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Date: Sat. Apr. 26 2008 10:30 PM ET

Ontario's opposition parties say they will support an order brought forward by the governing Liberals to end Toronto's transit strike.

The legislature will reconvene for an emergency sitting on Sunday afternoon to vote on the back-to-work legislation.

Premier Dalton McGuinty said he was implementing the measure as soon as he learned TTC workers were walking off the job late Friday night.

The legislation means employees will return to the job in time for the Monday morning commute, CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss reported.

Opposition Leader John Tory immediately pledged co-operation to end what he called the "outrageous'' strike, but New Democrat Leader Howard Hampton refused to promise his support for the bill until late Saturday, saying he wanted to see it first.

"We should let the parties bargain,'' said Hampton, who could have delayed passage of the bill for at least a day or two if he chose not to support the plan.

Later in the day, Hampton told reporters he approved the bill because of its similarity to one the party supported to end a garbage strike in Toronto in 2002.

The legislation would impose fines of $2,000 per individual and $25,000 for a union or employer per day.

All outstanding issues would be referred to a mediator or arbitrator and both sides would have five days to agree on who that individual is or the government will appoint someone. The arbitrator would have to consider such things as the city of Toronto's ability to pay.

Transit riders stunned

Commuters awoke to a transit system at a standstill after workers rejected a contract offer and suddenly went on strike.

"There's no streetcars, no subway, no buses," Brad Ross, a Toronto Transit Commission spokesman, told CTV Newsnet on Saturday morning.

The 8,900 members of the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 113 -- which represents maintenance workers and operators -- walked off the job at midnight, leaving people stranded.

"We were of course were quite surprised by this," Ross said.

Previously, the union had committed to giving 48 hours notice.

"Wonderful," security guard Sean Patenaude said late Friday night when learning of the walkout. "It's going to screw up a heck of a lot of people trying to get to and from their jobs, it's going to cause a lot of economic hardship and a lot of personal hardship," he said.

"It's unforgivable really, you can't hold the entire transit population of the city hostage on a whim and that's what it's starting to feel like."

Union president Bob Kinnear cited the safety of his members, saying it trumped the public's right to advance notice.

"We have assessed the situation and decided that we will not expose our members to the dangers of assaults from angry and irrational members of the public," he said.

Kinnear had warned people a week ago that a strike was imminent, but then the union reached a deal with the City of Toronto around suppertime last Sunday.

TTC chairman Adam Giambrone was disappointed by the unexpected labour disruption taken by transit employees.

"The contract itself is a fair contract," he told CTV Newsnet on Saturday. "It offered fare wage increases, benefit increases, a commitment to deal with the pension issues the union had, and it's going to be very difficult because there is no more money to put on the table"

Giambrone suggested infighting among the union caused the sudden strike move.

"On behalf of the TTC, we want to apologize to our riders, apologize to Toronto," Giambrone said.

"This took us by surprise on Friday night. We'll do the best to work with the premier and work with the city to make this situation as painless as possible, recognizing the incredible inconvenience that people have, especially since the union refused to honour its 48-hour commitment."

Commuters stranded

The walkout left hundreds of thousands of commuters stranded on Saturday, forcing them to make last-minute plans to get to work and get around the city.

There were a number of large events taking place, including a Toronto Raptors playoff game, a Toronto FC soccer game and the Green Living Show at Exhibition Place. The two sold-out sports events alone bring about 40,000 people into the downtown core.

A spokesperson for Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, which owns the Raptors and TFC, estimated up to 50 per cent of their fans normally take the TTC to games.

With the expected increase in traffic, Toronto police asked motorists to remain patient during the strike.

Taxi companies, meanwhile, were experiencing a backlog of calls as business increased because of the labour dispute.

Contract details

In a press release early Saturday, the TTC outlined the highlights of the negotiated settlement that was rejected.

"Nowhere in the agreement did the TTC request any concessions from the union," said the press release.

  • Term: three years, expiring March 31, 2011
  • Wages: April 1, 2008 -- 3 per cent; April 1, 2009 -- 3 per cent; April 1, 2010 -- 3 per cent
  • Vision Care: $300 every two years; plus $50 for exams
  • Dental Care: major restorative, including implants up to $2,500
  • Orthodontic: up to $4,000 (50 per cent TTC coverage)
  • Physio & Chiro: $1,000 max ($35 per visit)
  • Long-term Disability: $2,550 max, per month

The TTC ratified the deal Wednesday and the union's leadership recommended ratification, but 65 per cent of the union's membership who attended the ratification meeting voted against the deal late Friday. Without a new offer by midnight, the union said it would go on strike.

The tentative agreement needed a 50 per cent vote plus one to be ratified. Officials from the TTC and union expected the deal to be accepted, but as the week went on, grumblings from 3,000 maintenance staff and 1,000 mechanics grew louder.

The workers expressed concern about job security and worried some work would be contracted out. They were also upset that the GTA clause, which guarantees TTC drivers will be the highest paid in the region, doesn't extend to them.

Toronto Mayor David Miller called the strike action "unacceptable" and "unnecessary."

"When you negotiate with an executive, you expect them to be able to sell the agreement to their membership," Miller told CTV Newsnet on Saturday afternoon.

"It's very difficult to negotiate and be at the table if the negotiations don't mean anything, and that's certainly what happened here.

"From my perspective, we made a very fair offer to the union, the union executive accepted it. The offer is consistent with recent industrial settlements both in the private sector and the public sector."

The Ministry of Labour called the two sides back to the bargaining table on Saturday afternoon, however, talks broke off by the early evening.

The TTC said there will be limited service for people who must get to critical medical appointments through its WheelTrans service.

Ross said people should bike, walk or share a ride if they can.

"But it's tough to give people advice when you have 1.5 million people every day who rely on the TTC to get where they're going. It's more than an inconvenience -- that word doesn't quite describe it."

Miller had said commuters should be "very concerned" about their Monday morning commute, saying the city's contingency plan would be in effect on Monday if the strike hasn't been resolved.

Meanwhile, Giambrone said it was too early to consider declaring the TTC an essential service.

"It's certainly something that I'll be reflecting on," he said. "I try to make decisions with considered thought and I don't want to make a decision in the heat of the moment. We've got a lot of issues to deal with right now."

Former TTC chairman Howard Moscoe, a city councilor, said it would be "a very serious mistake" for the city to declare transit an essential service. He said the move would cost the cash-strapped city even more money.

"Everything goes to compulsory arbitration, and the arbitrators, historically, have always been shown to favour support a union that does not have the right to strike," Moscoe told CTV Newsnet.

Moscoe said some 750 Toronto police officers earn more than $100,000 a year because they are an essential service.

He added transit fares would rise "substantially" to help pay the higher transit worker wages.

Next week, city council is expected to debate whether transit constitutes an essential service in Toronto.

With reports from CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss and Naomi Parness and files from The Canadian Press

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bobby
said

There is no place in a civilized society for unions any more. Last century - yes. Today - no.

They are run by self-centered egoists who could not care less for the public good.


Rickey
said

A transit system that strikes all the time is useless.


tom
said

Why should a ticket seller for the TTC make five times what a clerk at a store makes for doing essentially the same job with many less duties? Of course they are worried about contracting out services, they have prices themselves out of the market. The TTC union members should be ashamed of themselves.


MB
said

That may be true, but these folks have as much a right to safety and to earn a decent living as the next guy. Lets not forget that McGuinty and Tory both voted themselves a 25% pay raise.


andy
said

This last minute strike is absolutely ridiculous and unforgivable, with gas prices go higher today the TTC is for some the affordable way to get around town. I say it is high time for the province to declare the TTC an essential service!


John in London
said

I agree bobby, 100%. No self-respecting person would be a member of a union.

They are nothing but greedy. Look what they did to the automotive industry. Now they want to do it to public transit?

Don't bite the hand that feeds you or you can start lining up at the unemployment office like your manufacturing buddies, once you have prices yourselves out of the market.


Pete
said

Another example of unions that have long ago outlived their usefullness. That these people can hold an entire city hostage is criminal. Follow Reagan's lead - Fire every one one of them and give the jobs to people who want to work.


Ian Yellowknife
said

Greed and the fact that there are no real skills involved in City transport make this strike a ransome on the hardworking skilled people of toronto. But really Toronto is canada's Pompeii where morality, honesty and justice don't apply.


Sarah
said

Bus drivers are uneducated and unskilled workers. They should count their blessings that they don't make minimum wage.

Any hack can drive a bus. Fire the lot of them and bring in someone a little more greatfull.

I am so sick of these pple who work off the public dime, and keep showing up with their caps in hands for more money.

Why should they get $30/hour to drive a bus.


Mark Petryczka
said

Unions are needed more than ever! This so-called civilized society only takes care of corporations and politicians. Everyone else is slowly being squeezed into poverty. Instead of trying to dismantle existing unions, people should be looking into ways of setting up unions in there workplace, so that they can also enjoy the benefits of cost-of-living protection. Misery loves company i guess.


D.D.
said

Unions have caused all our economic woes today. Greed, Greed the downfall of man! While we accept unions, we will not survive.


Doug
said

Public transit should not only be deemed an essential service to avoid this type of action, it must be expanded province wide and community to community. We, as drivers, as constantly blamed for using our cars yet the transportation system was set up in a way that gives us no choice but to use our cars.


M J Weir
said

The unexpected benefit of this precipitous strike action - and the reckless stranding of citizens committed to using the TTC to return home last night - is that we will never again have to suffer another TTC strike , or ever have to watch Mr. Kinnear's hairstyle on TV again, since these workers will now swiftly lose the right to strike.




JC
said

One word: Privatize
The union members know that we are not taxpayers, but taxsuckers, and all the city needs to do is raise taxes (again, ..and again)


J.C.
said

This is one of the reasons we use a car to get to work. Transit is not dependable in my view.
People who live paycheck to paycheck cannot afford to miss time at work for these interruptions.


Stephen
said

I've worked in public transit and it is no picnic. Most people would not put up with the abuse that transit workers have to take every day from the public they serve. They deserve to be compensated appropriately and protected from an increasingly violent ridership.


Julie
said

The union rejected the contract because of wording in it, safety for its members, the arranged split of the union between drivers, collectors, maintenance staff and because of Bob Kinnear. It had nothing to do with the monetary issues. I agree they should have finished service for yesterday, but then again, we are dealing with an executive that have their heads high above the clouds.


