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Date: Thu. May. 1 2008 11:33 AM ET
Extra years in school aren't paying off financially for many of Canada's young people, who are better educated but worse paid than people their age a generation ago.
According to census data released Thursday by Statistics Canada, workers between the ages of 25 and 29 make less than their predecessors, especially men.
In 1980, median earnings for full-time male workers in that age group were equal to $43,767 in today's wages. In 2000, they had dropped to $38,110 and by 2005 they were at $37,680.
While women have statistically always earned less than men, their drop in wages was notably less drastic. In 1980, women aged 25 to 29 made $32,813 in inflation-adjusted dollars. In 2005 they earned just slightly less, $32,104, according to the report, titled "Earnings and Incomes of Canadians over the Past Quarter Century, 2006 Census."
The trend toward reducing wages for young men began in developed countries around the world in the early 1980s, according to StatsCan analyst Rene Morissette. At that time, economists believed new technology was replacing young workers, he told The Canadian Press.
Around the same time, some companies began to offer new workers lower wages than senior employees in order to reduce costs while maintaining morale among senior staff, he said.
More service jobs
These days, young people are staying in school longer and men are less likely to find full-time work once they finish, unless they work in the trades.
Another factor in lower incomes is the expanded service industry, which usually pays less than other sectors such as manufacturing. Morissette suggested increased employment in service is responsible for about 15 per cent of the decline in young people's wages.
Reduced wages for young people means that by the time they reach 30 or 35, most have significantly lower savings than their parents did at the same time.
While young people were the hardest hit group of respondents, they weren't the only ones suffering from a downturn in financial fortunes.
Middle class treading water
Thursday's report stated lower-income people are making less money than ever while the rich get richer. Middle-class people are treading water, still making close to the same amount of money they were 30 years ago.
Between 1980 and 2005, median earnings:
- increased by 16.4 per cent for the top 20 per cent of full time workers
- increased only 0.1 per cent for those in the middle 20 per cent
- fell 20.6 per cent for those in the bottom fifth
Workers today make a mere $53 more annually than in 1980, when adjusted for inflation, the census states.
"People are pedalling harder than ever," the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives' Armine Yalnizyan told CTV's Canada AM on Thursday. "Women are really the big news story in preventing the middle class from collapse."
As income rises for the upper class, housing prices tend to be draw upwards as well, making it ever more difficult for lower-income people to own homes, she said.
The combination of rising housing costs and lower income affects young families and new immigrants the most, she said.
"The gap between Canadian born (people) and immigrants is growing," she said. "They're doing worse off than similar types of immigrants in the 1980s."
If stagnation for the middle class and reduced fortunes for those in the bottom bracket is the norm despite the booming economy, we're looking at a rough future, said Yalnizyan.
"The economy hasn't performed like this in 50 years. This is as good as it gets."
With files from The Canadian Press
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.



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Shamaro
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hgkash
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"You need to work in order to pay off your student loan but often you just take jobs just to have money that don't pay you as well as it could if you had time to search.''
Mollly
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Robin da Hood
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yoyoma
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Walter
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I am often confronted with disbelief that a professional degree can saddle someone with $75k in debt at 8-9% interest. That is a mortgage payment in another name.
These large student debt loads coupled with inflationary pressure has really done a good job at keeping the 'yuppy'a slave to which ever paycheque they can find.
As a semi-related opinion; I have very little sympathy for people with some general degree, Ba's Bc's etc who now have the debt but no skills. The whole purpose of taking on a student debt is to get skills that are valuable. Not to be qualified to work in some cube-farm completing work that was performed by high-school drop-outs a generation prior.
Don
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David #1
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Now you "Canadians" take all your money from your low-paying job and spend it at Walmart where you buy all those Chinese products made at companies that you used to work for. China's economy is booming thanks in large part to people like you.
Ah..the reality of globalization and free-trade. Here's an interesting idea...how about we change the word "free" to "fair"-trade. Maybe communist China can go educate itself on what that means and act accordingly.
Mike
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Roger T
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Now a days, kids expect more from their parents while living under their roof!
Paul
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There are lots of obscure jobs that people don't even think about that are desparate for people. Technicians for specialized medical equipment like MRI's come to mind. Young people need to be told what opportunities for work are out there, and then they need to get degrees to help them get those jobs. Picking a topic in school because you like it rarely is the path to financial success.
