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Date: Thu. May. 1 2008 11:33 AM ET

Extra years in school aren't paying off financially for many of Canada's young people, who are better educated but worse paid than people their age a generation ago.

According to census data released Thursday by Statistics Canada, workers between the ages of 25 and 29 make less than their predecessors, especially men.

In 1980, median earnings for full-time male workers in that age group were equal to $43,767 in today's wages. In 2000, they had dropped to $38,110 and by 2005 they were at $37,680.

While women have statistically always earned less than men, their drop in wages was notably less drastic. In 1980, women aged 25 to 29 made $32,813 in inflation-adjusted dollars. In 2005 they earned just slightly less, $32,104, according to the report, titled "Earnings and Incomes of Canadians over the Past Quarter Century, 2006 Census."

The trend toward reducing wages for young men began in developed countries around the world in the early 1980s, according to StatsCan analyst Rene Morissette. At that time, economists believed new technology was replacing young workers, he told The Canadian Press.

Around the same time, some companies began to offer new workers lower wages than senior employees in order to reduce costs while maintaining morale among senior staff, he said.

More service jobs

These days, young people are staying in school longer and men are less likely to find full-time work once they finish, unless they work in the trades.

Another factor in lower incomes is the expanded service industry, which usually pays less than other sectors such as manufacturing. Morissette suggested increased employment in service is responsible for about 15 per cent of the decline in young people's wages.

Reduced wages for young people means that by the time they reach 30 or 35, most have significantly lower savings than their parents did at the same time.

While young people were the hardest hit group of respondents, they weren't the only ones suffering from a downturn in financial fortunes.

Middle class treading water

Thursday's report stated lower-income people are making less money than ever while the rich get richer. Middle-class people are treading water, still making close to the same amount of money they were 30 years ago.

Between 1980 and 2005, median earnings:

  • increased by 16.4 per cent for the top 20 per cent of full time workers
  • increased only 0.1 per cent for those in the middle 20 per cent
  • fell 20.6 per cent for those in the bottom fifth

Workers today make a mere $53 more annually than in 1980, when adjusted for inflation, the census states.

"People are pedalling harder than ever," the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives' Armine Yalnizyan told CTV's Canada AM on Thursday. "Women are really the big news story in preventing the middle class from collapse."

As income rises for the upper class, housing prices tend to be draw upwards as well, making it ever more difficult for lower-income people to own homes, she said.

The combination of rising housing costs and lower income affects young families and new immigrants the most, she said.

"The gap between Canadian born (people) and immigrants is growing," she said. "They're doing worse off than similar types of immigrants in the 1980s."

If stagnation for the middle class and reduced fortunes for those in the bottom bracket is the norm despite the booming economy, we're looking at a rough future, said Yalnizyan.

"The economy hasn't performed like this in 50 years. This is as good as it gets."

With files from The Canadian Press

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Shamaro
said

There is a trend sweeping North America where those good paying jobs or high paying jobs are becoming less and less available. Many companies now are turning to contract workers instead of hiring them on full time, which relieves the company of alot of the burdens of paying out WSIB premiums, pay roll taxes, etc. etc. What use to pay $50k a year is now likely to pay between $40-$45k, plus benefits are being slashed to reduce the overall cost of an employee working for a company. If you look what is happening in the US, just as an example, a company known as American Axle is demanding it's employee's slash their salaries from $28per/hr to $14per/hr which has resulted in a 2.5 month strike that is still going on. As the CEO's take huge wage increases along with the board and with the shrinking profit margins, you can expect more of the same for the years to come.


hgkash
said

"You find yourself in a bit of a catch-22,''
"You need to work in order to pay off your student loan but often you just take jobs just to have money that don't pay you as well as it could if you had time to search.''


Mollly
said

I am a 29 year old Canadian who lives & works overseas. I was not able to secure a good paying job after leaving university many years ago and couldn't afford to scrap by after paying my student loans. I am one of the lucky ones that took the option to leave and seek better employment opportunities overseas. I feel bad for those who do not have the same option. When I left university the news was all about the "brain drain" to other countries. I wish there were good jobs in Canada so I could have stayed. I miss my family and friends. I miss Canada and hope one day to return one day for good.


Robin da Hood
said

So much for the promise of capitalism and globalization!.. evidence that the standard of living is falling in Canada and the rich-poor gap is growing. Also this is the result of the baby boom generation's selfish attitude when it comes to passing on the problems and the bill to the next generation,.. aka the national debt and climate change as examples. I can't blame young people when they complain.. I can only advise that they don't get hung up with the stupi dity of their predecessors and to get on making the best of things. In Europe, where American style, "in you face" capitalism has been mostly rejected and where social and worker movements have more influence, the trend described exists but is no where near as bad. When will people here finally say enough is enough? I suspect not as long as we continue to buy into the right wing economic propaganda of the govt. and the wealthy. Pathetic and Sad.



yoyoma
said

While this may all be true, the price of goods and services comparatively is less now than then.


Walter
said

As a young professional (28) I feel there is a disconnect between older management and what is required to support a professionals student debts while still providing a reasonable standard of living. There seems to be some mindset which says 'I made 30k/y when I started working in the 60's-70's, so you should make 30k too'

I am often confronted with disbelief that a professional degree can saddle someone with $75k in debt at 8-9% interest. That is a mortgage payment in another name.

These large student debt loads coupled with inflationary pressure has really done a good job at keeping the 'yuppy'a slave to which ever paycheque they can find.

As a semi-related opinion; I have very little sympathy for people with some general degree, Ba's Bc's etc who now have the debt but no skills. The whole purpose of taking on a student debt is to get skills that are valuable. Not to be qualified to work in some cube-farm completing work that was performed by high-school drop-outs a generation prior.




Don
said

Baby boomers have had the gravy all the way through. They are the largest concentratiion of the population so I guess it's to be expected but it sucks if you're not one of them. The whole trend toward health care is again related to ageing baby boomers so if your young and wonder where the next big employment surge will be, now you know. Because the working population iws shinking, there's less money to go around so we'll need to contend with that but atleast some will inherit what's left eventually.


David #1
said

Those high paying manufacturing jobs or should I say "secure" jobs all went to communist China thanks to corporate greed.