TimT
said

What is Bob Kinnear thinking? If he's worried about the public's reaction to a -possible- strike, what does he think the public's reaction is going to be now that they stranded everybody last night without notice?

That was a low blow to Toronto, and I hope they pay for that.


jessicarabie
said

This is absolutely unforgivable. They are self centred and do not consider other people's problem. They should be ashamed of themselves for asking more. let them do strike for a months and see if they survive.


Angry woman who can't get around this weekend!!!
said

This strike should be considered illegal. How can public transit be considered anything but an essential service?

When the transit system went on strike in MTL a couple years back there were huge consequences for the people living in the city. For example, many elderly missed their doctor appointments. Others called ambulances for non-life threatening injuries and health complications as they had no other way of getting to the hospital.

The TTC is holding us hostage and it's completely unacceptable.

The union needs to be taken apart and the employees should be given the choice to either work or walk. It would not take long to replace those that choose to walk.


JPF
said

I don't even live in Toronto and I'm sick of reading about TTC strikes every 6 months. Just declare it and all public transit systems necassary services and do not allow them to strike. This is happening so often it is beyond silly.


Tania
said

Completely unacceptable …


Ryan
said

I wish I had a Union like the Amalgamated Transit Union, they care for their workers ensuring they earn a decent standard of living that the City refuses to give them. A lot more place ought to be union. Us working people need protection from those vultures.


rob
said

What do you say fellow citizens, should we launch a class action lawsuit against the union and the corporation (city of toronto) for lost wages productivity and lost jobs? It is about time we stand up to all these unions and empty their pockets the way they empty ours.
Why do most of us have to pay for their benefits(civil servants) when we can hardly afford our own, this should be challenged in the supreme court of Canada, our taxes pay for their benefits, should we not be entitled to these benefits equally?
p.s. I hope we can all help our fellow citizens get to work so they do not lose their source of income the ones that will be hit the hardest are the 30% who live at or below the poverty line! Does anyone care?


Fat Tony
said

The union called the strike without the usual 48 hour warning. This shows a lack of good faith in the bargaining process. Because of this, the TTC should be declared an essential service and lose the right to strike. If the union can not operate in a responsible manner, this should be the result.


Mike Mike
said

If it were not unions, people would not have pensions, family allowances, public health care, etc. (CCF, Tommy Douglas) Unions are needed to prevent fat cats like Conrad Black from getting richer and using common people as their pawns. Lots of luck to the TTC workers. Power to the working man.


E.Haryett
said

I think it is despicable that they shut down last night leaving people stranded.What were they thinking?





colleen
said

TTC employees should be grateful for the cushy jobs they have when so many people are working for minimum wage with no benefits at all, with the same qualifications.

And about the safety issue, I don't buy that the strike is because of safety issues, if there was a legit concern they could pull those routes until the situation is sorted.

To 'MB' there is no comparison between the 25% pay rise McGuinty introduced for themselves and TTC drivers and ticket booth attendants. Two totally different job descriptions and levels of responsibility.


Jonathan
said

Don't blame the union, the union is the workers, the union helps empower workers. Blame them for wanting raises that stay in tune with the cost of living? Blame them for wanting safer work conditions?

If you saw the wages and conditions that some of our foreign car companies had built there cars you could see the bigger picture as to how the big 3 were undersold. They may have gotten lazy in building good cars but thats another story.

The rich get richer and poor get poorer. Why should a sales clerk in the TTC make more than the Sales Clerk at a convenience store? They should get paid the same except that I think the TTC clerk stands up to her employer and is part of a stronger group of her brothers and sisters.

Unions fight for better wages, working conditions etc. and this keeps better workers. To me, working withouth a union is like driving without a seatbelt. It's not perfect but it keeps things alot safer.


Eliza
said

"We have assessed the situation and decided that we will not expose our members to the dangers of assaults from angry and irrational members of the public," ...What about the public safety? People were stranded unexpectedly. I say fire them all, and rehire. I too would love to earn over $100,000 collecting tickets.


sandra couchie
said

the union gives the workers a voice and protects them. it overlooks health and safety and working standards. good for the local for standing strong together and fighting for there rights as workers.


pepe
said

Bobby, if it was not for the Unions, we all be working for minimun wages, in this gready world world we live in.
Have you notice the price of fuel?


Amit
said

If TTC employee has some problem with their department. They should solve in the office not on road. Why common man is suffer. If person is sick and he want to go hospital. How can he go to hospital.In civil society there is no place of strick of essential services.


ross mac
said

TTC worker are overpaid and everybody knows that. In this economy a lot of people are willing to work with the amount of money making their making and they are not even high school graduates. Shame on the union for putting hardship on a lot of people. Fire them all and give the jobs to the people who wants to work


Bob
said

Dear Parlment member of ontario,
Hi,
My name is bob,i work in chain store and earn $9.00. i wish i had union to strike and rising my wage after 5 years. Most of my coworker are immigrants and used public transit and after strike by TTC, we are facing many problems.
what shall we do to come canada for better life!
Your truly


TP
said

If you think the jobs are so cushy...we're hiring...APPLY! You will find out just what truly is involved.

We don't expect the public to have any sympathy right now..but trust me...the issues are deeper than any of you know and money has nothing to do with it.



om
said

these city people have no idea what it is to be a farmer where ya can be glad if ya make a buck a day, and they're not satisfied if they get their dentist & medical bills paid??? rediculous!!!


Chris
said

Having the TTC on strike just isn't good for the city, period, no but's or and's.

But that aside, I do agree with the workers going on strike with little or no notice. Anyone who works in customer service, or in any job that has to deal with the public in general will know how rude and irate customers can be (and in certain cases can result in assault too). I've been in customer service for 2 years and seen and heard it all.

As for the TTC having a union... I think unions are dated. There is nothing wrong in this day in age to have a workplace with extreme high turnover rate, if you want to reduce the high turn over rates, you'll have to provide better working conditions. So this will give the business a choice whether to do so or not.

In closing, I hope this strike is a short lived one.



Mickey
said

I work for ten bucks an hour with no benefits. I work a straight eight hour shift with no break. I work in a miserably cold and damp basement and it takes me hours to warm up again after work. My boss occassionally offers me a cup of tea to warm up, but I have to pay for it. I am just not feeling the transpo drivers pain that makes them believe that they are so hard done by that they should have the right to inconvienence 1.5 million people.


Scott
said

The Liberal leaning left cater to Unions. The people of Toronto continue to vote for Liberal and NDP Candidates at the Federal, Provincial and Municipal Level. Hence, the people of Toronto have made their bed and at times, must sleep in it. Luckily, McGuinty will get them back to work by Tuesday.


Brian
said

That's the breaking of the ice I think that the TTC should be declared an essential service, the contract was fare and look out how many other people don't get paid $30 an hour or something around that mark. Also they could have let service run till 1:30 AM to let the people get home it just shows that they want to inconvience us. Also they kind of prejudged Toronto by saying many people would abuse TTC, also I have noticed that they're are some rude TTC Drivers and that may escalate things. Also I sometimes feel unsafe on the TTC once I almost got kicked in the face because someone didn't pay their fare and jumped the fare gates nearly hitting many people. In addition, there has been a lot of smoking on TTC Bus Platforms, and even sometimes Subway platforms and also people have been walking into stops through bus lanes and other non-entrance ways the rules say it comes with a $500 penalty why is no one getting written up/punished for there actions, etc. There need to be more police presence at subway stations


Sonny in Toronto
said

Privatizing won't do much if the bus/train drivers collectively decide to strike...in a monopoly situation.

I got out a club this morning...
Walking is still a way to get around.

Plus it is good exercise. Sonny


Sher
said

Why shouldn't the workers have a right to protect themselves? Are most people angry they don't have this kind of job protection? The obvious issue was not money but the "fine print" the TTC was probably hoping the workers wouldn't read. To say these workers are unskilled and uneducated just shows what kind of people these workers are servicing.
Do any of these politicians who are berating the union actually use public transit? I think not. David Miller said in his news conference last night to "walk or use a bicycle" but yet uses his City paid private car and driver. He does not use public transit. Will all of you be yelling when your taxes go up because you're paying for his gas?



bunny
said

They had a really good deal.What is wrong with them!!! greed


ET
said

at least they didn't do it on like a wednesday...there'd be even more people screwed over. but seriously, what a bunch of clowns!


Linda
said

Although I don't agree with an illegal strike or the fact that they didn't give any notice, I do think they deserve more than minimum wage and should be compensated accordingly. The TTC staff need to keep 1.5 million people safe everyday. They aren't lacking in education or else we would see the buses, streetcars and subway trains crashing every 5 minutes. I think we need to be a little more supportive instead of critical for these people who allow us to navigate this city easily.


Lillian Smith
said

I use the TTC all the time but I support their right to strike.

Unions are needed now more than ever. GM had a Union which provided a decent living for Canadian families.

GM and other companies like them are moving production from North America and opening shop in third-world countries where they can pay slave wages and not worry about environmental or labour laws.

In Ontario alone GM Canada received $170 million of our tax dollars (Corporate Welfare for one of the richest Corporations in the World). Ford and Chrysler received similar amounts in 2007.
Less than six months later they were closing down plants and shifts and throwing Canadians out of work.
So why did the politicians give them our tax money for?

It apparently was a no strings attached Welfare handout to rich private Companies.

Unfortunately in our Corporate controlled Media only one side of the picture is presented.

Corporate Greed never makes the news.


JG
said

Both the union and management of the TTC treat the taxpayers of this city as "cash cow" with bottomless pockets. It's time that the TTC was run as business and made to stand on its own two feet. They all need to return to reality, accountability and come an understanding of what a dollar is worth today.


Mike
said

If TTC workers want better pay then they should go back to school and pick up some real skill sets. Unions result in low skill workers being paid far more than there limited skill set is actually worth and are unbalancing to the work force as a whole. Time for these dinosaurs to go!


Mary T.
said

You can really pick out the union members here - they equate mindless jobs (like TTC fare collector and TTC driver) with running a province and want the pay raises to equate.

The issue is you have uneducated, unskilled and "almost" high-school gradutes in the TTC trying to bully the an educated society - it is like a parent negotiting with a child.

Read these posts and you see these union people still have an "us" versus "them" mentality - rich versus poor, corporate versus poor-me the worker.

