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Date: Tue. Mar. 18 2008 11:29 PM ET

Tibetan rioters spilled into the neighbouring Chinese province of Gansu Tuesday and tried to storm a government office, despite efforts by the military to quell protests against Chinese rule.

Roughly 100 armed troops holed up inside the building repelled the protesters with tear gas, as CTV cameras filmed the confrontation.

One protester, bleeding profusely from the head, said he had been beaten by the soldiers.

The crowd then moved to a school in the remote town, located close to the Tibetan border, where they pulled down the Chinese flag and replaced it was the former national flag of Tibet.

On the same day, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner was considering a proposal by the head of the European Parliament and media watchdog Reporters Without Borders, who have suggested boycotting the opening ceremonies of the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Kouchner said the idea should be discussed later this month when EU foreign ministers meet.

However, he insisted that France has no plans to skip the Games and he added that a full boycott would not be "just."

Meanwhile, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said Tuesday that recent violent demonstrations by Tibetans were well-planned.

"There is ample fact -- and we also have plenty of evidence - proving that this incident was organized, premeditated, masterminded and incited by the Dalai clique," Wen said.

"This has all the more revealed that the consistent claims made by the Dalai clique that they pursue not independence but peaceful dialogue are nothing but lies."

Wen made the comments to reporters at his annual news conference at the end of China's national legislative session.

"By staging that incident they want to undermine the Beijing Olympics Games, and they also try to serve their hidden agenda by inciting such incidents," he said.

The Dalai Lama has maintained that he is not behind the violence, said Chao, reporting from the China-Tibet border.

"For the most part the Dalai Lama has urged both sides to show restraint," said Chao.

"He has always advocated peace rather than violence. So, in this case, he says if it is proven at all that he is involved he will step down."

On Tuesday, the Dalai Lama warned that he would leave his post as leader of Tibet's government-in-exile if Tibetan protesters in China continued to act out violently.

Later, a top aide said the Dalai Lama "would have to resign because he is completely committed to non-violence.''

However, the aide said he would resign only as the political leader and head of state -- not as the Dalai Lama.

Tibetans began protesting early last week, timed for the anniversary of a 1959 uprising against the Chinese government. China took control of a then-independent Tibet in 1950.

Tibet's governor has said that 16 people have died in the protests. However, Tibet's government in exile, based in India, said that the number of people killed is closer to 80, which the governor has denied.

China restricts the access of foreign journalists to Tibet, so independent verification is very difficult.

There are reports that some local governments in western China are also banning foreign reporters.

China has already ordered all tourists out of Tibet's capital, Lhasa. Canada has warned travellers to stay out of the region, unless it is absolutely necessary.

With files from CTV's Steve Chao and The Associated Press

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James
said

Wen Jiabao, leader of China, stated that the Dalai Lama was responsible for the violence in Tibet. In fact, there are some reports that Chinese officials would like to put the Dalai Lama on trial for his alledged actions. When you look at this reasonably, isn't it the same as the schoolyard bully blaming the victim. Wen Jiabao, the bully, blaming the Dalai Lama because Wen Jiabao put a beating on the Dalai Lama. How pathetic are the Chinese authorities. Maybe they should host a conference of human rights instead of the Olympics.


Roger T
said

If the Dalai is behind the violence then he should resign, no need to threaten anyone. Monks don't resort to violence, terrorists and separatists do. His followers did what they were told.


JPC
said

Free Tibet from the tyranny of the Chinese...boycott the games and boycott their goods...let's help this man out...


victor
said

I think Dalai should resign as he has done nothing but hide away while others have taken it on the chin.

Nothing will ever change with this guy as the figure head and this revolt and others like this have done more to change history than some leader sitting in comfort.


A Montrealer
said

Everyone knows that the Chinese government is corrupt and exerts its authoritarian behaviour against anyone who stands up for what they believe. Going after an individual who stands for peace and non-violence is an aberration to the rights of those fighting for it. The Chinese government is afraid of what the Dalai Lama represents and stands for. His prescence just brings to the forefront how corrupt those who are opposing him are. How pathetic! They violate the Tibetan's human rights and expect the Tibetans are going to like it too! Something is wrong in the world when people in positions of power abuse those who want democracy.


