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Bill Doskoch, CTV.ca News
Date: Mon. Mar. 24 2008 8:35 PM ET
With housing prices collapsing in parts of the United States, many Canadians are wondering if the same fate awaits the real estate market here.
Housing experts themselves are divided on that question.
Ted Tsiakopoulos, Ontario regional economist for the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, laid out the optimistic case.
"We don't see a U.S.-style housing market meltdown in Canada for three very important reasons," he told Canada AM on Monday.
- Canadian housing prices have grown in a "steady, sustainable way"
- Mortgage arrears are at a low level, which suggests financial institutions have been prudent in their lending practices
- Canada's overall economic fundamentals remain healthy
In mid-March, however, the Royal Bank reported that home ownership costs have risen to the highest point since 1990.
That year marked the "peak of the housing bubble," it said.
However, the bank was optimistic the current situation should ease. "Going forward, falling mortgage rates, cooler forecast house price gains and decent income growth should all lead to improved affordability across most markets," it said.
Tsiakopoulos said the CMHC sees moderate price growth continuing. But Ontario MP Garth Turner has a different view.
The author of a new book, "The Greater Fool: The Troubled Future of Real Estate," Turner thinks the pieces are in place for a real estate collapse in this country.
The U.S. financial sector has been rocked by subprime mortgages, which essentially provided a way into real estate for people who wouldn't qualify for conventional mortgages. But Turner told CTV.ca the real story is that housing prices in the U.S. got more expensive than Americans could afford.
In Canada, real estate prices have essentially doubled in five years. Turner said he didn't think that was a "reasonable" increase.
Over that period, household incomes have stayed essentially flat, he added.
Mortgages in Canada?
"What's been the Canadian response? Well, guess what? We've brought in a new kind of mortgage -- 40-year amortizations," Turner said.
You can also get a home for virtually no money down, Turner said. "You tell me what the difference between subprimes and a 40-year, no-down-payment loans in Canada is. The net effect is exactly the same. People buy houses who otherwise couldn't buy them."
In the biggest markets, people are unquestionably house-poor, he said.
The RBC's affordability measure for a detached bungalow in Vancouver is about 74 per cent and more than 47 per cent in Toronto.
Places like Calgary and Edmonton come closer to the national average of 41 per cent.
The affordability measure is the proportion of median pre-tax household income required to service the cost of mortgage payments (principal and interest), property taxes and utilities.
The measure has traditionally been around 30 per cent, Turner said. "We've got a very screwed-up personal financial situation right now, and I see some dangers in that," he added.
RBC's Amy Goldbloom told CTV.ca that an RBC study finds that for 2007, the U.S. situation was worse than here. Mortgage debt there was 119 per cent of disposable income versus about 79 per cent in Canada. Total household debt was also much higher in the U.S. than Canada. "Americans are more indebted and more leveraged," she said.
Goldboom said the RBC's analysis and prediction of moderate price increases took into account a slowing U.S. economy's effect on Canada. "We aren't forecasting outright declines in prices as we're seeing state-side," she said.
But Turner rolled off some troubling statistics, such as sales activity of resale homes in Canada falling six per cent in February -- although some critics have argued that blip could be due to stormy winter weather.
In his own riding of Halton west of Toronto, houses are staying on the market for up to 12 months and are falling in price, he said.
"Why you would want to be a new purchaser of real estate right now is beyond me," he said, adding that many young people have only known real estate to go up in value.
If you still want to buy a home, Turner makes the following recommendations:
- Don't take out a 40-year mortgage
- Aim for a 20 per cent down payment
- Don't make monthly payments -- accelerate if possible
- Consider what future homeowners will want to purchase (i.e., don't buy a huge, energy-hogging suburban home)
But if you don't own real estate right now, consider remaining a renter for the short term.
"We're into the most incredible renter's market coming up. If you simply want to make money and secure your finances, you're going to rent, because renting is far, far less than the cost of owning right now," Turner said. "And it will remain that way for the next couple of years."
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.



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Neil
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Jamal
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The United States housing market is crumbling because of the interest only mortgages that unscrupulous lending institutions handed out to every tom,dick and harry who wanted a mansion he couldn't afford. The delusions of these homeowners are coming home to roost and the unethical criminals who gave handed out those illegal mortgages like lollipops are folding. Canadas economy and housing market is not built on these pie in the sky dreams but on real people with real incomes purchasing real homes and real mortgages.
The 40 year amortization mortgages are going to have some unforseen future consequences like housing shortages because these are consumers who could normally only afford to rent.
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Bryan James
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I've read Garth's book and if you'd like an easy read synopsis on the real estate market in Canada over the last couple of years (including the sale of his house which is documented in his book, but never identified as his) spend the 20 bucks.
It has lots of information on the coming doom to the real estate markets and lots of illegible charts from US examples.
Other than that, I think Canadian ivestors are in for a bit of a rough ride but nothing compared to what Mr Turner is predicting.