Back to Work legislation, Essential service on the way - thanks Bobby Kinnear, for making Miller do what he didn't have the courage to do in the first place.



Brian
said

I don't know, that sounded like a pretty unfair package they offered them, LOL - note the sarcasm.

Unions are the problem with our society and will ultimately be the downfall of our economy.

Those who are pro-union and lose their jobs with corporations forced to relocate to affordable countries have only themselves to blame.

One day people will wake up and realize that a job that pays well and includes good benefits is something that you have to work hard for and is a privilage, not a right.

Unions = an atmosphere that instills laziness and cause employees to take things for granted.

Not to mention the absolute childeshness that happens around strikes when someone dares cross the line (and be a responsible employee, to support their family) and jerks treat them as though they're scum for doing so. Grow up people and learn that life and hard work go hand and hand. Get a new job if you don't like what you have.


Allan Eizinas
said

Bring in the army troops!!

They are busy elsewhere, you say?

Pity.



Union guy
said

Mickey:
So your job sucks, and instead of wanting a union to help improve your lot in life, you want everyone else's job to suck just like yours? Hmmm...


paul
said

There is a way unions can work.

In the Netherlands, when public transit workers go on strike, buses keep running, but no fare is collected.

This way they don't inconvenience the public, and they hit their employers where it hurts..... their pocketbooks. The public in some cases will actually come out in support of the unions.

Of course, in order for this to work here, we will need a legislative framework that will support these types of non-confrontational industrial action.

Unions in North America are too belligerent and arrogant. They invite a lot of ill-will from the public by using them as pawns, which is kind of self-defeating, considering that their opponent isn't really the public, but their employers.


Stuart
said

I am a union supporter, a New Democrat and a David Miller supporter but, as our mayor says, this kind of behaviour is totally unacceptable.

This union needs to realize that it has conducted itself in a way to guarantee that it will have no public sympathy whatsoever during this strike.

It's almost as though they wanted to drive away all public support.


Paul
said

The comments here are very saddening - lashing out at the unions just serves to further fighting within the working classes. Direct your anger at management, who are responsible for putting the unions in this position. And for the record: most union workers would love to have the perks of working in an essential service.


Richard
said

If the employent conditions are unacceptable, use the exit door.


MF
said

Bob Kinnear has proven himself to be completely inept as President of this militant union. The TTC should be declared an essential service and Mr. Kinnear should step down. If the ATU 113 wants to be respected (and supported) by the public it serves, it must be led by someone of greater sophistication.


David in Ontario
said

Fire them all and hire people who want to work for a living without a sense of entitlement


Paloma Radovski
said

Even tough we have one of the most expensive public transit systems in the world; we have unreliable schedules, rude drivers and ticket sellers and only two subway lines. It makes no sense. It is high time to privatize. Toronto is growing to be a 1st class city; we need a transit system to reflect it. Unions and politicians should be ashamed of what they are doing to us.

Paloma



Dan
said

Why are Unions always to blame for strikes? Maybe if the companies they are negotiating with negotiated fairly there wouldn't be any strikes.

Unions are called selfish and their members are told they are "lucky to have a job" and yet few people object to CEO's making millions upon millions of dollars to run the companies into the ground and still walk away with millions in severance packages.

Unions are still needed because of the bullying tactics used by some management on some of it's employees. Tactics that one person did to another they would be in trouble.

Why is it a company can make a profit but still lay people off because they did not reach the profit they expected? Try laying off the management who came up with these unrealistic profits first and then maybe there will be fewere strikes in the future.


Peter
said

My advice to Toronto Transit riders: If you're not happy with the union and this strike, let them know in no uncertain terms, but do it in a civilized fashion.


Liz
said

I make barely 10$ an hour in retail, and the TTC employees are paid well above min wage! Striking without warning to the public is in excusable and they cite safety concerns. People are naturally going to get angry with the public faces they see of the TTC with news of a strike and unjust demands. Most people, myself included work without job security because that is the North American way. Unions are necessary only to ensure safety and reasonability in the workplace. The TTC has gone beyond that now and is behaving like a spoiled teenager demanding more spending money from mom and dad. The union is the workers, and they voted down the agreement. People in retail get just as abused as the transit staff, so their demands are meaningless. SHAME ON THEM!


Rogers D
said

To Paul above who wrote:

'The comments here are very saddening - lashing out at the unions just serves to further fighting within the working classes. Direct your anger at management, who are responsible for putting the unions in this position. '

Sad because you don't agree with them? Or sad because you use the blame game by blaming 'management'? Oh right, that evil managament that pays you 30.hr to send your kids to university.

You miss the point,real working class people, (no, not TTC workers) hate over-paid workers who hide behind a monopoly.

You just proved Mary Ts point above - us versus them, unskilled and uneducated workers trying to make a case where there is none.
Now please quit your job which is so much of a burden with that evil management and find a private sector job - ya I know, you can't. :))


suzie
said

Let me tell u a story, new to Toronto and taking the subway transit is very convenient however I do find that asking for assistance and I try to ask a ttc employee a question on how to get somewhere its like they throw back this horrible attitude at me and its really very sad, once after asking a ttc employee a question he literally yelled back at me and this makes me come to a conclusion with their attitude its no wonder they cause people to treat them the same way back. Maybe ttc should consider training there staff to be a nicer too.


Lisa
said

Were it not for unions, group insurance health benefits would not exist today.

I'm not happy about the strike and am very TTC dependent, but I've also seen firsthand the abuse that workers have endured from the general public. I hope there will be a speedy and mutually satisfactory resolution. In the meantime, I'll be cycling and enjoying the weather.


ddq
said

Imagine this if you will...the ttc from sat. midnight to sunday midnight will have saved 10 million dollars. thats good de'nero isnt it? it's never about the people. Its always about the money. money is the root to all the ills we do unto each other.


Samantha Glass
said

I have a 2 1/5 month baby he needs to travel back and forth to Sick kids hospital.. I live in VAUGHAN how am I supposed to make sure my child gets to his appointments if I cant take thesubway down? My child as at steak and TTC could at least have offered less service knowing that there are people like me and others. =( I have to take the time to hopefully find someone who will drive me for little or no money. Thats hard becasue no one will I have tried the cost of Gas is too high and I cant offer that much money =(


Mr Chillz
said

I, myself, could never do their job. I see how stressful it is and I support them 100%.

How come we don't cry when politicians give themselves 15% increases in their pay?, and they are hardly working at all!!!




David
said

Toronto quit complaining about strikes and high taxes. Socialism is expensive! Toronto keeps voting for it at every level of government. You got what you voted for, now stop whining!


MJ
said

Oh my god there they go again the crying babies. It is time to get rid of these workers because this is unbelievable how could they do this. Make this an essential service give these jobs to people who need the most. The government has to stop this permanently


connie
said

All the blame of unions and greed aside, the issue is the lack of notice.
The public was told they would be provided 48 hours so riders can PLAN for alternatives!! This just further damages support for the union, and any claim of credibility in their arguments.
The move supposedly is to protect the union members...how does one gather that striking unexpectedly (which is enraging to say the least!) is safer for front line workers than giving even a little notice???
Union: "Thanks for the support public! We'll just stab you in the back when you're not looking."


Jamie
said

TTC employees deserve to make a decent living, with decent wages and benefits. Not sure what the gaps are between the two sides here but I hope they close the gap quickly.

I'm no unionist but I see their place in society.


Allan
said

I am a accountant in a small company. After spend three years and 10K dollars in college, now I make $15/H. I would like to take any job in TTC at 20% less salary. Can TTC union helps me?


Paul R
said

Bob Kinnear is a liar , he said he would give 48 hour notice of a strike and he gives 48 minutes.


HOMER
said

You will never see the TTC declared an Essential Service. You can't charge tax on an essential service. McGuinty will never give up that revenue.


John
said

TTC drivers and ticket takers are high school graduates who make 50 - 80 thousand a year. Who do they think they are to leave so many commuters stranded? Fire them and hire people who would appreciate the position. Enough is enough...


Lionel
said

TWO WORDS

ESSENTIAL SERVICE...

this is unfair, who the hell they think they are ???


AH
said

Canada and Provinces should work seriously to weed out all unions with no exception. The only job a union does is blackmailing governments and municipalities.


Kevin L
said

There's generally two ways to make money, get an education or get a trade. These people should pick one and stop demanding money for a job that requires neither.


Frank Buchan
said

I've worked for myself more than twenty years, and don't usually come close to the annual wages of a TTC worker. After taxes, expenses and such, I often have very little to create my own retirement package. I have no extended medical benefits I don't pay for out of pocket. I have a fair bit of education, but prefer to be in control of my own destiny. Some day I may reach a level of accomplishment beyond the drudgery of most union people, who essentially are stuck doing the same thing every day. I work extremely hard, and know I'm lucky to be moderately successful; I feel for the minimum wage workers across the country.

My point is that the problem today with unions is that they represent narrow interests in areas that frequently use the public at large as a hostage, all the while projecting a degree of entitlement to that public. One day working for themeselves and they would see that what they have, however imperfect, is a lot better than most...and maybe they would learn to show some respect to those who haven't the protection of a union.

What we need is a Federal labour code that makes unions unnecessary.


Doug BC
said

It's disappointing that they would strike suddenly,without giving the public any notice.I was involved in the transit strike in Vancouver.It was very inconvenient for all concerned.But at least the public was well informed.In advance.
It's also difficult to understand why so many people favour the elimination of good paying jobs in this country.
That's the difference between well paid union workers,and people working at low paying jobs.Union workers will work to raise the standards for ALL workers.People stuck in low paying industries would prefer to "lower the standards".That makes no sense.If you envy these workers,and their wages,get off your ass and go get one of these jobs.Either that,or have the guts to push your employer for a better deal.
Either way,there is a benefit for people in economies that have some decent paying work.And NO,most of the jobs in this industry are not that pleasant,or easy.
Having said that,I will criticize the TTC union for being so inconsiderate as to not give the public advance warning.Hopefully they are being reasonable i negotiations.To do any less is a clear case of extortion.Even as a union supporter,I cannot support radicals.



Anthony
said

I am not the biggest fan of Miller but I do have to agree with him that this TTC situation is totally unacceptable. The transit union has to wake up!

