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CTV Newsnet: Brenda Martin's mother reacts to her sentencing
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CTV Newsnet: Immigration lawyer Richard Kurland explains what could be next for Brenda Martin
CTV Newsnet: Lisa LaFlamme explains the tentative transfer deal with the Canadian government
CTV Newsnet: Martin's lawyer Guillermo Cruz Rico explains from the Guadalajara court what happen
CTV Newsnet: Gar Pardy, former director general of consular affairs
CTV Newsnet: W-FIVE's Paula Todd on Martin's mental state

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CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Tue. Apr. 22 2008 10:28 PM ET

A Mexican judge has found Brenda Martin guilty of Internet fraud and sentenced her to five years in prison, but the Canadian government is seeking to bring her home "as soon as possible."

Sources told CTV News the Prime Minister's Office is directly involved in the prisoner transfer process, with Prime Minister Stephen Harper personally ensuring it's carried out swiftly over the next few weeks.

Martin, who has been under a suicide watch, collapsed after hearing the verdict.

"This is awful. It's probably going to kill her," Martin's mother, Marjorie Bletcher, told CTV News from her home in Trenton, Ont.

"I just have to pray that she's going to be okay, because I mean, this has got to be devastating for her, to know that you're innocent and to get this verdict. I mean, this is crazy.

"I guess we didn't pay -- so Mexico's going to make her pay."

Bletcher said her daughter is in such a fragile state that she's afraid Tuesday's verdict will "take her over the edge."

Along with the five-year prison sentence, Martin was fined 35,800 pesos, equivalent to about C$3,680.

Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said the Canadian government is ready to take Martin back to Canada after a prisoner transfer agreement comes into effect.

"The prime minister has made it very clear he wants everything done possible to get Brenda Martin home," he told CTV's Mike Duffy Live from New Orleans.

"We're ready to move very quickly on this prisoner transfer and to get her home as soon as possible."

Martin has been held in custody since February 2006 and had to remain in jail while the legal process played out. The Mexican justice system places the onus on the accused to prove his or her innocence -- rather than on the prosecution to prove the guilt of the accused.

Martin has been convicted of knowingly accepting illicit funds from an Internet fraud scheme operated by Alyn Waage. Martin had been Waage's chef until she was fired.

Waage, in prison in the U.S., had issued an affidavit in support of Martin, who has long professed her innocence.

Martin's lawyer told CTV Newsnet that he still has to read the judge's ruling before he can fully determine what led to the guilty verdict.

"According to the Mexican system, the judge only reads the final points of his resolution. He made a huge documented argument, which I am going to read when we get a copy of that," Guillermo Cruz said in a phone interview from Mexico.

Cruz also told Newsnet that "I am her lawyer, I have not found any evidence (of her guilt)."

Martin may return home within weeks

Despite the verdict, Martin could still return to Canada within the next few weeks, because of a special extradition agreement between Canada and Mexico.

The two countries have reached a deal that would bypass the standard extradition document, which would require six to nine months before transferring a prisoner.

She would also likely be freed from prison after her first parole hearing, because Canadians officials would credit her for the two years she has already served in Mexico.

"In Canada, you can get double credit for time served, so that would mean she has already served four years and four months if she gets the double-time clause," reported CTV's Lisa LaFlamme from Guadalajara.

She also said Martin signed the prisoner transfer document Tuesday, but must remain inside the prison for five business days -- the mandatory time for an appeal -- before the document takes effect.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who is currently in New Orleans for a tri-lateral summit with U.S. President George Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderon, raised her case with his Mexican counterpart Monday.

Calderon said while he felt sympathetic towards Martin he couldn't intervene in his country's justice system.

Immigration lawyer Richard Kurland said Martin's legal team should take full advantage of the summit to press her case.

"If ever there was a beautiful time to have a public press conference with the treaty transfer papers ready to be delivered, this is it," he told CTV Newsnet.

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Appalled
said

What kind of a justice system requires the proof of guilt or innocence on the accused, with no evidence. All the more reason to boycott Mexican vacations.


Lisa
said

That is so sad that this poor innocent woman is being railroaded like this. Is there any room for an appeal?
It does not make any sense. How does a cook become liable for her boss' misdeeds??
For pete's sake if she was in on the scam then why would she invest her own money in it??


JD
said

You go to a foreign country and expect that you have rights - well you don't - and I sure as heck won't be heading the Mexico anytime soon - we are lucky we live in such a beautiful and just country - well, most of the time - why don't people just stay home and have fun?


Dana
said

How tragic that this poor woman can sit in a foreign prison for 2+ years, be found guilty of a crime she is innocent of, and sentenced to a 5 year prison term....how can this be acceptable? I'd be very curious to know what his decision was based on. How tragic!


Mark G.
said

Please people, stop going to Mexico for holidays!Boycott Mexico.



Lori
said

You know...as much as I distrust the Mexican "justice" system, Ms. Martin has been tried and found guilty. Why must we bring her back here and pay for her incarceration? We pay through the teeth for criminals from other countries to sit in our jails because we treat them more humanely than their own countries. The crime was committed in Mexico so that's where the time should be spent.


red leaf
said

Not another dime of Canadian taxpayers money should be spent on this woman. Once seeing the footage of the beauty pageant and belly dancing she lost what little concern I had for her. As an adult, when you visit or move to another country you take on the responsibility of abiding by their laws and judicial process. It is now time for her to stop whining and take responsibility for the choices she has made in her life.


