but you do have to live with the political and economic fallout.



Peter in Saskatoon
said

Obama's problem in the general election will be his lack of experience, not his race. At least I hope voters will see through the hype - of course, we elected Mulroney, and he made a mess of things, although he managed to shift the blame to Kim Campbell, so maybe they will elect him. If they do, the Bush mistakes will seem minor compared to Obama's. I also think the Republicans have a better chance against Obama than against Hillary.


Alan
said

American people have a very clear choice to make and Obama's nomination is the litmus test; they will have to answer to the idea of going around the world telling people and nation sometimes forcefully on how to inspire for a democratic , egalitarian and unbiased system and yet, being seen as unable to overcome racial bigotry in their own backyard to elect the first black president.


Peter in Vancouver
said

Reality check. Do you honestly think that Clinton is the best choice for democracy?

Quick facts....

When Bush Jr gets booted out in 2009, that will be a total of 20 years that 2 families have controlled the direction of the US. Throw Clinton back into the mix and you could potentially be looking at 28 years of family rule. Factor into that the additional 8 years that Bush Sr served as vice president under Reagan, well then we have a potential of 36 years of two families dictating how a country runs.

Whoops, did I say dictating?

Somehow I doubt that the "founding fathers" had that in mind when they created democracy? So where is the democracy in that?


Robin da Hood
said

I have no doubt Hillary Clinton won't go down without making a fuss... its her style. I'm certain many Americans, being as sexist and racist as they are, will vote for McCain more to spite Obama as the man who defeated their woman and, "more importantly" because he is black. By some miracle I hope Obama stills manages to win if only because he is about 10 times more intelligent than most Republicans, Bush in particular, and infinitely more intelligent than the voters who put Bush there,.. Twice!.



Dennis
said

I am hoping Obama will win because McCain will find him easier to defeat. They do not want a Democrat leader right now any more than we need a liberal leader


Mark
said

While Obama may ultimately prevail as the Democratic nominee, I believe McCain will win the election in part because of all the good sound bites Hillary has provided and because Obama has zero chance of winning any of the swing states.


Buster B Brown
said

Hans you are wrong .Obama can bear the old timer McCain, he is a war hawk and people in the Usa are more worried about the Iraq and ,the economy and health care. I am worried that the losing Clintons will drag Florida and Michigan back into this in hopes out of desperaton that they can change enough rules to win.


Rodney
said

Just a comment for Hans. Your prediction is already happening. The economy has already tanked in the US, the dollar is foundering, and terrorism has risen steadily under present conditions. The feeling back in 1961 was that Kennedy created risk for the US because he was a pushover after Eisenhower. The more important perception was one of change within the US. Arguably Americas greatest decade (economically, socially, and creatively). Obama may represent that same change. Depends on your perspective.


Lorne
said

The millions of dollars that has been spent by the candidates in the primaries is absolutely ridiculous.
The end result: Candidates that are not qualified to be President and a whole lot of dissension in the ranks, that will carry over into the actual election.
The only solution would be if both national committees choose another candidate for election.
John Edwards and Al Gore might be possible selections for the Democrats.
There must be a better candidate for the Republicans then McCain.
An independent candidate might stand a reasonable chance to become President.


Kevin
said

I don't want someone who can't accept defeat with their finger on the button.


Robert M
said

Any bets that because it is so close that a 'compromise candidate' gets chosen at the convention - Al Gore comes from the sidelines and walks away with the nomination?

Neither Obama or Clinton can win the election - too many Democrats will vote Republican if their first choice doesn't win.



Kevin
said

Patrick, you are wrong. The US can and will elect a black president. In 6 months you will see. Barrack Obama will be the next president. Mark my words.


dave
said

The democratic primaries is the most bizarre, over-complicated example of how a democratic government would function. Obama is a good man but too liberal. Why anybody would want more years of power hungry Clintonians is beyond me.


Canuck in WA state
said

Canadians complain about Yanks who dont know anything about Canada. Many of these remarks seem to make about as much sense.

for those slamming Obama as disingenious, read his book.

I am a big Obama fan. I am also a big Harper fan. Both of these people seem to have an intolerance for the political process being hampered by self serving politicians.

It will be Obama beating McCain with 54.5% of the popular vote.