I hope that when they renegotiate, the mediator gets nasty and pretty much removes right to strike and makes a deal that will be a million times worse than what they negotiated. It's all greed that's it


Matt
said

Paul,
The anger at the TTC union isn't against the working class.
It's against greedy overpaid people who think stable jobs at $60k/yr just isn't enough.
As much as I think the TTC is important, when ticket takers are making more than many public service professionals, ie police or teachers, there is something wrong.

The people we should be worried about are those who don't make TTC wages, they're the ones who are getting hurt the most.


milan
said

I took a cab from downtown to yorkmills and I saw a Old lady waiting for TTC with two heavy bags and was unaware of the strike.... she had to go all the way to Markham.... I had to help her with my cell phone atleast she can call someone ... This is not a good deal at the end.... We are customers and the day we stop riding the TTC there would be no longer stike to get a good pay !!!! Guys stop it and let management decide and rest and can start the services . . . We cannot keep our own people suffering on street ....


David
said

I am a TTC driver and I must admit that I was very surprised by the outcome of the vote. I thought the contract would be accepted by a slim majority. Overall, I was not happy with the contract myself as many of the benefit increases listed did not take effect right away....some start in July of this year, some in 2009, 2010 and 2011 when the contract is almost over which is ridiculous (although as usual that fact is never published in the media.) The TTC had included a "Top Up" for injured workers, but then set up a panel to review all claims for the top up even if the claim was accepted by WSIB. If you are injurd on the job the top up should be automatic, and what if the TTC declined the top up (as they would probably do as it costs them money?) The claim would then go to arbitration. There were many other points in the contract that were unsatisfactory for the maintenance departmant as well. Should the TTC be an essential service? Absolutely, but then that is a political decision that has been bouncing around for years. Please remember that a TTC driver may be your only contct with the TTC, but there are thousands of administrative people that you don't see who get paid as well and most better than drivers. I have been on the job almost 28 years and I initially took it because I was starting a family and wanted job security. Please don't complain that I make more money than you, or have better benefits than you or that I am uneducated (I have both University and College education.) In that regard I really don't care what you think as you don't know me personally.
If you think the job of a driver is so easy why don't you do what I did...apply. The TTC employment office is at 1138 Bathurst Street..just north of Dupont on the west side of Bathurst. BTW, the failure rate is around 25%. Hopefully this will be settled soon.



ender
said

I unfortunately work within a Union myself, and it's dated. The time for unions are up, and those that are in 'support' of them are probably victims in the majority of areas in their life. Gas is @ 120. The union is just trying to force an even better hand. I hope this somehow bites the strikers in the a$$.


Patrick
said

wow it's ashame that everyone is bashing the TTC drivers, and its unfortuneate that you don't understand both sides of the storey. There are hundreds of stories of drivers being beaten, some being stabbed, and others spit on, so yeah their right to safety trumps 48 hours notice, obviously. Until you work for the TTC you don't know what those guys have to put up with, and just because you may not be rude and abusive to drivers, there are 10 people for you that are.

Quit being so judegmental, I know its an inconvienence, but suck it up, they have a right to be safe.


Stella
said

If TTC workers obtain special protections via the Ministry of Labour, there should also be protection in the Labour Act for any employee who is unable to get to work during a strike. Employers can then send the bill for wages to Dalton McGuinty.



Nicola
said

On the TTC website one of the slogans is " We're serious about your safety"

The irony is if they really were "serious" about " our safety" then why would they have a strike midnight on a friday night?. When many Torontonians are out and about. Past midnight in most cases. A majority of them are relying on ttc as a source of transport to go back home. Having an unannounced strike which the union commuted to giving 48 hours notice. Leaves these people stranded and their saftey in jeapordy. So when ttc says "We're serious about your saftey", one can really question what that means.


Luigi
said

Your all jealous!!!!!!! I work for a union and am very well payed!!!!




Mahbubul Haque
said

I am really surprised to see why there is not any transit system other than TTC. By being the only one transit system in Toronto they are playing with millions of peoples rights. I know for each region there is always one transit system. But with TTC union going onto the strike or threatening to go on strike government should think about some alternate transit system.


Lucia
said

did the TTC think about the abuse and harassment they will receive after this strike is over?


Michelle C.
said

To everyone who says public transit bus drivers are unskilled and uneducated:

I'd like to see you drive a huge city bus for 8 hours a day, every day, in the congested downtown city traffic without an accident. Not to mention the abuse some bus drivers face each day. Just because you sit in a cushy chair behind a desk all day working at what you call a "real job" doesn't make you better than anyone else. These people work hard for their money, probably much harder than you and they don't get the chance to go for a coffee whenever they want, or take a 2 hour business lunch whenever they want.

Have some appreciation for those who sweat each day to get you to and from your "real job" safe and sound!

I for one support any action that will give these workers the recognition they deserve.


Thomas Chan
said

This is absolutely "THE NO WAY" not the 'THE BETTER WAY". Every now and then when the contract expires, there comes the anxiety of the possibility of strike threat. I am totally fed up with this. Go ahead to draft the "Back to work" Legislation now and the "Essential Service" after with a view to giving Torontonians a permanent relieve of this irrespnosible and unnecessary strike.


Thomas Chan
said

To: Maintenance Workers of the TTC

There is no such thing as 100% guarantee job security in the reality, like any other jobs, take it or leave it, or BYOB---Be Your Own Boss. Be realistic!


Cindy
said

TTC= TAKE THE CAR


Mayank
said

Very good plan to get them to be made essential service...hmm wonder how much more money is this going to cost the city tax payers....


Ian
said

This is despicable. Leaving the city hostage like this with no notice. Time to make the TTC an essential service.


CM
said

I don't understand why the provincial govt can legislate the union back to work but according to Gambrione it would bankrupt the city to have the TTC declared an essential service. What is the difference?

In Europe the unions have learned to cooperate with the governments in order to keep working. After all if they price themselves out of the market they lose their jobs and no one is further ahead.

Again like Europe, the bus drivers could be completely encased in a cubicle where they couldn't be attacked.

Unions are BIG business just like corporations, especially for the top guys and they use the workers as a means of getting more money.

Shayna
said

I understand the frustration and shock around the sudden strike. I, myself am very frustrated about it, but for everyone who are bashing unions and saying how these drivers are greedy obviously don't know what the hell they're talking about. The strike has absolutely nothing to do with the driver's pay, it has to do with the fact that the mechanics are concerned that the repairs on new buses would be done under warranty and that there would be a great job loss among them. Another reason for the strike is that, even though the drivers are getting paid more (which they do deserve, by the way, because they drive 1000s of people around everyday and are still people with families and need money just like the rest of us. And for all of you calling THEM ungrateful? Look at yourselves! They drive you people around everywhere all day for very little money.) The rest of the TTC workers feel they also deserve to get paid as much since they also work in one of the most expensive, biggest cities in the world.

As you can plainly see, the strike has nothing to do with the drivers wanting more money, so before you rant about how stupid unions are and about how greedy drivers are, a word of advice: think before you type.


ERS
said

Well I have an idea, if this is about safety, then put them in plexiglass enclosures, that would satisfy their safety concerns, then they can't demand safety pay any longer. I wonder if their safety request is taken care of, would they stop demanding more pay, my assumption is NO, because then they would demand more pay for being enclosed.

Heather
said

Civilized society? Reading these comments, I hardly think so.

The workers have not rejected the offer because they're greedy, they're looking for safety in their jobs! How many of you can say that you feel truly unsafe each and every time you go to work? My dad worked as a collector in the subway for about 5 years and he suffered abuses, attacks and threats on a DAILY basis. How would you feel being the sole person in a glass booth in the early morning booth surrounded by threatening and abusive (and probably drugged) people, without the guarantee that when you call for help someone is going to come to assist you?

Is the strike unfair and inconvenient? ABSOLUTELY. But I'd rather spare people like my dad the daily abuses and threats from such an UNCIVILIZED public, than send them to work in very dangerous circumstances!

You all should be ashamed of yourselves, carrying on like that.

AgentJacek
said

Today union=communism.

I would buy striking union workers one way tickets to Cuba and exchange them for those who would appreciate free economy.

ren ty
said

I challenge HONORABLE MAYOR MILLER AND THE CITY COUNCIL to immediately considering TTC An ESSENTIAL SERVICE, thus it will clip the arrogance of the TTC union members in their privilege to strike.
We dont want to be taken hostages just because their own personal interest were not provided to them.

And I dont believe they are treated as second class citizens, in fact on the contrary they are considered world class citizens with the benefits and perks they are enjoying. Imagine one ttc employee alone can even earn as much as 100 thousand per annum salary? TTC UNION members should be considerate of their demands and be realistic!! Lots of Torontonians live at poverty line level, and they are the ones subsidizing all your perks thru taxes!!

Grace
said

I think that if the Union was really concerned with the safety of the workers like they stated in their arguments for a strike. Then they should not have left them to empty out the stations at midnight with angry customers, some in which had been drinking. They should have waited till their normal close time and not left people stranded all over the city with 40 min notice!!!!!!! It was a very dangerous situation to leave those working in. They should not have been forced into that position.

jessicarabie
said

NO more deal to these greedy people. Even if they succeed in getting their demand, make sure that this do not fall on comman people by raising ttc fare and putting more taxes.

Nigel
said

I feel that the ttc should have continued service until 1:30 so the riders could get home. I feel the average ttc employee is decent and tries to do a good job. I've seen nice and nasty ttc employees on the buses. But I've seen way more people drunk, or irate about something in their lives taking it out on the drivers everyday. That must get to you. I know it would get to me after a while and maybe I'd be jaded and irate too. As to people smoking, or urinating in the stations.... well if you see someone doing that, stand up for yourself and say something to them. Or are you afraid you might take a beating? Welcome to the ttc workers world. I'm stranded because I live far from work and I hope this is soon resolved. But I wish the union luck. As to the bitter people out there,... if it weren't for unions you might not be making that $9/hr. Corporate america looks to their bottom line first, and I am certain that if they had it their way you would be making $7 or less.


