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Chinese ambassador: Dalai Lama 'lies to the world'

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Date: Wednesday Mar. 26, 2008 11:54 PM ET

Just days after accusing the Dalai Lama of being a slave owner, China's ambassador to Canada is now calling the Tibetan spiritual leader a serial liar.

Lu Shumin also compared Tibet's government -- before the Chinese takeover in 1950 -- to Nazi Germany.

"The Dalai Lama has been telling lies to the world for decades," Lu told journalists at a news conference held Wednesday at the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa.

The statements were the latest in a series of attacks Lu has made about the Dalai Lama, a figure renowned by respected international dignitaries for his adherence to peace and non-violence.

On Monday, Lu told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live that the Dalai Lama was a slave owner, a claim rejected by a world authority on Chinese history. In an interview with CTV.ca on Tuesday, Timothy Brook, the principal of St. John's College, a graduate school at the University of British Columbia, warned the Chinese ambassador not to misrepresent history.

Brook said Lu's slavery claim was an outrageous statement coming from the representative of a country that is destroying the Tibetan people and their culture.

Tibet did have a system of bonded service in its past, but so did China and many other societies around the world, said Brook, noting that "these were not slaves on a plantation."

"If I were the ambassador, I would be very careful about using language like that. It is neither historically accurate, nor is it a way to deal with the current situation," he said.

But Lu went even further on Wednesday in what appears to be a concerted Chinese effort to tarnish the image of the Dalai Lama. He told reporters that a German visitor to Tibet in the mid-1930s found Tibet's system of governance quite similar to Nazi rule.

He also said Tibet was like "medieval Europe" before the Chinese takeover. Not referring specifically to Lu's latest vituperation, Brook noted that the ambassador's ventures into history bring forth little more than archaic and weak arguments.

"The ambassador really has a 19th century mentality, which is the civilizing mission. You civilize the barbarians," Brook said.

"If change needs to come to Tibet, it should come from the Tibetan people. It shouldn't come fom the Chinese people."

Brook noted that what is important is Tibet's recent history -- after China's takeover. He said the Chinese have forced Tibetans out of their homeland, brought ethnic Chinese into the region, and started a process which is about to destroy Tibetan culture altogether. He also said the Chinese are exploiting Tibet's natural resources at an unsustainable rate, drying out lakes, and creating "huge environmental problems."

Several world leaders have expressed concerns about Chinese suppression of human rights, especially in light of recent protests in Tibet, which turned deadly in mid-March. Chinese authorities violently suppressed demonstrations, and about 100 people appear to have died.

Lu accused the Dalai Lama of directly influencing demonstrators and violence, but gave no evidence.

The demonstrations and Lu's comments come as the world's attention is focused on China as it prepares to host the 2008 Olympic Games later this year. At least two European countries -- France and Belgium -- have suggested full or partial boycotts of the Games due to allegations of Chinese human rights abuses.

Lu said politics should be kept separate from the games.

"We certainly don't agree with politicizing the Olympics because it is against the Olympic spirit. I think most Canadian athletes will agree with me (on) that too and don't want to suffer and become a victim of a political game," he said.

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CaRteR
said

If it was the United States crushing the Tibetan uprising and saying such outrageous things, crowds by the millions would be in the streets of every major city around the globe.


kenteio
said

You dont have to say it in the public, everyone knows that he is a liar. His life is like a rock star touring the globe while dumb people listen to his rants.


Bruce
said

I'm afraid the Chinese ambassador will find very few people outside of Beijing who believe what he has been told to say.


Denise
said

"kenteio
You dont have to say it in the public, everyone knows that he is a liar. His life is like a rock star touring the globe while dumb people listen to his rants."

Everyone knows? Wow, that's a reach, don't you think? I certainly don't claim to be an expert on the history of Tibet, but the Dalai Lama has thousands upon thousands of supporters around the world. Are you saying that ALL of those people are dumb? Are you saying that you've asked everyone in the world and they ALL told you that the Dalai Lama is a liar? Stupid question, I know, but a stupid comment rates a stupid response...


UBC Student
said

In making his comments, the ambassador shows that only a country that ignores genocide and human rights (like the way China does) could actually try to draw comparisons between the Dalai Lama and Adolf Hitler.


chuck
said

China and the Olympics. Both are pretty corrupt.
Canada should stay away from both.


Loren
said

I really do not understand how can this guy compare Tibet traditional government to Nazi Germany. The Chinese government and all its representatives worldwide are unscrupulous people. We know what the Chinese government is doing to their own people. All the civilized world should send a clear message to this criminal government who ahead of the olympic games is arresting and killing not just tibetans but everybody who wants to show what is really happening in China, including journalists, human rights activists. The Chinese government has no respect for any religious, human and social freedoms.