Now you "Canadians" take all your money from your low-paying job and spend it at Walmart where you buy all those Chinese products made at companies that you used to work for. China's economy is booming thanks in large part to people like you.

Ah..the reality of globalization and free-trade. Here's an interesting idea...how about we change the word "free" to "fair"-trade. Maybe communist China can go educate itself on what that means and act accordingly.


Mike
said

What's also true is that, because you can't get a decent job without at least SOME post-secondary education, it also means that those entering the workforce are already financially 'behind' because of student loans, etc. Unfortunately, this has a ripple effect, as those same student loans factor into the credit required for every other major purchase - car, house, etc.


Roger T
said

That's because most of the newer generation kids are not well educated and have become more lazy than their parents generations. Everything is made so easy for them so there is no need to struggle for anything, which haven't tuaght them survival skills.

Now a days, kids expect more from their parents while living under their roof!


Paul
said

Post-Secondary degrees mean something, but only the ones that give you specific employable skill sets. Geology, Engineering, Nursing, Geophysics, Accounting, Skilled Trades from Colleges, IT degrees from technical institutes. All these degrees usually offer good jobs immediately. It's the degrees without specific job focus that offer little values at the bachelor level. Sociology, Communications, History, English Literature etc.. People who choose those paths must recognize that there are limited jobs, high levels of competition for those jobs, and usually higher levels of education required.

There are lots of obscure jobs that people don't even think about that are desparate for people. Technicians for specialized medical equipment like MRI's come to mind. Young people need to be told what opportunities for work are out there, and then they need to get degrees to help them get those jobs. Picking a topic in school because you like it rarely is the path to financial success.


David
said

A huge problem is so-called experts trying to advise young people where the jobs are. Kids were told "Get a university education if you want a high paying job". Maybe 40 years ago, but not now. The universities are cranking out huge numbers of humanities/arts grads and there are no humanities/arts jobs. 4 years ago I remember reading of the looming shortage of teachers. It never materialized. Now those teacher grads can't find work. We need employment-specific education, and student loans should be capped based on the students earning potential in their field. How can students with $50K student loans pay them back if their career path is toward jobs which pay less than $40K? It is also very difficult for apprentices to get into the regulated trades. The companies don't want to train and the unions are blocking trainees to keep demand for labour artificially high. All part of an economy in transition.


Brian
said

Low salaries are the result of our incredible disregard for the "true cost" of the products & services we purchase. People want everything for $0.99, failing to see that to obtain the raw materials, process them, manufacture, distribute, market & sell something at that price means that somewhere along the way, somebody gets screwed. Did you see any Walmarts around in the 1970's? We all scream & yell for competition....well here is is folks....fight for your high paying jobs!


Jane
said

This trend is not at all surprising considering how much more of the population completes post-secondary education. The job markets are becoming flooded with young people with post-secondary training thus making it a expectation of employers to have such training. This forces the trend towards "You want more money, you need more training" and so the cycle goes. This is what is so frustrating about all the youth screaming about access to post-secondary education. If they'd stop and think for 5 seconds they'd realize that if everyone had post-secondary training then the playing field would be leveled. The purpose of higher education is better jobs and with that more pay. Most of the population has a high school diploma but the jobs you can get with only a high school diploma don't pay very well. Thus the drive for higher education. Saturating the market with a highly educated workforce will drive wages down. So, to you students whining about having to EARN your post-secondary education-take a look at the trend in todays market of having more educated people competing for fewer jobs and ask yourself if you think universal access is really worth it.


Phil
said

It's hard to know where this will lead. At some point Boomers will be out of the work force. There will be a glut of jobs and very few people to fill them. Immigration is seen as an answer by Government and we see the changes being put forward now to solve the problem of worker shortage. But this is designed to benefit employers. One would hope that supply and demand will work in favour of young people and that employees will be able to demand higher wages and benfits for their services because of the shortage of available workers. Don't be too tough on the Boomers. There is going to be an incredible transfer of wealth in the next ten years. Young folks should do very well.


DL
said

I am 33, have 2 BA degrees with Honours, speek 3 languages (Francais, Enlish, and Russian), and I earn a mere $10.50/h because I cannot get a better paying job without a Mater's Degree, they simple will not hire! A BA today is worth little more than a highschool diploma. Retirement, pention, savings... these things don't exist for my generation. I see my future... I will probably be homeless in my old age.


Frank Buchan
said

Probably the largest problem faced by young workers is an ever-increasing tax burden, from inappropriate consumption taxes on necessities (GST on heating oil, for example), to income tax levels that defy logic in terms of the total services delivered to them. They have to pay for the retiring boomers as their health care costs zoom up and their incomes decline accordingly. It's not sustainable, especially given that these younger workers face a labour market that devalues even higher education thanks to globalisation. Sadly, I don't think we ever developed a government mentality in this country to avert a financial crush for these people, and our politicians will play games until they destroy the country structurally.

Note that I'm not calling out the boomers here, as every generation alive today is generally equally entitled and wasteful, just observing that statistically we have an overwhelming number of folks headed toward retirement and an ever-shrinking base of taxpayers coming along more slowly behind them.

Also, as a stray thought, consider that no matter how we try to protect our "social safety net" we are going to have to change our expectations, either intentionally or in reaction to a financial imperative. Too bad we haven't the will to take care of ourselves.


JT
said

I am a 27 year old with 2 degrees and what started out as about $20K in students loans. I lucked out, got a job in my field and have been there for 3 years...thing is, I still get paid pretty badly. My husband went to college, got a 2 yr diploma, no debt, and makes nearly double what I do...its really frustrating. I know the potential for me to make much more is there, (my bosses make at least double my hubby's salary), but I don't know how long this will take


31 Delta
said

There are many good paying jobs out there. However, many of the young adults today coming into the professional world tend to balk at taking up a skilled trade. Many go to University and get a degree and then end up having a mountain of debt because of student loans. Skilled trade jobs are becoming more and more vacant, because less and less people wish to pursue them. Electricians, Plumbers, Tool & Die etc. are all lacking people to fill those job vacancies, but with so many graduating with their degree's in much of the same field, it allows the employers in all of these big corperations have their pick of the litter, plus set the standaqrd at which to pay them. It's not all bad out there kids, there is some good jobs left to be filled


Mark - Student
said

I am a member of the educated population. I'm 23, and will be graduating shortly with $40k in debt. I am completing a Social Work degree, and I don't see it as a useless field, but maybe the organizations that hire me do. Looking at the salaries for Social Workers, I see can range from $30k-60k. That is not really much if you think about the student debt, the eventual purchase of a house and a car.