Ari
said

I am not personally affected by the TTC strike. Nonetheless, I have got nothing else to say rather than: SHAME ON ALL YOU TTC UNION MEMBERS.
Today's competitive business world has no place for unions and their threatening tactics, but to our missfortune with the leftists we have running Toronto City Hall there is no one to show the unions that they are history now. In fact the union is somehow right compering their wages to the city clerks who all get exessive salaries for little or no work at all, wages that the we the Toronto citizens pay thruogh their taxes.
It's time now that the Privincial Government intervenes immediately with back to work legislation before Monday. After that there have to be drastic measures on the TTC workers and possibly firing all of them. The test whether they are getting a fair salary is this: advertise to getting new employees not with today's wages they have but with what they had 5 years ago, and then see whether they will be able to fill all of the positions probable within a month or so. That's a fair market value and not trying to bring the city on its knees with revolutionary leftist tactics.
Toronto needs to change and be more business oriented, TTC has got a lot of work ahead to restore public confidence and faith in the system.


Carl
said

The few people who bothered to vote in the last municipal election voted for the socialist candidate, David Miller.
All of us are now 'benefiting' from this decision.

The people of Toronto are well aware transit workers are already vastly overpaid but Mr. Miller wants to give them more .. but apparently what was offered was not enough. Mr. Miller continues to think ridiculously high wage levels and benefits should continue to reward surly and uncoperative 'workers'. Of course, he has a city provided car and driver which he can - and will - continue to utilize.

If these 'workers' don't like the wages and benefits on offer, let them find employment more to their liking elsewhere.

Back to work legislation must include a clause declaring transit workers anywhere in Ontario 'essential' and include hefty penalties for disobeying or ignoring that clause. The legilation should also set realistic wages and benefits that taxpayers can afford. A good start would be to reduce the current wage rate by one-third and freeze benefits at existing high levels.


Frustrated with Torontonians
said

TTC employees have their "charter of rights and freedoms" How do you like it so far? All you snooty Toronto liberals can now get a piece of your own medicine. How dare you demand these people be forced back to work! You demand your minuscule rights about everything yet you deny others as long as your are being directly affected. ARGH!!

Pat
said

OK,everybody.. here are the facts as I observed them for twenty years riding the TTC.. these men and women are not just driving a vehicle.. they are dealing with absurd other drivers.. cutting in front of them, coming out suddenly from side streets, putting on their brakes unexpectedly in front of a bus full of passengers.. irate and ignorant passengers demanding their rights for no apparent reason.. getting threatened by drug addicted teenagers and sometimes getting hurt by them, having to deal with split shifts.. work, go home, go back to work.. and on and on.. I say good for them ! Good that we have unions fighting for our rights.. good that the government is looking bad and yes, I will be inconvenienced, but I don't care.. because this is what freedom is all about.. fighting for and getting our rights!


Hitch a ride...
said

Hitch a ride with those Toronto snobs driving their overpriced vehicles I'm sure they are tired of talking on their cells trying to look like they have importance and would appreciate speaking to real "working Canadians" eh Jack?!

Bob
said

From what I heard last night, the sticking point now (WHY WASN'T IT BROUGHT UP BEFORE!!!!) is that for the new buses coming in, they want to use the warranty period on it by having the seller (or their mechanics) fix the vehicles. I don't see this as a bad idea. And here's why. Unless the mechanics are as fully informed on the maintenance of the new vehicles, they should NOT be allowed to train on them if WE THE PEOPLE are going to be riding them. Now, I'm not saying they don't know what they are doing, or that the vehicles will be unsafe, but, the new vehicles should not be used as a learning place. I think a plan halfway between would be good. The TTC guys can work on MOST of the vehicle (which should be the same as all others) and ASSIST for the first year with engine and specialized maintenance with ONE or TWO other mechanics brought in from the seller. This CAN work. Plus, warranty periods are small. If this is about JOB SECURITY, as was stated last night, this is stupid, since, in 2 years the period will be up...and they'll be maintaining ALL the vehicles again...
I doubt that ANYONE will ACTUALLY lose a job over this.

David Boyce
said

From a PR point of view...the union blew it.

Zabet
said

Y'know what? If the TTC workers don't like the wages they're being paid, they should probably look for a different line of work. I mean, it's public transit, sheesh. It's like working at Wal-Mart and demanding $20/hr. Not gonna happen!

Carolyn Gardner
said

This is rather sad... while I can understand the public's anger and the Transit workers grievences, it just continues to make driving a vehicle more attractive at a time when we need to be making other alternatives more attractive...

Nancy
said

As the wife of a bus Driver I can tell you the comments by Dalton McGuinty and David Miller during negotiations only served to get the drivers backs up. The big issue is not the wage it is the situation if Drivers are hurt and it happens dealing with drunks and everybody else.

IAN
said

For all those here who voted for the socialist, union friendly mayor that is ruining Toronto, congratulations this is your fault.

A city deserving of respect..? NOT.
said

The inevitable fruit of Toronto liberalism goes full circle as most are now affected by the TTC strike. Add to that the vile and demeaning comments towards men and women who provide these services as uneducated, and of no value... COMPARED TO WHAT? ...YOU?

Toronto used to be a nice city at one time. It isn't now. It is full of self righteous pompous goofs who think they are better than everybody else and aren't.

Millan L. Alaba
said

They did it again! TTC management should fire and replace them all. There are a lot of skilled workers who are currently working on low paying jobs. Start hiring and training new people with no connection to the union. Likewise, the provincial government should declare TTC as an essential service.

Stephen
said

Uneducated? Unskilled? I have met drivers who were accountants, electrical engineers, computer science graduates and other highly skilled professionals. Driving is often a means to an end; or a mid-life career change. The stigma attached to public transit workers as evidenced on this site is indicative of the public's justification for treating them like crap on a daily basis.

So enjoy your walk. After the strike don't be surprised if some drivers, tired of your abuse, park their vehicles and walk away as they have done quite a few times in Calgary. You sow it, you reap it, Toronto.

Jay Toronto
said

Some peoples comments make me sick here!!!Have any of you been following the news that its not about the money it about job security in about 3 years time. What the hell is the point of a pay raise in the top 5 most expensive cities in Canada to live if in 3 years your job is outsourced to the cheapest bidder.Secondly if any of you cry babies who live close enough to work or stores but are too lazy to walk havent noticed TTC workers have been killed on the job.KILLED does that ring home in your heads. You try driving a motor vehicle in traffic while people are cussing at you spitting at you and worst case scenarios physically assaulting you!I have been taking the subway/buses since grade school and unfortunately seen this with my own eyes. We live in a democratic society and if these employees feel the proposal doesnt meet the above mentioned concerns or what ever else, they have the RIGHT TO SAY NO!!
P.S NO I DONT WORK FOR THE TTC I TAKE THE BUS TO WORK AT THE AIRPORT SO SUCK IT UP AND LETS DEAL WITH IT!!

Robert Lis
said

It is time for the union and its members to stop holding people hostage and time for the government to end this madness by declaring TTC essential service.

KC
said

I am very pro-union thanks to being in a family full of union members. I will never be a union member due to my "white-collar" job however, I do agree with a lot of points that this union made. However, the lack of notice does not sit well with me. I have a friend who works nights in Toronto and she was waiting for over an hour wondering where the heck the streetcar was. Fortunately, she got home safe and sound thanks to her boss' generosity to drive her home when he saw her still standing outside when he went back to work as he forgot something but this was a scary thing for her. The union talks about the safety of the employees. Okay fine, I agree with them, but what about the safety of the public?! They really need to think through the consequences of their actions. What would've happened if this was to occur in the middle of winter in a blizzard or with windchill warnings? I don't even want to go there. Heck, even 24hr notice is better than nothing!


work at home
said

And just where is the Mayor??????
Having a little trouble with jet lag after that all important trip to China???????
Perhaps he picked up some pointers on how to deal with strikes from the Chinese.
Or is NDP Miller caught in the middle?
Seems he only knows a couple of toons, one was the ''ban the bridge to the island'', and the other was ''ban the handgun''.

The TTC really shot themselves in the foot by not working until the system shuts down friday night.

Can only imagine the traffic mess come monday, and with gas at historic levels, we will witness TTC rage like never before.

Irate Torontonian
said

Sympathy for them? Understand them?? Can you tell me what percentage of the population in Toronto makes what they do per hour??? I will guarantee even those with MBA's, PhD's and other earned degrees don't make that, and they want to reject an offer that pays them EXTREMELY well?? They have tons of job security, excellent pay that covers them and their family, benefits that covers them and their family, what else do they want? Do they want to be millionaires?? Get a grip, and realise you are lucky you have a cushy job. I work in cancer research and depend on the TTC to get to the lab, and now I can't. I hope this strike is really worth it, because many things aren't getting done because of their greed.

UI
said

This is ridiculous, the TTC unions should not be allowed to keep millions of Torontians as its hostages.
I think its time for Mayor Miller and Premier McGuinty to stop preaching people about this notion of public transit being "The Better Way", obviously its not something we are ready to depend on. Because the employers expect their workers to report to work regardless of a TTC strike, and the institutions of higher-learning don't exempt students for missing exam(s).

We need a government that can better understand the needs of its people, and create appropriate laws that can prevent this kinda of outraging acts by the unions!

jp
said

A lot of people talk about decent wages for TTC employees. Is the possibility to make $100000 for collecting tickes and health care benefits which are a lot better than average not enough? What kind of education do you need to drive a bus? After this strike I assume TTC personnel will hear a lot more verbal abuse and I cannot blame the riders who suffer a lot more due to the strike.

Andy
said

There are pros and cons to unions. One of the cons is that it is the unions job to keep employees in a constant state of discontent by pointing out what could be better about their jobs, no matter how nit picky. It would not matter if their pay was double and working conditions greatly improved, the union would still tell their people that they could do better and that management is taking advantage of them. In a job, such as this, where they can use over one million desperate people as bargaining chips, the union has far too much power in an endless pursuit of more and better.

Louise
said

To all those who seem to think bus drivers are uneducated & unskilled workers, where do you get your information. Not everyone can drive a bus. I'd like to see you try that job. Bus drivers in cities are good-will ambassadors; they also take a lot of abuse from the public. While I agree, they should have given notice, I don't fault them for wanting job safety. Stephen is right, it's not a picnic working in the public sector. And Linda, the strike is not illegal. While I may not always agree with unions, I do support workers being able to do their job in safety. A lot of transit workers have been assaulted over the years. I've seen passengers heap insults on bus drivers because they were late for work.


New Canada
said

Here's the problem of modern life:

1.Unskilled bus drivers should not be making $30/hr.Unions are part of the problem.
2.Gov't only protects corporations & other politicians, unions are needed more than ever.