David
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Brian
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Jane
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Phil
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DL
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Frank Buchan
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Note that I'm not calling out the boomers here, as every generation alive today is generally equally entitled and wasteful, just observing that statistically we have an overwhelming number of folks headed toward retirement and an ever-shrinking base of taxpayers coming along more slowly behind them.
Also, as a stray thought, consider that no matter how we try to protect our "social safety net" we are going to have to change our expectations, either intentionally or in reaction to a financial imperative. Too bad we haven't the will to take care of ourselves.
JT
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31 Delta
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Mark - Student
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And "Roger T", I resent the fact that we are just taking from our parents and that we're lazy. Did you ever think that all the baby boomers are putting a strain on our entire system (healthcare, CPP/QPP, corporate pensions, etc)? Thanks to all the baby boomers, I am getting screwed. I will have to pay taxes and more taxes to pay for your benefits, and I won't get much. With the rising costs of everything, I'm going to be in the poor-house.
I only hope I can find a decent paying job in my desired field to pay off my debts and hopefully live a half-decent life, because I know I won't be living like my parents did.
DWB
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Now citizens in developed countries like Canada have to compete not only internally but also globally. In the new information age where technology is portable, protectionism - of the government and the coersive union kinds - no longer work. It may have been difficult for a corporation to quickly move a factory to another place when the business environment became unfavourable, but now it is technology not industrial plant that's the engine of wealth.
If young people want good paying jobs, they need to be better educated and/or more productive than their competitors elsewhere in the world. The pervasive attitudes inherited from 1960's counter-culture that told our youth that they could party their lives away without consequences will now be condemned to the garbage can of history where it belongs.
Kevin L
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Katie
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truthseeker
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Doug BC
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After all,all that the boomers did was build the roads,the schools,the power projects,hospitals,and on and on.And,unless my re-collection of history is faulty,it was the 1970's when Canada started accumulating debt.That was a mistake.But oddly it seems like the boomers are the only ones interested in paying it off.Many young people today advocate for things like "free" educations or "free transit,or "free" child care,etc,etc.There is NO FREE.Just taxes that make someone else pay.
Also,there seems to be a reluctance for young people to go into "skilled trades".There are thousands of jobs vacant in those fields.In the case of one family,one thing remains true.The father working as an air traffic controller,and the mother as a nurse wll provide a very nice family income.And why it surprises anyone that a "sociology" degree doesn't assure a good income,is beyond me.
This is a relatively free society,and we do have choices.But if you want to earn more money,your choice as to how to educate yourself is the key.
We can't all be professional managers or social engineers.And non skilled labour will be shipped to low wage countries. Sadly.Free trade is not always fair trade.
GP
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It isn't in the public sector. Public employees are not the high paying jobs of 20 years ago, but...
Corporate profits/greed are up a staggering amount. I got it, maybe large business has decided they don't need a middle class. They just need “resources” not people. Lots of resources in China.
Vanessa
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Been there, done that
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My spouse and I graduated in the 1980s when jobs were scarce and student loan interest was 14%!!! We had lousy, low-paying jobs, but we saved our pennies, had a SMALL wedding (not the lavish nonsence of today)bought a SMALL run-down house, survived without a microwave, vcr, cell phone or ipod (and, horror of horrors, we used cloth diapers on the kids!!!) and over the years, life got better.
A lot of young people don't want to start at the bottom and don't want to work hard. And they blow a boatload of money on cell phone bills. That's why they have less than their parents!
It's not the econony, it's the people.
zac
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An MA does not get you a job. It gets you the opportunity to apply for jobs that you won't get unless you've got a connection. Hiring is not done on the basis of what you know but whom you know.
If employers don't want graduates with degrees in Humanities et al., why do universities such as the University of Waterloo keep bragging that their Arts grads are more in demand than their Science grads, with a higher employment rate after two years from graduation.
There is a lot of lying going on because the system bosses don't want the slaves to catch on.
Society is run for people who own, not for people willing and able to work.
pp
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I know of many a person with a PHD in Philosophy working at Timmies - remember what PHD really stands for - 'Piled Higher and Deeper'.... :)
Someone needs to tell these kids to get jobs in the trades where they can earn real money.
ted
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A degree is not a prereq for a decent salary. Two or three years in a college for technical or technology certs are usually doing just fine. Those that got degrees in commerce, engineering, systems and business are usually doing just fine.
Secondly, a 75k debt in student loans for an undergrad degree is simply nuts. Why weren't you working in the summer and the rest of the year? What the heck did you think university was? A holiday of some kind? My wife worked at 3 different part-time jobs while working on her undergrad degree and graduated debt-free. I was lucky. I worked for a year after high-school to add to my university fund, so I only needed one part-time job and summer employment to graduate debt free.