And "Roger T", I resent the fact that we are just taking from our parents and that we're lazy. Did you ever think that all the baby boomers are putting a strain on our entire system (healthcare, CPP/QPP, corporate pensions, etc)? Thanks to all the baby boomers, I am getting screwed. I will have to pay taxes and more taxes to pay for your benefits, and I won't get much. With the rising costs of everything, I'm going to be in the poor-house.

I only hope I can find a decent paying job in my desired field to pay off my debts and hopefully live a half-decent life, because I know I won't be living like my parents did.


DWB
said

Welcome to the 21st century.

Now citizens in developed countries like Canada have to compete not only internally but also globally. In the new information age where technology is portable, protectionism - of the government and the coersive union kinds - no longer work. It may have been difficult for a corporation to quickly move a factory to another place when the business environment became unfavourable, but now it is technology not industrial plant that's the engine of wealth.

If young people want good paying jobs, they need to be better educated and/or more productive than their competitors elsewhere in the world. The pervasive attitudes inherited from 1960's counter-culture that told our youth that they could party their lives away without consequences will now be condemned to the garbage can of history where it belongs.


Kevin L
said

The Canadian Forces Royal Military College will give you a university education and pay you a salary while at there school. When you complete your terms of service you've got an education, experience and no debt.



Katie
said

I am a former university graduate who is returning to college in the Fall. I can speak from experience that well-paying jobs are very hard to find, especially when you don't live in a big city. One thing that I think is extremely important is having career direction. I was left basically on my own to decide on a career and that is why I maybe didn't make the best decision the first time around. Just now, several years out of high school, I am undertaking the training I probably should have done in the first place. In about 3 years, I will finally have a good job. There is value to any post-secondary education, but not all education is practical.


truthseeker
said

We need to reform our immigration. 85% of our immigrants are currently coming from the third world. Even if the third world immigrant is well educated, that person is still coming from a country where 50 cents an hour is the going rate. When they come here they will gladly except a job making $10/hr when a Canadian born citizen would only do for $20/hr. The undercut of wages occurs and standard of living goes down. That is from our legal immigration, imagine what all the illegal immigration is doing to our standard of living as well. Our immigration policy only benefits the banks and corporations, not Canadian citizens. Why is our government so anti-family?! Why not give money incentives to adult couples who want to start a family?! That would solve the population decline, and we wouldn't be putting Canada's security at risk.


Doug BC
said

Ah.Good idea.We can blame the boomers,or capitalism.I have to concede that the issue is very likely to complex for most of us to fully understand,but I douby there is ne single factor.
After all,all that the boomers did was build the roads,the schools,the power projects,hospitals,and on and on.And,unless my re-collection of history is faulty,it was the 1970's when Canada started accumulating debt.That was a mistake.But oddly it seems like the boomers are the only ones interested in paying it off.Many young people today advocate for things like "free" educations or "free transit,or "free" child care,etc,etc.There is NO FREE.Just taxes that make someone else pay.
Also,there seems to be a reluctance for young people to go into "skilled trades".There are thousands of jobs vacant in those fields.In the case of one family,one thing remains true.The father working as an air traffic controller,and the mother as a nurse wll provide a very nice family income.And why it surprises anyone that a "sociology" degree doesn't assure a good income,is beyond me.
This is a relatively free society,and we do have choices.But if you want to earn more money,your choice as to how to educate yourself is the key.
We can't all be professional managers or social engineers.And non skilled labour will be shipped to low wage countries. Sadly.Free trade is not always fair trade.


GP
said

So where did all that money go. We know there is a lot more of it around now.

It isn't in the public sector. Public employees are not the high paying jobs of 20 years ago, but...

Corporate profits/greed are up a staggering amount. I got it, maybe large business has decided they don't need a middle class. They just need “resources” not people. Lots of resources in China.


Vanessa
said

Bachelor degrees are now merely a stepping stone to higher education. I graduated last year with an Honours Bachelor of Science and am now completing a Masters degree in Kinesiology. When looking for jobs (even summer), all companies seem to be looking for is 2-3 years of experience- kind of hard to attain when you have been working hard at the books in the hopes that your DEGREE will be enough. Although it might make completing your degree longer, doing a co-op during an undergraduate degree is probably one of the best decisions to make- it allows one to gain experience & some kind of an income.


Been there, done that
said

Standards aren't falling today. Young people are just greedier! Young people today want brand new houses, with hard wood floors and granite countertops. And they can't accept that those things cost money, and they have to wait if they want that kind of material good.

My spouse and I graduated in the 1980s when jobs were scarce and student loan interest was 14%!!! We had lousy, low-paying jobs, but we saved our pennies, had a SMALL wedding (not the lavish nonsence of today)bought a SMALL run-down house, survived without a microwave, vcr, cell phone or ipod (and, horror of horrors, we used cloth diapers on the kids!!!) and over the years, life got better.

A lot of young people don't want to start at the bottom and don't want to work hard. And they blow a boatload of money on cell phone bills. That's why they have less than their parents!

It's not the econony, it's the people.




zac
said

DL, I have two BAs, one BSc, one MA.
An MA does not get you a job. It gets you the opportunity to apply for jobs that you won't get unless you've got a connection. Hiring is not done on the basis of what you know but whom you know.

If employers don't want graduates with degrees in Humanities et al., why do universities such as the University of Waterloo keep bragging that their Arts grads are more in demand than their Science grads, with a higher employment rate after two years from graduation.

There is a lot of lying going on because the system bosses don't want the slaves to catch on.
Society is run for people who own, not for people willing and able to work.






pp
said

Well if these youngsters would stop getting degrees in such useless things as Philosophy and English Lit and took a reality pill and got a 'Real Education' in the real world then they would not be stuck with high education loans and low paying jobs...

I know of many a person with a PHD in Philosophy working at Timmies - remember what PHD really stands for - 'Piled Higher and Deeper'.... :)

Someone needs to tell these kids to get jobs in the trades where they can earn real money.


ted
said

I see some whining here from those that got degrees in various humanities/arts degrees and can't get a decent paying job. Why didn't you consider the finished product before starting down that road? A person's whole life is dependant on that degree so why wasn't a lot of time and research put into determining what avenue to take?