Maggie Brown
said

I don't understand why this is news. Wrongful imprisonmnets, regardless of the country, happens.

We are not getting all the facts or information on this case. Brenda Martin made the decision to live in Mexico, then she has to live with the consequences or outcomes of the situation.

This is NOT our judicial system, so why judge? Let's look at our own system and fix it first!


Mike
said

I still feel that there's a lot more to this story than we're being presented with.

She received a pretty large severance, for only a couple years' work, then reinvested it in the same company that fired her? Something's not right about that.

It also seems that her defense relies heavily on an affadavit sworn by her previous employer, that she was not involved. The same previous employer that is in prison for fraud.

It's not my place to judge her...but the point is, given the evidence we DO have, there are some things that don't appear to make sense about her case.

At the very least, let's hope that she can serve her sentence in Canada.


disclosed
said

All Canadians must be protected abroad. We as a democracy cannot rely on such systems as Mexico to confidently carry out a fair and democratic trail. I am disappointed in the Canadian government for not taking any further actions knowing that they can, but publicly say they cannot. Brenda is not the first Canadian to have unfair legal trails in Mexico. As Canadians, our government has the responsibility to protect us no matter where we are in the world. I thought that would be a luxury that Canadians have. Unfortunately we do not.


sash
said

while I have sympathy for her,she was working for a criminal working illegally in another country..

what else can the judge look at, that you were willing to break this law but you did not break that one.. it speaks to her character and in this case it ending up biting her in the end..


Steve from the WEST...
said

As per any country, no one makes you go to these other countries be it for work, or pleasure. When you go to these countries, you have to understand and be willing to go under their laws and way of doing things. Like it or not. It's their country. As bad as the outcome in my mind and many others, we all...including Brenda Martin must follow and live with the outcome.


pescator
said

Time for that so-called PM we have to get a TRAVEL ADVISORY issued for mexico and let it be known that no government services are available to Canadians travelling to that country.



Gord
said

Well well, so you want to travel in Mexico, that's fine but remember it's their legal system that you must answer to. This lady was found guilty in a democratic country with what us Canadians feel is a backwards justice system. But guess what it's the way things are done there and the bottom line is if you do the crime prepare yourself to do the time. She was convicted of what is a terrible crime, fraud, stealing money by way of a scam. She is probably getting just what she deserves.


David #1
said

I think she's guilty as well. Where there's smoke there's fire. The thing about Brenda is that when we first heard of her she was quite distraught and begging Canada to help her but then suddenly she got "snarly" and starting barking like a crazy dog at the government of Canada about the mess she got "herself" into.

Personally I feel she should serve her time in the Mexican prison. She apparently has been have a nice time of it there-participating in "beauty" contests etc.


Jack M.
said

This is simply barbaric. Our neighnbours just left today for a Mexican vacation. Having witnessed this situation and the tourist violence over the last while, we have absolutely no plans to ever visit Mexico.


RRor
said

I guess when you hang around with criminals you can expect to be treated like one. She should be thankful she'll be extradited to Canada so we can look after her and then set her free.
Maybe she got a raw deal, maybe not. She'll just have to bide her time and wait for the wheels to turn, however slowly.


sympathetic but satisfied
said

It's a tough lesson to learn but Canadians need to know that our legal system is not the same as the legal system found in Mexico. Expecting our government to bail out a Canadian found guilty of a crime in another nation is both arrogant and ignorant. We don't bend to foreign demands on our own legal system and should not expect Mexico to give in just because we as Canadians are shocked at a verdict we believe is inconsistent with our concept of justice.

Here's a thought: if foreign justice is a concept that you can't handle then don't leave Canada.




George
said

The verdict was handed down by the Mexican judge, was as many had expected. This was a face safing measure by the Mexican justice system that they had good reasons to incarcerate her. We should be carefull when we choose this country for a vacation, the best advice is to avoid it altogether. There are many Caribbean Islands and countries in central and south America that are safe and treat their tourists much better than Mexico does. There is no blame on the part of the Canadian government and all those that tried to help her,it was all inthe hands of the Mexicans.


Roch
said

I guess she shouldn't have chosen to work and live down there for the past ten years.




Zhimmy
said

Give me a break people! She's a convicted felon! There was always something fishy about her whole ordeal.

5 years...I bet she gets transferred back to Canada where she does 6 months. Her time served will count as 2 times plus she is entitled to probation after 2/3s of her term. She'll be home for Christmas if she does anytime in Canada at all!

jackie moore
said

I have spent thousands of dollars visiting Mexico with my family on four separate occasions. NEVER AGAIN!

The police and justice system, it appears, are corrupt.

I'll spend my hard-earned dollars in the many other wonderful locations around the world.

Jackie


Navvy
said

It's amazing how many people are absolutely positive that she is innocent. What information do they have that the rest of us don't? And, for the record, Mexico is also a democracy.


Brian S
said

The lead story in Canada today is about a young man in the Canadian judicial system who took 16 years to finally convince a Canadian court he was innocent of murder. Courts in Canada don't always get things right either.


