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Date: Sat. Apr. 26 2008 10:30 PM ET
Ontario's opposition parties say they will support an order brought forward by the governing Liberals to end Toronto's transit strike.
The legislature will reconvene for an emergency sitting on Sunday afternoon to vote on the back-to-work legislation.
Premier Dalton McGuinty said he was implementing the measure as soon as he learned TTC workers were walking off the job late Friday night.
The legislation means employees will return to the job in time for the Monday morning commute, CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss reported.
Opposition Leader John Tory immediately pledged co-operation to end what he called the "outrageous'' strike, but New Democrat Leader Howard Hampton refused to promise his support for the bill until late Saturday, saying he wanted to see it first.
"We should let the parties bargain,'' said Hampton, who could have delayed passage of the bill for at least a day or two if he chose not to support the plan.
Later in the day, Hampton told reporters he approved the bill because of its similarity to one the party supported to end a garbage strike in Toronto in 2002.
The legislation would impose fines of $2,000 per individual and $25,000 for a union or employer per day.
All outstanding issues would be referred to a mediator or arbitrator and both sides would have five days to agree on who that individual is or the government will appoint someone. The arbitrator would have to consider such things as the city of Toronto's ability to pay.
Transit riders stunned
Commuters awoke to a transit system at a standstill after workers rejected a contract offer and suddenly went on strike.
"There's no streetcars, no subway, no buses," Brad Ross, a Toronto Transit Commission spokesman, told CTV Newsnet on Saturday morning.
The 8,900 members of the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 113 -- which represents maintenance workers and operators -- walked off the job at midnight, leaving people stranded.
"We were of course were quite surprised by this," Ross said.
Previously, the union had committed to giving 48 hours notice.
"Wonderful," security guard Sean Patenaude said late Friday night when learning of the walkout. "It's going to screw up a heck of a lot of people trying to get to and from their jobs, it's going to cause a lot of economic hardship and a lot of personal hardship," he said.
"It's unforgivable really, you can't hold the entire transit population of the city hostage on a whim and that's what it's starting to feel like."
Union president Bob Kinnear cited the safety of his members, saying it trumped the public's right to advance notice.
"We have assessed the situation and decided that we will not expose our members to the dangers of assaults from angry and irrational members of the public," he said.
Kinnear had warned people a week ago that a strike was imminent, but then the union reached a deal with the City of Toronto around suppertime last Sunday.
TTC chairman Adam Giambrone was disappointed by the unexpected labour disruption taken by transit employees.
"The contract itself is a fair contract," he told CTV Newsnet on Saturday. "It offered fare wage increases, benefit increases, a commitment to deal with the pension issues the union had, and it's going to be very difficult because there is no more money to put on the table"
Giambrone suggested infighting among the union caused the sudden strike move.
"On behalf of the TTC, we want to apologize to our riders, apologize to Toronto," Giambrone said.
"This took us by surprise on Friday night. We'll do the best to work with the premier and work with the city to make this situation as painless as possible, recognizing the incredible inconvenience that people have, especially since the union refused to honour its 48-hour commitment."
Commuters stranded
The walkout left hundreds of thousands of commuters stranded on Saturday, forcing them to make last-minute plans to get to work and get around the city.
There were a number of large events taking place, including a Toronto Raptors playoff game, a Toronto FC soccer game and the Green Living Show at Exhibition Place. The two sold-out sports events alone bring about 40,000 people into the downtown core.
A spokesperson for Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, which owns the Raptors and TFC, estimated up to 50 per cent of their fans normally take the TTC to games.
With the expected increase in traffic, Toronto police asked motorists to remain patient during the strike.
Taxi companies, meanwhile, were experiencing a backlog of calls as business increased because of the labour dispute.
Contract details
In a press release early Saturday, the TTC outlined the highlights of the negotiated settlement that was rejected.
"Nowhere in the agreement did the TTC request any concessions from the union," said the press release.
- Term: three years, expiring March 31, 2011
- Wages: April 1, 2008 -- 3 per cent; April 1, 2009 -- 3 per cent; April 1, 2010 -- 3 per cent
- Vision Care: $300 every two years; plus $50 for exams
- Dental Care: major restorative, including implants up to $2,500
- Orthodontic: up to $4,000 (50 per cent TTC coverage)
- Physio & Chiro: $1,000 max ($35 per visit)
- Long-term Disability: $2,550 max, per month
The TTC ratified the deal Wednesday and the union's leadership recommended ratification, but 65 per cent of the union's membership who attended the ratification meeting voted against the deal late Friday. Without a new offer by midnight, the union said it would go on strike.
The tentative agreement needed a 50 per cent vote plus one to be ratified. Officials from the TTC and union expected the deal to be accepted, but as the week went on, grumblings from 3,000 maintenance staff and 1,000 mechanics grew louder.
The workers expressed concern about job security and worried some work would be contracted out. They were also upset that the GTA clause, which guarantees TTC drivers will be the highest paid in the region, doesn't extend to them.
Toronto Mayor David Miller called the strike action "unacceptable" and "unnecessary."
"When you negotiate with an executive, you expect them to be able to sell the agreement to their membership," Miller told CTV Newsnet on Saturday afternoon.