A degree is not a prereq for a decent salary. Two or three years in a college for technical or technology certs are usually doing just fine. Those that got degrees in commerce, engineering, systems and business are usually doing just fine.

Secondly, a 75k debt in student loans for an undergrad degree is simply nuts. Why weren't you working in the summer and the rest of the year? What the heck did you think university was? A holiday of some kind? My wife worked at 3 different part-time jobs while working on her undergrad degree and graduated debt-free. I was lucky. I worked for a year after high-school to add to my university fund, so I only needed one part-time job and summer employment to graduate debt free.

Since when were starting salaries dependant on the new employees debt load? All lot of this sounds like the generation that wants rather than wants to learn and earn. Salaries come with time and experience. Certificates are only a foot in the door.




Kathleen
said

I'm 44. I have 12 years University (am highly educated in the environment field), have 15+ years in management, was born in Canada, and my present salary is about the same as I was making as an advertising agent (that didn't require education) back in the early 1980's (and thats not adjusting for inflation) and I now have a $60K + student loan to pay off (that I can't at my present salary), and I have absolutely no savings. So what is fueling this whole "paying less, making more for the big corporations shareholders" attitude? The financial institutions demand so much more of companies now than they used to. If you don't make 35% profit in a year you get thrown to the bottom of the pile and don't get any respect; service fees are higher, loan interest is higher, etc. Maybe we should be policing (putting it to law) how the financial institutions treat small and medium sized enterprise and then see how the trickle down effect then trickles into proper treatment of the companies and eventually into decent salaries for the workers.


Chris
said

Please don't take this as recruiting propaganda, this is just personal experience:

It's a shame that our young people don't consider a career in the Military. We have countless amount of career opportunities, including education opportunities at no cost (and you get paid)!!!

I'm in the communciations trade and make $65K a year gross. My education and training didn't cost me a dime, plus I earn extra money for operational duties, paid vacations, and a great pension.

For all you young people suffering from the student loan crunch, join the military in your field of education, and you will get the experience and funds to help you.




Jeff Langille
said

When will our government and the Canadian people realize the importance of the youth in our society? How is it that we can expect them to have hope for a future where they will work harder and get paid less than their parents. This is quite troubling, and I hope that together our people will let our political leaders know that this is not acceptable!


Stephen
said

If I had dropped out of high school in the 80”s I could have found work with GM or Ontario Hydro and made $100,000 a year. Instead I went to University and now I only make $60,000 per year. What is wrong with this country????? How about we cut out those wasteful government programs and reduce taxes. That way I will not need to make more than I already do


Air Force Tech
said

Join the Air Force as an aviation technician! As a 4 year Cpl (8 years total time served) your gross annual pay is now just a touch over $60K. And you get medical, dental and vision benefits and after 25 years you get a 50% pension.


JDW
said

This affects a much larger age group that the upto 29 crowd. I am in the process of starting over and having to resort to an entry level position once again at 34 at 7 years at one firm. This has happened three times to me. Yet my loan payements are increasing along with the rest of the cost of living. The latest one hit me so hard I had to sell my home, and car. Not to mention the shear despair I am currently in.


eric
said

I think the whole educational system needs to be reformed. As a university teacher, I found that more and more young people had tried to get a university degree without doing the hard and dirt assignments. For example, many of them try to avoid to take math or statistics courses. Math and computer skills will help people to find better employment.


.Net Guru
said

I'm a 36 yr old IT professional and I agree; the good paying jobs are hard to find - but they're out there. I just landed a good promotion but, had to change companies to do so.

I feel for those just coming out of University and trying to land that 1st job. It seems harder and harder to do and may require moving to do so.


Mickey
said

Young people are also far more financially dependent on mom and dad well into adulthood. I suspect this will have an impact on this generation's parents ability to retire, which will in turn effect employment opportunities for younger people.


Pat
said

Well, here we go again... I disagree with a lot of comments here today but one thing I do know first hand.. I am a mother and a grandmother, and all I see is young people working VERY hard, trying to get educations, trying to find good jobs and working hard at low-paying jobs.. That is why so many have to live with parents.. NOT because they are lazy.. but because they can't pay high rents with low wages.. this is reality folk! Until someone changes the status out there.. this will be the norm .. and yes, many working on contracts.. so the greedy companies don't have to pay sick benefits.. it is a shame to our country!


Tony The Underemployed Computer Guy
said

This is to Walter above:

Your points are largely reasonable, but I disagree with your opinion that someone shouldn't garner sympathy if they got a general B.Sc. instead of a job-ready diploma.

I graduated with an Honours B.Sc. in computer science some years ago. One astounding fact I learned in my studies was about certain types of computer scientists called "Knowledge Engineers" It seems the very best Knowledge Engineers tend to be liberal arts and humanities grads, not computer grads, not even computer P.HDs! My point is that a general B.Sc. is verifiably a job-ready degree; who knows better than the free market?


MJM
said

We keep focusing on income - In my work I have held jobs where I earned $35,000/year, $50,000 year and $75,000/year. At no time did I spend any more than $20,000 to live (in a major city by the way). The rest I put into savings and investments so I could purchase long-term stablility (such as a house - which I did when interest rates were through the roof, but I paid off the mortagage quicker). The message is simple - except for the very, very poor, (and which there really are few in this country given all the subsidies etc.) - you can still live within your means and income only becomes a yardstick to measure yourself against others - and that is a poor measure. People confuse need with want and then assume that they are somehow 'behind' because of it - very few people need a cellphone, a new car every year, a two-week vacation in Mexico, a plasma tv, dinners out two or three times a week. For those who are condeming employers for reducing salaries - guess what? Salary is a reflective of the worth/value of the job - if there is a shortage of people to do a high valued job - salaries will increase - if not salaries will stay the same or maybe even fall over time.


GW
said

The problem is unregulated capitalism which is much worse in the U.S. than here. Like it or not our culture is seriously influenced by our big brother to the south and they are in the early stages of a corruption melt down. Currently Canada has a much better balance of socialist/capitalist policy but we’re going to need to be very careful not to fall into the same mess the U.S. currently finds itself in.