Diana
said

We keep hearing that she is innocent and she may well be but surely the judge had some evidence-he didn't make this verdict up out of thin air.

Could someone explain what evidence he did have?

Of course I hope she is transferred back here as quickly as possible.


Sagitelle
said

Putting the onus on the accused to prove his or innocence is ludicrous. No wonder the corrupt can get away with crimes in Mexico. They can always bribe people into helping them "prove" their "innocence", while the average Joe and Jane, who may be truly innocent, languish in jail. What kind of justice is that?


Suzette Elder
said

Why is anybody surprised at this verdict? She did get her 10,000 investment back from Alan Waage after the scam was discovered, therefore she should have known it was dirty money. I for one will not boycott Mexico. Go there and just behave yourself.


A Proud New Brunswicker
said

This decision and the Ianiero Tragedy along with all the other situations affecting Canadians in Mexico, it will be a Frosty Day in Cancun before even one of my hard earned dollars goes to support this kind if country. There are many more places where my dollars and my presence is much more appreciated.

Hang in there Brenda, maybe you will be home for Mothers Day.


Kevin in Van
said

This case has been sensationalized by the media who actually have no proof of her guilt or innocence except the word of a convicted felon who bilked hundreds of innocent people, real innocent people, of millions of dollars. He's the lowest form of human.
The fact that Miss Martin is hiding behind the defense of being employed as a cook is a load of you know what. It's a cover for being the girlfriend and accomplice of a crook designed to shield them from prosecution.
How many people serving time in Canadian prisons are innocent....90% of them if you take their word for it. I wonder who she knows in the media?


JDP
said

Disclosed: Why "must" all Canadians be protected while abroad? I always assumed that when we left Canada, we did so willingly and subject ourselves to the laws and authorities of other countries. But I guess because we are from rich ol' Canada we deserve better treatment. Well, news flash - rights are NEVER determined by the UN, try as they might, but by the people in charge of the country.

Ever wonder why people the world over hate westerners?

Is Brenda Martin a 'victim?' Not in my books. She can lose weight and cry all she wants, there is something very, very fishy about her story. If anything, she was willfully blind to the suspect nature of her financial dealings with her former employer. I live in a first-world country and would never expect $25,000 paid to me as severance for being a cook. But that's kosher in Mexico? Then to re-invest that severance pay into that employer who let you go? If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...


Vince M.
said

"Disclosed". We vive in a democracy? Isn't that what Mexico is too? Why is our democracy better than theirs? Why can't we accept their judgements as readily as we accept ours?


Al
said

Double Standard

We don't allow Canadian politicians to intefere with our judicial system.

Why should we expect Mexico's President to overide their judicial system?






Peter
said

I feel sad about this situation and its outcome. I do not know all the facts about Brenda Martin's case, but Canadians need to be extraordinarily careful when traveling and working abroad. They are increasingly getting themselves into all sorts of trouble and expecting that a CDN passport will win them an instant ticket back home to what is largely a lenient justice system. We may not like it, but other countries, like Mexico, obviously have a different approach to justice. It is no coincidence that when receiving your new CDN passport these days you get a booklet from the govt. basically telling you to stay out of trouble when abroad.


Charles
said

Frankly I can't believe the comments saying she deserves this.
Mexico has a long history of criminal police and I personally have a list as long as my arm of Canadians who have attacked robbed and killed. Don't go to Mexico and for Gods sake find some compassion in your heart for someone who has been in jail 2 years without a trial.
Some of you are too quick to judge.


Mel
said

I had a vacation planned for Mexico this year and after this verdict I actually cancelled it. I will never set foot on Mexico soil.


MIK
said

Get her out of that country, consider her sentence as time served, and tell her to stay in Canada. I agree something is fishy about this case - the Mexican justice system! I will never go to Mexico!


John
said

As far as I'm concerned, she hasn't accepted that she might be found guilty. She was given the opportunity to sign documents that would have had the process in place for her release to Canada. If she wanted to get out of prison as she has professed, why didn't she accept this might happen.

Don Fierro, Sr.
said

So the Mexican justice system stinks but, has anyone forgotten about:
Milgard; Marshall; Morin; etc.?
All Canadians charged, tried, found guilty, done time in the can only because of a rotten, stinking very Canadian corrupt justice system: East Coast; Out West; Ontario...need I say more?
How can we be so self-righteous and decry Mexico while we have a system just as crooked right here in our own backyard.


Cam
said

My heart goes out to Brenda Martin. I hope she can be transferred back to Canada so she can at least be home. This is such a miscarriage of 'justice' and I won't be going back to Mexico for vacation.


Dave
said

Mexico has NO justice system.I know half a dozen people who have had to bribe their way out of "trouble". One friend was threatened with jail if he did not pay the officer, and a worker where he rented his scooter helped "negotiate" the amount that he would have to pay($40.00 cdn). There are lots of great places to go in our country and not risk imprisonment. I will not be making any trips to Mexico and will avoid buying products that are made there - my choice right?!


Scott
said

The greater injustice in this case will be the waste of taxpayer’s dollars to imprison this criminal in Canada. Ms. Martin broke the law in Mexico. She should serve her sentence in that country. Prime Minister Harper would be smart to stay as far away as possible from this case.


