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Date: Thu. Apr. 3 2008 11:35 PM ET
Conservative MP Tom Lukiwski apologized Thursday after a 16-year-old videotape surfaced in which he makes offensive remarks about homosexuals, including that they spread disease.
On the tape, Lukiwski, who represents the Saskatchewan riding of Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre, says:
"Let me put it to you this way -- there's As and Bs. The As are guys like me. The Bs are homosexual faggots with dirt under their fingernails that transmit diseases.''
NDP MP Bill Siksay raised the issue in the House of Commons Thursday, reading a transcript of the comments.
Conservative House Leader Peter Van Loan replied that he was not familiar with the tape, but said the comments sounded "distressing and inappropriate" and that they'll be given "due attention."
Following question period, Lukiwski, who was a provincial Tory organizer at the time, apologized and told reporters that he was ashamed.
"Obviously I just found out in the last 30-40 minutes that some comments I made back in 1991 have been made public and I just want to publicly say I am truly, truly sorry," said Lukiwski.
Lukiwski said he doesn't currently share the views expressed on the tapes.
"I have the utmost respect, I have no prejudice against gay people whatsoever," said Lukiwski.
"Those comments do not reflect the type of person I am and I'm very, very sorry."
The federal Liberals are now calling on the Tories to strip Lukiwski of his parliamentary secretary status.
Liberal MP Ralph Goodale noted the irony Thursday of what happened to the last MP in the Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre, Larry Spencer.
In 2003, Harper, who was at that time the opposition leader of the Canadian Alliance, kicked Spencer out of caucus after he suggested that homosexuality should be made illegal.
"The previous Conservative member for this same riding -- Mr. Spencer -- was dumped by his party for similarly offensive attitudes,'' said Liberal MP Ralph Goodale.
"Will the government House leader require the member to step aside today from his duties as parliamentary secretary until this matter can be properly investigated and resolved?''
But later Thursday, Van Loan said the Conservatives were satisfied with the apology.
"We believe that Mr. Lukiwski has made an unequivocal apology for those comments and indicated clearly that he does not hold those views,'' said Van Loan. "We welcome that quick and unequivocal apology and consider the matter is now closed.''
Wall apologizes
Meanwhile, Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall is also shown on the tape making comments that appear to make fun of the Ukrainian heritage of former Saskatchewan premier Roy Romanow, who defeated the provincial Tories in the 1991 election.
Wall, putting on a thick eastern European accent, appears to be making fun of Romanow in a mock interview.
"Roy Romanow's got his head up his ass,'' says Wall. "I don't even know how he walks upright with his head so far up his ass.''
Wall, in his mid 20s and a ministerial assistant for the PC party at the time, apologized Thursday for his comments on the tape.
"There needs to be an apology made for those people who are still involved in the party and who offended somebody on the tape, I think that's reasonable, that's certainly the case for me," Wall told reporters.
He said he's going to call Romanow and apologize for using "bad language" and a "disrespectful tone" concerning his predecessor.
Still, Wall said "it just never was then, and neither would it ever be, in any way an attempt to slight any group."
"However if anyone would take it in that way at all -- take any offence in this way at all to that -- I would unequivocally apologize to those groups, especially with respect to the remarks I made.''
At a press conference in Regina Thursday, Deputy Saskatchewan NDP leader Pat Atkinson called the comments, especially those made by Lukiwski, "disturbing and quite hateful."
The Saskatchewan New Democrats claim they found the tape after they moved into Opposition offices following Wall's Saskatchewan Party victory in last fall's provincial election.
With files from The Canadian Press
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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Gord
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greg cambridge
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Some people need a life.
Trent
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Back in the early 90's a lot of people had homophobic views mainly because AIDS.
Everyone has things from their past they are not proud of but if i were him i would be more upset at having his political opponents going into his past and digging up something that has no relevance on today. Everyone changes their views over time, everyone matures.
Our politicians are getting pathetic in their attacks. Focus on the job you were elected to do!
