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Date: Wed. Mar. 5 2008 11:38 PM ET

Thirty-three pilots across Canada have reported being flashed in the eyes by a laser beam while flying, including at least five incidents near Toronto's Pearson International Airport.

Transport Canada is now investigating the incidents, which date back to 2005 and include at least 12 in Ontario.

"It is certainly a concern for us and we're watching it closely," spokesperson Kirsten Goodnough told CTV.ca, saying she has no explanation for the increasing frequency of incidents.

The pilots have complained about someone on the ground shining a laser at their planes, penetrating the cockpit window and flashing the pilots in the eye. The source of the light is unclear.

Goodnough said some of the incidents around Toronto could have involved the small laser pointers used in boardrooms, but the devices would have to be relatively close to the plane to have a serious effect.

She said the more powerful lasers that may be involved would be those used in surgery rooms or at laser light shows, but those are a lot bigger and require heavy machinery. The devices also require permits from Health Canada.

A laser flashing a pilot's eye can distract and even temporarily blind a pilot. In more serious cases, the laser can cause long-term damage to their retinas.

"We're concerned with any activity that distracts pilots and interferes with the safe operation of an aircraft," Goodnough said.

The greatest concern is for planes approaching a runway and preparing to touch down.

In British Columbia and the U.S., several pilots have been forced to retire because of permanent retinal damage from laser beams, according to the Toronto Star. But Goodnough could not confirm that report.

"We're not aware of any pilots who have suffered damage as a result of these activities," she said.

Finding the lasers

Transport Canada is responsible for ensuring the safe operation of aircrafts, but any criminal investigations are left up to local police forces.

Const. Adam Minnion of Ontario's Peel Regional Police, the force responsible for security around Pearson airport, said anyone who purposely shines a light into a pilot's eyes would face a charge of mischief as a minimum.

However, his force has not laid any charges in connection with any incidents near the Toronto airport.

"We don't have any calls about this, which makes it very difficult to act upon " Minnion told CTV.ca after contacting Peel's airport criminal investigation unit.

He said complaints could have been made in other jurisdictions. Toronto police, however, said they have not received any such reports. Other forces around Toronto did not return phone calls to CTV.ca.

The laser incidents are a cause for concern, Minnion said, but he wouldn't speculate on the nature of the incidents.

The FBI has prosecuted some U.S. residents for purposely shining lights into the eyes of pilots. The agency says there have been hundreds of laser incidents in the U.S. over the last 15 years.

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Ken
said

I think it's time for a "laser registry", which will solve this serious issue....


Ryan
said

Ha this is funny stuff. The stuff legends are made of...


Dylan
said

I would hope that if people were caught doing this they would be charged with attempted murder not just mischief. I dont think that there is anything funny about trying to make a plane crash


Fed Up
said

No, Ken, when you catch the slimey little bastards doing it, you hold them down, force open their eyes and BLIND them with their own lasers!

Attempted murder demands the proper penalty, but then this is Canada, home of the "Criminal Justice System", where only criminals get any justice!






Sam
said

Completely and utterly scary. Investigating this should also be done on a federal level.


Lorne
said

.... People who shine lasers into pilot's eyes are criminals and I am certain they will just step right up and register those lasers. What a great plan.


Ki-Som
said

There are three certain things, in this world, taxes, death and idiots.


M. Cameron
said

Ryan,

I doubt you would say that if someone, maybe you or someone close to you, were hurt as a result of what is going on here.



Howard the Canuck
said

Those stupid things are sold at dollar stores! My God! Ban them!


James - Calgary
said

I'd like to think the authorities would be doing their utmost to apprehend these clowns. Not only endangering the pilot, but passengers and those on the ground...as for Ryan, and his immature post - tell us what is so funny about this. Would you be thinking the same if your were a target while driving your car, which these clowns also target occasionally?


Ryan
said

It would have to be ground crews using the pointers. Your not going to be able to accomplish this from inside the terminal.


Marie
said

It's funny, they were talking about this today in Toronto on the radio. The sad thing is, they said that they had found a 16 year old kid doing it and they didn't even give him a ticket or anything. To me, if you find someone doing something that is dangerous you would think that they would at least be punished.