Jerry G Hart
said

I am one Proud Canadian that has served 20 years in the Military for all of us. I also know that when I go out of Canada, I am required to know and follow the laws of the Country where I am going. If I do not want to abide by their laws, I will not go. I have ZERO tolerance for anyone out side of Canada in Jail for something they did while in that Country. Or convicted of doing. Leave her there to do her time. While living in Mexico did she file and pay for Taxes in Canada? I doubt it very much. S0 my and yes your hard earned Tax dollars are going on a person who moved from my Country (Canada) and hers also to Mexico.



Linda Clark
said

Hey, she was there WITHOUT a work visa, she got a huge severance for working a couple of year and if someone fired me I sure wouldn't be putting money back into their company. We're supposed to buy this sob story?? The only thing mishandled was she should have been before a court earlier because it's not fair to stay in jail that long without a hearing but as for the sentence, sorry, no sympathy from me. She took a risk - it all smells fishy to me. Suck it up and do your time and learn from it.


BOYCOTT MEXICO!!!
said

Boycott Mexico!

Is it not apparent that Canadians have been targeted in this country for the last several years through beatings, murder and now unlawful incarcaration?

Tourism is their number 1 industry folks. Stop going there. Go to Cuba or some other island instead. This is not right. I've been to Mexico 3 times, and I will never head back until this changes. It's only getting worse, not better.


Gary -London
said

Wow..do you think there is any chance that Ms Martin is actually guilty of these charges? Naw...no way. She is a Canadian in a foreign land and as we know, Canadians who are charged with criminal activity outside of Canada are innocent regardless of what some back-water judge concludes. Now, if we could only convince the Harper government to agree with this theory.


King of Kensington
said

Disclosed. I disagree with you 100%.

Our government doesn't have to protect us in other countries. We visit those places at our own risk. What is our government supposed to do? Launch an attack on Mexico?

Buyer beware when you go to other countries. Canada is paradise--don't forget that.


King of Kensington
said

Appalled: What countries have a system where you're guilty until proven innocent? France for one. Another place Canadians love to visit. Buyer beware in other countries.


Neil
said

Why is it "appalling"? She had her day in court and was found guilty and convicted of knowingly accepting illicit funds.

Go visit any Canadian jail and you'll find plenty of sad stories of people who have made mistakes; some of them are even from other countries!!!


Wendy
said

I have not seen all the evidence and I suspect none of us have - but she made a choice to live and work in Mexico and did deal with questionable amounts of money ... maybe she's guilty, maybe she's not, but there are plenty of innocent people that go to jail all over the world - even in Canada. When you live abroad, you take your chances, sad as that is. She should not fully expect Canada's help when she left here to live someone else 10 years ago. I would stay away from Mexico for the many deaths of Canadian of late, but not because of this.


Anne M
said

Maggie Brown, you are so right when you say that we need to fix our own judicial system before we judge any other system. To all of you who are pleading with others to boycott Mexico, and vacation elsewhere, I wholeheartedly agree with you. There are so many other sunny places in the Carribean that are a pleasure to visit, and much less risky.


M. Cameron
said

Let this be a lesson for people who travel to other countries: Their laws are different. You are obligated to learn their system and respect it. You can't expect your country to bail you out because you were negligent.


don
said

Unfortunately the Government is restricted to protocol in there responses to situations like this. We as Canadains can send a very significant economic message to Mexico by not visiting Mexico. I have been to Mexico once and confess that I was uneasy during the whole visit. Life in Mexico is valued at a far different rate than we are accustomed to. Stay away, there are many other warm areas to vacation in.


JD in Alberta
said

This woman is playing the "lil miss innocent" role a bit too far. She was in the Mexico without a VALID Visa. She accepted money from a convicted criminal, and re-invested it with this man. She has told half truths through out this ordeal to anyone with a microphone that will listen. I'm tired of hearing about her and her pity party. I'm glad it's over.


M.K.
said

I remember crossing into Nogales,Mexico from the U.S. many years ago and they literally sent us from desk to desk to desk for almost an hour. Finally I turned to an American woman and said "What in the name of God is going on here." She asked me if we had paid them customs at the desks any money and I said "no".
She said if we slipped them a couple of dollars, we'd be out of there in no time........and we were!!! That was 18 yrs. ago.....


Joe
said

Their country, their laws and their rules. That applies to any country you go to outside of Canada.


John
said

You want to talk about unfair trails, ask Steven Truscott or Robert Baltovich... That happened in Canada.
Mexican judges are as capable as Canadian judges. It’s easy to think someone is a victim when that person looks so fragile and cries in front of the cameras, and of course, when the media creates a biased story without giving all the facts.




A. Bica
said

Those comments that she received a larger than usual sum in severance pay so she must have known it was a scam and then the statement that she turned right around and invested it in his company makes no sense if she knew it was a scam why would she invest in it.

Lastly for those who complain about her costing the taxpayer, she'll receive credit for time served when she's transferred here which amounts to over 4 years of her 5 year sentence and it's likely she'll be released very quickly thereafter so it wouldn't be costing taxpayers much if anything.