I don’t believe in pure socialism like the NDP would have but I do believe a serious amount of government control is quite necessary for long term stability and prosperity. U.S. big business demonizes socialist policy for the sake of shareholder profit with little concern for the counties long term well being. It’s not that capitalism is evil but it does need to be regulated. Human weaknesses such as greed and selfishness tend to get out of control if not regulated either internally with some kind of self discipline or externally as with government policy.



Ontarian
said

I think the problem with today's generation is they take TOO much time in school and rack up too much debt.

I took two years in technical school, then made pretty good money in my profession until I decided to stay at home with my children. My husband went straight to police college out of high school and now makes close to 100K per year. Neither one of us had any school debt to pay.

Today's generation spends too much time trying to figure out what to do and spending money on the education every time they change their minds.


Jim
said

I am a tradesperson (automotive) and my wage has doubled in the last 8 years. There are virtually no qualified people to fill the spaces that are open now, and very few young people seem to be considering the trades as a career option.

My father told me long ago..."get a trade and you will never go hungry"...he was right.

This year I should crack six figures. Life is good!


Linda T
said

Another thing to look at is 30-40 years ago, a man could go to work and support his family of 6 or 8 on one income. Now that it takes 2 incomes to support a family, the average family size is 2-3 kids (ie. upcoming taxpayers). The number of newer is definitely not replacing the older - so you will not have as many people paying the taxes that the gov't is used to getting. How else are they going to maintain their standards??? you guessed it, raise the taxes. And I do agree that we live in a "have" world. We live on credit because we want it now, max out, and then wonder what happened. Sorry, but an income under $30,000 cannot really afford that $150,000 home. People have to learn to live within their means.


CAB
said

Has everyone missed the fact that CEO's, CAO's, Executive Directors, Senior Managers, politicians and Board Of Director's have seen massive increases in income or bonus levels? And this is for private and Public corporations, which means these are our taxes they are giving themselves. There is something terribly wrong with situations where they increase their own salaries to such unacceptable levels, and there is no accountabilty. And often these same managers don't have the education that they will require of new employees. Have you seen the list of publicly funded private organizations in Ontario, and the basic salaries of their senior managers? I am of the generation sandwiched between the boomers and those entering the workforce, and I have to agree, the Boomers have sure left us a lot of troubles as they enjoy their early retirement perks; those great salaries they had they also eliminated for future generations. It does seem to have been a very selfish generation, and continues to be...


BC WetCoaster
said

There you go Canadians, you now know the true effects of globalization, Walmart, and out-sourcing.

Expect more of this as you continue to feed the global economy machine.


D.M.
said

Want a high paying job? Don't go to university, go to community college. If you're even smarter, do both, it's the new edge.

The BA is not what it used to be folks. Employers want to know what you can do for them, not how educated you are.

A BA in history, philosophy, english lit., communications, etc. is great for your education (education is important), but it's delusional to think these degrees will give you the job skills you need to thrive in the 21st century workplace. Learn a unique skill or something that is in demand and you'll have no problem getting the big bucks.

I picked up two BAs and both had little market potential. I corrected it by spending two years in community college and boom, job problem solved.

Times have changed. Skills are in, degrees are out. Either adapt to the new reality or look forward to an exciting future as a sandwich artist or telemarketer.


Trent
said

As already posted by someone having a BA saying that it was essentially useless, there are too many degree programs people can take that they will have little or no hope to land a good paying job with as the student has learned no job skills from them. These students have to be realistic when looking at these programs or councellors have to tell them the dirty truth that taking this path will result in a large debt and no job prospects.
I do agree that many professions also look at new unniversity graduates as a source of 'slave' labour and don't adequately renumerate them. My example is a bit old but at the turn of the century when I entered the job market with a bachelor of commerce and was pursuing a career as a Chartered Accountant, firms were paying new students $22,000-24,000/year. How can a young professional living in a major city (most CA firms are located there) afford to live and repay their debts with that wage? Many jumped ship and headed into industry where you could double your starting salary.


Gail
said

A lot of the problem today is "attitude". If you think you won't get a great job with great pay, guess what? Because people use technology more and personal networking less, they create their own brick walls. While having a great education is not reason enough to get the job you desire, you need to have a "passion" for what you want to do and create and seek out ways to reach your goal. Too many give up because they don't know how to scale that brick wall, go around it, or go under it to get the results they want. Working for someone else doesn't always pay as well as working for yourself. When you answer "want ads" you're competing against everyone else and need to make sure your entry stands out from the crowd. Research your industry of choice and talk to those at the highest levels. Human Resources should not be your first level of contact. It should be the decision-makers who know what they need and tell HR to find the right candidate. And, remember, attitude is everything no matter what career you choose.


Robin the Hood
said

Keep in mind that a university is an institution of higher learning.. not necessarily one of a higher salary. Young people aiming for a degree should keep in mind that only certain areas are more directly applicable to the job demand in the real world - math and engineering for example - and even within those disciplines its really the local market that will determine demand for the skills leant at any one time. A chemical engineer graduating today would almost be guaranteed a high paying job out West whereas if they graduated in the 1990s, when commodity and oil prices were depressed, they would have had a terrible time finding a job in Canada (I know two who did). The exact reverse applied to industrial engineers with all the manufacturing disappearing. So its really a question of timing and what degree. Unfortunately the article utterly fails to communicate that fact.
What the article does reveal well is how, on the average, this country has been failing it younger generations which is an absolute scandal in my opinion. Politicians and other power brokers need to be held - yes even legally - to account for this deplorable situation.



Recent graduate
said

Of course... all the good paying jobs are still being held by the soon-to-be-retired. It is harder and takes longer for young profesionals to get the training and the experience they need in order to access the higher paying jobs. In the mean time, people on the verge of retirement are not doing any knowledge transfer to their counterparts while being privileged enough to attend all types of seminars and training opportunities.

Why are people here saying that youngsters are all taking useless degrees? I have a degree in Computer Systems Engineering and I'm faced with the same problems (and I work with a bunch of people who have irrelevant degrees for this field of work, so that's not an excuse for not finding a job). I can't really afford a car or a house, I have a reasonable amount of student loans to pay off (less than 15K left) and I've run out of tuition credits for my taxes, which means I have to give the government a chunk of money every April.