"It's very difficult to negotiate and be at the table if the negotiations don't mean anything, and that's certainly what happened here.
"From my perspective, we made a very fair offer to the union, the union executive accepted it. The offer is consistent with recent industrial settlements both in the private sector and the public sector."
The Ministry of Labour called the two sides back to the bargaining table on Saturday afternoon, however, talks broke off by the early evening.
The TTC said there will be limited service for people who must get to critical medical appointments through its WheelTrans service.
Ross said people should bike, walk or share a ride if they can.
"But it's tough to give people advice when you have 1.5 million people every day who rely on the TTC to get where they're going. It's more than an inconvenience -- that word doesn't quite describe it."
Miller had said commuters should be "very concerned" about their Monday morning commute, saying the city's contingency plan would be in effect on Monday if the strike hasn't been resolved.
Meanwhile, Giambrone said it was too early to consider declaring the TTC an essential service.
"It's certainly something that I'll be reflecting on," he said. "I try to make decisions with considered thought and I don't want to make a decision in the heat of the moment. We've got a lot of issues to deal with right now."
Former TTC chairman Howard Moscoe, a city councilor, said it would be "a very serious mistake" for the city to declare transit an essential service. He said the move would cost the cash-strapped city even more money.
"Everything goes to compulsory arbitration, and the arbitrators, historically, have always been shown to favour support a union that does not have the right to strike," Moscoe told CTV Newsnet.
Moscoe said some 750 Toronto police officers earn more than $100,000 a year because they are an essential service.
He added transit fares would rise "substantially" to help pay the higher transit worker wages.
Next week, city council is expected to debate whether transit constitutes an essential service in Toronto.
With reports from CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss and Naomi Parness and files from The Canadian Press
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bobby
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They are run by self-centered egoists who could not care less for the public good.
Rickey
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tom
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MB
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andy
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John in London
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They are nothing but greedy. Look what they did to the automotive industry. Now they want to do it to public transit?
Don't bite the hand that feeds you or you can start lining up at the unemployment office like your manufacturing buddies, once you have prices yourselves out of the market.
Pete
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Ian Yellowknife
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Sarah
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Any hack can drive a bus. Fire the lot of them and bring in someone a little more greatfull.
I am so sick of these pple who work off the public dime, and keep showing up with their caps in hands for more money.
Why should they get $30/hour to drive a bus.
Mark Petryczka
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D.D.
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Doug
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M J Weir
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JC
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The union members know that we are not taxpayers, but taxsuckers, and all the city needs to do is raise taxes (again, ..and again)
J.C.
said
People who live paycheck to paycheck cannot afford to miss time at work for these interruptions.
Stephen
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Julie
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TimT
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That was a low blow to Toronto, and I hope they pay for that.
jessicarabie
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Angry woman who can't get around this weekend!!!
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When the transit system went on strike in MTL a couple years back there were huge consequences for the people living in the city. For example, many elderly missed their doctor appointments. Others called ambulances for non-life threatening injuries and health complications as they had no other way of getting to the hospital.
The TTC is holding us hostage and it's completely unacceptable.
The union needs to be taken apart and the employees should be given the choice to either work or walk. It would not take long to replace those that choose to walk.
JPF
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Tania
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Ryan
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rob
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Why do most of us have to pay for their benefits(civil servants) when we can hardly afford our own, this should be challenged in the supreme court of Canada, our taxes pay for their benefits, should we not be entitled to these benefits equally?
p.s. I hope we can all help our fellow citizens get to work so they do not lose their source of income the ones that will be hit the hardest are the 30% who live at or below the poverty line! Does anyone care?
Fat Tony
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Mike Mike
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E.Haryett
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colleen
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And about the safety issue, I don't buy that the strike is because of safety issues, if there was a legit concern they could pull those routes until the situation is sorted.
To 'MB' there is no comparison between the 25% pay rise McGuinty introduced for themselves and TTC drivers and ticket booth attendants. Two totally different job descriptions and levels of responsibility.
Jonathan
said
If you saw the wages and conditions that some of our foreign car companies had built there cars you could see the bigger picture as to how the big 3 were undersold. They may have gotten lazy in building good cars but thats another story.
The rich get richer and poor get poorer. Why should a sales clerk in the TTC make more than the Sales Clerk at a convenience store? They should get paid the same except that I think the TTC clerk stands up to her employer and is part of a stronger group of her brothers and sisters.
Unions fight for better wages, working conditions etc. and this keeps better workers. To me, working withouth a union is like driving without a seatbelt. It's not perfect but it keeps things alot safer.
Eliza
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sandra couchie
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pepe
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Have you notice the price of fuel?
Amit
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ross mac
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Bob
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Hi,
My name is bob,i work in chain store and earn $9.00. i wish i had union to strike and rising my wage after 5 years. Most of my coworker are immigrants and used public transit and after strike by TTC, we are facing many problems.
what shall we do to come canada for better life!
Your truly
TP
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We don't expect the public to have any sympathy right now..but trust me...the issues are deeper than any of you know and money has nothing to do with it.
om
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Chris
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But that aside, I do agree with the workers going on strike with little or no notice. Anyone who works in customer service, or in any job that has to deal with the public in general will know how rude and irate customers can be (and in certain cases can result in assault too). I've been in customer service for 2 years and seen and heard it all.