Gis
said

Play into the hands of the Chinese. If he resigns, they would be very happy. Giving into thugs


Roger T
said

If the Dalai followers go in disguise on the streets, than they are involved in separatist and terrorist activities. Monks behave peacefully but it doesn't seem his followers are in a peaceful mood. China would NOT have engage in this sistuation for no cause since they are hosting the Olympics. Clearly, Tibetans wanted to make a statement with violence.


Allan Eizinas
said

He says that he has no part in the upheaval.

He says that if it keeps up then he will resign.

If he has no part in it then why would his resignation have any effect?



John
said

This is a perfectly and well organized riot aiming to tarnish Beijing's Olympic game. Those violent monks killed many innocent people should not be tolerated. Chinese people will be firmly behind its government for national unity.


Josh
said

I find people here have different standards for violence. It can be called uprising, protests or terror.


Andy
said

China's human rights record at home and abroad (by not caring what they put in comsumer goods) are horrific. All nations involved should boycott the Olympics. It would be a huge slap in their faces


Robinhood
said

Based on a "few" idio_tic comments made here it seems that the Chinese dictator may well be appealing to some naive, authoritarian moro_ns outside of China as well! I then stand corrected in having assumed the ridiculous accusations against the Dalai Lama was intended solely for many of the the "misinformed" people of China only!? Amazing I actually have to state this!



Robinhood
said

The Dalai Lama is probably the greatest promoter of peace of any individual today and was the Winner of the 1989 Nobel Prize in Peace. Its an absolute outrage that China can even suggest that the Dalai Lama could be behind the violence in Tibet and not have other governments rebuke such a contemptious statement by a dictator. In the case of China and their illegal occupation of Tibet once again the international community reveals it's complete hypocrisy as they have done in Darfur or Rwanda. The Chinese leader's accusation has to be really mean't for the people in China who, as this demonstrates, are grossly misinformed and kept in the dark. I'm certain he cannot truely believe people outside of China are that naive. As the Dalai Lama has accurately stated, China is still committing a cultural, as well as a literal, genocide of Tibet's people. If the majority of the Free World stood up to China I have no doubt cracks would eventually begin to form in that country's power base. I need to add here... although I personally do not like the governance of the Federal Conservatives in Canada, Harpers's willingness to meet with the Dalai Lama at his last visit to Canada - something that the Liberals never did while in power to their discredit - earned him and his party respectability with that one act alone. In appreciation for the Dalai Lama - an individual that this sorry World badly needs more of - I for one will NOT be watching the Olympics and I do hope that the demonstrations in Tibet continue or revive themselves as to mark those summer games which are little else than a defunct, steroid driven political vanity fair anyway.



Remmington
said

Roger T - what are you talking about? you are talking about an occupied country. Tibet is a sovereign state that china has no business in. China has killed tens of thousands of Tibetans and destroyed over 2500 monasteries in the name of 'cultural revolution'. Not only that but since the mid seventies China has had a 're-settling' program to dilute the Tibetan population. This is long overdue. I could not stand idly by while my country was oppressed and occupied. They have tried many avenues to get china out. The international community has never had the stomach for anything but symbolic gestures such as meeting the Dalai against China's urging. The Dalai has proven time after time to be an advocate of peace and a symbol of struggle against tyranny.


David
said

I am disgusted to see the ignorance on this page from people who really do not understand what the Dali Lama stands for and how misunderstood the Tibetan people are.
Shame on China and shame on you people for thinking the Dalai Lama could be behind any of this.


Roger T
said

Remmington
Roger T - what are you talking about? you are talking about an occupied country. Tibet is a sovereign state that China has no business in.

It's no different than our country that belongs to the Aboriginals who are the true people of this country. Our Gov't stole and killed thousand and forced them off thier land. Our Gov't occupied their land. Tibet as always part of China before Canada even existed. So why are you so angered by that and not how the Aboriginals are treated here. Monks behave peacefully not go around starting riots and killing innocent people off the street.


Roger T
said

Remmington
Roger T - what are you talking about? you are talking about an occupied country. Tibet is a sovereign state that....