Most companies have moved to HR firms for employees, who end up taking 10-20% of your salary... also, all these jobs come in as contracts, which means no benefits to the employee. All I'm looking for is a job that will offer me health coverage but they're asking me to take a 15K$ drop in salary to get it... lining me up pretty much with a McDonald's employee in terms of salary.


Carolina
said

I'm a boomer, but what about passion for what you do, then finding a way to get paid for it? I was going to be a teacher in the late '70's, but got re-directed to develop my career around my favourite hobby. I've learned so much, and taught others too. Don't just plan on a paycheque, do what you love and find a way to get paid for it! That passion that drives you, will help you to excel no matter what your age or education. My career is more viable now that I'm 51, then when I was 35.


Miscouche Mike
said

What bothers me most is the frequency of job listings in the $8-10/hr range. Add to that, many of those jobs require extensive physical involvement, excellent customer-relations skills, excellent time-management, exceptional ability to work under pressure, or any number of other demands that deserve better than compensation at less than poverty-level wages for full-time application.
University is being hyped far more than it should be. Trades training is post-secondary as well, and there is no guarantee of sufficiently paid jobs there either.
Both of them are taking up the slack from a public school system that is more concerned with providing a Warm 'n Fuzzy social experience than a knowledge and skills-based outcome.
We have done it to ourselves, yes, but it doesn't help that our governments are comprised of members who receive salaries and benefits that the majority of voters can only enjoy in dreams, or that the investment community is driving the decisions that maintain the income gaps that exist in our economy.
You want change? Make it, and face the challenges of your decisions, because no one else is responsible for getting you what you want.


LK
said

I have seen a number of comments saying the high paying jobs are in the trades. I am a flooring installer. A very labour intensive trade. A flooring installer is lucky if he can do this job for 25 years, and after that he is lucky if he can still work becaus his body is shot. And what do I get for all this. 15 an hour. Plus I have to buy my own tools which are not cheap and I have to supply the company with with a vehicle with 0 compensation. Buy the way an apprentice started at an average of 18/hr 20 years ago.


Sean
said

My intent as far as contributing to this conversation is not to rant about my situation, but I must address it so you can understand where my point of view comes from. I graduated in 1979 and did not go to College. I went straight out and got a job. For the past 25 years I have mostly been in the computer industry, which required much education to stay current including 2 years of full time college at 37 years of age. I have been unemployed and underemployed much of my career because those "great technology jobs" were just never a reality. With so much emphasis placed on education why are the high schools not teaching realistic courses in real life jobs. Teach the kids a lot more about trades.
I also believe that a mandatory high school course should be a detailed look at all the career choices out there for kids. Let them truly understand and learn what choices are available to them before they start down the path to an English Lit degree or some other dead end career path that requires huge debt and effort for nothing in the end. What's the point in teaching kids at all if they can't earn a decent living when it's all said and done.


Sunil
said

I am 28 yrs old and my wife and I both make above, above average salaries. We were blessed with opportunity, education and living at home through our unversity process. But I see my peers who make MUCH (50-60K) less than me and they drive new cars, have cell phones, high speed internet and WASTE their money spending $11/lunch for a subway trio. Education does not go as far as it did....but our younger generation is in debt frenzy and they live WAY beyond their means. Example: I drive a 2004 Civic, and make three times what my friends make......and they are driving brand new vehicles.


Matt
said

Good!

I'm in this age group, and it doesn't really bother me.

But lets be real, it is unreasonable to expect North America to continut to sustain a vastly higher standard of living than the rest of the world.

I'd rather a slow somewhat stable transition over a generation with some time to adjust than a quick shock.


Student
said

I'm currently completing a double major in History/Anthropology. When older people ask what I'm doing I always get the "oh, so what are you going to do with that?" response. Which is really code for "what a waste of money, you should really get 'practical' degree." Just what constitutes as a practical degree. I think what a lot of you don't realize is that even with a science, or management/business degree, you aren't guaranteed a better job, compared to someone like me. How practical is a degree in Geophysics? There are no rules when it comes to the job market after school, and I could just as easily take someone's job who has been trained in Business. When people shoot down the Humanities and Arts it's just out of ignorance, because they think people like me are just trained to read books all day, and not apply it to anything else (like today's politics, the economy, etc.). Maybe a little off-topic, but I had to add it in.


Sean
said

The last paragraph of this story is most important: This IS as good as it gets, and even still, we're in a worrying downward trend.

At some point in my lifetime, something is going to give. A very common trend for these young people, saddled with debt and lower paying jobs, is to aquire things under more debt. Cars, gadgets, toys.. all paid with debt. This will either result in huge bankruptcy right-offs, or a generation maintaining debt (instead of savings) until they.. umm.. retire?

What is the promise of capitalism? Unlimited accumulation of wealth, passed from generation to generation? Look around.. are we better off than our parents? Are they better off than their parents?
This story tells you where the wealth is going.

But lets keep everything as is. I'm sure I'll be a movie star any day now.


quiet voice
said

Young people don't fret, your time will come. The essential thing is to be prepared for when opportunity comes knocking.
Baby boomers like me seem on the surface a scapegoat for your ills. Boomers felt their parents were an obstical to their future. Guess what we made it through. Some will say we screwed up a lot of things. That maybe so, but don't think that your generation is going to be any wiser or smarter. Life is for learning. Keep on learning and create your future however it will turn out.


John
said

It disgusts me that more and more young people are getting educated on the promises (from educational institutions and corporations’) of a great future. What great future when they walk out with a degree and $45 K in debt and get a job that pays $35 K in a city like Toronto? Also it seems every time someone retires or moves on, the person replacing them is making significantly less with more education and a much larger work load. My question to everyone out there is; Why are we, the Canadian public allowing this to happen? What can we ALL do to stop it?


James McQueen
said

Robin da Hood suggests that with socialist policies in many EU countries that people are far better off than they are in North America, but I remind him that taxes to fund all of those socialist policies are a lot higher than here in Canada. Cosumption taxes alone are astromonical when compared to Canada. Although I'm not suggesting for one minute that I happy with tehy GST and the multiple layers of taxes on petroleum products.