Balgonie Bob
said

Stick with it Hillary! Since this race seems to be over looks not substance, I would vote for you 'cuz you're hot.


Dylan
said

I think Clinton should stick with it - based on her edge in superdelegate votes, if it comes down to those votes, she's got the edge over Obama. I also don't believe she should be punished because her husband was president before her - she's her own person with her own ideas - she's not Bill Clinton.

However, I tend to agree with the comments that say McCain will win. He's distanced himself enough from Bush that voters will see the Republicans as a viable alternative to their first choice (Obama/Clinton) not being on the ticket. It's interesting that McCain could become president not based on merit, but simply because voters don't want a woman/black man as president.


Martha
said

Two points: Allan made a few proposals for potential outcomes. The one I do agree with is the Al Gore one - I'd read that somewhere too and it's not to be ruled out. The Hillary sitting-as-an-independant proposal is not likely since she was pointedly asked that question by a reporter a week ago and she said if she lost she would absolutely help the Democratic party win, no matter what - that was a promise.
On another note, someone said some would not elect Senator Obama because of his race. That's so yesterday a comment. If you check the stats, it's precisely the so-called white voters who are supporting about 75% of his base, simply because they make up a larger voting block. He would not be where he is without white voters so to level a charge of racism against Americans just because some don't think he's their favourite candidate for other reasons like the Wright affair or his relative inexperience on the world stage, is not fair to those who seriously consider all issues. It's just too easy to blame race on everything. Same can be said then about sexism and platitudes like "it's still a man's world". Hillary isn't levelling that charge thank goodness. Americans will choose the candidates that best reflect their values - and not base their decisions on race or gender. Give them some credit please.


Kevin White
said

Its really an insult to my intelligence that everyone is writing off Hillary, its also very insulting to the readers that you have not indentified the super deligate who says its game over for hillary.This super deligate is probably an Obama supporter trying to put a spin on things. The race is not over yet for hillary's race for the White House as the demorcatic candidate. That is yet to be deceided at convention time in June.I know that Hillary will not give up the fight.


Clive
said

Hilliary will stay in so that she can ensure that Obama does not get elected and spend 8 years in the White House. This would make her a little too old to run in 2016. McCain will become President. She is counting on his lasting only 4 years giving her another chance to run in 2012. If she goes Independent she will anger so many Democrats that she would have no hope of running in 2012.


Maureen
said

The Clinton Campaign tried every dirty trick in the book to sway the voters in both NC and Indiana, but the public proved once again that they make their choices based on their heart, and mind, not what the media screams at them from the TV screen. It is time for Hillary and Bill to realize that they are NOT ENTITLED to the nomination. Obama has held his head high and dealt with one smear tactic after the other, and he will go on to win the nomination.


Craig
said

This race is still quite close.

Howard Dean needs to get over Democratic Party arrogance and re-instate the Florida and Michigan primary delegates.

With a contest so hotly contested, it just isn't fair to ignore the votes of 2 states simply because they changed the date of the vote.




Jim
said

I'll bet Sen. McCain is on the phone right now thanking Obama for the Oval Office.


Sunny
said

Whoever hits 2024 delegates first wins the Democratic nomination...

The party will then go after McCain whose association with Bush has higher negatives then Wright OR Bill Clinton.


David fm NS
said

This is simply a contest for 2nd place. McCain will win in a landslide over either of these candidates.


mac
said


"The $ will tank, stocks drop, oil prices rise."

The $ is already dropping. It's been dropping since Bush took office. Stocks are dropping. Oil prices are rising.

Don't try blaming the US downturn on the next president.

The US has been run into the ground by an incompetent dolt.





RRO
said

Anyone who thinks Hilary is dumb needs a serious wake up call. She is no longer fighting for this nomination, she is fighting for the next one. She is going to these states and building her machine, making new contacts and working on a message.

As for all the people who say Obama's supporters will not back Hilary. Well every poll tells us that more of her supporters will not back Obama, in fact a large chunk of her supporters will chose McCain. If Obama, had waited till next time, Hilary would have been able to undercut the same base McCain draws from, mean while taking the core Democrats as well. Obama has done just as much to split the party as Hilary.