Eleanor
said

I hope the Canadian gov
gets this poor woman home quickly
I would never vacation down there!!
@redleaf have a little heart, perhaps the poor woman needed to do something to keep her sanity. If something so trivial gave her a few moments of happiness and escape well I say there is nothing wrong with that!


Steve
said

People, people, people. I committed a supposed crime in Canada and got railroaded. So much so that my kids were taken. Then the CAS 2 months before my son's 18 birthday dumped him back on me after 23 foster and group homes. I was guilty of loving him I guess and fighting for him. Our wonderful justice system did this to my family.

We are no better than Mexico,so expect no more from our system. We just earn more so we think we are better. Get a grip.


Gerard
said

To:"disclosed"
I don't understand your statements;
"We as a democracy cannot rely on such systems as Mexico to confidently carry out a fair and democratic trail." I hope you meant trial not trail, but in any case trials are not democratic either here or in Mexico - they are proceedings governed by the laws of the country in question. Which Mexican laws were not complied with in the judicial process in this case. I haven't heard of any and I'm not sure that you have either. They have their rules and we have ours - it just happens that theirs are patterned on the Napoleonic code and they don't have a British system of jurisprudence.
"I am disappointed in the Canadian government for not taking any further actions knowing that they can, but publicly say they cannot." What actions are you asking that they take? Would you see it as reasonable if representatives of the Mexican government interfered in the trial of a Mexican national accused of a crime in Canada and demanded that we use their rules in dealing with the accused? We'd be insulted and shocked and rightly so as a sovereign nation.
"Brenda is not the first Canadian to have unfair legal trails in Mexico. As Canadians, our government has the responsibility to protect us no matter where we are in the world. I thought that would be a luxury that Canadians have."
If our government had a responsibility to protect us no matter where we were you wouldn't call it a "luxury", it would be a right. Once you leave Canadian jurisdiction you expose yourself to the institutions of the land you are visiting. Some have systems like ours and others do not. We all have to pay for our choices and decisions. Sometimes the price is high.



Mario
said

I agree with JD lets stay home and have fun! Bottom line is that Mexico is corrupted east to west north to south, when you get stuck in such situation there is merely a way out. There are many country most the of the time poor countries that treats their own people like animals we are subject to that as tourist.

I agree with the fact we don't know the whole story, but my senses tells me that if you know yourself that you were involved in a potential illegal activity and you get caught you sure won't be reacting like Brenda who is depressed and close to suicide.

I wish courage to her family and hope she will at least be able to server the time here in Canada.


Deborah
said

I will never spend my money going to mexico. You never know what will happen to you.
I feel so sorry for her. I hope she returns home soon and they just let her go. What a shame.


dale worsfold
said

when a person is issued a passport, it is with a warning that other countries do no necessarily have the same legal systems and we may have few or no rights there.

i have been to mexico and had no mishaps. my two neices have been to mexico and had no mishaps.

we have how many thousand people visit mexico each year with no mishaps.

brenda martin may or may not have been guilty, but she is not in canada, and she can't say that she was not warned. that is the bottom line for me.


Kevin Flack
said

I agree with everyone! I am enraged that first of all she has to prove her innocence, and secondly, you can hold someone for 2 years without trial.

The mexican judge ought to be ashamed, and I will definitely not be visiting Mexico either.

This is ridiuclous. Shame on Mexico.


m chiu
said

I agree 100% with 'red leaf' and 'lori'. Not even a dime should be spent on Brenda Martin to bring her back to Canada. No one can convince he/she lives with a snake and he/she does not know that is a snake. You live with a snake, you get bitten. What do you expect?


Just Desserts
said

I travel worldwide regularly and have lived in several countries that are much 'dodgier' than Mexico. I know that when I live in foreign countries that I need to do certain things, like have permission to work there, know and abide by their laws, culture and religion and to know that the Canadian government has no responsibilites to me if I misbehave. And I am an employee of the government with a passport saying as much.

Brenda Martin at best made a poor decision that she will not repeat. At worst, she knowingly committed a crime and now expects special treatment because she's from somewhere else. She was even a long term resident!

Fog of Life
said

Everyone in jail is innocent. Doesn't everyone know that?


Rick
said

If she were guilty, then the judge should have given the reasons why. How can any country place a foreigner on a 'guilty until proven innocent' list? That only feeds a corrupt justice system.

I'm all for boycotting Mexico.
Shame that it will only have limited effect.
Hopefully the smart ones will pick another country to visit, and the few visitors Mexico will lose, will make their government tourist industry feel the effect their policies have visitors.


KLS
said

"In Canada, you can get double credit for time served, so that would mean she has already served four years and four months if she gets the double-time clause,".

After reading the above, anyone who thinks Mexico's justice system is a joke ought to be thinking about our own. Mexican jails may be hard to get out of, but at least they're not doing everything they can to let criminals out and back onto the streets double time either.

And what's with all the drama. If Brenda Martin is probably going to be released back to Canada in a few weeks' time anyhow, why is her mother claiming this is going to kill her?


Heathrow
said

Boycott Mexico, Friends! This could happen to any one of us. A vacation could turn into a living nightmare in the drop of a sombrero.


DP
said

This is one more game from the media. They spend so much time on cases like this so this people can get all the attention. I'm pretty sure that this lady was not even on suicide watch before she had attention from the media.