Susan
said

Much like Molly, I am now 25-year-old Canadian currently living and working overseas. Yes, I have a 'practical' degree (finance) from a top uni, with top marks and all sorts of extracurriculars under my belt... but that just doesn't go very far in Canada. On a comparative basis, my CV is much more highly regarded here in the UK. After several futile months of searching in Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver, Montreal, I moved to London, and within weeks had countless (and very lucrative) offers waiting for me. It's sad, but with student loans, and parents to support, staying in Canada just wasn't a financially viable option. I miss it terribly, and hope to go back soon. London has nothing on Vancouver...


CF from Montreal
said

Find a career path that is interesting to you AND has potential for employment.

High paying jobs are out there, just not for advanced basket weaving honour graduates. I mean a degree in sociology??? What did you think would happen???

Also an integral part of success is who you know, and how you swim in the corporate world. Networking and how you sell yourself go a long way. I increased my salary by 40% in two years. I have a good reputation, say the right things at the right time, made key impressions to decision makers. It isn't how hard you work that counts, it is how hard your superiors think you are working that does.


AR
said

I'm 24 with no degree (4 years of unfinished university). I make $115,000 a year at a great job (IT). Since I left University two years ago, I've had several high-paying jobs and have increased my marketability significantly.

I'm fortunate for the money I make, but I worked hard to earn it. Do I have special connections? No. Am I anyone special? No.

So why are my friends, who have finished their degrees, only making $20k-30k a year?

To me, there's two main reasons why they get paid less:

1) So many students attend college and university with the wrong expectation that their diploma/degree will fetch them a high-paying job. Or at least a job. It won't.

2) Few students actually apply themselves outside of class. Employers don't care what you learned at University, they care about what you did outside of University while you attended (start your own business, etc?)

When I was in school, I started my own consulting business. I worked for clients all over North America. I worked hard to set myself a part from my classmates, and now it's paid off.

This dilemma will teach students that there's no easy ride in life. University and college are no exception -- you need to set yourself a part from the rest! A degree will not do that.


kate
said

"Many young people today advocate for things like "free" educations or "free" transit or "free" child care, etc., etc.

Did it ever occur to you that we saw how miserable you people were, wasting your lives working like dogs to make others rich while you neglected your families and didn't take the time to enjoy life? Look at the Scandanavian countries, they have all the 'free' stuff, they are well educated, well adjusted, aren't bigoted and uptight religous warmongers and seem to be happier people. Maybe we are sick of hearing about great life will be once you are dead - personally I believe once you're dead that's it, we only get once chance at life and I don't mind working hard but I'd like to enjoy my life at the same time - it's called balance. The only people who get to enjoy life are the rich, the rest of us are slaves to corporations and governments misled by the lie that we need to suffer now for a good afterlife - what a load of drivel.


norman
said

To all of you poeple who are blaming baby boomers and student loans for you financial woes, I want to say that I am a babyboomer and that I worked, saved and scrimped to pay for a university education for my two boys. Why didn't your parent's generation do the same for you? I'm now 61 and and I'm only now able to save for my own future.the biggest problem with society today is that we are too eager to blame someone else for our own dilemmas. I just want to add that I don't even have a high school education, I had to make my own breaks in life. I was able to do it without blaming others, why can't you with all the tools that you have to work with, just take it upon yourself to MAKE HAPPEN.


Jamie
said

I am 21 years old. I now have a job paying much higher than anyone else my age will hope to get after graduating university (including my sister, who is three years older and had a double major - she earns several thousand less than me).

Here was my strategy for success:
- I went to community college for two years and worked until I graduated top of class. I took a program that had all the benefits of a Fine Arts degree without the wasted two years' extra time.
- My community college education only cost approximately $13,000 overall.
- I actually worked at school to gain a skillset and did my own personal development on the side rather than expect it to be handed to me.
- I knew what I wanted to do with my life at a young age. More parents should be shaming their "poor little snowflakes" who don't know what to do with their life - it's just costing them their most valuable years.
- I didn't do the "backpack through Europe for a year" or worthless travel most young people do at my age. You won't find your life sleeping in a flea-ridden hostel in Germany, especially not on mommy and daddy's too-kind dime.

Parents, stop telling your kids to go to university. My parents were ashamed of my choice to go to community college because "university is the only real education."

How can you possibly waste 12 years of your life in university and not say to yourself, "I have done something terribly wrong"?


colin
said

An education is great, but you really need to get the right type of education. I'm 32 and have a college education in the engineering field and I now do very well, my wife never went to college but has worked hard and is now also doing very well. I just find the kids coming out of school now say "look I'm 40k in debt... I need to be paid more because of it." Well, the world doesn't work that way, sorry. Here in the real world you need to work for everything you get. Your parents did. Grow up.


Tom
said

You've all forgotten one huge portion of what this problem is. It really has nothing to do with baby boomers. It's these two terrible words. "Contracting Out" meaning businesses farm our their customer service or their tech support to third parties.

Bell is a prime example of that. They farmed pretty much everything out and where jobs in the past were as much as $20 per hour they have been dropped in half. And even then the company as Bell has done still farms them out to India.

If you really wanted to stop the underemployment of the youth you would punish the companies that do this and boycott them. I know I have I don't shop or buy from any company that doesn't at least have all Canadian employees.


Becky
said

I am one of those just starting out people with 40k of debt after university. I had to move from Ontario to BC to obtain a decent job. Even then the job will only get better with time it's not starting out fantastic. My boyfriend and I have to pay exhorbant rent because we can't afford a house or a downpayment and we have to put our lives on hold. And we live very conservatively simply because we can't afford affulance and are realistic. The reason the population is shrinking etc. is because people like us who want to start our families just can't, plain and simple.

Knowing what I know now I would have probably skipped university.


ME
said

Yoyoma: Where did you get your info? I say we are paying more.
Examples:
In 1073 we bought a new truck--cost $3000--today $20,000+
Woman's hair cut in 1980-$7--today $25 or more. In 1972 we bought our house for $18,000--in 1980 our house was worth $30,000--today it would sell for $100,000 or more.
In 1980 we had good health care and never paid a cent--Today--good luck finding a doctor and we pay premiums on our income tax. Plus many tests are not covered by OHIP and have to be paid out of pocket.
Those are just a few of the things that I remember. I don't think goods and services are one iota cheaper. I feel for the young people starting out. Money was tight when we were in their shoes but we could still opt for one of us to stay home with the kids. Not so today.