Tom
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david cooke
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"I see your true colours shining through....."
Reece
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Daniel in Edmonton
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Fay
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Judi Johnny
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Sahib Reginawale
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Tim
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Firth
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Proud Saskatchewan Resident
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Dan Kruk
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In essence, we just can't have hate-filled comments made by elected leaders--regardless if they were made sixteen years ago or today--to go unchallenged and unpunished.
Bruce
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Ian from Toronto
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Also, I am amazed the Left has to go back two decades for "dirt". First Dion's use of the 1988 Reform platform, now this. Things must be looking up for Canadians.
Rob
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Johnny
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I think that he felt very badly, and his apology should be taken at face value.
I would add that politicians of all political stripes make unacceptable comments that they regret later on. To err is human...
david
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If somebody called me a heterosexual with dirt under my fingernails, I would get over it.
ray
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Milly
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Raj
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R
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I think that we should agree that only people that have never said something they regret later, should be able to post!
Ooops! I guess I shouldn't have posted.
Kim
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RDS
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Steve
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Edb
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Oh-oh, better call an election.
Jeff
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swoop
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"Stephan Dion was involved with the sovereignty movement, first as a teenager attending a Jesuit college in Quebec City, and later as a university student campaigning for Parti Québécois candidate Louise Beaudoin in the 1976 election" - wikipedia
If we are going to start a witch hunt for comments made by people many years ago, why stop with Mr Lukiwski? Let's go for everyone, including Stephan Dion explaining to us why a former separatist thinks the Canadian public should trust him being PM.
Robinhood
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"I'm glad that Mr. Lukiwski had the courage to admit his mistake and put the issue behind him."
I'm sure he had to admit his mistake considering it was already taped! hard to deny. ha ha. Not sure if it's behind him though? What goes around comes around, eventually.
Anyhow, its stunts like this why the Conservatives are still not a main stream national party. Albeit it was a long way back but, rightly or wrongly, it still paints the conservative neck with red. Sorry but thats how many skeptical voters like me will see it. I hope the apology was sincere.
Jay
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I think I've said offensive comments about gays 17 years ago as well.
Let it go Gay Community, its time to move on.
Lindsey C
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Dee
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Bonnie N
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Wait a minute - Mr. Lukiwski was 40 at the time he made his "party" video. I know that my opinions and views are the same now as they were when I was forty.
Get over it - he neither represents Canadian values or deserves our sympathy.
The only thing he regrets is getting caught using hateful words to impress his Conservative Party buddies in a video.
He should resign.
Anonymous
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reality man
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Devon K.
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I cannot condemn anyone for how they felt back then just because they are now discovered on video tape from that time saying stuff we consider inappropriate now.
Honestly does it even make sense to be digging that far back into anyone's life to look for dirt?
Brian
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That said, you have to wonder why they quote the words he used but then go on to only refer to others making remarks.
Why would you not quote these words/remarks...
same old biased reporting.
Chris
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Toby
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Stupid comments once made by intelligent souls usually lead to wiser understanding in hindsight.
In this case, I'd suggest this person's thinking, like much of society,has changed into a tolerant understanding of various life-styles.
There are more important agendas today then some comment made years ago.
Carrot
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Paul R
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Frank Buchan
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Bill
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mikelondon
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Mike Reeder
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So you agree that Trudeau made I mistake that he should have apologized for? And that Chretien should say sorry for lying to the Canadian public. Thank you.
Ryan P
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gord
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Come on this was 17 years ago when more than half the world coulds have been termed as homophobic by todays standards.
Again the NDP caught grasping for straws.
Ron
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Russ
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GBob
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Dan
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Todd
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I think Brad Wall is good for Saskatchewan at this particular time and I really hope he no longer carries the same prejudices he obviously had in the past.
Bill in Edmonton
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san
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raj
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Pussy Willow
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If he does that, then I'll believe he's truly sorry and has respect for the gay community.
Enough already...