So is QUEBEC. They've been asking for it for years and???? You know the rest.

Besides this is NATIVE LAND. And look how our Gov't is treating the Aboriginal people when this is CLEARLY thier land.


Phoenix
said

Allan Eizinas

EXCELLENT POINT!!!


Diunei
said

Tibet has been a part of China for over a thousand years. And even during the time Tibet was supposedly independent (an illegitimate act by the British empire, by the way,) neither the Concert of Europe nor the League of Nations, in fact NOBODY recognised Tibet as a sovereign state. There was NEVER a Chinese government in Beijing that recognised Tibet as independent either. Not the Qing Dynasty, NOT Sun Yat-sen's Kuomindang (KMT), NOT Chiang Kai-shek and NOT Mao Zedong's Communists. Furthermore, at the Potsdam and Cairo conferences during WWII, the Allies reaffirmed and recognised ALL of China's territorial claims, including Tibet and Taiwan.

In short, all you westerners (white supremists?) who hate China have zero logic to your arguments and are merely repeating CIA propaganda.


Robinhood
said

I guess the Chinese dictators have their agents trolling the Web right now based on the laughable anti-Dalai Lama comments I'm seeing here! Nice try but you've already lost the moral argument back in 1959 and we're not "all" morally bankrupt.. go back to your Security Council... you'll have more luck there! :-D



DW
said

Roger T, victor
I would say it is not the fault of the Dalai Lama, if you had any knowledge of this man and his beliefs you would know he would never ask his people to commit these actions, nor would he condone them. This is all propaganda of the Chinese Government. So lets get our facts straight before we say anything.



Wen will we learn?
said

China is waging a genocidal war upon the people of Tibet. That some Tibetans have begun to resist with violence against the war-maker is no surprise.

The Dalai has devoted his life to spirituality and non-violent social improvement. Indeed, he is the embodiment of this creed.

As the Leader-in-Exile, it is proper for him to admonish his Tibetan people against further violence and, if they cannot restrain this behaviour, he must naturally resign as political "head of state".

The Chinese Government has no shame and its purpose is nothing less than the utter destruction of the Dalai and all that he - and Tibet - stands for.

It is a shame that the Beijing Olympics should proceed in the face of China's ongoing campaign of human rights violations in Tibet and around the globe.


RoadyW
said

There is no point to be a leader when his words are carrying no weight.


Brent F
said

Wow... I'm surprised that so many people really don't know anything about the Dalai Lama.

He is a man of peace. He would resign not because he's afraid of the blame, but because he doesn't support the violent protests at all. He never has and never will.

Tibetan society is more complex than most people know, and there are various factions within Tibet with completely different views on the occupation by China.

The militant components of Tibet are the ones you see violently protesting, and they have nothing to do with the Dalai Lama. They don't understand the guy, just like all the western idiots that think they can champion the rights of Tibetans by just jumping in to the conflict without knowing who they are really supporting.

No cause is worth even the tiniest bit of resentment toward another human. This is the real buddhist understanding that the Dalai Lama represents.

Anyone who cannot understand that, should not be involved in the issue at all.

May all beings be happy


Anne M
said

How else are the people of Tibet going to make changes? They cannot negotiate with the Chinese dictators, nor can they voice their opinions. These are a sad people being RULED by a brutal regieme.


Native person
said

Okay, so all of us Canadians know the story about natives and how the British and other europeans came to North America and took their land.

Now, understand this. There never was a document or deed we had that proved we occupied this continent but regardless, we called it our home. Tibet is the same. They may not possess the legal documents but it was their home. I repeat. The Tibetans lived there. Now, you got China invading in something like 1951 or 1959 and taking over. That isn't a nice feeling. How would any of you like it if someone came to your home where you lived a normal-day-to-day life with your family and some foreigners come crashing through your door, pilmaging through your belongings and kicking you out? THAT's what's going on in Tibet. Except they've been fighting for 49 years to get back into their homes that is rightfully theirs.

-Perspective of a native canadian


Nelson
said

Robinhood:
"I guess the Chinese dictators have their agents trolling the Web right now based on the laughable anti-Dalai Lama comments I'm seeing here!"