Jim
said

This is so bogus and the west won't buy this outrageous claims by Lu, and he is crazy if he thinks the west would beieve any of this nonsense! But it is too bad Tibet didn't have Oil Rigs, then the US and other countries would step up and protect these human rights!


hannes, nbay
said

It is time the IOC takes some social responsibility and issues a public statement


eastwind
said

Why can Timothy Brook be selected as the principle of a kind of college? The guy only knows the historic events only after 1950 in China, and dare deny the other Chinese historic facts before that time.


Turk
said

Ah, who to believe?

Dalai Lama | China

The man or the machine.


Wasabi Chopstick LoMien
said

I do not believe Dala Lama. I love my country and I do not like people to be beaten up. I love peace. What did Dala Lama do to make peace? I don't know.


James Kenworthy
said

For the Chinese Ambassador to call the Dalai Lama a slave owner is an outrage. The Dalai Lama has always been a man of peace who never incited violence and never held anyone in subjugation. Also, to claim that Tibet was like Nazi Germany is equally, if not more, outrageous. I compared videos of China under Mao Zedong with Germany under Adolph Hitler, and the only difference between the two was that the Nazis gave the Storm Troopers and Hitler Jungen finely tailored brown uniforms, while Mao's Red Guards were only given red arm bands. Mao's Red Guards were a combination of the Storm Troopers and Hitler Youth all wrapped in one. I also saw no difference between Red Guards saluting with clenched fists yelling "Mao Zedong Wan Sui (Long Live Mao Zedong)" and Germans saluting with an outstretched arm and open hand and yelling "Sieg Heil" or "Heil Hitler". In fact, China's argument for occupying Tibet is very similar to Hitler's arguments for annexing Austria and Czechoslovakia.


Al
said

Although there appears to be little any individual can do, the Canadian public can take a stand by simply refusing to watch any of the Olympics on T.V.


Ryan
said

Politics and the Olympics go hand in hand. It's always been this way and will continue to be this way. I can't believe the Chinese ambassador think Canadians will follow his words blindly. This is like a soap opera.


GP
said

Here we go…the massive Chinese government spin machine should start kickin in and drowned any pro-Tibetan prospective in a tidal wave of manipulative propaganda.

From hiring the best US PR companies to threatening financial retaliation to corporations that do business in China (that would be the corporate world), this is where the Chinese will take the gloves off. The Olympics are one of the few times the Chinese a vulnerable, and they know it. Time to grow a set and call the Chinese government for what it is…another super-power want-ta-be brutalizing weaker people.


Steve
said

The mouthpiece for one of the most violent and brutal regimes on earth calling a Tibetan Buddhist monk a liar? Come on! And they have never lied. "Sticks and stones will break my bones but..." It just show's how fetid and desperate the Chinese regime is. The Chinese people are nice but the regime is the worst on earth.


Marc Arbian
said

Wow, Dali Lama owns slaves, he incites violence, is a terrorist leader and lies to the world. So why doesn't China want the world to see these atrocitites? Why are no journalist or cameras allowed? Any independent observers? Why are the Chinese trying to limit if not eliminate live Olympic coverage?

Seriously, I hope our government stands up to the Chinese and not only boycott the opening ceremonies but actually boycott these games, we boycotted Moscow for less.

An athelete is not a hero, winning a gold medal does not make you a hero, a hero is someone who sees something wrong and does something about it. Mr. Harper why don't you lead for once?


Peter Kary
said

As a canadian I totally support "peaceful" protest in Tibet, but those violent demonstrators killed innocent people, burning the stores and looting. Those kind of demonstrators should be treated same as terrorists like 9.11 in New York City. I hope that our goverment should not send any "Tibet statement" to encourage those situation and supports the declared policy of the Chinese government to protect the lives and property of its citizens from violent demonstrators with minimum use of force. We can't put double standard for the same violent behaviour.


Jimmy
said

Where are the peace activists? Where are the demonstrations? Where is the call to boycott Chinese products?

This is a tyranical regime and the peaceniks are silent. They love to condemn George Bush as a war monger and protest everywhere he goes internationally, especially in Canada.

I suppose they are in agreement with China's treatment of Tibetans and their own people. Typical.


Pete
said

It would be nice if the Olympic athletes did not boycott the games or even the opening ceremonies, but rather attended and when the last country entered the stadium, all of the assembled athletes lay down on the ground as a mass protest.