The problem is, BOTH of these statements are correct and what we need are fresh ideas for a world with unprecedent, new issues and problems.

Ironically, unions and high wages for low skill work drives the cost of living up for all of us but, corporations are fleecing us & irresponsible gov'ts are in on the scam. Also, in Canada we have among the most exprensive transit systems in the world, riding transit is supposed to be affordable.

We're a nation moving into the future but still trying to run things as if it's the 1930s; we need to change the way we find solutions for our problems because old answers no longer apply. We see this with everything from our foreign policy to labour relations to immigration.


Johnny
said

Here is what the TTC Union employees rejected.

How many hard working people actually get such benefits such as these with thier current employers:

Term: three years, expiring March 31, 2011Wages: April 1, 2008 - 3%; April 1, 2009 -3%; April 1, 2010 - 3%Vision Care: $300 every 2 years; plus $50 for examsDental Care: major restorative, including implants up to $2,500Orthodontic: up to $4,000 (50% TTC coverage)Physio & Chiro: $1,000 max ($35 per visit)Long-term Disability: $2,550 max, per month

Source: TTC Website


Claudia
said

I find it absolutely backwards that an organization that receives Provincial and Federal funds be allowed to strike.
It's ridiculous to see these publicly funded organizations to hold municipalities hostage.
This was a brutal winter, with Peterborough snow plow drivers on strike, and the TTC - it's a gamble anytime their contract is up for renegotiation.

It's time to declare - public funding makes your organization an essential service. These companies can't have it both ways.

Voice of logic
said

Is safety really the issue here, or was that simply the reason quoted for striking without notice?

If safety is a key negotiating point, I'd like to suggest that the high wage for deemed unskilled work was to compensate for that already (e.g. hazard pay). You enter into a work contract, knowing what is involved (abuse from the public, etc.)

Since there is little to be done about conflict except refusing access to 'abusive' riders, as we cannot have a police officer on every bus, the drivers (via the union) would have negotiated higher wages to offset that. In fact, at least one comment above indicated that as a reason they deserve the relatively high wages they get.

So ... presuming that is the case, staff go into the job with their eyes wide open, accept the salary and benefits that go along with the job, yet don't want to accept the unpleasant (and yes, sometimes dangerous) aspects of the job that justified the wages to begin with? That's double-dipping, people!

But then, that's what unions are famous for anyway. Once they use one aspect of a job to secure more money, they use that same excuse to get something else. Again and again and again, hoping the new negotiating team doesn't bother to look back. And, no big surprise here, they often don't.

I believe there was a time and place for unions, and this is not it. We have legislation that ALL workers can use to ensure their safety in the workplace. Educate yourselves, people, and if you have a valid case, the Ministry of Labour will help you. That's what they're there for.

S. Hart
said

I was going to visit my Aunt who is in a Toronto Hospital ICU following a stroke. Thanks to the TTC I can't now. I was to take Mississauga Transit to Kipling stn & TTC it from there.
I'm furious that I may not see her alive again.

Peter from Toronto
said

Unions are very useful in the private industry. In the public sector, a union's priority is to push for best possible public service in order to ensure decent wage.

Now I ask, where's the decent public service amidst best possible wages?

Dawn
said

RE: Sarah
'bus drivers are unskilled....'
Are you serious? Half of these people started when they were young. It's a lifetime job. You can't generalize and say these people are unintelligent. That in itself is an unintelligent statement. I personally take offense to it, as my father is a bus driver and is a very intelligent and worthy person. The idea of a Union is what isn't smart.
On the other hand, there are other ways around the city, open your freaking eyes, people! Go, walking, biking, carpooling, taxi... geez.

Michelle
said

Shame on all the TTC employees and the union for stranding people last night with no way to get home safely and then blaming it on us!If you don't want to face the public and deal with the issues that a public service job entails...like being in the presence of the public...perhaps the TTC employees shouldn't have taken public service jobs! I find it disgraceful that Mr. Kinnear broke his 48 hours notice promise and then has the nerve to blame it on TTC riders suggesting we would put his drivers in jeopardy and that's why he had to break his promise. He should at least be man enough to admit he's breaking a promise because it's no longer convenient for him to keep it. Funny how he has no problem putting the public in danger by leaving them stranded mid-trip!

Will
said

There is no use for unions today... we have laws governing minimum wage, work safety, and working conditions.

Unions today have no interest besides their own... they give their membership what they want so that they don't disband and lose all those precious Union fees. I am sick of every public service Union holding our citizens hostage every six months and then somehow thinking they are entitled to more money then someone in brampton that does the same job.

Ask a retail worker at the Eaton Centre if he makes more money than someone working at Bramalea city centre?

Unfortunatley we keep electing a dunce mayor who had to practically sleep with Bob Kenear to get elected.

If you, in the ATU, feel unsafe at work.... GO FIND ANOTHER JOB!!!!!!

Les
said

Unions have improved the plight of working people. Without their efforts, we'd all be working for pennies an hour with no benefits.

That said, the TTC should be made an essential service and the public should be allowed to vote on whether politicians get pay raises.

William Ashley
said

People arn't slaves, and shouldn't be forced, transit is not an essential service, it is a luxury - that is paid for and only those paying in general have the privelege. Although it is a drastic inconvience it does promote a healthy lifestyle, people biking, jogging or otherwise. I love to jog and it promotes a healthy lifestyle. Of course not all workplaces have showers or what not, but it is relatively cool this week. None the less it seems that Transit will be declared an essential service. I think if you through in a few more holidays, and an incentive for the support staff such as pay equalization the issue wouldn't be there - but it sounds like it will just be a back to work order - but really what will happen if they defy the work order?

I think they should have the right to refuse work but of course that doesn't insure job security.

But I'm geussing it'd take a while to fill jobs for 5000 people or the 2000 or however many hold out. Really unfortunate that they couldn't have put all their demands on the table and determined what was possible.

fred
said

I am not a TTC worker or a union member. In my corporate IT world, the idea of a union is pure fantasy. I do however know a bit of history and politics and reading the comments here I am once again reminded of what 20 years of right-wing, Reaganite ideological conditioning can do to a population.

The same people who throughout 1990's moaned about evil-doing welfare moms while giving every last cent of tax write-off advantage to the rich corporate bosses, making them even richer than they already were, are at it again preaching about EVIL unions.

A little bit of HISTORY: unions and worker agitation are the reason for EVERY SINGLE protective law we have in the books. Laws such as 8-hour work days, minimum wage, health, safety, .. the list goes on.

If you think that being a bus driver is an easy, mindless job.. well, you have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE about what you are talking about. I know someone who became a bus driver. The training and entrance exam for TTC is one of the toughest there is. The dropout rate is more than %50. Many people simply cannot put up with the pressure, demanding schedule, and constant threat of violence during overnight hours. Do yourself a favor and get a clue.

Don in Manitoba
said

I wonder how many people that made Derogatory comments about the unions live off what union wages and benefits have given them??

Me
said

I can't believe the union bashing that is going on here. Unions were set up in the first place to give people a decent wage, and job security and they are as necessary now as they were then.

Before unions the employer had all the power. He could hire and fire, harass and molest workers on a whim. Except for the molesting those clerks and fast food workers are just about in the same boat. As for wages do you really think they can live a good life and raise a family on minimum wage with no benifits? They are just scraping by. Why do you think workers at Walmart and McDonalds are trying to become unionized.

Raise the minimum wage to $10 or $20 an hour, and a national benefit package and then you can scrap the unions. This will never happen so whether you think so or not unions are necessary.
Those who say we don't are the ones wishing they belonged to one


Ranjit Dalliah
said

The TTC union is abominable. All those union cranks who are rich in ideology but impoverished in intelligence think that paying high school graduates $60,000-100,000 a year is not enough are directly responsible for the poverty and despair that exists in our fair city. The City of Toronto and TTC can't afford those salaries and as a result service suffers, taxes go up and fares go up. The TTC workers say its not about the money - great, take away the 3% per year raise and spend more money on safety measures for the workers. It's time that ordinary people stood up to the bully boys of the Amalgamated Transit Union and CUPE. They speak for the ideologues, not the workers.

Mike
said

I completely agree that the ATU (and its members)have just shown themselves to be beyond ridiculous.

Note that 'unskilled and uneducated' is not meant to mean 'stupid.' Rather, it is a reference that post-secondary education / training is not a requirement for the vast majority of jobs in this union. How many TTC employees do you figure are struggling to pay off their student loans from college? Instead, their wages start at near double that of minimum wage, for, as another poster mentioned, 'mindless work.' I have recently completed my THIRD round of college training, yet my pay is in the mid-to-low range for the TTC. Something not quite right about that, huh? Also, please don't misunderstand - I'm happy with my pay; it is appropriate for the skill level of my job.

There are comments here from those who feel that MORE unions are needed. I'd LOVE to hear how that makes sense to you. Our wages are not increasing at the rate that union wages are - therefore, affordability is out the window, and sales are down - which means that people get downsized out of work, or it moves to an affordable country.

In terms of politicians' wages, I don't agree with having the ability to vote yourself a raise, either. In my opinion, that should be tied to the rate of inflation. Raises should change for two reasons: either your performance has shown that you've earned it, or to match inflation rates. In either case, union demands are out-of-line.

Time to wake these jokers up.

Adrian
said

TTC is a monopoly . They don't have any competition .

Maybe the province should have private companies running Private buses just like there are private airlines like West-Jet , Porter etc which keep Air-Canada in check .

Once we have cheap private buses running the same routes as the TTC these guys would think twice before holding us hostage.

Jay
said

This is a note to Sarah who wrote the following "Bus drivers are uneducated and unskilled workers. They should count their blessings that they don't make minimum wage."

Obviously you must not have a clue about the training bus drivers must go through to be able to do their jobs. Once a riders gets on the transit system they are putting their lives in the hands of these so called "uneducated and unskilled workers" It may be true that some are uneducated but I'm fairly certain most are quite dedicated and care about the riders that they get from point A to point B.

Name calling and belittling people typically doesn't help the situation. Nothing like fanning the flames.

Yes the strike action is unnecessary and inconvenient, but let management, the union and the legislature deal with this. Hopefully it can be resolved without insulting anyone.