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wayne glaab
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mac
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C-label Party neurotic anxiety level rising.
It's all a conspiracy.
Panic looms for C-label Party.
Leboski
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Oh wait, that's right back to reality. The right wing blunders are to be forgiven, the NDP blunders remain relevant for all time. I really don't care how folks handle this, I just care that we start treating all politicians equally and stop the right wing slant on everything. Could you imagine if the Tories got there hands on a tape with Dion 17 years ago making comments at a party? Anyone here with a straight face wanna say the right wing would defend him in the same manner?... Hmm Don't think so.
Marc
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Bill
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Lets not waste everyones time and money on something that was said way back when
Chris
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Can anyone (especially aboriginals) say "double standard"?
Daryl
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Steve
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Just shows how low some folks will go to make a story out of nothing.
Jay in NS
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Besides...how bright can he be if he was silly enough to be taped saying those things. I'll truly enjoy watching his demise!
JD in Alberta
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resign and apologize to all Canadians for supporting the separation of Quebec, oh so many years ago. Gee was that on tape too? What about P.E.T mocking the Queen right behind her back, was he forced to resign?? Get a grip people.
Happy Canadian
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I don't care what anybody said that long ago. i know there is stuff from that time I would regret today!!
Take a look at the recent record before you hang them from the rafters of Parliament. (Wait, wasn't that just used recently, and ignored? Only because it wasn't said about some special interest group!)
Get of the BS people and spend our moneytime on important stuff!! Like supporting our military with real items and not fake sympathy!!
Get to work and knock off the idiot stuff!
K Fehr
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I believe that both men are sincerely sorry and that's where it should be left. There is no reason, I believe, to fire them or call for resignations. I'm sure many a Canadian has felt, thought, or said something along the same line a time or two, whether it be 17 years ago or just yesterday.
Ivan
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Bettyann
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Jeff S.
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There is significant evidence that Pierre Elliot Trudeau was indifferent to the actions of the nazis at a time when they were slaughtering jews by the millions and killing thousands of allied soldiers. At the very least, he didn't feel the need to fight for his country. Does that mean everything else that Trudeau did after WWII should be dirtied by his ignorance and/or willful blindness?
Devon K.
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"I do not want people who are this stupid to represent me, on any level, in any government." - Ron
The above comments are an example of the narrow mindedness on both sides of this issue.
Tom Lukiwski said something 17 years ago we think is stupid and wrong. He's apologized for it.
Yet there are people who are in many ways showing the same intolerance and lack of understanding. Saying both of the men involved should resign or that they are too stupid to be elected members of Parliament is saying that these two people are incapable of change. Lukiwski apologized and seemed very sincere. Why are people so darn needy to toss him out for something said 17 years ago?
Gay, straight, black, white, etc we all make mistakes and we've all said and done things we regret. Let's give the guy a chance to continue serving and let the voters of his riding make the final call.
A little forgiveness goes a long way!
Jeff
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CWS
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The Opposition is Desperate
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Vincent
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If he wants to make amends he should probably do some work to regain his constituency's and gay community's trust.
Also, he was 40 years old when the comments were made. If he would have said it in his teens or 20's thats one thing, but you finalize your views and prejudices WELL before 40. How many people over 40, 50, 60 + still hold on to anti-gay prejudices? People seem to get MORE prejudiced as they get older, not less!
AH
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Dave Ruud, London, Ontario.
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That's why I'm not a politician, because I wouldn't have said sorry.
Todd
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DED
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Edward in Vancouver
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Peter
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David
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Is there no end to political correctness?
CM
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- Politically Correct Rhetoric: CHECK
- Media Present: CHECK
Liberals start your engines!
OK so what he said was stupid, but 17 years ago? Give the guy a break, I’m sure he’s changed now if he said this all last week then I’d be upset. Besides anyone owes an apology here it’s the guy who sold him that disco Stu shirt.
ian
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Mark5
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RA
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hollinm
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However people do evolve and mature. He was not an elected member at the time and his record as a politician should stand for something.