Since when were starting salaries dependant on the new employees debt load? All lot of this sounds like the generation that wants rather than wants to learn and earn. Salaries come with time and experience. Certificates are only a foot in the door.
Kathleen
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Chris
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It's a shame that our young people don't consider a career in the Military. We have countless amount of career opportunities, including education opportunities at no cost (and you get paid)!!!
I'm in the communciations trade and make $65K a year gross. My education and training didn't cost me a dime, plus I earn extra money for operational duties, paid vacations, and a great pension.
For all you young people suffering from the student loan crunch, join the military in your field of education, and you will get the experience and funds to help you.
Jeff Langille
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Stephen
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Air Force Tech
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JDW
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eric
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.Net Guru
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I feel for those just coming out of University and trying to land that 1st job. It seems harder and harder to do and may require moving to do so.
Mickey
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Pat
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Tony The Underemployed Computer Guy
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Your points are largely reasonable, but I disagree with your opinion that someone shouldn't garner sympathy if they got a general B.Sc. instead of a job-ready diploma.
I graduated with an Honours B.Sc. in computer science some years ago. One astounding fact I learned in my studies was about certain types of computer scientists called "Knowledge Engineers" It seems the very best Knowledge Engineers tend to be liberal arts and humanities grads, not computer grads, not even computer P.HDs! My point is that a general B.Sc. is verifiably a job-ready degree; who knows better than the free market?
MJM
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GW
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I don’t believe in pure socialism like the NDP would have but I do believe a serious amount of government control is quite necessary for long term stability and prosperity. U.S. big business demonizes socialist policy for the sake of shareholder profit with little concern for the counties long term well being. It’s not that capitalism is evil but it does need to be regulated. Human weaknesses such as greed and selfishness tend to get out of control if not regulated either internally with some kind of self discipline or externally as with government policy.
Ontarian
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I took two years in technical school, then made pretty good money in my profession until I decided to stay at home with my children. My husband went straight to police college out of high school and now makes close to 100K per year. Neither one of us had any school debt to pay.
Today's generation spends too much time trying to figure out what to do and spending money on the education every time they change their minds.
Jim
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My father told me long ago..."get a trade and you will never go hungry"...he was right.
This year I should crack six figures. Life is good!
Linda T
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CAB
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BC WetCoaster
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Expect more of this as you continue to feed the global economy machine.
D.M.
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The BA is not what it used to be folks. Employers want to know what you can do for them, not how educated you are.
A BA in history, philosophy, english lit., communications, etc. is great for your education (education is important), but it's delusional to think these degrees will give you the job skills you need to thrive in the 21st century workplace. Learn a unique skill or something that is in demand and you'll have no problem getting the big bucks.
I picked up two BAs and both had little market potential. I corrected it by spending two years in community college and boom, job problem solved.
Times have changed. Skills are in, degrees are out. Either adapt to the new reality or look forward to an exciting future as a sandwich artist or telemarketer.
Trent
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I do agree that many professions also look at new unniversity graduates as a source of 'slave' labour and don't adequately renumerate them. My example is a bit old but at the turn of the century when I entered the job market with a bachelor of commerce and was pursuing a career as a Chartered Accountant, firms were paying new students $22,000-24,000/year. How can a young professional living in a major city (most CA firms are located there) afford to live and repay their debts with that wage? Many jumped ship and headed into industry where you could double your starting salary.
Gail
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Robin the Hood
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What the article does reveal well is how, on the average, this country has been failing it younger generations which is an absolute scandal in my opinion. Politicians and other power brokers need to be held - yes even legally - to account for this deplorable situation.
Recent graduate
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Why are people here saying that youngsters are all taking useless degrees? I have a degree in Computer Systems Engineering and I'm faced with the same problems (and I work with a bunch of people who have irrelevant degrees for this field of work, so that's not an excuse for not finding a job). I can't really afford a car or a house, I have a reasonable amount of student loans to pay off (less than 15K left) and I've run out of tuition credits for my taxes, which means I have to give the government a chunk of money every April.
Most companies have moved to HR firms for employees, who end up taking 10-20% of your salary... also, all these jobs come in as contracts, which means no benefits to the employee. All I'm looking for is a job that will offer me health coverage but they're asking me to take a 15K$ drop in salary to get it... lining me up pretty much with a McDonald's employee in terms of salary.