Mexico obviously has problems but guess what? Canada has problems too.

There has been so much bad publicity about Mexico thanks to "perfect & innocent Canadians" who go to Mexico thinking that just because it is a third world country they can commit a crime without getting in trouble. It is so unfair when people blame or discriminate a country when they don't even know what happened.




Pedro Fernandez
said

I am Mexican and I'm not saying that my law system is perfect but yours is not great either so stop complaining! If u dont want to go to Mexico don't go, see if we care. When u become a perfect country give us a call!


Jennifer
said

Personally, I will not be avoiding Mexico. Secondly, as the pollsters mentioned, not all the facts are given here. Thirdly, you leave the country, you leave your rights as a Canadian citizen with you.




rob in calgary
said

The Mexican criminal justice system is a farce. Whether it's this case or one of the numerous cases of Canadians "jumping from hotel balconies", their system reeks of corruption and injustice. Thank God we have a better system here in Canada...such as it is. I love Mexico but have stopped going there due to my concerns. You don't have to be guilty to get into serious legal trouble there and no non-Mexican is ever seen as innocent when a Mexican is involved. Did our PM speak with the Mexican President about these issues in their recent meeting? I doubt it as Harper isn't much interested in any issue which might involve justice for an "average" Canadian.


Jennifer
said

For all those who are saying she deserves this and she is guilty, have you even been paying attention to this story? The prosecutors themselves have said that they had no credible evidence and that their case was based purely on circumstantial evidence. The only reason the judge found her guilty is because he knew if he didn't, then they would have to admit that they held her for 2 years in error. Let's hope none of you find yourselves in that situation. I bet then you'll be singing a different tune!

Winnipeg Man
said

Come on, people! Stop calling her innocent. She was tried, and now found guilty. Stop calling foul.

Oh, and to those many claiming to boycott Mexican vacations, I don't believe it for a second. You will go where it is cheap.

Jenny
said

Hey Pedro, it's our tourism that keeps your country going so you will start caring once you start losing all the money we spend down there!

Julie M.
said

What kind of country puts the onus on the accused to prove their innocence? A country that Canadians just seem to love to go to because it is "a cheap holiday". Well, it isn't so cheap when you are arrested and convicted of a crime you didn't commit and then your family has to try to get you back to Canada.
I'll say it again, Canadians are just plain stupid if they vacation in Mexico. Most go to have a good drunk and don't remember what happened or "wake up dead". There are two Canadian women who went to Mexico for a wedding and are still fighting to prove their innocence even though the hotel got rid of all of the evidence even before the bodies got cold.
It will be a cold day in hell before I or any of my family visit Mexico for a vacation.
Stay in Canada to vacation - it is a lot safer for Canadians than Mexico!!!


Ted from Kelowna
said

When you live in a foreign country you must abide by their laws etc. Now we have closure to this matter.
Were the Canadian Media duped by this woman. It seems apparently so. She has been found guilty and sentenced.
Lets at least bring her home so she can serve her sentence in an humane atmosphere. Lets face it; Canadian prisons are like hotels compared to Mexican prisons.
I feel for her BUT just can't help thinking she new what was going on and was a part of it.
Does she get credit for time spent?
You bet she should!!!!!

Greg
said

I was just married in Jamaica two weeks ago..... my friends as well as my travel agents tried to talk us into going to Mexico.....we refused.
There is only one way we can reply to this sort of treatment of our own citizens, this case along with the Ianiero's in '06 and Mr. Toews to name a few recent cases. We must stop supporting them.
I don't understand that how we as Canadians cannot see how unjust and how corrupt the justice system is. If we are going to make any kind of impact unfortunately it has to come through finances. I suggest we start by not supporting their tourism industry......(their fourth largest sector).
This removes us from having to "experience" the "in-justice" system as well as helping to send a message to the government that we as a free society do not condone their system.
I will not be traveling there until I see some positive changes taking place.

David fm NS
said

Lots of hypocriticism on here. Do any of you folks vacation in Cuba? Also, didn't we just exonerate a man today who was found guilty of murder in the Canadian justice system 18 years ago? My gut tells me that Brenda Martin is guilty. I would be very interested to read the judgement of the Mexican court. I hope it is made public. Ms. Martin should be asking to serve her time in Canada humbly as we are not obliged to lobby for this. What about all of those families who lost their life savings.

Lorne
said

The Canadian Government should not be involved in this case. The individual should not be brought back to Canada to serve her time, at taxpayers expense.
There are a lot of facts that we do not know about, but I'm sure that Ms. Martin was aware of what she was doing, when she made the so-called investment.
You abide by the law of the country that you are in.
Those people who feel that Ms. Martin should be freed, should pay the costs to prove her innocence and don't take any further trips to Mexico.

Frank39
said

I don't think any country convicts without some evidence. I think there is a lot more to this story then we hear (through crocodile tears) from Ms Martin.

Fred
said

As far as I am concerned she got what she deserves. If anything, this country should follow suit in regards to dishing out just punishments.

This woman in my mind is as guilty as the day is long. For anyone with any kind of background on behaviour analysis can attest, this woman's body language and eye movement displays all the attributes of a "Guilty Person."

My only wish, is that she not get sent back to Canada to serve her time. We all know how that will play out in "Club's Fed"

I do feel for her mother at home, however, it is only natural that one would protect their own.