Obama will lose the election and for all of those saying Obama is the man. Think again, if he is so great why can't he clinch the nomination without the Superdelegates. He and Hilary are tied in that aspect. Obama will be tainted by an undemocratic superdelegate selection. He will lose the McCain.

In four years time after Obama loses and is forgotten, many hilary supporters will start saying, we should have gone with Hillary. She will bulldoze through the next primary season and clinch the election.


Vancouver Girl
said

McCain in 2008!!!


dave
said

what is clearly being demonstrated by Hillary Clinton and her staff is a snow globe view of what a Clinton administration would be like. Turned over, shaken and with lots and lots of snow. And don't forget that little air bubble at the top.

Really, the divine right of kings concept is pretty much shot these days.

Were I Bill, I'd find an event in Idaho that needed attending,.. at length.


Keith, Halifax
said

After seeing Obama’s speech last night all I can say is wow. He has his groove back and looks like a much stronger, humbler and wiser leader from dealing with the adversity. I find him to be one of the most inspiring leaders I’ve ever seen.

McCain’s only strength is that he is popular with independents but Obama will totally neutralize that strength by picking up most of them. So in reality the Republicans will be sporting a very weak candidate not much liked by its base. The days of the far right controlling the US are finally coming to and end—the Republicans are going to get pasted in November.



Obama needs Hillary - Hillary needs Obama
said

It's interesting that people are counting it all but over, but yet the DNC has no answer on seating the Delegates from Michigan and Florida. They know they will loose the general election if they tell their voters there, they don't matter, regardless of any rules. Pair that with telling the super delegates how they should vote, it's really anyone’s game (but most likely Obama at this point).

That said I also don't understand the Hillary haters from the Obama camp. It doesn't take Einstein here to realise that if he gets the nomination, and does not put her on the ticket, that potentially 50% of the democrat vote could possibly go to a republican candidate out of sheer spite. The same goes the other way - if she can some how take it, and does not put Obama on the ticket, she won't win either.

The Democrats have long thought they will have a landslide victory here, but they are really on the verge of loosing it all. If they can't unite after all of this, if they cannot bring Hillary & Obama supporters together, then they will have a massive defeat come November...



Sonny Pawchuk
said

It is really unfortunate. Both of these candidates are amazing. But with the bitter infighting, there is now significant data showing that if a person's candidate doesn't win, that candidates supporters will refuse to vote or vote for McCain as a retribution vote.


rob williams
said

Clinton 269 SuperD's, Obama 255 superD's. Seems to me Hillary is ahead by 14, and with two hundred and seventy SuperD's to weigh in, the numbers just don`t support an easy win for either candidate.


bunny
said

She won nothing.I saw it in her daughters eyes, they were full of tears.I see that one Clinton has faced reality.She should take mom aside, this party is looking weak


Obama, he's the man!
said

Hilary Clinton is a very dangerous woman in my estimation. She will lie (proven) or say anything to get elected. She has huge financial interest in amalgamating US health care companies together which in itself would command control of about 7% of the US economy. This chick has an agenda that we really don't want to see put in place... BAD NEWS!




Ryan P.
said

Hillary is just becoming annoying....ending OPEC to lower gas prices are you serious? This is politics at the bottom....Let Obama start to battle McCain and go back to New York!


Anna
said

It's difficult to be interested in a political process where the candidate who gets the most votes doesn't necessarily win the election. But I guess the strategy is to keep Americans distracted with this so that they don't notice their economy is going down the toilet.

IMHO, anyone would be an improvment.


Joanne
said

Its not over till its over. She wasn't supposed to make it this far either.


Andrew
said

Hiliary please, drop out, don't let McCain win with you being a sore loser. Let Obama take the nomination so the party can re-unite and stop bickering, we need to make sure that the U.S dosn't continue down the path it already is, as if they continue into recession Canada will be pulled down with it


GW
said

Personally I like Obama better because he’s smarter and will be much more interesting to watch both in the upcoming election and as president. Actually I like them both mostly because they both plan to pull out of Iraq and because neither of them is George Bush. Barack would do better at reducing big business influence in government which is probably the biggest problem in the U.S. I only hope it doesn’t get him killed.