Carolina
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Miscouche Mike
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University is being hyped far more than it should be. Trades training is post-secondary as well, and there is no guarantee of sufficiently paid jobs there either.
Both of them are taking up the slack from a public school system that is more concerned with providing a Warm 'n Fuzzy social experience than a knowledge and skills-based outcome.
We have done it to ourselves, yes, but it doesn't help that our governments are comprised of members who receive salaries and benefits that the majority of voters can only enjoy in dreams, or that the investment community is driving the decisions that maintain the income gaps that exist in our economy.
You want change? Make it, and face the challenges of your decisions, because no one else is responsible for getting you what you want.
LK
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Sean
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I also believe that a mandatory high school course should be a detailed look at all the career choices out there for kids. Let them truly understand and learn what choices are available to them before they start down the path to an English Lit degree or some other dead end career path that requires huge debt and effort for nothing in the end. What's the point in teaching kids at all if they can't earn a decent living when it's all said and done.
Sunil
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Matt
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I'm in this age group, and it doesn't really bother me.
But lets be real, it is unreasonable to expect North America to continut to sustain a vastly higher standard of living than the rest of the world.
I'd rather a slow somewhat stable transition over a generation with some time to adjust than a quick shock.
Student
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Sean
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At some point in my lifetime, something is going to give. A very common trend for these young people, saddled with debt and lower paying jobs, is to aquire things under more debt. Cars, gadgets, toys.. all paid with debt. This will either result in huge bankruptcy right-offs, or a generation maintaining debt (instead of savings) until they.. umm.. retire?
What is the promise of capitalism? Unlimited accumulation of wealth, passed from generation to generation? Look around.. are we better off than our parents? Are they better off than their parents?
This story tells you where the wealth is going.
But lets keep everything as is. I'm sure I'll be a movie star any day now.
quiet voice
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Baby boomers like me seem on the surface a scapegoat for your ills. Boomers felt their parents were an obstical to their future. Guess what we made it through. Some will say we screwed up a lot of things. That maybe so, but don't think that your generation is going to be any wiser or smarter. Life is for learning. Keep on learning and create your future however it will turn out.
John
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James McQueen
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Susan
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CF from Montreal
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High paying jobs are out there, just not for advanced basket weaving honour graduates. I mean a degree in sociology??? What did you think would happen???
Also an integral part of success is who you know, and how you swim in the corporate world. Networking and how you sell yourself go a long way. I increased my salary by 40% in two years. I have a good reputation, say the right things at the right time, made key impressions to decision makers. It isn't how hard you work that counts, it is how hard your superiors think you are working that does.
AR
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I'm fortunate for the money I make, but I worked hard to earn it. Do I have special connections? No. Am I anyone special? No.
So why are my friends, who have finished their degrees, only making $20k-30k a year?
To me, there's two main reasons why they get paid less:
1) So many students attend college and university with the wrong expectation that their diploma/degree will fetch them a high-paying job. Or at least a job. It won't.
2) Few students actually apply themselves outside of class. Employers don't care what you learned at University, they care about what you did outside of University while you attended (start your own business, etc?)
When I was in school, I started my own consulting business. I worked for clients all over North America. I worked hard to set myself a part from my classmates, and now it's paid off.
This dilemma will teach students that there's no easy ride in life. University and college are no exception -- you need to set yourself a part from the rest! A degree will not do that.
kate
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Did it ever occur to you that we saw how miserable you people were, wasting your lives working like dogs to make others rich while you neglected your families and didn't take the time to enjoy life? Look at the Scandanavian countries, they have all the 'free' stuff, they are well educated, well adjusted, aren't bigoted and uptight religous warmongers and seem to be happier people. Maybe we are sick of hearing about great life will be once you are dead - personally I believe once you're dead that's it, we only get once chance at life and I don't mind working hard but I'd like to enjoy my life at the same time - it's called balance. The only people who get to enjoy life are the rich, the rest of us are slaves to corporations and governments misled by the lie that we need to suffer now for a good afterlife - what a load of drivel.
norman
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Jamie
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Here was my strategy for success:
- I went to community college for two years and worked until I graduated top of class. I took a program that had all the benefits of a Fine Arts degree without the wasted two years' extra time.
- My community college education only cost approximately $13,000 overall.
- I actually worked at school to gain a skillset and did my own personal development on the side rather than expect it to be handed to me.
- I knew what I wanted to do with my life at a young age. More parents should be shaming their "poor little snowflakes" who don't know what to do with their life - it's just costing them their most valuable years.