As for the TTC having a union... I think unions are dated. There is nothing wrong in this day in age to have a workplace with extreme high turnover rate, if you want to reduce the high turn over rates, you'll have to provide better working conditions. So this will give the business a choice whether to do so or not.
In closing, I hope this strike is a short lived one.
Mickey
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Scott
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Brian
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Sonny in Toronto
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I got out a club this morning...
Walking is still a way to get around.
Plus it is good exercise. Sonny
Sher
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Do any of these politicians who are berating the union actually use public transit? I think not. David Miller said in his news conference last night to "walk or use a bicycle" but yet uses his City paid private car and driver. He does not use public transit. Will all of you be yelling when your taxes go up because you're paying for his gas?
bunny
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ET
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Linda
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Lillian Smith
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Unions are needed now more than ever. GM had a Union which provided a decent living for Canadian families.
GM and other companies like them are moving production from North America and opening shop in third-world countries where they can pay slave wages and not worry about environmental or labour laws.
In Ontario alone GM Canada received $170 million of our tax dollars (Corporate Welfare for one of the richest Corporations in the World). Ford and Chrysler received similar amounts in 2007.
Less than six months later they were closing down plants and shifts and throwing Canadians out of work.
So why did the politicians give them our tax money for?
It apparently was a no strings attached Welfare handout to rich private Companies.
Unfortunately in our Corporate controlled Media only one side of the picture is presented.
Corporate Greed never makes the news.
JG
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Mike
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Mary T.
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The issue is you have uneducated, unskilled and "almost" high-school gradutes in the TTC trying to bully the an educated society - it is like a parent negotiting with a child.
Read these posts and you see these union people still have an "us" versus "them" mentality - rich versus poor, corporate versus poor-me the worker.
Back to Work legislation, Essential service on the way - thanks Bobby Kinnear, for making Miller do what he didn't have the courage to do in the first place.
Brian
said
Unions are the problem with our society and will ultimately be the downfall of our economy.
Those who are pro-union and lose their jobs with corporations forced to relocate to affordable countries have only themselves to blame.
One day people will wake up and realize that a job that pays well and includes good benefits is something that you have to work hard for and is a privilage, not a right.
Unions = an atmosphere that instills laziness and cause employees to take things for granted.
Not to mention the absolute childeshness that happens around strikes when someone dares cross the line (and be a responsible employee, to support their family) and jerks treat them as though they're scum for doing so. Grow up people and learn that life and hard work go hand and hand. Get a new job if you don't like what you have.
Allan Eizinas
said
They are busy elsewhere, you say?
Pity.
Union guy
said
So your job sucks, and instead of wanting a union to help improve your lot in life, you want everyone else's job to suck just like yours? Hmmm...
paul
said
In the Netherlands, when public transit workers go on strike, buses keep running, but no fare is collected.
This way they don't inconvenience the public, and they hit their employers where it hurts..... their pocketbooks. The public in some cases will actually come out in support of the unions.
Of course, in order for this to work here, we will need a legislative framework that will support these types of non-confrontational industrial action.
Unions in North America are too belligerent and arrogant. They invite a lot of ill-will from the public by using them as pawns, which is kind of self-defeating, considering that their opponent isn't really the public, but their employers.
Stuart
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This union needs to realize that it has conducted itself in a way to guarantee that it will have no public sympathy whatsoever during this strike.
It's almost as though they wanted to drive away all public support.
Paul
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Richard
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MF
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David in Ontario
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Paloma Radovski
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Paloma
Dan
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Unions are called selfish and their members are told they are "lucky to have a job" and yet few people object to CEO's making millions upon millions of dollars to run the companies into the ground and still walk away with millions in severance packages.
Unions are still needed because of the bullying tactics used by some management on some of it's employees. Tactics that one person did to another they would be in trouble.
Why is it a company can make a profit but still lay people off because they did not reach the profit they expected? Try laying off the management who came up with these unrealistic profits first and then maybe there will be fewere strikes in the future.
Peter
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Liz
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Rogers D
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'The comments here are very saddening - lashing out at the unions just serves to further fighting within the working classes. Direct your anger at management, who are responsible for putting the unions in this position. '
Sad because you don't agree with them? Or sad because you use the blame game by blaming 'management'? Oh right, that evil managament that pays you 30.hr to send your kids to university.
You miss the point,real working class people, (no, not TTC workers) hate over-paid workers who hide behind a monopoly.
You just proved Mary Ts point above - us versus them, unskilled and uneducated workers trying to make a case where there is none.
Now please quit your job which is so much of a burden with that evil management and find a private sector job - ya I know, you can't. :))
suzie
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Lisa
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I'm not happy about the strike and am very TTC dependent, but I've also seen firsthand the abuse that workers have endured from the general public. I hope there will be a speedy and mutually satisfactory resolution. In the meantime, I'll be cycling and enjoying the weather.
ddq
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Samantha Glass
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Mr Chillz
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How come we don't cry when politicians give themselves 15% increases in their pay?, and they are hardly working at all!!!