Nancy
said

I don't know what to think. She might be innocent or she might not. What do we know about her or what she did? Not enough.
It was wrong of the Mexican authorities to hold her for 2 years without a trial, but I am not sure the "guilty" verdict is wrong.
I must say I did not appreciate her attitude of entitlement towards the Canadian Government helping her (or not) with OUR tax dollars. She was living in another country after all and making no contributions in Canada.

Kenneth Irons
said

The type of justice we have in Canada, and, for instance, the United States, is the LEAST-PRACTISED type of justice throughout the countries of the world. Many countries, like Mexico, adhere to what is known as the Napoleonic Code, which means that you are guilty until proven innocent, and not the other way round, as in Canada.
We also have quite a number of Honorary Consuls in various parts of Mexico, who are there to help if you are in trouble. It is extremely difficult to contact them if you are already under arrest in Mexico, as you may not be allowed a phone call even if you did know the number - I have wintered in Mexico for many years and have personal experience of this.
The wise thing to do, if you intend staying for any length of time, is to immediately register with the nearest Canadian Consul, and also get his or her own address, phone no., etc., immediately on arrival.
I have much sympathy for Ms. Martin, but I do feel she must have broken the laws of that country and was caught.

Betty N
said

Boycott Mexico. This is a classic example of why. I have never been to Mexico and don't plan to go there either. There are so many other beautiful places to go though it may cost a bit more. Isn't it worth it instead of a situation like Brenda Martins? Think about it travellers!

Bob
said

This is just one more reason not to vacation in Mexico. The justice system is as corrupt as is the rest of the country.

I would not feel safe travelling in Mexico. I could end up imprisoned on any drummed-up charge.

Sean
said

Suicide watch? Get serious, as this is the same manipulator that took part in a prison beauty pageant.

I love Mexico; always have, always will. Mexicans are far more genuine than Canadians.

Ash
said

What makes you think she was innocent? She had no work visa, probably paid no taxes in Mexico or Canada, I hav been to Mexico many times and will continue to do so. Laws are different, they use the same Napoleonic laws as France and many other countries. Just obey the laws, do no indulge in risky behaviour e.g. late partys in risky neighbourhoods - just like in Canada and you will be OK

Trixee
said

Even though Brenda Martin is probably innocent, the corrupt Mexican government still had to find her guilty to save face. Needless to say, I'm not going to Mexico anytime soon

Vince M.
said

That's just great. Now we get to deal with her.

I can imagine we shall have advocates telling us how unjust the Canadian legal system is for keeping her locked up.

Thank God for Canada
said

There are a lot more Mexicans who would like to leave Mexico than there are Canadians who would like to leave Canada. I also met an Iranian yesterday who told me that he paid authorities in Iran $10.000 so that he would not have to serve in the Iranian army.
Those Canadians who do not appreciate what we have here are not correct!

LKM
said

If this woman is innocent it's terrible but, she's not being railroaded, she's been given a fair trial under MEXICAN law which puts onus on charged to prove their innocence.

Canada doesnt tell Mexico how to run it's justice system.

Terry
said

Clearly, this should spell out what could happen to anyone, (not just Canadians )when in Mexico. Their judicial system is nothing but a travesty within itself. It will be a cold day in hell before this reader ever travels to Mexico again. A definite eye opener!

Viva Mexico!
said

Why the heck should we boycott Mexico?

They didnt do anything wrong, they simply administered their nations justice system, sorry but there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm hoping to hit the Mayan Riviera in a few months!

Shamaro
said

I truly feel sorry for this woman. Is she guilty or innocent? We don't have all the facts, however Mexican justice isn't very well known to be that fair. We all have our opinions about this, but I do know that our government is doing whatever it can to free this woman and now that she's been found guilty and sentenced to 5yrs in prison, they will have to work even harder to get her out.

LOVE MEXICO!!!
said

You gamble and you pay the price. I love Mexico, will continue to go there every year and I will continue to tell people how beautiful it is and how wonderful the locals are. I am not sure what everyone is worked up about, she is being sent back to Canada where she can continue her beauty pagents and fashions shows in the pampered comfort of our so called jails here.....at the cost of every taxpayer in this country. Get real folks.

Frank
said

To me,Brenda is a Mexican not a Canadian and now that shes guilty,she should serve her sentence there.
I cant beleive how many people support this criminal.
Do the crime,do the time.Its that simple.

Kay
said

As for any arguements in defence of the Mexican judicial system, forget it.True,judicial systems are not perfect,however,as a Canadian citizen I cannot recall of any prisoner being held on similar charges for 2+ years without proceeding forward to trial and without at least a minimum of proper legal representation.It is clear that without pressure from Canada,Brenda Martin could well have spent several more years awaiting a trial as well as suitable legal representation.In my opinion,for anyone with concerns regarding travelling through or visiting Mexico,the solution is simple, DON'T GO THERE!