G
said

As a student who lives in the GTA, where the TTC doesn't directly affect me, if i attended a university downtown i would pretty much be screwed over...I still have one more exam on monday.
Just last week i had to go downtown for a meeting and i was on the streetcar at a subway loading station waiting 10 minutes for the driver to arrive.

oh, and on the topic of respect and safety for the workers - if you don't feel comfortable doing routes in higher crime areas, then don't. the respect i have received from workers has been minimal. those in the ticket booths aren't even looking half the time and haven't been very polite when purchasing tickets. one experience i had with a bus driver was inexcusable. i boarded the bus from the subway and remembered soon after that i needed a transfer. i went up to the driver and asked for a transfer and he said that i had to get one when i paid. i said i came on from the subway and he said he had no proof that i paid, now raising his voice in front of a fully packed bus. i apologized and he then said in a threatening voice that this is the only time he will do this and that he really shouldn't be giving me the transfer.

if the workers want respect, they need to treat civilians with respect, either greeting them when they board and replying in a pleasant manner when asking for directions or help.

on behalf of all students who rely on transit to get to school, and those maintaining minimum wage jobs with balancing school work, and rely on their jobs to pay for tuition and living expenses, the stike is an extremely greedy move.

James
said

TTC: Take The Car

josh
said

agreed... unions played a vital role in bringing about the rights of individuals and "lesser citizens" (employees) a century or 50 years ago, but now their effect is completely opposite. what an unfair and unequal system: a few people at the top (union leaders) making decisions that they feel suit them best, often to the dismay of their constituents (the union members) and to the consistent detriment of everyone else.

a union of this size is self-defeating and needs to go.

daisy santos
said

I work night shift and ride the ttc everyday. luckily there are good so many good people at work that offer people rides. i just cant understand it to us low paying people and their earning so much already. this is public service it doesnt look like it anymore. brutally from the public it goes both ways respect us we will respect u.

Michele
said

I can't believe people want to privatize the TTC. Do they want lower wages in the city.
Unions are the only thing keeping some wages increasing with inflation. How soon the human memory forgets. Unions are what gave us the workers rights we have today. Unions are not the ones keeping wages stagnant over the past 20-30 years. There is more of a gap between
union and non-union wages but that is not caused by unions, its called 'competitiveness'
due to NAFTA. Those against unions are also probably those NAFTA loving people.

Its easy to see how right wing propaganda has driven a wedge between union and non-union workers.

If there where no unions representing workers we'd be one step closer to corporatism.


Catherine
said

I understand that everyone is upset and reacting but you have to remember that these are people. They are families, parents, children...they have EVERY right to stand up for their own welfare and making snap judgments about a situation you don't understand and condemning the TTC union members as uneducated and uncivilized Neanderthals is entirely unacceptable. It says more about your ignorance and lack of empathy than it does about their concern for the city.

Does anyone realize that they started the strike on a Friday night when most people had probably already made it home from work? A significantly smaller portion of the population works on the weekend and the union is not stupid enough to think that they won't be legislated back by Monday.

Try thinking before you call them stupid and uneducated. They're making a calculated stand for their own welfare. It may be an inconvenience and certain people have no other way to get around the city but that suggests a position that deserves some respect, no?

RBF
said

I think everyone is missing the point about the difference between CIVIL service unions and private industry unions. An unreasonable strike in private industry ultimately means the company could fold and everyone is out of a job. There IS a check and a balance to the negotiations. With civil service unions there is virtually NO other alternative to the service and the unions are litterly able to extort almost anything they want. There is just that widespread belief that there is a bottomless pit of tax dollars and there is no way they can fold because there is virtually NO other competition. Also since all civil service unions work for a publically elected government, there is NO greedy company trying to steal from them, just govenment employees looking out for our tax dollars. In fact the employers of the civil service unions are ultimately the ones that make up the labour laws so exactly where are the abuses. I think it is time for everyone to recognize these differences.

Frank
said

Unions whether you like them or not are a necessary evil. They have lost there focus over the decades by protecting at all costs bad actors that should have been terminated long ago. Building little kingdoms for themselves but, over the last couple of decades these have fallen down. Just look at the USW in Hamilton 25 years ago 13,000 members today 2500. That is why this kind of radicalism has seemed to have disapated over the last few years as all industries are under the constant scrutiny. Welcome to the world of the bean counters!

What seems to have happened here is an internal conflict within the union. Back to work legislation is needed in this instance but to declare transit an essential service is not called for here. They could set guidelines down but everyone should be entitled to negotiate their contract.

If the mechanics are having a problem with contracting out then maybe they should be more productive. In my 30 years of experience in industry not only is it cost but even mechanics must be productive in all industries. For example if they take a hour job and turn it into a four hour game then guess what happens. In all fairness here has the company been supplying the men with the tools and the resources they need to get the job done. It needs good management and Toronto and a lot of other cities have lacked good management for a long time. Anyhow back to work legisation in this instance is required. People should spend more time attacking the ineptness of their local politicians.


Tom
said

I thought the Term Essential service was just supposed to be for life and death situations.

How is the TTC a life and death situation if they strike.

Hospital workers and police officers I can understand. As if they were on strike lives would be on the line.

But the TTC??? I'm sorry but Toronto people being inconvenienced doesn't strike me as life or death. But then again the way some of the people are responding on here. Makes you wonder.

Though as someone in customer support in a non unionized job. I so wish I had a union. As the public has got to have restraints on how they deal with someone providing a service.

It's not alright to hit someone or to attack someone. Physically or verbally. Unfortunately people in jobs that offer a public service. Deal with this all the time.


bev
said

It was a good offer until it was revealed that maintenance workers and mechanics were not included and that was unfair. maintenance work and mechanic is very very hard labour work and espcially to work in the winter season. What was the government thinking. The money lost for a day is by far more than what would be paid out to these workers over a period and then they want to indroduce return to work legislation. How unfair the world can be when you try to defend your rights and then it supposed to be freedom of speech etc.

S.Grosbein
said

The NDP didn't get many votes from the "workers"/union in the last election. Good old Hampton feels a need to represent them after they wouldn't live up to the agreement their people made. The people of Toronto count for nothing!
As for the TTC, transit union reps bargained in bad faith. They should have been out selling their deal to members. Instead, they didn't feel a need to finish the shift and let people get home. Guess they felt a need to flex muscle. For shame!
Sara

MB
said

I can't believe some of these comments, maybe if you directed your comments to the overpaid MPPS and Mayor and City Council maybe they would treat the civil servants fairly, as for the person who said ticket takers make a 100000, I doubt it. What make you people think they are uneducated, maybe circumstances lead them to this job. Canadians are becoming ignorant, selfish, self serving people. Maybe if you had expressed your anger towards the TTC, this could have been avoided. I hope they defy the back to work legislation.

Union brother Steve
said

All those people out there that believe that unions are evil and a relic from the past have their heads where the sun don't shine. To think that an employer, whether it be public or private sector, would actually offer a fair contract because we live in such a fair and civilized society is naive. I've been in two unions and the only thing that has kept me from earning minimum wage is a union that sees through management's BS and fights for my right to earn a wage that I deserve. I've spent almost a decade in university (3 degrees) and I deserve a wage that is more than twice the average salary.

As for all the whiners out there that complain about strikes disrupting the public and union bosses only looking out for their members...well, Hmmm, let's see... strikes are supposed to disrupt the public and union bosses work for the union members and not the public.

My guess is that the whiners wish they were in a union.


Dave
said

I am an ex union member and even tho unions were important at one time now they are too powerful. First of all driving buses is not a hard job I did it for 16 years and loved it but its the rights of union members that causes the problems. Senior members hoard all the overtime and best runs and get all the extras that should be shared by all and then there is the greed of union members who think that they deserve everything going with wages that are now way too high. I said that to say this if employers were fair but firm we wouldn't be in this position

James
said

"and just because you may not be rude and abusive to drivers, there are 10 people for you that are."

Patrick, your numbers are completely wrong.

The actual figure is more like, for every 1 rude passenger, there are at least 100 perfectly fine passengers.

This action by the workers is disgusting. Every single on of them should be fired. The TTC needs to clean house desperately.

Jane Doe
said

I myself am not happy that the TTC went on stirke. I do think that our public transit should be made an essential service because it is essential for a whole lot of us! I was lucky enough to have a cab ride to work paid for, but now it's up to me to get myself from work today and then to and from work until the strike is over. My only way is by taxi. This is what makes me the most mad! I just want this strike to be over and our TTC to be made essential so these strikes stop!

a person living paycheque to paycheque
said

I think the anger isn't so much that there is a strike...we've been told this might happen. The anger is coming from the fact that it's essentially a wildcat strike. We were promised 48 hours of notice before action was to happen. We didn't get it. It's not dealing in good faith, and so the public is naturally going to look at it as an example of a spoiled union breaking it's promise to negotiate fairly. Sadly, I think it means that the workers will lose their right to strike and thus destroy a lot of what they have fought for. You can't just be irresponsible like this.

Janet Fowlow
said

I've lived in Toronto for close to 4 years now, and there has been either a strike or threat to strike 3 times now. This is getting ridiculous. 1.5 million commuters stranded without notice? A quarter of the population of this city relies on the TTC for all it's transportation, including myself. My business has already suffered, even today. You've got commuters like myself losing thousands of dollars and the TTC on the other hand asking for more and more and more. Enough with the semantics. These people have no respect for their customers. It is time to make the TTC an essential service, and give power back to those who count on it the most - the riders.

Mick (walking in TO)
said

It is very simple - privatize the TTC subway service & auction off the bus routes. Let free market choice and competition vie for our traveling dollars.


Joan Delmage
said

I am glad that David had the courage to write. It is about time somebody let the public know that some of the benefits do not come into effect untill almost the end of the contract.
I am a transport driver and I would not take a job driving for the TTC with the abuse they have to take.
As far as I am concerned the media has been too one sided with coverage against the drivers. No one has heard of the drivers who gave people rides and would NOT take a fare because they knew people were going to be upset and were trying to help those that were stranded. Why don't the people that were helped let the rest of Toronto know.
Don't get me wrong I am not a union person ever since the teamster union sold my job down the river years ago. I know of a number of drivers that were threatened by passengers over this strike and forced to drive where these people wanted them to go. We have a real civilized society don't we.

TP
said

I need to add more...would you like to go to work for 12-1/2 hours per day? Did you know that we work split shifts, and YOU the public think it's 4 on, 4 off, 4 on. IT'S NOT!