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I'm afraid the real estate bubble is about to burst and there are a lot of people out there that will be out in the cold. I don't believe it will be as bad as what's going on in the US, but it'll be bad nonetheless.
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Norm
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Canadian Developer
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To suggest that developers and real estate brokers are the sole beneficiaries of these increases is incorrect and baseless.
The fact of the matter is simple.
Most homeowners buy a house as an investment to top up their plans for retirment.
A house is no longer a home in the truest sense.
For those who are not old enough to have experienced similar cycles perhaps a little research will show the downturn of Canada's real estate markets in 1978, 1980 and 1991 - most of which were caused by speculative buyers who left developers holding the bag.
Neil
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I wouldn't bet the farm on that!!
Housing prices are lower in Toronto because wager are lower compared to BC or Alberta and with losses in manufacturing the net effect may even be worst here.
Albert
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Steve
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On the plus, housing is a great hedge against inflation...
Leaving Alberta
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David
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I sure wouldn't be going in to a house or condo with 5% down.
If the stock market can fall, the housing market can fall. Every property owner should have a plan for riding it out.
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Condo Man
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JP Levesqe
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Priced out
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Howard H
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Jessie D
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On an international scale by comparison housing in Vancouver is still a massive bargain, and considering it consistently voted the best city in the world to live I`d say there`s plenty of head room for even higher prices.
MarkMan
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I don't have the latest-and-greatest e-whizbangs. Neither do I feel I need them.
I just bought a new car. The old one was 13 years old. If I had taken better care of it, I would probably be still driving it. I would also be paying less for insurance.
As I see it, debt is a choice. One chooses to go into debt to purchase a car or a house. One can also choose to go into debt to purchase other things.
I have made the choice to purchase a house and car and I accept the responsibility of my payments.
I have also chosen NOT to enter into debt for things that I really don't need; like a 52" LCD HDTV. When the time comes that I decide to purchase, I'll pay in cash.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to talk to my mortgage company.
Dallas Kunkel
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I bought Nortel on Garth Turner's advice. I don't consider him a "Financial Expert".
When it comes to debt, it's always best to keep it within your means, regardless of what it is for.
Real estate is a good way to create wealth. It will continue to fluctuate in value as any investment will.
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Max
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The difference between a Subprime and a 40 year mortgage??? YOU don’t know???
I'm not certain, but mortgages in Canada seem to be different then the US versions.
Yes, we can get 100% financing, but the borrower must be qualified with a solid credit history and since this is a 'High Ratio' mortgage it MUST be insured by CHMC to protect the lender. Unlike the U.S. where bizarre mortgages were created by various financial institutions to allow borrowers with no credit at all to purchase homes with no down payment at all. At the peak of the housing mania in the U.S., subprime lenders were offering homeowners "dubious" instruments such as NINJA (No verification of INcome, Job status, or Assets) loans. Also, Americans can deduct the interest of their mortgage payments from their taxes, which encouraged some to take out higher then normal mortgages. These scenarios simply don’t exist here in Canada. Of course ‘nay-sayers’ will keep renting and wait to buy into real estate once the market turns around again and prices go further up, the clever ones will take the opportunity now and buy when the market is down….!!
Dennis
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Instead of fuel surcharges, I think British Columbia needs to consider a gradual "mortgage interest surcharge" to control the amount of money injected into real estate. If we go back to the interest rates of the 80's, this will greatly lower prices and any money from the surcharges can be applied to provincial debt.
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Jeanne "...... Toronto real estate is sound, and will NOT be going down in price at ALL - so don't worry if you own a property."
I wouldn't bet the farm on that!!
Housing prices are lower in Toronto because wages are lower compared to BC or Alberta and with losses in manufacturing the net effect may even be worst here.
Neil, Prices may be "lower" in Toronto than in the West, however, we have a very strong and sustainable market here, regardless of losses in manufacturing, which was going to happen anyways, irregardless of housing prices. And, I would bet the "farm" on that!!
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The US Subprime mortgage industry is based on financial institutions lending money to borrowers with poor credit history who otherwise wouldn't be able to qualify for a mortgage. The US subprime mortgages were/are of a variable nature. The borrowers simply could not afford payments as the interest rates increased yearly.
In Canada, you can obtain a 40 year amortization rate mortgage (with a conventional institutional lender) with a fixed rate. As max indicated since it is a high ratio mortgage, lenders will typically not approve borrowers with poor credit.
I live in Calgary, looking at an average sized condo, there are not many for under $245,000.00.
Using Turner's suggestion I'd need $49K to put down as a down payment. I am a single professional, out of university a few years, I have nowhere near $49K saved in the bank. 5% or 10% down at a 35 year amortization rate is the only realistic option if I want to own in this city.
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Mita iz Coke
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The second reason for real estate decline is affordability.
Mr. Turner is right.
I think his prediction will become reality in next few moths.