David
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MJ
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connie
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The public was told they would be provided 48 hours so riders can PLAN for alternatives!! This just further damages support for the union, and any claim of credibility in their arguments.
The move supposedly is to protect the union members...how does one gather that striking unexpectedly (which is enraging to say the least!) is safer for front line workers than giving even a little notice???
Union: "Thanks for the support public! We'll just stab you in the back when you're not looking."
Jamie
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I'm no unionist but I see their place in society.
Allan
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Paul R
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HOMER
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John
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Lionel
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ESSENTIAL SERVICE...
this is unfair, who the hell they think they are ???
AH
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Kevin L
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Frank Buchan
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My point is that the problem today with unions is that they represent narrow interests in areas that frequently use the public at large as a hostage, all the while projecting a degree of entitlement to that public. One day working for themeselves and they would see that what they have, however imperfect, is a lot better than most...and maybe they would learn to show some respect to those who haven't the protection of a union.
What we need is a Federal labour code that makes unions unnecessary.
Doug BC
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It's also difficult to understand why so many people favour the elimination of good paying jobs in this country.
That's the difference between well paid union workers,and people working at low paying jobs.Union workers will work to raise the standards for ALL workers.People stuck in low paying industries would prefer to "lower the standards".That makes no sense.If you envy these workers,and their wages,get off your ass and go get one of these jobs.Either that,or have the guts to push your employer for a better deal.
Either way,there is a benefit for people in economies that have some decent paying work.And NO,most of the jobs in this industry are not that pleasant,or easy.
Having said that,I will criticize the TTC union for being so inconsiderate as to not give the public advance warning.Hopefully they are being reasonable i negotiations.To do any less is a clear case of extortion.Even as a union supporter,I cannot support radicals.
Anthony
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I hope that when they renegotiate, the mediator gets nasty and pretty much removes right to strike and makes a deal that will be a million times worse than what they negotiated. It's all greed that's it
Matt
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The anger at the TTC union isn't against the working class.
It's against greedy overpaid people who think stable jobs at $60k/yr just isn't enough.
As much as I think the TTC is important, when ticket takers are making more than many public service professionals, ie police or teachers, there is something wrong.
The people we should be worried about are those who don't make TTC wages, they're the ones who are getting hurt the most.
milan
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David
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If you think the job of a driver is so easy why don't you do what I did...apply. The TTC employment office is at 1138 Bathurst Street..just north of Dupont on the west side of Bathurst. BTW, the failure rate is around 25%. Hopefully this will be settled soon.
ender
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Patrick
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Quit being so judegmental, I know its an inconvienence, but suck it up, they have a right to be safe.
Stella
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Nicola
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The irony is if they really were "serious" about " our safety" then why would they have a strike midnight on a friday night?. When many Torontonians are out and about. Past midnight in most cases. A majority of them are relying on ttc as a source of transport to go back home. Having an unannounced strike which the union commuted to giving 48 hours notice. Leaves these people stranded and their saftey in jeapordy. So when ttc says "We're serious about your saftey", one can really question what that means.
Luigi
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Mahbubul Haque
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Lucia
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Michelle C.
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I'd like to see you drive a huge city bus for 8 hours a day, every day, in the congested downtown city traffic without an accident. Not to mention the abuse some bus drivers face each day. Just because you sit in a cushy chair behind a desk all day working at what you call a "real job" doesn't make you better than anyone else. These people work hard for their money, probably much harder than you and they don't get the chance to go for a coffee whenever they want, or take a 2 hour business lunch whenever they want.
Have some appreciation for those who sweat each day to get you to and from your "real job" safe and sound!
I for one support any action that will give these workers the recognition they deserve.
Thomas Chan
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Thomas Chan
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There is no such thing as 100% guarantee job security in the reality, like any other jobs, take it or leave it, or BYOB---Be Your Own Boss. Be realistic!
Cindy
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Mayank
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Ian
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CM
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In Europe the unions have learned to cooperate with the governments in order to keep working. After all if they price themselves out of the market they lose their jobs and no one is further ahead.
Again like Europe, the bus drivers could be completely encased in a cubicle where they couldn't be attacked.
Unions are BIG business just like corporations, especially for the top guys and they use the workers as a means of getting more money.
Shayna
said
As you can plainly see, the strike has nothing to do with the drivers wanting more money, so before you rant about how stupid unions are and about how greedy drivers are, a word of advice: think before you type.
ERS
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Heather
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The workers have not rejected the offer because they're greedy, they're looking for safety in their jobs! How many of you can say that you feel truly unsafe each and every time you go to work? My dad worked as a collector in the subway for about 5 years and he suffered abuses, attacks and threats on a DAILY basis. How would you feel being the sole person in a glass booth in the early morning booth surrounded by threatening and abusive (and probably drugged) people, without the guarantee that when you call for help someone is going to come to assist you?
Is the strike unfair and inconvenient? ABSOLUTELY. But I'd rather spare people like my dad the daily abuses and threats from such an UNCIVILIZED public, than send them to work in very dangerous circumstances!
You all should be ashamed of yourselves, carrying on like that.