Steve G
said

I am 40 years old with a very good paying, secure, unionized job with benefits and pension (defined benefit pension, not one of those defined contribution schemes).
My employer is still continually hiring and will be for the forseeable future-and I only have a two year diploma from a community college.

My point is, while I agree there are fewer quality jobs available-they are there-you just have to look harder to find them.

One thing though, if you are just entering the workforce,are wondering why there is a shortage of good jobs, and own an imported vehicle like a Hyundai or a Kia which have no investments in Canada, you have just answered your own question.


Taking chances
said

It's sad to see people blaming baby boomers for their current situations. My parents scraped for many years eating only bolgna sandwiches to make ends meet. They took chances, and today, they are comfortable. I worked through my post-secondary schooling, while working 2 and and 3 jobs. A few years back, my wife and I separated, and we share the children evenly. I made a decision to sell the house and buy one, where I can build an apartment. I pay over $1000 a month for support, even though I have the kids 50%. I don't have much money at the end of the month, and can't afford 40" TV's or cell phones. I am ecstatic that I can go on a trip every 3 or 4 years with the kids. You have to take chances in life. I do side jobs, on top of my current employment. Nothing is given to you anymore. So, for those individuals who have 40K debts out of school, I don't feel sorry for you! Go out and find part-time work, just like most of us did. Take a chance, to make some money. Life isn't free.


Well Off Grad
said

Personally I've never felt this type of effect.

I finished my 3 year Advanced Diploma from a local College and easily found a job before I even graduated.

I now make $66K and I'm not yet 23 years old.

The jobs are there, companies are hiring. The problem is people don't know where to look. There is an apparent disconnect between the employers and potential employees. Pretty much everyone I considers a job search applying to anything they can find online.

I'll tell you one thing, if you want a job, go talk to people in the workforce. Find the managers and talk to them about normal people stuff.

I never got a job showcasing my skills. I like to talk sports and family during interviews. Everybody has skills, don't think you're special 'cause you have a degree.


Jason.
said

For everyone whining here I heard that the RCMP are paying, the BASIC requirements are:

Canadian citizen
Speak English or French
High school diploma
Valid DL
Want to work anywhere in Canada

After 3 years you will earn $72125.00. So ask me if I feel for those complaining because there are jobs out there where you don't need the 2-3 BA and all the rest of the paper diplomas...


Shitzpa
said

I am Canadian male. Was at one point ranked the top 20 in the world in swimming, swam for the Canadian National Team for 6 years, and completed two degrees. The second was a MBA with a focus in finance. Graduated in the top 5% of the program. To make a long story longer, I could not find a job in Canada. Had to start my own company and after 5 years I am in the fortunate position to be selling it for 7 figures.

The only point that I am trying to make is that these stuffed shirts out there in the executive jobs don't know JACK! Don't look for their handouts - they are just hiring the "selected" few that are connected. Start something yourself and show some spunk!

You can make a much better living worker harder and smarter then these corporate monkeys. They just want to leave at 5:30 and dream of starting their own thing one day.


Tired of being under employed
said

The off shoring of our manufacturing sector to places like India, China et al is the real story here. Manufacturing and the trades are the only place where men seem to find employment. My wife has been far more steadily employed than myself, and has earned more as well. Personally I think its time to offer incentives to companies to repatriate their manufacturing and to start treating India and China like the developed countries that they are. A developed country has things like, a nuclear weapons program, and a space program and hosts the Olympics. So yea, they're developed. Time to start taxing their imports to make our own home built goods competitive. In other words, even the playing field.


ertw
said

I just turned 26, and recently sacrificed 5+ years of my life obtaining an Engineering degree. Between my 60+ hours of class/homework a week I found time to work a low paying part-time enough to pay for rent, food & tuition (that's all, and that's how I lived quite miserably). I graduated without any debt, and am now self employed and making six figures.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to graduate with such a huge loan, unless you were lazy and didn't want to work a little. There's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to find a job in Canada, unless you haven't accumulated any marketable skills during your entire lifetime.

Every time I read about Canada's job market, it's losing a lot of no-skill manufacturing jobs, but adding many more high paying jobs that require at least some skills. There's no secret to achieving success in this world, work hard and smart. It's a shame more people don't see it and waste years pursuing their 'destiny' and get degrees in literature, arts etc. It is however reassuring to know that I'm competing for jobs in this world against you lazy-poor-decision making people.


ginbin
said

I'm one of those boomers who created all your problems. Give me a break! Every generation in turn has created ills for the next generation but has tried (not always correctly but then they were voted in these govnm'ts)to improve on it. All of u complaining & are young are u voting to change govn'mt? Are u there asking tough ?'s of the canidates, 'cause if u aren't & are just complaing or sounding off here, then the problems will never change.

I was a high school drop out (pregnant) in Gr. 11 in the business track when I wanted nrsg. but told I wasn't "smart enough". 10yrs later, single parent w/ 2 kids, went back to college to get that nrsg diploma (RN) because I needed a better salary. I was lucky- besides student loans, I got grants but the loans I had to pay back. On graduating (guess I was smart enough), no jobs in Ont. so moved to Alberta, kids, dog, & all with the aid of the gov'mt. (Check out income tax laws folks, do research & stop whinning). Eventually moved back to Ont. & continued educ. part-time, while working full-time & now have a MScN. NO student debt as I paid my way. Plus my salary went up, as were the positions I applied for. I would have gone anywhere to support myself & kids. I don't see that drive in people on this forum. Life is what u make it.


BROOKE
said

China currently has a ship that supports 15,000 containers and has a 207' beam. It's capable of transporting goods across the Pacific in 4 days, no less!!! It will use an unbelievable 317,000 gallons of diesel fuel per year. How great is that for our the Pacific Ocean? But most importantly, we send NOTHING back on most of these ships. They return EMPTY!! Any further questions on why our economy is doomed and why we have NO manufacturing jobs left. Canadians unite and boycott all made in China products. Together we can make a difference and force big business to provide "Made in Canada" products and jobs for Canadians. I sure everyone is sick and tired of explaining to what ever call centre you're calling exactly where Fort St. John or Winnipeg or Ottawa is. Let's get our jobs back in Canada.



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