JP
said

Being an airline pilot myself I find this very disturbing but not surprising. Probably some dumb kids thinking it's funny however, being even temporarily blinded at such a critical phase of flight when only 1 minute to touchdown is a scary thing. Charging them with attempted murder is the least they can do.


DilBerT
said

When caught, I hope these individuals
are put under the same bright light during
interrogations.





Xavier
said

It's a little hard to believe that someone would have the accuracy to flash a boardroom laser pointer into the eyes of a pilot or that the laser would have enough strength to even reach the pilot's eyes.


Gerald Skowronski
said

I agree with Fed Up. It's time for some tough love.


Bent Wood
said

Someone on the ground? As a physicist I find it difficult to believe it could be done without quite sophisticated equipment.

This is either baloney or very serious but not just a casual act of mischief with a laser pointer.


Hu
said

Terrorism


Vanessa
said

Those laser pointers can go really far. I was at an NHL game in Calgary not too long ago and someone in the stadium was shining the light in the opposing goalie's eyes from really far away. The goalie complained to the referees and the pointer ended up getting escorted out by security. I know that isn't anywhere near as serious as this story, but it goes to show how disturbing that light can be. Too scary, it's people's lives you are fooling with.


Justin
said

Haha, I saw this on an episode of CSI. It actually brought down the plane on T.V. though...


Munro - Brampton
said

Yes lets use a little thinking here. The ones in the dollar store are very weak lasers. Also as a plane in coming in, someone on the ground would not be at the right angle to shine it into the cockpit window ! Something else is going on. As the article says stronger lasers. Not to mention, talk about hitting a bulls-eye !


Shan
said

Pilot error perhaps? I don't think that it is physically possible for a boardroom laser to have enough power to shine several kilometers and actually target a pilot. The beam would be dispersed by the atomosphere (and smog around Toronto) and the beam would also be conical which would reduce the intensity of the light exponentially with distance. The only believable source would be a laser light from an entertainment event. Perhaps the pilots were in error


Vincent C.
said

Have the investgation bodies involved questioned those pilots when this happens..does it happened at a particular time of the day or certain day/month?B'cos it might just be at month certain day...time-frame the reflection of the Sun at certain angle reflects off certain object/ buildings??


Michael
said

A bunch of kids pointed a laser at my condo in Toronto one time. They were about 300 feet away. I called the police. I turned my head 90° away from the light and purposely picked up the phone in full view by the window. The light switched off immediately and they ran for it. People who pull these stupid stunts should not be surprised if they dire retribution when they are caught.

People who think this cannot happen with aircraft fail to understand only some of the successful attempts are being reported. The failed attempts are never noticed!


Brooke Allen Vaughan
said

I find it hard to believe that someone can hit a 3 ft x 3 ft window of a object travelling at 300 to 400 miles a hour and hit a human eye with it. Especially when the window is on the top side of the plane and the "shooter" is on the ground. Give me a break


Michael
said

I was an expert trained rifle marksman. I can easily hit a plane's cockpit with a laser. There are lasers used in surveying that are small enough and powerful enough to travel the distance.

Someone can mount a rifle scope on a laser and then pre-calibrate the scope to be accurate to a certain range by simply seeing if the laser hits the crosshair target for that range. He will chose the range he expects the plane to be when he aims the laser. It's also easiest to hit and track a target when they are approaching head-on, as when a plane is approaching for landing. With my experience, I would have no problems hitting the cockpit. It's much easier than shooting a bullet because a laser continually paints the target while a bullet is a single instance with recoil. A cockpit is also a huge target compared to what I used to shoot at. I used to shoot up to 1000 meters.


Ian-Milton
said

I have flown on over 420 commercial flights since 1968 and if the statistics are true, then on at least 10 of those flights (2%) one or more of the cockpit crew were above the 'driving legal limit' for alcohol. These stats are especially true in the US but I dare say the stats are valid world-wide.

Thus, we probably must take that into account in these situations.

Don't for a moment think that all pilots are 'alcohol free' and/or not 'sleep deprived' when they enter the cockpit.


Simona
said

if it dates back to 2005 why are they just now starting to look into this and why are we not just hearing about it?


Simona
said

if it dates back to 2005 why are they just now starting to look into this and why are we not just hearing about it?


JR
said

It's UFO's. goodness me, everybody knows that!!