Sam
said

With respect to all the people hysterically screaming "Boycott Mexico" I think that they need to simmer down a bit. I deplore the fact that Brenda Martin was held for two years without trial, as well as the conditions. However, as Canadians, while we are entitled to assistance from our Government (which incidentally has done a piss-poor job of providing it in a number of cases lately), that should not be taken to mean that any Canadian who gets into trouble abroad is entitled to a free pass. The overwhelming majority of those who vacation in Mexico do so with no major problems at all. With that said, it is important to recognize that Mexico is a sovereign nation. When you travel there, you are subject to their laws and customs, and the same goes around the world. Far too many tourists forget this, and are unaware of their surroundings, placing themselves in dangerous situations which can lead to devastating consequences for them. If boycotting Mexico makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, then go for it. But the reality is that you can travel there and be every bit as safe as anywhere else, so long as you are smart, and aware of your surroundings. Don't trust someone with thousands of dollars of your money just because you know them. Deal with well-established companies if you want to invest. Just like up here, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.


kw
said

Jennifer. I agree this is a sad situation and I do hope the Canadian Gov't will return Brenda as quickly as possible. I hope the Mexican Gov't will release the reasons for their decision. I have wondered if Brenda Martin living and working in Mexico for 10 years without a work visa and without paying taxes in either Mexico or Canada had anything to do with this decision. Brenda was being paid a salary for working for Mr Waage. Brenda was not paying taxes on this salary. Mr Waage paid her salary; therefore, it stands to reason that Brenda Martin must have made an arrangement with Mr Waage to be paid under the table. I wonder if this arrangement would constitute collusion and if that is where the conspiracy came into things. Just trying to reason out the Mexican Gov't logic.


David A. Byrne
said

I advocate a total boycott of Mexico, as well as refusal to enter into any form of trade agreement with that country, until they demonstrate that they deserve any vacation revenue, or any trade advantages whatsoever.


ed
said

She is a Canadian expat that would rather live in Mexico. She was found guilty of committing a crime there, and now she should do the time there!!


Dan
said

The fact that she reinvested the money she received from her employer proves she is innocent. Her employer was a scam artist and it is common for them to fleece everybody. He was scamming millions and didn't need her few bucks. Guys like him can't help themselves. That's why she's innocent! Haven't you noticed yet, Brenda got nailed while he tried to get away. Typical scam artist scenario.


Dr. Mirco Walther
said

I travel a lot for work and because of my travel, 35 people in Canada have work. In fact, I'm posting this comment from my hotel room in Taiwan. If I were to be accused of a crime in a country which places the burden of proof on the accused, I would expect a demand that the Canadian government would come to the rescue. The affidavit alone which was signed by Brenda Martin's former employer would be enough to have her acquitted in a Canadian court of law.


Allan Eizinas
said

Hey – what happened to the Conservative “Get tough on crime” program?

This individual was found guilty of a crime by a democratic government, while on the soil of a democratic government and by the state laws of a democratic government.

What happened to allowing another democratic state to deal with another Canadian citizen (Omar Khadr) who has been held for 6 years without a trial?

Is this an example of “justice by media”?



Naomi
said

The justice system in Mexico is a joke. We should get rid of the free trade with Mexico and boycott it. I for one will NEVER travel to that country.

I don't think things have progressed very far since my husband was a little boy and he and his parents tried to go through the border. His parents had to PAY the customs people there just so they could cross.


JP
said

It seems that nobody is aware that the actual judicial process was done in at least three parts. In the first one, the main process was started. Half way through it was stopped (at the request of Ms. Martin Lawyers) to “explore” a different avenue (this is the second part). Rather than wait for the process to run its course, Ms. Martin and her Lawyers decided that they were going to ask a superior court to dismiss all the charges and ask for her release from prison (based on some technicality related to her arrest). Why did they try this option? Maybe because proving her innocence was not a slam dunk as we are lead to believe, or maybe because they though it was faster and they got better chances to succeed. Anyway, when they filed such an appeal, the Judge in her case was ordered to stop working on her file, while the superior court dealt with the request. It was dealt with and the ruling was that the original case was to be resumed. So the bet didn’t pay, but they wasted a good amount of time in this second part. Finally, the Judge in the case was allowed to resume the process (third part) and today he gave the verdict.

So she had two judicial processes and not one as most people think. Still… more than two years seems like a lot of time… and indeed it is. My guess is that the whole thing could have been faster if the whole case was dealt in Mexico’s official language… but it was not. Most documents that were part of the trial needed to be translated from/to English to/from Spanish. And in many cases, Ms. Martin Lawyers further delayed the process by not providing translations when required.

I’ve been following this case since the very beginning, and I don’t know if she is guilty or innocent. I only know that today she was found guilty in a Court of Law.




KPJ
said

I can't believe some of the cold-hearted comments posted on here. Most of you would sing a different tune if it was your sister, mother, aunt, cousin, etc. that was in the same situation. What's the point of having a Canadian passport if the Canadian gov't wouldn't support you? Of course they should! I would also encourage people not to travel to Mexico. Too many Canadians have been given a raw deal when it comes to justice. It seems to me that Brenda did not know that her boss was a crook. She was guilty by association. I pray she will be able to come back to Canada soon.


Tabby
said

If someone gets arrested in Canada, I dont want them to interfere .
But Brenda didnt do a thing, even her boss says she didnt.
Now the next time a Canadian gets arrestedin another country, will we have to save them from prison.
How far will we go and how much money will we pay.
are we just bleeding hearts.



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