AgentJacek
said
I would buy striking union workers one way tickets to Cuba and exchange them for those who would appreciate free economy.
ren ty
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We dont want to be taken hostages just because their own personal interest were not provided to them.
And I dont believe they are treated as second class citizens, in fact on the contrary they are considered world class citizens with the benefits and perks they are enjoying. Imagine one ttc employee alone can even earn as much as 100 thousand per annum salary? TTC UNION members should be considerate of their demands and be realistic!! Lots of Torontonians live at poverty line level, and they are the ones subsidizing all your perks thru taxes!!
Grace
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jessicarabie
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Nigel
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Ari
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Today's competitive business world has no place for unions and their threatening tactics, but to our missfortune with the leftists we have running Toronto City Hall there is no one to show the unions that they are history now. In fact the union is somehow right compering their wages to the city clerks who all get exessive salaries for little or no work at all, wages that the we the Toronto citizens pay thruogh their taxes.
It's time now that the Privincial Government intervenes immediately with back to work legislation before Monday. After that there have to be drastic measures on the TTC workers and possibly firing all of them. The test whether they are getting a fair salary is this: advertise to getting new employees not with today's wages they have but with what they had 5 years ago, and then see whether they will be able to fill all of the positions probable within a month or so. That's a fair market value and not trying to bring the city on its knees with revolutionary leftist tactics.
Toronto needs to change and be more business oriented, TTC has got a lot of work ahead to restore public confidence and faith in the system.
Carl
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All of us are now 'benefiting' from this decision.
The people of Toronto are well aware transit workers are already vastly overpaid but Mr. Miller wants to give them more .. but apparently what was offered was not enough. Mr. Miller continues to think ridiculously high wage levels and benefits should continue to reward surly and uncoperative 'workers'. Of course, he has a city provided car and driver which he can - and will - continue to utilize.
If these 'workers' don't like the wages and benefits on offer, let them find employment more to their liking elsewhere.
Back to work legislation must include a clause declaring transit workers anywhere in Ontario 'essential' and include hefty penalties for disobeying or ignoring that clause. The legilation should also set realistic wages and benefits that taxpayers can afford. A good start would be to reduce the current wage rate by one-third and freeze benefits at existing high levels.
Frustrated with Torontonians
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Pat
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Hitch a ride...
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Bob
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I doubt that ANYONE will ACTUALLY lose a job over this.
David Boyce
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Zabet
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Carolyn Gardner
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Nancy
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IAN
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A city deserving of respect..? NOT.
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Toronto used to be a nice city at one time. It isn't now. It is full of self righteous pompous goofs who think they are better than everybody else and aren't.
Millan L. Alaba
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Stephen
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So enjoy your walk. After the strike don't be surprised if some drivers, tired of your abuse, park their vehicles and walk away as they have done quite a few times in Calgary. You sow it, you reap it, Toronto.
Jay Toronto
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P.S NO I DONT WORK FOR THE TTC I TAKE THE BUS TO WORK AT THE AIRPORT SO SUCK IT UP AND LETS DEAL WITH IT!!
Robert Lis
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KC
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work at home
said
Having a little trouble with jet lag after that all important trip to China???????
Perhaps he picked up some pointers on how to deal with strikes from the Chinese.
Or is NDP Miller caught in the middle?
Seems he only knows a couple of toons, one was the ''ban the bridge to the island'', and the other was ''ban the handgun''.
The TTC really shot themselves in the foot by not working until the system shuts down friday night.
Can only imagine the traffic mess come monday, and with gas at historic levels, we will witness TTC rage like never before.
Irate Torontonian
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UI
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I think its time for Mayor Miller and Premier McGuinty to stop preaching people about this notion of public transit being "The Better Way", obviously its not something we are ready to depend on. Because the employers expect their workers to report to work regardless of a TTC strike, and the institutions of higher-learning don't exempt students for missing exam(s).
We need a government that can better understand the needs of its people, and create appropriate laws that can prevent this kinda of outraging acts by the unions!
jp
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Andy
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Louise
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New Canada
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1.Unskilled bus drivers should not be making $30/hr.Unions are part of the problem.
2.Gov't only protects corporations & other politicians, unions are needed more than ever.
The problem is, BOTH of these statements are correct and what we need are fresh ideas for a world with unprecedent, new issues and problems.
Ironically, unions and high wages for low skill work drives the cost of living up for all of us but, corporations are fleecing us & irresponsible gov'ts are in on the scam. Also, in Canada we have among the most exprensive transit systems in the world, riding transit is supposed to be affordable.
We're a nation moving into the future but still trying to run things as if it's the 1930s; we need to change the way we find solutions for our problems because old answers no longer apply. We see this with everything from our foreign policy to labour relations to immigration.
Johnny
said
How many hard working people actually get such benefits such as these with thier current employers:
Term: three years, expiring March 31, 2011Wages: April 1, 2008 - 3%; April 1, 2009 -3%; April 1, 2010 - 3%Vision Care: $300 every 2 years; plus $50 for examsDental Care: major restorative, including implants up to $2,500Orthodontic: up to $4,000 (50% TTC coverage)Physio & Chiro: $1,000 max ($35 per visit)Long-term Disability: $2,550 max, per month
Source: TTC Website
Claudia
said
It's ridiculous to see these publicly funded organizations to hold municipalities hostage.