You automatically label anyone who are anti-Dalai Lama Chinese dictator's agent. This just shows how much you are brainwashed by the western media.


James
said

Diunei; Once again, I state that this is a human rights issue. Whether it is the Tibetans, native Canadians or any other cultural group, the main issue remains, a repressive government. The so-called "Communist" government of China is actually a totalitarian state that demands complete subservience of the population to the state. Step out of line as the students did in Tiananmen Square and the state brutally destroyed the protest. Like the "Great Leap Forward" where an estimated 20 to 40 millions Chinese citizens lost their lives to inept government policies or the "Cultural Revolution" where another half a million citizens lost their lives, the history of China under "communism" is regressive at best and barbaric at worst. The same mind set continues today in Tibet. Instead of trying to build dialogue with the native population, the state will not tolerate dissent or criticism. The media is censored and the world is told to butt out, human rights in China are a private matter. Human rights are not the sole domain of one government, but the right of every single person, including you Diune!! Stop supporting despots!!


Gonzo
said

The Olympics should have never been given to totalitarian China in the first place.Bravo to the disidents in Tibet. It takes a brave man to stand up to a regime that has no quams about slaughtering its own people,like at Tianamen Square.


Mark in Edmonton
said

Economics always trumps human rights this day in age. I don't think the world community wants to hinder their economic relations with China, especially with the economic slowdown afflicting the US and Western Europe.


Steve
said

BOYCOTT THE GAMES!!! China doesn't deserve them!!!


BD
said

I think if we stepped back and took a good hard look at this situation, we would see something no one likes. We are all at fault for the way China treats their people. We buy every product they can possibly copy, funding there very existence. It is clear our politicians are going to do nothing about the travesties happening in Asia, but we as consumers can send a bigger more effecting message by not buying their product.
As for the person who asked how we would feel if someone where come into our homes and try to take everything, beleive me I know, I live near Caladonia, ON.



HB
said

China should never have been given the privilege of hosting the Olympics. If I was an athlete I'd never participate in these games. If the world turns a blind eye to China's human and animal abuses, they will have no reason to change.
I am boycotting the Olympics and I applaud Europe for thinking about doing the right thing and boycotting the games, even if only partially. If only the Canadian government had the guts to take a stand against China's abuses.
The fact that people on this board are asking for the resignation of the Dalai Lama instead of demanding action against China is deeply disturbing.


scott from Halifax
said

First, it makes no sense that a dictatorship should be allowed to host an Olympics; not for the safety of athletes nor officials. There is just too much that could go wrong without access to proper channels and freedoms!

Second, Tibet is an occupied country independent of China. There are claims that they have been part of various dynasties and other countries but those have since fallen and PEOPLE of Tibet still remains. The people themselves have never threatened China in any way that would predicate China needing to take control of Tibet in order to affirm security to the people (both Chinese and Tibetan).

Third, China has no plan in giving Tibet their freedom or independence. Their view is that it is theirs and theirs alone to do with what they may feel. Considering they don’t want reporters there this should scare the living sh** out of people. Would you send your children there? You will be when the Olympics happen…same people!



Nat
said

I've been saying this again and again over the years. As outsiders, we have no right whatsoever to say that they have violated Human Rights, as each and every nation, state and culture has a different idea and definition of what Human Rights are.

James: Wen Jiabao is (1) not the leader of China, he is the premier (Prime Minister) of People's Republic of China and is subordinate to the President of the PRC, Hu Jintao.

Gis: If you plan on calling the Chinese Government thugs, then you might as well call the British Government (past and present) thugs, or the French Government thugs, or the American Government thugs, or the Japanese Government thugs, or every government on this planet and throughout history, thugs.

Robinhood: The People's Republic of China is not a dictatorship, but a one party state with both very local democratic processes, as well as the largest legislature in the world. The National People's Congress is no longer a rubberstamp legislature for the communist party and has independent, non-communist party members.


Think with your toes!!!
said

Tibet has been part of China since 13th century during Yuan Dynasty, two centuries prior to any European feet landed on American continent.

Dalai Lama even acknowledged that Tibet was part of China during an interview years ago.