If not that, then show up as scheduled and then refuse to enter the stadium. It would be one of the most effective peaceful protests ever.

--Pete


Peter
said

It's hypocritical for the Chinese Ambassador to compare the Dalai Lama with Hitler. Maybe he has forgotten that Chairman Mao, the founder of Communist China, killed over 30 million people opposed to his regime, including at least 1.2 million Tibetans.

Albert
said

China thinks it can impress the world by hosting the Olympics. Instead they keep making fools of themselves with their backward behaviour and absurd statements. The civilized world would be far more impressed with China if it just adopted decent human rights and freedoms, but that won't happen. Fancy buildings and colourful ceremonies will not be able to hide obvious political realities that the whole world can see.


A group of people from Hong Kong living in Toronto
said

If you ask any chinese in Canada, I think most of us will support the chinese government this time. We are coming from China, we all know what is happening in China and the west. We watch all the news reported from China, Hong Kong and the west.

If you ask the people inside Tibet, over 90% will support one China. The West now only focus on the 10% of Tibetans who want Independence. There are 56 nations in China, Tibet is one of the 56 nations, we all want One China.

We all sure that Dala Lama is a liar this time.

We are Not supporting "China 1989", but we ALL support "China 2008".



David H
said

A ranting slave owning Dalai Lama?? Oh my - what other tidbits from the secret life of the Dalai Lama will we be enlightened with by Beijing? It would seem the ambasador has been handed an old radio script from the days of the Cultural Revoloution - I wonder when he'll work "running dog lackeys of the Imperialist West" into the mix. The ambasador's masters need to give him some new lines to recite.


Roger T
said

Bruce
I'm afraid the Chinese ambassador will find very few people outside of Beijing who believe what he has been told to say....

I think educated in general will have the smarts in them to think before rushing into conclusions. You can't have riots if you don't have protesters to start with. Clearly, the monks had the intentions to riot by starting a protest. Any country with moral values and laws will act accordingly when protesters turn violent and citizens get hurt. What kinds of monks are these, obviously not peaceful ones. If the Dalai believes in peace his followers will do the same instead of acting uncivilze and starting riots. I'm not saying China acted in the rightous way but what country with laws have the authorities stand around and watch citizens being killing without acting.

Look what happened to our Aboriginal people "George Dudley" he was killed by the police for no apprent reason when the protest was peaceful without any violence involved and why doesn't the media make a frenzy on this and scold our Gov't instead of focusing on violent rioters who are supposively monks.

We like to place blames but aren't adult enough to take the responsibility when things go wrong. Could it be jealousy because of China's economic success! It only shows desparations when we blame other nations for thier internal affairs that have nothing to do with us.


Free Tibet!!
said

You almost have to laugh at the Ambassador's comments...they are so outrageous! But then again we all do know what a freedom loving, peaceful country China is...ahem..Tiannamen Square.

I have to say how sad it is to see the couple comments on here from the Chinese people who have been brought up living in the Chinese propoganda and how twisted their perception is of the Dalai Lama/Tibet as a result.

We should absolutely boycott these Olympics and in fact should be limiting all trade with China until they start addressing human rights, not just in Tibet but in the whole country!!

I must say too that I find it odd that the mighty U.S. has all these embargos against communist Cuba but seem quite fine dealing with communist China. Hmmm...


Kevin C.
said

For an ambassador from a foreign country, China coming to Canada to compare the Tibet's government as "Nazi Germany" and the Dalai Lama as a "serial liar", are disgraced and outraged!

Obviously, the Chinese ambassador has been programmed by the Communist regime to say all these words.

The truth is, most Canadians can tell who is wrong here for an ambassador to say all these! He has an obligation to maintain good relationship between Canada and China. Instead, he is fueling the anger of Canadians supporting for Tibet.

BOYCOTT the Beijing Olympics in 2008!


lianwee
said

Surprisingly the result of "Tibet incidence" is not about Tibet. It has polarized the opinion of Chinese and Westerners. The Chinese (in China and overseas) generally believes that the West is trying to tarnish China's image. The West is trying to force its opinion on China and Chinese people.


Cape Breton Eagle
said

Poor Ambassador Lu! How embarassing! He can't seem to get his facts straight. Let me help. Communist China invades Tibet in 1959. Tibet was an independent and peaceful country and is now ruled by a Communist Chinese iron fisted government bent on exterminating the Tibetans. Tibetans want their country back and the Communist Chinese don't like it. Now, how difficult was this to understand?