This was a brutal winter, with Peterborough snow plow drivers on strike, and the TTC - it's a gamble anytime their contract is up for renegotiation.
It's time to declare - public funding makes your organization an essential service. These companies can't have it both ways.
Voice of logic
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If safety is a key negotiating point, I'd like to suggest that the high wage for deemed unskilled work was to compensate for that already (e.g. hazard pay). You enter into a work contract, knowing what is involved (abuse from the public, etc.)
Since there is little to be done about conflict except refusing access to 'abusive' riders, as we cannot have a police officer on every bus, the drivers (via the union) would have negotiated higher wages to offset that. In fact, at least one comment above indicated that as a reason they deserve the relatively high wages they get.
So ... presuming that is the case, staff go into the job with their eyes wide open, accept the salary and benefits that go along with the job, yet don't want to accept the unpleasant (and yes, sometimes dangerous) aspects of the job that justified the wages to begin with? That's double-dipping, people!
But then, that's what unions are famous for anyway. Once they use one aspect of a job to secure more money, they use that same excuse to get something else. Again and again and again, hoping the new negotiating team doesn't bother to look back. And, no big surprise here, they often don't.
I believe there was a time and place for unions, and this is not it. We have legislation that ALL workers can use to ensure their safety in the workplace. Educate yourselves, people, and if you have a valid case, the Ministry of Labour will help you. That's what they're there for.
S. Hart
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I'm furious that I may not see her alive again.
Peter from Toronto
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Now I ask, where's the decent public service amidst best possible wages?
Dawn
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'bus drivers are unskilled....'
Are you serious? Half of these people started when they were young. It's a lifetime job. You can't generalize and say these people are unintelligent. That in itself is an unintelligent statement. I personally take offense to it, as my father is a bus driver and is a very intelligent and worthy person. The idea of a Union is what isn't smart.
On the other hand, there are other ways around the city, open your freaking eyes, people! Go, walking, biking, carpooling, taxi... geez.
Michelle
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Will
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Unions today have no interest besides their own... they give their membership what they want so that they don't disband and lose all those precious Union fees. I am sick of every public service Union holding our citizens hostage every six months and then somehow thinking they are entitled to more money then someone in brampton that does the same job.
Ask a retail worker at the Eaton Centre if he makes more money than someone working at Bramalea city centre?
Unfortunatley we keep electing a dunce mayor who had to practically sleep with Bob Kenear to get elected.
If you, in the ATU, feel unsafe at work.... GO FIND ANOTHER JOB!!!!!!
Les
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That said, the TTC should be made an essential service and the public should be allowed to vote on whether politicians get pay raises.
William Ashley
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I think they should have the right to refuse work but of course that doesn't insure job security.
But I'm geussing it'd take a while to fill jobs for 5000 people or the 2000 or however many hold out. Really unfortunate that they couldn't have put all their demands on the table and determined what was possible.
fred
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The same people who throughout 1990's moaned about evil-doing welfare moms while giving every last cent of tax write-off advantage to the rich corporate bosses, making them even richer than they already were, are at it again preaching about EVIL unions.
A little bit of HISTORY: unions and worker agitation are the reason for EVERY SINGLE protective law we have in the books. Laws such as 8-hour work days, minimum wage, health, safety, .. the list goes on.
If you think that being a bus driver is an easy, mindless job.. well, you have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE about what you are talking about. I know someone who became a bus driver. The training and entrance exam for TTC is one of the toughest there is. The dropout rate is more than %50. Many people simply cannot put up with the pressure, demanding schedule, and constant threat of violence during overnight hours. Do yourself a favor and get a clue.
Don in Manitoba
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Me
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Before unions the employer had all the power. He could hire and fire, harass and molest workers on a whim. Except for the molesting those clerks and fast food workers are just about in the same boat. As for wages do you really think they can live a good life and raise a family on minimum wage with no benifits? They are just scraping by. Why do you think workers at Walmart and McDonalds are trying to become unionized.
Raise the minimum wage to $10 or $20 an hour, and a national benefit package and then you can scrap the unions. This will never happen so whether you think so or not unions are necessary.
Those who say we don't are the ones wishing they belonged to one
Ranjit Dalliah
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Mike
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Note that 'unskilled and uneducated' is not meant to mean 'stupid.' Rather, it is a reference that post-secondary education / training is not a requirement for the vast majority of jobs in this union. How many TTC employees do you figure are struggling to pay off their student loans from college? Instead, their wages start at near double that of minimum wage, for, as another poster mentioned, 'mindless work.' I have recently completed my THIRD round of college training, yet my pay is in the mid-to-low range for the TTC. Something not quite right about that, huh? Also, please don't misunderstand - I'm happy with my pay; it is appropriate for the skill level of my job.
There are comments here from those who feel that MORE unions are needed. I'd LOVE to hear how that makes sense to you. Our wages are not increasing at the rate that union wages are - therefore, affordability is out the window, and sales are down - which means that people get downsized out of work, or it moves to an affordable country.