There is no way John McCain is going to win this November. The republicans don’t stand a chance and you all know it. Bush is the most unpopular president in all time, the war is massively unpopular, the countries’ in recession with massive debt, the middle class is being wiped out, the price of a barrel of oil is $120 and climbing, inflation is climbing, etc. all thanks to the last 8 years of governing from a pack of self-serving republican idiots. Couple this with the massive turn-out of Democrats for these primaries and writing is on the wall. The republicans are corrupt to the bone and will be routed. It’s going to be sweet.



GlennW
said

I think the whole primary system is a joke but they strive to be as democratic as possible even allowing the general electorate to pick the nominee. My call is that McCain will win and is probably the best leader but I do think that Obama would go a long way to improve their standing in the world. If the Americans can elect a African American with there history they will prove a lot.


Robert Johnston Calgary (Vote Wizard)
said

The decision had to arrive in the numbers and the numbers now decide it. Hillary as leader just can't happen in the system they use. So the Democrats would now gain important focus and resolve to have their one leader start taking on the full campaign against the Republicans.


Observer
said

If Gore got it I think the Obama team would be pissed, and for good reason... think of the voters....thy did not vote for Gore


Hans
said

Good point RRO

Obama will be tainted by an undemocratic superdelegate selection.

Hanging chad from Bush to 'Bama

I realize the same will be said if Clinton wins, but then for the sake of everybody I simply hope McCain wins.


American Idolator !
said

The people who are drooling over the American political scene are like a bunch of Canadian kiddies who are disappointed they can't get to vote on American idol ...!

If the Liberals are smart , they should hook up their party with the Democrats before the next Canadian election ..and win over these Canadian/American Idol fanatics..

(...or have they already done that ??? ha..ha..)






JeffW
said

What I can't understand is why the Americans use such a ridiculously long and extravagantly expensive election system. I admit to not being entirely sure how it works, but there HAS to be some way to improve the system. This has taken what? Two years? and some $450M??? How does this benefit anyone - candidates and voters included? There must be a better way!


Fitzz
said

You have to remember the particular brand of stubbornness which the "Billary" candidacy represents. This one will likely go all the way to the convention floor and be decided in the smoke-filled back rooms. This despite all the campaigning, voting and wasted expenditures of all concerned.

All of this plays beautifully into the hands of the GOP who could very well make a return to the White House at the expense of of the fractious Democrats.


retep
said

When I read the comments I'm amazed we still know how to blow our own noses. You run down and slander Dion, and you think McCain is filled with all the wisdom there is in the world. If you would stop hating the Liberals or anybody that thinks that sharing the wealth of this country with it's citizens is sick; I feel sorry for you. You are very poor in spirit. Please forgive me for doubting your wisdom


Chuck
said

Let's go back to the Nov/06 election when oil was at $60 a barrel, gas was $2.15 a gallon, and the US dollar was very strong. The democrats ran on a platform to reduce oil & gas prices and get out of Iraq. They won control of the Congress and Senate. Fast forward 18 monthe Oil is at $123 a barrel and Gas is approaching $4.00 a gallon.For all you Bush haters the President has very little power when the other party controls the two Houses. He signs the bills or vetoes them! You all better pray McCain wins or it's curtains for all of us.


Dan Z.
said

To all you foolish Canadians so taken with the American Political scene.

The liberals made a good PR move getting Howard Dean for opening speaker at the Liberal Leadership Convention thus associating the Liberals with the Democrats.. ( or maybe the yanks were the smart ones here ?)

I can just see all the salivating american idol fans in the voting booths during the next Canadian general election ......

Just close your eyes and pretend ..yes pretend ..you are voting for Obama or Hillary ..YES ..YES...I can vote in the American Election !!what a wonderful fantasy !!



Chris
said

It is ironic that most Canadians prefer the democratic party to the Republican. The fallout for Canada with Obama in the white house will be severe. Count on particular attention being paid to opening up NAFTA as protectionist forces assume power. Canada will NOT benefit from Obama or Clinton in the White House. Look at the history, and Canada's absolute economic dependence on the US. Canada will have a better lot with McCain and most economists and educated Canadian citizens understand that stark fact.


Jeff
said

Is Hillary sticking with it in hopes that Obama will take her as the VP?