If you believe that Chinese invaded and occupied Tibet, I have no less reasons to believe that Europeans (Spanish & Portuguese in 14th & 15th century, followed by English and French in 16th, 17th and 18th centuries) invaded and occupied the whole world-America, Africa & Asia.

If you believe "Free Tibet", I have no less reasons to believe "Free Quebec".

If you think Chinese should leave Tibet and return Tibet to Tibetans, I have no less reasons to think that Canadians and Americans should leave north America and return the lands back to aboriginals.

Bruce
said

Even though Tibet and Taiwan have ancestral ties to China, I don't think either of them would mind being a part of China IF! China acted morally, respected human rights, recognize the peoples say in the running of THEIR country (aka democracy). Instead of a powerful minority running everything in the persuit of more power. China itself needs a revolution to straighten itself out.


Remmington
said

Sorry Roger was a little too busy to get back to you. While I agree that this country of ours was originally occupied by aboriginals before European settlers/conquerors came here and took over. I have to say that there is little that i can do about that. The treatment that these people currently receive at the hands of the Canadian government far exceeds the treatment of the Tibetans. Not to say it is perfect but it is a far cry from the oppression currently being scene in Tibet. Tibet was also conquered by the Mongols in 1247 should they have a right to Tibet too? The point is they are being oppressed and killed today. The Dalai is a well documented man of peace and tolerance.


Rick
said

I'd like to know how many of these people who have posted comments have ever been to China, or Tibet? Clearly most of them have not, as the Anti-China "spouters" don't have a clue what they are talking about. I travel all through China and Tibet, and what I see in Tibet amazing. China is doing wonderful things there. China has, and is investing hundreds of billions of dollars. Everywhere you go you travel on brand new highways, lined by brand new hydro towers, and communication towers, dams, schools, businesses, and a brand new multi-billion dollar Railroad. The people are healthy, happy, and properous. The monks are free to practice their religion all they want, no one is stopping them, they pray all day while others work to build a Country. The Monks do no real work and rely on others for handouts for support, and food. If it wasn't for China, Tibet would be in a much poorer state. Also, for all of you who are spouting "China is a Dictatorship, etc." you don't seem aware that the Daili Lama was infact a King, not only a King but a King who was raised to believe that he was God. I can't imagine a worse combination, and in many cultures if someone was to raise a child teaching them that they were God, they would be charged with child abuse. While the Daili Lama was in power in Tibet in the 40's, it is common knowledge that he had slaves, had people in prisions, and had people executed. But I guess you all can overlook that while you are jumping on your "do-gooder" anti-China Bandwagon.


James Kenworthy
said

It is the height of hypocracy that China tells the world that Tibet is an internal matter and that foreign governments should "mind their own business", while at the same time claiming that Puerto Rico is a "colony of the U.S.A.", that Quebec is an example of English Canadian "colonialism", or that Northern Ireland is another example of "British Imeprialism", and that the Chinese government "supports all colonies in their wars of national liberation". People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.


kenteio
said

Let see if France is boycotting the game. Talk is cheap, action speak for itself. France can talk, but can't walk the walk.


John from Toronto
said

I totally agree with Rick.

We should visit China before making comments.

I'd been China last month, the people in Tibet are happy, prosperous there.

We are influenced by the media so much!!!


Echo of BIG brother
said

Applause to Rick!!

I always admire the truth, the truth that you really see and find out by yourself, not from second-handed twisted or biased reports.

Who said that Tibetans are living miserably, or worse than those aboriginals in Canada? Actually I watched a documentary show which proved the opposite!!

Let's be honest here. This is all about politics!! China is becoming powerful and some guys who used to be BIG GUYS don't want to see it and can't stand it.

james c
said

I'm in china, and the information crackdown is on in this country. the heavy hand of the chinese internet and tv censors is hard at work and its almost impossible for me to get information on the situation in tibet now. at least i can still get access to ctv... for now.


Forgetful France
said

France is lucky!

Four months ago, when riots took place in Paris, France was not holding any Olympic events.