The comments were offensive but he has apologized and it is time to move on. I am sure he has learned his lesson. However, we know because he is a Conservative the media will cover this ad nauseum and the opposition will continue to malign him because it is in their partisan interests. So sad.
Shawna
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Mel from Sask.
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David
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Sask Man
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These opposition parties have nothing but garbage to dig through to find, things to sling at the ruling parties here in Sask and federally.
Those who are perfect in all things they said in the past have the right to cast the first stone.
Denny in Sask
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gr
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Brad G
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Sheryl
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Libbey
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It is also ridiculous that people think this is "fine". It absoutely isn't.
I hope there are serious consequences to this tape resurfacing. It is not right and it is also not right for people to just brush it off.
Shirlee
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Marylyn
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Sindy
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Dave
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Pete Adams
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Chuck
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paul
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mf
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It's far too late now to punish him. He has apologized and has learned by his mistakes.
Another liberal ploy by chance?
Paul Jenkins
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Greg
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And I don't really buy into people changing their basic nature just because, in the meantime, we've all learned how wrong it is to be hateful; cynical as this may sound, I think that most tolerance for diversity in this country is lip service (read gum flapping!) to peer pressure, i.e. people have learned not to say aloud what they think might get them into trouble.
As to its being 17 years later, I seem to recall some book or other that's real old, maybe more than 20 or so, that advises Judge not, that ye be not judged, and Do unto others..., etc. Guess no one was reading that 17 years ago...
Tim
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Leonardo Bustamie
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The palestinian people has suffered for the past 60 years, neither they nor the Isreali state gave up or let go of their claim. What I mean even if something happened 17 years ago.. Doesn't mean that the person is now changed or they doesn't share the same view.
How would people feel is Mr. Lukiwski made this remark about Irish white people ?? Racist once, racist forever, he then must go.
Bob
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Keith
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Alex
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Hell, back in those days I thought homosexuality was acceptable. Then along came the "politically correct" who convinced me otherwise.
Robert777
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There are bigger issues, like the Ontario government driving the province into recession because of poor taxiation policies.
Rick
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Drake
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Please focus on governing our country.
Reality Check
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Wade
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UI
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Crazy Jim
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Did they have absolutely no idea about public perception? Did it not occur to them that somebody someday would watch the video? This kind of amateur politics is why the Liberals walked into 3 straight majority governments. The people that he should really be apologizing to are his party members and supporters. Not for his views but for this kind of political sloppiness.
RRR Lethbridge
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JLT
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If your going to make tapes of yourself being drunken & hateful, you should have the common sense to erase it, not leave it were your political enemies will find it!!
Tom
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What he said then;;;does not reflect who he has become today!!!
Erich
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Alex Nelson
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Nadine
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Jim
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Wade
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Steve
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Steve H.
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Ian
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Stephane Dion screaming hysterically for the next week or so that this MP should resign, or some other such rot. And the opposition says that the Consrvatives are Republican American wannabees.
Kris
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Not Different? Say what?
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I'm straight, and I love people. Period. No exceptions. Black people, white people, gay people, straight people, all people.
But, I don't necessarily agree with or love people's actions (i.e a terrorist killing people, sexual promiscuity, gay sex, people stealing, etc).
And to say that "that gay people are no different then themselves" is sure a stretch. Chinese are different than Indians; gay people are different that straight people; men are different than women.
chrs
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Im confused. Once a bigot always a bigot. How can anyone downplay this ignorance because a period of time has passed?
Chris
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I am a gay male and am satisfied with the apology. He responded to it, admitted it and apologised. You really can't ask for more.
I will however say that I am skeptical if they are his actual views or not. However, you really don't truly know any politicians "real" views.
I would be more curious why the NDP decided it should release it, it serves no purpose.
I think those who think homosexuality is still controversial should remember that slavery at one time was as well. One day we will look back on these very conversations and think about how backwards they really are.
Good for him for apologizing. It’s good enough for me.