RRO
said

Anyone who thinks Hilary Clinton is dumb or desperate. Should look at her record. She knows what she is doing.
If I had to guess I would say she is running for the next nomination.
Its time to face facts, Obama will win the nomination and lose the election. Clinton knows this. So she will continue this race as long as possible, bring up issues, building support and a message.
When Obama loses because he couldn't win over seniors, middle class white men and women or the lower income families. Democrats will look and say we should have gone with Clinton.
She will have lots of practise, lots of contacts and momentum to win the next nomination.
If Obama had waited he could have been President. He should have let Hilary have this one, she would have split seniors and middle class families with McCain and held the base. Obama got to caught up in his own hype.
To many of Clintons supports will now go over to McCain.
Hilary 2012
Obama Never


RRO
said

Obama is inexperienced and ill prepared. He is surrounded by extremely isolationist leftists. He will be the worst thing to hit Canada since Bush.
Bill Clinton has visited Canada many times since leaving office. Hilary is a realist and a politican. He threats against trade are political at best. Hilary will not be bad for Canada.
McCain likes Canada and knows where it is located. So he is already better than Bush. He is for NAFTA and cooperation with Canada.
Canadians focus to much on rhetoric and to little on fact.


Frustrated New Brunswicker
said

To: Fighting For Canada - I totally agree with you. It is very heartbreaking, even more so when U.S politicians don't give a rats *** about Canada's military involvement in Afghanistan. It's sickening to say the least. Well I have something I would like to say - Cpl. Michael Starker; you have served your country well and you are in the thoughts and prayers of all Canadians. To the family and friends of Cpl. Starker, he will certainly be missed, but never forgotten.
As for U.S politics - WHO CARES!!


Roadrobber
said

The Clintons just don't get it. They obviously figure they can work their backroom old boys network to get the superdelegate vote needed to win the Democratic nomination. They are doing more damage to their party over the long haul and giving the Republicans a much needed boost for the next election. They need to put their personal agendas aside for the good of their own party and the people of the USA.


Chris
said

I like Hillary always have. I think she has paved the way for future woman to run. What a momentous compaign. I wish she could have gotten the Dem. nomination. Barack is....trouble.


Erik
said

I am shocked at so many people saying McCain's a shoe in. McCain has fundraised about 1/4 of the money of either of the dem's, he NEVER the front page story for top of mind recognition, and the democratic nomination process has, at the very least, come close to breaking all records. For the only reason that these candidates, and particularly Obama have reinvigorated the electoral process with a typically ignorant populace. These people will show up again in the general election. The Republicans don't have the money, the support, the excitement, and they have to fight against incumbancy.


Peter
said

I just thought I would point out that Mr McGovern is in fact not a superdelegate. He probably lost that privilege when he lost to Nixon.

And whoever does win the Democratic presidential nomination, they are likely to lose to McCain. Only the Democrats could screw up such a golden opportunity that is George W. Bush.


Canuck in WA state
said

Re: The amazingly stupid remark that oil went from 65 to 123 because the democrats took control.

Understand, this is coming from a big Harper fan. To suggest that all things liberal are an economic disaster is simplistic and ignorant. The dollar is crashing because of 8 years of economic stupdity. YOU CAN'T RUN DEFICITS long term. BUSH has been a terrible president, and his incompetent economic policy has been the biggest mistake. HEY CHUCK, try using your brain. And I liked Ford, thought Nixon was a very competent president (though unpleasant person) and felt the same way about the male version of Clinton. So I am not a "my party right or wrong" person. Bush is just been terrible.


Jen
said

Obama supporters are the ones that do not get it. Many appear to be voting for him because he's black and this is not how a president should be chosen. Americans should not vote for him because he is black. Likewise, they should not vote for Hillary because she is a woman. Rather, they should be voting for the candidate with the best track record, the best policies and the most experience. Based on these criteria, Clinton is the one to vote for.

Sachin
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How come no one here is talking about the Limbaugh effect?

Yes it's Operation Chaos folks: Hard-core conservative Republicans are coming out (crossing party lines) and voting for Hilary in these primaries in order to prolong the Democratic race and give Republicans the edge in November.

It's a conspiracy folks -HAHA. Don't let this one get away!

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