Good for France, and good for Europe!

dk
said

If the dumb Europeans would not have voted to give Beijing the Olympics, Toronto would be the host city. There are about 350,000 North Americans and about 350,000 Europeans (give or take). Now the Europeans get 2 votes for each country. They wanted Beijing to win as the host city to fuel their own business interests. To bring the Olympics to a communist dictatorship country with so much smog is a mistake. The athletes are going to have health issues years afterward.
Don't worry, China will never become a global power. At some point, communism doesn't work (read your history books).


Paul Malouf
said

The interview of Lu Shumin, China's ambassador to Canada, on CTV Newsnet reveals the full extent that China's leadership is devoid of reality.

Wen Jiabao, the Chinese Premier claim that ample evidence existed to prove that the unrest had been “organised, premeditated, masterminded and incited by the Dalai clique”, is baseless ... Show us the evidence???

A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman even said that the Dalai Lama should stand trial.

The Dalai Lama should call their bluff & travel to China!

Free Tibet! Boycott 2008 China Olympics!!!


Patrick
said

The Dalai Lama has nothing to do with the violence. To even consider what the Chinese Government as truth is asinine. There is no truth to it whatsoever.
Read his books, listen to his teachings and you will know he is who he says he is.

Mo
said

Some of you people need to take your biases of China's human rights record and that fear-mongering of communism out of this discussion. Obviously you people would make use of these events to push your pro-Tibet/anti-China opinions. Now they definitely don't have the best human rights record, but in perspective what we have currently are people using violence as a manner of revolt/rebellion or whatever you want to call it. China's simply responded in a manner that any other country would have done had there been such violent protests. Can you imagine something like that happening here? My point is we shouldn't use this as justification for the anti-China sentiments.


James in Calgary
said

I'm shocked at China's continued bristling attitude towards the Dali Lama.
Stop for a second and listen to the messages these two sides are espousing.
China is acting, as usual, aggressively - in both speech and actions.
This is an observed fact - and there are many recorded cases of China brutally repressing it's own citizens, everyone recalls tiananmen square.
On the other hand, the Dali Lama is calling for non-violent dialogue, and autonomy, not independence, and offering to resign if the violence does not
stop. Seems pretty transparently opposed to it from where I view it...

You people posting in support of China: you are defending a Communist Totalitarian state, one guilty of innumerable human rights abuses, but I guess as
long as you are free to live your chosen lifestyle it won't matter to you. How sickeningly ironic.


Will
said

Tibet was part of China since as early as Yuan dynasty 1271AD, Ming dynasty and Qing Dynasty. The Republic of China (ROC) in Taiwan still officially claims Tibet and Outer Mongolia. If the Chinese should go out of Tibet where they lived about 1000 years, all white Canadian should go back to Europe; you have been only 400 years here. The Olympics is just a piece of s---t compare to Tibet to our Chinese people. You have a Caledonia land dispute with the 6 nations, and Canada is one of the only 4 countries that vote against UN's indigenous people's right policy last year. China is not one of the 4. Only in last year the government said apology to the Chinese Canadian who paid head tax in Canada. So Please read some Chinese and Canadian history before you post anything. The Dalai Lama is a political leader of the Tibet Government in Exile, not a religious leader.

tenzin
said

I can't believe there are people saying it's all nice and dandy in Tibet. if there are no problems in tibet, just open it up for media.

There's no point in arguing, just open it up and let everyone see it.

Sandra.
said

The Dalai Lama has spent his entire life preaching and modeling non-violence. It's simply nonsense to suggest that he's responsible for the violence that occurred. After fifty years of communist oppression, it is testament to the respect that Tibetans have for him, that they have generally been peaceful in the face of the brutality imposed upon them.

Furthermore, the PRC has not been able to demonstrate that their own agents provocateurs were not involved; best for all parties if an international inspection team is invited to visit, to determine what exactly happened and is happening.

Fate
said

The Revolution of tibet is just beginnging once the lama resign matters are only gonna get worse.This might also start up a rebellion if china can't keep it under control.

Chinese
said

I browse through all the anti-china comments, they all sound the same and blame China without any good reasons. I think it is time to study the history and find out the trueth yourself, don't trust CIA or China, find out yourself if you really want to have a fair discussion.


Tenzin
said

T
You think Tibetans were happy. Didn't you see the gun behind their back?
Think on your toes - go back to 600 BC and Tibet was independent since that time.

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