In terms of politicians' wages, I don't agree with having the ability to vote yourself a raise, either. In my opinion, that should be tied to the rate of inflation. Raises should change for two reasons: either your performance has shown that you've earned it, or to match inflation rates. In either case, union demands are out-of-line.
Time to wake these jokers up.
Adrian
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Maybe the province should have private companies running Private buses just like there are private airlines like West-Jet , Porter etc which keep Air-Canada in check .
Once we have cheap private buses running the same routes as the TTC these guys would think twice before holding us hostage.
Jay
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Obviously you must not have a clue about the training bus drivers must go through to be able to do their jobs. Once a riders gets on the transit system they are putting their lives in the hands of these so called "uneducated and unskilled workers" It may be true that some are uneducated but I'm fairly certain most are quite dedicated and care about the riders that they get from point A to point B.
Name calling and belittling people typically doesn't help the situation. Nothing like fanning the flames.
Yes the strike action is unnecessary and inconvenient, but let management, the union and the legislature deal with this. Hopefully it can be resolved without insulting anyone.
G
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Just last week i had to go downtown for a meeting and i was on the streetcar at a subway loading station waiting 10 minutes for the driver to arrive.
oh, and on the topic of respect and safety for the workers - if you don't feel comfortable doing routes in higher crime areas, then don't. the respect i have received from workers has been minimal. those in the ticket booths aren't even looking half the time and haven't been very polite when purchasing tickets. one experience i had with a bus driver was inexcusable. i boarded the bus from the subway and remembered soon after that i needed a transfer. i went up to the driver and asked for a transfer and he said that i had to get one when i paid. i said i came on from the subway and he said he had no proof that i paid, now raising his voice in front of a fully packed bus. i apologized and he then said in a threatening voice that this is the only time he will do this and that he really shouldn't be giving me the transfer.
if the workers want respect, they need to treat civilians with respect, either greeting them when they board and replying in a pleasant manner when asking for directions or help.
on behalf of all students who rely on transit to get to school, and those maintaining minimum wage jobs with balancing school work, and rely on their jobs to pay for tuition and living expenses, the stike is an extremely greedy move.
James
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josh
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a union of this size is self-defeating and needs to go.
daisy santos
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Michele
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Unions are the only thing keeping some wages increasing with inflation. How soon the human memory forgets. Unions are what gave us the workers rights we have today. Unions are not the ones keeping wages stagnant over the past 20-30 years. There is more of a gap between
union and non-union wages but that is not caused by unions, its called 'competitiveness'
due to NAFTA. Those against unions are also probably those NAFTA loving people.
Its easy to see how right wing propaganda has driven a wedge between union and non-union workers.
If there where no unions representing workers we'd be one step closer to corporatism.
Catherine
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Does anyone realize that they started the strike on a Friday night when most people had probably already made it home from work? A significantly smaller portion of the population works on the weekend and the union is not stupid enough to think that they won't be legislated back by Monday.
Try thinking before you call them stupid and uneducated. They're making a calculated stand for their own welfare. It may be an inconvenience and certain people have no other way to get around the city but that suggests a position that deserves some respect, no?
RBF
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Frank
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What seems to have happened here is an internal conflict within the union. Back to work legislation is needed in this instance but to declare transit an essential service is not called for here. They could set guidelines down but everyone should be entitled to negotiate their contract.
If the mechanics are having a problem with contracting out then maybe they should be more productive. In my 30 years of experience in industry not only is it cost but even mechanics must be productive in all industries. For example if they take a hour job and turn it into a four hour game then guess what happens. In all fairness here has the company been supplying the men with the tools and the resources they need to get the job done. It needs good management and Toronto and a lot of other cities have lacked good management for a long time. Anyhow back to work legisation in this instance is required. People should spend more time attacking the ineptness of their local politicians.
Tom
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How is the TTC a life and death situation if they strike.
Hospital workers and police officers I can understand. As if they were on strike lives would be on the line.
But the TTC??? I'm sorry but Toronto people being inconvenienced doesn't strike me as life or death. But then again the way some of the people are responding on here. Makes you wonder.
Though as someone in customer support in a non unionized job. I so wish I had a union. As the public has got to have restraints on how they deal with someone providing a service.
It's not alright to hit someone or to attack someone. Physically or verbally. Unfortunately people in jobs that offer a public service. Deal with this all the time.
bev
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S.Grosbein
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As for the TTC, transit union reps bargained in bad faith. They should have been out selling their deal to members. Instead, they didn't feel a need to finish the shift and let people get home. Guess they felt a need to flex muscle. For shame!
Sara
MB
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Union brother Steve
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As for all the whiners out there that complain about strikes disrupting the public and union bosses only looking out for their members...well, Hmmm, let's see... strikes are supposed to disrupt the public and union bosses work for the union members and not the public.
My guess is that the whiners wish they were in a union.
Dave
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James
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Patrick, your numbers are completely wrong.
The actual figure is more like, for every 1 rude passenger, there are at least 100 perfectly fine passengers.
This action by the workers is disgusting. Every single on of them should be fired. The TTC needs to clean house desperately.
Jane Doe
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a person living paycheque to paycheque
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Janet Fowlow
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Mick (walking in TO)
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Joan Delmage
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I am a transport driver and I would not take a job driving for the TTC with the abuse they have to take.