Sam
said

Don't let The Dalai Lama fool you. He is a liar. Tibet is part of China. The Western people don't know the history of China, then should SHUT UP.


brian
said

Let's put away our daggers for China or our reverence for the Dalai Lama and try to find out what the truth is for a moment. In an article titled "Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth" by Michael Parenti, it notes that Tibet was " … a despotic retrograde theocracy of serfdom and poverty, so damaging to the human spirit, where vast wealth was accumulated by a favored few who lived high and mighty off the blood, sweat, and tears of the many."



Gordon
said

Do any of you have any slight idea what the old Tibet looked like before 1950?
Do any of you know slightly about Chinese and Tibetan history? When Tibet came part of China? If you don't, go back to school before you speak. I remembered my high school teacher told us that you don’t want to make fool of yourself to speak on the matters that you doesn’t know. This is matter of mutual respect.
I respect Dalai Lama and I'm amazed on how he's transformed himself from a Lama to a modern spiritual figure with a huge influence to Tibetans and the world.
I doubt he personally organized the world-wise demonstrations on March 10th followed by the riot. But they were clearly organized events. The problem was that when the riot started to broke out on March 14 in Lhasa, banks, schools and Han people owned stores were either smashed, or burned down. Some of burned properties with people inside! The victims burned to death not only have Hans, but also Tibetan shop clerks. Han people were beaten in the street; a woman's ear was cut off by a rioter. These were no longer peaceful demonstrations. There are the crimes committed to ordinary citizens. Any country has law and order, these kind of riot have to be stopped. People committed crime will have to face the justice.



Diana
said

The Chinese have been known to suppress any movement their government does not agree with history proves that. Tiannamen square is a prime example. A holy man like the Dalai Lama can't be suppressed so easily. Therefore they brand him as a liar. That's all they can do.


James
said

Wow, comments like that of the Chinese ambassador make me ashamed to have an ancestral history from China. Thankfully his kind do not speak for the many/most of the free-minded Chinese around the world. Perhaps this would be the time for the hundredds of millions of us Chinese outside of China to flex our own muscle and join our fellow Tibetans in solidarity against such a brutal regime that is China.


David
said

Dr. Michael Parenti in his article 'Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth' said:

'Until 1959, when the Dalai Lama last presided over Tibet, most of the arable land was still organized into manorial estates worked by serfs. These estates were owned by two social groups: the rich secular landlords and the rich theocratic lamas. Even a writer sympathetic to the old order allows that “a great deal of real estate belonged to the monasteries, and most of them amassed great riches.” Much of the wealth was accumulated “through active participation in trade, commerce, and money lending.” '

'The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation--including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation--were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. '

'


Andrew Robert
said

Today, whether or not China is still a Communist country is highly debatable. Mostly importantly, I
have seen with my own eyes that the average Chinese are living a much better life than they did 50 years
ago.In 1959, there were only 1 million people in
tibert, and now, there are over 2.5 million people in tibert ( over 87% are native tibetan). This is the
fact the human righs have been improved after 1959 in
Tibert compare with slave system which Dalai Lama
represents.



AndyToronto
said

Brook, come on, when Tibet was a nation or was a country? Tibet was already part of China in Yuan Dynasty and Qing Dynasty,so in recent hundreds years, Tibet has been always part of China.
how much do you
really know about the Dalai Lama other than his
displayed charm? It is worth checking out an article
by Micheal Backman on "Behind Dalai Lama's holy
cloak".


Bin
said

If China's defense from their current situation is accusing someone of lying, they just have come up with something more convincing than that. How can they expect anyone to believe anything they are saying about other people when they won't even practice human rights in their own country. People just have to boycott the Olympics in China. It hurts to see a symbol of the human spirit being held at a place where human rights isn't clearly understood.

John
said

Albert, your comments about China magically adopting a total set of human rights and freedoms is naive. You should not be making those statements when you don't understand the situation in China. The situation is that China is made up of many diverse ethnicities and very different regions; there are even cultural differences within the Han majority - thus Western-style democracy will not work in China. Also, China HAS incrementally improved its human rights standards - from allowing its own people to make money, own property, and slowly relaxing laws on journalism, religion and speech. That, IMO, is the way to go. You CANNOT quickly force Western style human rights and democracy on a country that has never had that before - Rome was not built in a day.


Ann
said

Re: Steve
"The mouthpiece for one of the most violent and brutal regimes on earth calling a Tibetan Buddhist monk a liar? Come on! And they have never lied."...

I'm sorry to say not all monks are true and honest as we like to think them. "True" monks don't promote their supporters to go around killing innocent people by setting everything on fire and say its a "peaceful" protest.


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