Concerned Pilot
said

To doubters of the fact that this could happen there are a number of things you have to remember. 1. Aircraft are not "kilometers" in the sky. On short final they are but 100-200 feet above ground. 2. It is very simple to aim a laser. All you have to do is place a finger between your eye and the target, point the laser at your finger, then move your finger. This method is used as a distress signal to aircraft literally thousands of feet up. 3. As stated, a second of distraction to a pilot can have disastrous effects. It's too bad passengers aren't allowed to see how intense it can truly be in the cockpit. 4. A laser can get into a cockpit from the ground. Think about it, when an aircraft is on final approach, the pilots can see the ground. Therefore, those on the ground can see in the cockpit. Fortunately, laser pointers bought at dollar stores must be within a few feet to cause any damage to the eye. But it still has the distracting effect.


Joe
said

Good Idea Ken, let's register lasers!? it worked so well for guns! While we are at it lets register lawnmowers! People get hurt with those also.


Aaron & Melanie
said

We were curious about this, so we decided to look this up on the net and see if we could figure out how to "make" a powerful laser ourselves, seeing as kids can figure out how to build bombs and guns and whatever they fancy. Well, it only took us about 2 minutes from a google search; we found instructions right on "You tube": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBFhmGvCQOo . It might not be exactly what is being used in these instances, but just imagine what kind of damage this could cause. And not really all that unbelievable, all you need is a borred "rambo" kid, too smart for his own good, who figures he could use the scope from his "paintball" gun along with a powerful laser, and time-to-kill... you do the math.


Phil
said

I wonder if there is any plans on the web to amplify these pointers?

That would explain on several questions here. As for the accuracy, wouldn't a telescope used in conjunction with the pointer attached to it answer that too?

Or worst, placing the laser pointer laser first into the eye piece of the telescope, pointing it to the target?

Never tried it, but logically you have to think to what these crimes are done. With only the available items to them.

The criminal minds out there are so predictable, I like the CSI shows.


Jack R.
said

Howard the Canuck
Those stupid things are sold at dollar stores! My God! Ban them!


Howard, these are dollar store lasers. Dollar store laser are red, and way under 5mw. The type of laser these people are using are green and can be found on sites like ebay, or inside of defunct DVD burners or PS3 systems. There's lots of instructions to do this kind of thing on sites like metacafe, youtube and instructables.
The people who are doing it, are the same type of vandals that mindlessly through objects off of bridges and think it's funny to light fires. I can't say it's the 12-20 year old crowd, but it's my best guess. We're raising a generation of kids who think being and doing criminal acts is a cool thing. Nice huh?


Scott
said

One word...

...aliens
:p


John in Winnipeg
said

I doubt that small laser pointers from a dollar store would have that impact. It is either blown way out of proportion or there is something much more dangerous at work here.


DilBerT
said

These individuals
are probable not using pen laser.
My guess is the lasers that come out of old CD ROM burners.
They are very powerful and can be run easily from 12 volts DC.
This should be investigated very seriously because I'm sure this WILL cause
blindness and or something very tragic.



DC
said

Some of the comments here indicate a lack of understanding of the geometry.

We're talking about aircraft on approach to land at altitudes as low as only a few hundred feet as they near the runway. Also, these airplanes might be traveling as slow as 120mph and direct, line-of-sight contact can be made from many places on the ground, including many high-rise buildings.

Unfortunately, the hazzard is real.

~YYZ-based A320 Captain


nessakym
said

Are you suggesting that pilots are lying? How would they benefit from that? Obviously this is a problem because if it wasn't, I'm sure they wouldn't be bringing it up as a concern. Yes, i agree that hitting a pilot in the eye with a laser beam would be difficult. However, think about today's technology, and don't tell me its not possible.


Al
said

As a military aviator, I have been the target of several laser incidents in Bosnia a few years ago(luckily I did not suffer any retinal damage). It really does not take much to momentarily blind a pilot especially during a critical phase of flight (i.e. takeoff or landing). These were mostly presentation type pointers, but the truly malicious range finding lasers were out there also (we were later issued polarized visors, offering some protection from these specific frequencies of light). In a theatre of operations (war) we prepare for such events, and under our rules of engagement at that time lasing was considered an act of aggression. I find it disturbing that my civilian counterparts seem to take it so lightly.


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