As far as I am concerned the media has been too one sided with coverage against the drivers. No one has heard of the drivers who gave people rides and would NOT take a fare because they knew people were going to be upset and were trying to help those that were stranded. Why don't the people that were helped let the rest of Toronto know.
Don't get me wrong I am not a union person ever since the teamster union sold my job down the river years ago. I know of a number of drivers that were threatened by passengers over this strike and forced to drive where these people wanted them to go. We have a real civilized society don't we.
TP
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Let's think about what we do each and every day. We drive you around..SAFELY. Most of us work in BOTH rush hours. That means plenty of traffic.
Have you ever watched your TTC driver and how they operate their vehicles? Have you ever noticed they are continually watching everything going on around them? NO? You are too busy talking on your cell phone distracting the entire bus, or reading your book, or listening to your music at a tone so loud the entire bus hears it through your head phones.
I go to work at 6:30 a.m and I finish work at 7:00 p.m. I'm in bed about 9:00 or 9:30 p.m. because I need to be rested. I get told off because I'm 3 minutes late by YOU the riding public. Have you any idea what it's like to move that vehicle through traffic in this city?
I have the ONLY job in the world that does not allow for any mistakes. How many can you make in your job and not get fired?
We're uneducated are we? Many of us have University and College educations. We made the decision to be bus drivers. At times like this when you insult us, we have to ask why.
We may remember those of you who are kind to us, but we remember those of you who aren't more.
Each and every one of you needs to apply for the job and do it. Walk a mile in our shoes.
It's not about the money! That is what you don't get. You don't know the issues.
You also don't get our jobs. You think we are lazy and uneducated.
Your assumptions disgust me.
Mike
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As for the timing of the strike - unbelievably unfair. Let's say you have a job that starts early in the morning, and as such, go to bed early - only to wake up and find that you have no way to get to work. How fair is that?
This is also another shining example of Mr. Moscoe proving his ineptness to the masses. Comparing TTC operators to police officers? Get real, Howard. Police officers have to enrol in, and graduate from a law enforcement program, and their lives are put on the line all day, every day. No matter how tough you want to make a TTC operator's job look, it's a ridiculous comparison.
My question is: if there's THAT much overtime available...shouldn't they be hiring more people, rather than paying close to $50 per hour, to a ticket taker?
Another poster commented that her father had to deal with the rowdies from his position in a glass booth. Is not a clerk at your local convenience store doing pretty much EXACTLY the same job, WITHOUT the glass booth, and being paid a fraction of the salary?
Time for a house-cleaning at the TTC. Short-term pain for long-term gain.
Angry Torontonian
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Brian
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Shankar_Mississauga.
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Can you please put a stop to this first and last.
Thanks.
charles
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The Toronto Transit Commission, a municipally owned public transit company was on strike less than 24 hours; the province recalled the legislature on a SUNDAY to PASS BACK TO WORK LEGISLATION.
In case you said, yes but we had an election during that time, the writ of election was published on Saturday, 27 October 2007 which means that the house could have met anytime after that to pass back to work legislation.
Just shows who runs the province
Just an Idea
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Of course the guards would have to be uniquely qualified to deal with the rowdy teenagers, smokers, etc... But these are details.
The bonus is that we'll be employing more people that are specialized in their respective jobs. A driver should not have to be a bouncer too.
CP
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Everyone deserves the right to be safe on the job and since these people also provide a service that requires keeping millions of other people safe on a daily basis, I am fully supportive of their actions.
I bet that many of the pompous and irate comments have come from those people who never use the transit system anyway!!
Philip
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James
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Brad
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Yes, unions can turn evil, but no more so than those on the other side. They balance the power - good and bad.
woody
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Erin Thomson
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I live in Scarborough and now I'm going to have to spend 40 dollars (every day this week) on a cab ride that I could be saving to pay my tuition and living expenses.
Just great!
MIKE
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If TTC requires more money to make these changes get the money from Large Corporations which rely on TTC to get thier employes to work TTC is an investment by the city not to be taken litely union are required but should be regulated and responsible for actions taken, 48hr notice should be manditory for all unions, or strikes like this should be deamed illegal. Responsibility should go to unions for damages to economic stability and city revenues. It's a dog eat dog world and if these changes can be made, people have to get with the times.
JM
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TG
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Please make the TTC an essential service. Enough is enough. There are people in this city who don't have the resources to hope in a cab and off they go. Perhaps it's time to become more realistic about this situation.
Sally
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Canadien
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Worth every penny!
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Matthew
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I hate you TTC
Sonia
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Having said that, it still doesn't excuse the constant threat of striking and holding an entire city, especially its most vulnerable, hostage. I agree with the commenters who say TTC workers are entitled to a decent wage, but they are already paid well above average, not to mention the benefits they receive!
Furthermore, I think what's really at issue here is the suddenness of the strike. It left many of us stranded in the middle of the night, with an half-hour warning?! The TTC union is very, very lucky, perhaps unfortunately so, that no one was hurt, assulted, or killed Friday night due to being stranded by the strike. That has done absolutely nothing in gaining public sympathy.
Kelly Ann
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Emmerich Banga
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