- I didn't do the "backpack through Europe for a year" or worthless travel most young people do at my age. You won't find your life sleeping in a flea-ridden hostel in Germany, especially not on mommy and daddy's too-kind dime.
Parents, stop telling your kids to go to university. My parents were ashamed of my choice to go to community college because "university is the only real education."
How can you possibly waste 12 years of your life in university and not say to yourself, "I have done something terribly wrong"?
colin
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Tom
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Bell is a prime example of that. They farmed pretty much everything out and where jobs in the past were as much as $20 per hour they have been dropped in half. And even then the company as Bell has done still farms them out to India.
If you really wanted to stop the underemployment of the youth you would punish the companies that do this and boycott them. I know I have I don't shop or buy from any company that doesn't at least have all Canadian employees.
Becky
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Knowing what I know now I would have probably skipped university.
ME
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Examples:
In 1073 we bought a new truck--cost $3000--today $20,000+
Woman's hair cut in 1980-$7--today $25 or more. In 1972 we bought our house for $18,000--in 1980 our house was worth $30,000--today it would sell for $100,000 or more.
In 1980 we had good health care and never paid a cent--Today--good luck finding a doctor and we pay premiums on our income tax. Plus many tests are not covered by OHIP and have to be paid out of pocket.
Those are just a few of the things that I remember. I don't think goods and services are one iota cheaper. I feel for the young people starting out. Money was tight when we were in their shoes but we could still opt for one of us to stay home with the kids. Not so today.
Steve G
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My employer is still continually hiring and will be for the forseeable future-and I only have a two year diploma from a community college.
My point is, while I agree there are fewer quality jobs available-they are there-you just have to look harder to find them.
One thing though, if you are just entering the workforce,are wondering why there is a shortage of good jobs, and own an imported vehicle like a Hyundai or a Kia which have no investments in Canada, you have just answered your own question.
Taking chances
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Well Off Grad
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I finished my 3 year Advanced Diploma from a local College and easily found a job before I even graduated.
I now make $66K and I'm not yet 23 years old.
The jobs are there, companies are hiring. The problem is people don't know where to look. There is an apparent disconnect between the employers and potential employees. Pretty much everyone I considers a job search applying to anything they can find online.
I'll tell you one thing, if you want a job, go talk to people in the workforce. Find the managers and talk to them about normal people stuff.
I never got a job showcasing my skills. I like to talk sports and family during interviews. Everybody has skills, don't think you're special 'cause you have a degree.
Jason.
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Canadian citizen
Speak English or French
High school diploma
Valid DL
Want to work anywhere in Canada
After 3 years you will earn $72125.00. So ask me if I feel for those complaining because there are jobs out there where you don't need the 2-3 BA and all the rest of the paper diplomas...
Shitzpa
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The only point that I am trying to make is that these stuffed shirts out there in the executive jobs don't know JACK! Don't look for their handouts - they are just hiring the "selected" few that are connected. Start something yourself and show some spunk!
You can make a much better living worker harder and smarter then these corporate monkeys. They just want to leave at 5:30 and dream of starting their own thing one day.
Tired of being under employed
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ertw
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There is absolutely no reason for anyone to graduate with such a huge loan, unless you were lazy and didn't want to work a little. There's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to find a job in Canada, unless you haven't accumulated any marketable skills during your entire lifetime.
Every time I read about Canada's job market, it's losing a lot of no-skill manufacturing jobs, but adding many more high paying jobs that require at least some skills. There's no secret to achieving success in this world, work hard and smart. It's a shame more people don't see it and waste years pursuing their 'destiny' and get degrees in literature, arts etc. It is however reassuring to know that I'm competing for jobs in this world against you lazy-poor-decision making people.
ginbin
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I was a high school drop out (pregnant) in Gr. 11 in the business track when I wanted nrsg. but told I wasn't "smart enough". 10yrs later, single parent w/ 2 kids, went back to college to get that nrsg diploma (RN) because I needed a better salary. I was lucky- besides student loans, I got grants but the loans I had to pay back. On graduating (guess I was smart enough), no jobs in Ont. so moved to Alberta, kids, dog, & all with the aid of the gov'mt. (Check out income tax laws folks, do research & stop whinning). Eventually moved back to Ont. & continued educ. part-time, while working full-time & now have a MScN. NO student debt as I paid my way. Plus my salary went up, as were the positions I applied for. I would have gone anywhere to support myself & kids. I don't see that drive in people on this forum. Life is what u make it.
BROOKE
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