Let's think about what we do each and every day. We drive you around..SAFELY. Most of us work in BOTH rush hours. That means plenty of traffic.

Have you ever watched your TTC driver and how they operate their vehicles? Have you ever noticed they are continually watching everything going on around them? NO? You are too busy talking on your cell phone distracting the entire bus, or reading your book, or listening to your music at a tone so loud the entire bus hears it through your head phones.

I go to work at 6:30 a.m and I finish work at 7:00 p.m. I'm in bed about 9:00 or 9:30 p.m. because I need to be rested. I get told off because I'm 3 minutes late by YOU the riding public. Have you any idea what it's like to move that vehicle through traffic in this city?

I have the ONLY job in the world that does not allow for any mistakes. How many can you make in your job and not get fired?

We're uneducated are we? Many of us have University and College educations. We made the decision to be bus drivers. At times like this when you insult us, we have to ask why.

We may remember those of you who are kind to us, but we remember those of you who aren't more.

Each and every one of you needs to apply for the job and do it. Walk a mile in our shoes.

It's not about the money! That is what you don't get. You don't know the issues.

You also don't get our jobs. You think we are lazy and uneducated.

Your assumptions disgust me.

Mike
said

One of the issues that the union members were upset about is that, in order to get the disability pay top-up, they would have to go before a panel to qualify for them. Well, DUH. Otherwise, we'd be looking at 'injury' claims all over the place, and why not, if they can get full pay for it. They want all the perks, with no responsibility.

As for the timing of the strike - unbelievably unfair. Let's say you have a job that starts early in the morning, and as such, go to bed early - only to wake up and find that you have no way to get to work. How fair is that?

This is also another shining example of Mr. Moscoe proving his ineptness to the masses. Comparing TTC operators to police officers? Get real, Howard. Police officers have to enrol in, and graduate from a law enforcement program, and their lives are put on the line all day, every day. No matter how tough you want to make a TTC operator's job look, it's a ridiculous comparison.

My question is: if there's THAT much overtime available...shouldn't they be hiring more people, rather than paying close to $50 per hour, to a ticket taker?

Another poster commented that her father had to deal with the rowdies from his position in a glass booth. Is not a clerk at your local convenience store doing pretty much EXACTLY the same job, WITHOUT the glass booth, and being paid a fraction of the salary?

Time for a house-cleaning at the TTC. Short-term pain for long-term gain.

Angry Torontonian
said

Maybe the TTC riders should follow suit to the TTC workers, strike on them. Not ride the TTC when it comes back for the same time that it took the TTC to resume service.

Brian
said

I'm not going to bash a TTC worker...I just think that what happened last night wasn't fair. People have the right to be afraid of change...but you don't give one hours notice to shut down with a city the size of Toronto. The union supported the agreement - and I'm thinking their management has no idea what their members want. The city did it's part...perhaps we should be laying blame with the union management for not knowing what their members wanted. Now the public is upset and that won't be good for the TTC worker. I'm sorry guys but I think u should be an essential service.

Shankar_Mississauga.
said

Transit systems should be a public service. If we can't use it and stall the service without notice why is it a transit system. I hope the Ontario Goverment will declare the transit system as an essential service.
Can you please put a stop to this first and last.
Thanks.

charles
said

Ontario Northland, our provincially owned transportation company for northern Ontario was on strike from September 29, 2007 to December 10, 2007, NO BACK TO WORK LEGISLATION WAS TABLED.

The Toronto Transit Commission, a municipally owned public transit company was on strike less than 24 hours; the province recalled the legislature on a SUNDAY to PASS BACK TO WORK LEGISLATION.

In case you said, yes but we had an election during that time, the writ of election was published on Saturday, 27 October 2007 which means that the house could have met anytime after that to pass back to work legislation.

Just shows who runs the province

Just an Idea
said

If worker safety is the 'true' reason for a strike, why not have a security guard on each bus, at all times? Have a couple of guards at each ticketing station too. Drop the wage of a ticket collector from $50 an hour to $10 and voila - The guards are paid for! Reduce the wages of all TTC employees accordingly to compensate for the bus guards - there's plenty to spread around.

Of course the guards would have to be uniquely qualified to deal with the rowdy teenagers, smokers, etc... But these are details.

The bonus is that we'll be employing more people that are specialized in their respective jobs. A driver should not have to be a bouncer too.

CP
said

I am appalled at the prejudicial and judgemental comments being written about the TTC workers. How dare anyone assume that they are unskilled and uneducated! Unless you have "walked a mile in their shoes" as the saying goes, then you have no right to judge them. i bet most of you would not appreciate someone outside of your job telling you how you should perform or feel about it.
Everyone deserves the right to be safe on the job and since these people also provide a service that requires keeping millions of other people safe on a daily basis, I am fully supportive of their actions.
I bet that many of the pompous and irate comments have come from those people who never use the transit system anyway!!

Philip
said

Collective bargaining amd strikes for workers are similar to cartels for companies in that a group of individuals are agreeing together to restrict their output (work) in order to raise prices. For companies that is illegal to do and is part of the anti-trust rules which are based on the idea that competition and a free market is better for business. What unions are doing is similar to like a cartel of producers agreeing to limit output and raise prices, and for companies to do that, it would be generally illegal.

James
said

if everybody went on strike as much as teachers and ttc workers, there would be no jobs left. if its anyone who should go on strike it's people who own cars. simply because of these bank robbers hiking up gas prices. this is the time of life where we see just how inconsiderate people are.

Brad
said

Some are arguing here that there is no need for unions and that no self-respecting person would belong to one. Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm definitely not a rabid union member, and I've even been caught in the midst of union politics in the past and as a result spent years in a part-time position when I should have been advancing. Having said that, there are places such as where my wife works that are definitely in need of union representation. This is a place where they even have to fight for the legislated minimum wage increase, where safety is a joke (literally - supervisors call people around to belittle anyone who complains of an injury), where they can show up for work at 6 a.m. and be told there is no work for the day, etc.
Yes, unions can turn evil, but no more so than those on the other side. They balance the power - good and bad.


woody
said

Ok, the union's been bashed, the drivers bashed, the politicians bashed and the riders bashed. Sorry TO, suck it up and get on with it. I so love how the world has to revolve this city. Other people and places have far worse problems....consider yourself lucky

Erin Thomson
said

I'm really glad that the TTC decided to do this during my examination period at the University of Toronto.

I live in Scarborough and now I'm going to have to spend 40 dollars (every day this week) on a cab ride that I could be saving to pay my tuition and living expenses.

Just great!

MIKE
said

I say make all TTC transit atomated the subways streetcars can all run on computers. Example Vancouver's SKYTRAIN is fully atomated reduce the amount of employes needed this will reduce costs make all ticketing automated so that it will acccept all forms of curency i.e. debit credit or cash all you would need to do is increase security so that fairs will be paid TTC needs to move to the future of public transportation it is completely out dated and running on fumes.
If TTC requires more money to make these changes get the money from Large Corporations which rely on TTC to get thier employes to work TTC is an investment by the city not to be taken litely union are required but should be regulated and responsible for actions taken, 48hr notice should be manditory for all unions, or strikes like this should be deamed illegal. Responsibility should go to unions for damages to economic stability and city revenues. It's a dog eat dog world and if these changes can be made, people have to get with the times.


JM
said

It is funny how the "reverse nimby" syndrome works. (they have it and I should have the same) 3% in this day of low inflation is good. Really good. And do not compare bus drivers to police officers or fire fighters. The latter 2 groups put their lives on the line each time they step out of the station. Not so with bus drivrs and mechanics. For sure when they have bad weather it is stressful, but is is worst for fire fighters and policemen.

TG
said

I am a member of a union, and unfortunatley we do need one to bargain for better wages and issues that will make things better for ourselves and our families. However, I also am in a profession that is considered an essential service, so we aren't in a position to demand what we want or strike.
Please make the TTC an essential service. Enough is enough. There are people in this city who don't have the resources to hope in a cab and off they go. Perhaps it's time to become more realistic about this situation.

Sally
said

There should be a consequence for Mr.Kinnear. When he promises a 48 hr notice to 1.5 million people and then he refuses to stand by his own word, he should face a consequence. There should be a lawsuit from Torontonians against TTC union for all the lost of wages today and possibly tomorrow. All the people who make minimum wage they depend on TTC, they do not have the luxury of having a car since they don't get paid $30 hr.

Canadien
said

WOW! the three Ontario parties are getting together to end the transit strike. Generally they only get together to raise their salaries. Now if they could only get together for the betterment of the CITIZENS of Ontario that would be an accomplishment.

Worth every penny!
said

TP's comments are an insight to the world of a bus driver and I appreciate what he had to say. I am really appalled at the 'uppity' attitude and sense of entitlement as expressed by most Torontonians here. These bus drivers have a lot to put up with, the least of which are the demeaning and ignorant comments. They deserve every penny them earn and then some.





Matthew
said

It moves millions of people a day. It is an essential service. A strike would be acceptable if there were a competing public transport company.

I hate you TTC

Sonia
said

I like the TTC drivers along my commute route. They're polite, kind, and educated people. I've seen enough yelling fights breakout on buses and trains to understand their frustration. I agree it can be a tough job sometimes.

Having said that, it still doesn't excuse the constant threat of striking and holding an entire city, especially its most vulnerable, hostage. I agree with the commenters who say TTC workers are entitled to a decent wage, but they are already paid well above average, not to mention the benefits they receive!

Furthermore, I think what's really at issue here is the suddenness of the strike. It left many of us stranded in the middle of the night, with an half-hour warning?! The TTC union is very, very lucky, perhaps unfortunately so, that no one was hurt, assulted, or killed Friday night due to being stranded by the strike. That has done absolutely nothing in gaining public sympathy.

Kelly Ann
said

Wow, it looks as if "wild west" Alberta is more civilized than the "Centre of the Universe". We don't have wild-cat transit strikes out here. Calgary's last transit strike was in 2001. We almost had one last summer (no shut-downs), but the transit union signed a three-year deal. Let's hope Toronto can get things settled.

Emmerich Banga
said

Emmy To; TP the bus driver. I used up 3 handkerchiefs they are soaking wet from wiping my tears. I would feel sorry for you, but I have to walk home 6 miles away, and I’m 76.

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