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Date: Thu. Feb. 28 2008 10:46 PM ET

The Liberals are calling on the Mounties to investigate allegations that the late Tory MP Chuck Cadman was offered a bribe by his party in an effort to influence his vote.

Liberal justice critic Dominic LeBlanc said Thursday the RCMP needs to look further into claims that Cadman was offered incentives to sway his vote on a budget vote in 2005.

The Canadian Press reported Thursday night that the RCMP has confirmed it is examining a claim by the Liberals about the incident.

The allegations come from a forthcoming biography of Chuck Cadman -- who succumbed to cancer in the summer of 2005.

In his forthcoming book -- "Like a Rock: The Chuck Cadman Story" -- Vancouver journalist Tom Zytaruk claims that Cadman was offered a bribe by Tory officials to vote against the Liberals.

Harper spoke to author

  • Hear the interview with Harper in the video clip on the right-hand side.

Zytaruk interviewed Harper in Surrey, B.C, in September 2005, shortly after the MP's death. Zytaruk asked if Harper knew anything about allegations that Tory officials had offered Cadman a $1 million insurance policy to help his wife.

"I don't know the details. I know there were discussions," Harper replied.

Harper also said the discussions included talk of money.

"The offer to Chuck was that it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election," he told the author.

Harper also said he did not believe that Cadman would be swayed to change his vote.

"I told them they were wasting their time. I said Chuck had made up his mind," he said.

Dona Cadman speaks

The allegations are quoted from Cadman's widow, Dona Cadman, who is now a Conservative candidate in her husband's former Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North. The independent MP's vote would have triggered an election.

In an interview with CTV British Columbia on Thursday, Dona Cadman backed up Zytaruk's account of their interview. She repeated what she told the author, telling CTV that two men visited her husband and offered him a $1 million life insurance policy "and a few other things."

Those, she said, included "being welcomed back into the Conservative Party." Asked if she considered the offer a bribe, Cadman said, "Yes, in a way."

She also noted that her late husband -- who was terminally ill at the time -- was extremely upset about the alleged bribe.

For his part, Zytaruk told Canada AM he didn't intend to accuse the Conservatives of misdeeds, but was simply reporting what he had been told through the course of numerous interviews with Dona Cadman.

"I'm saying this is what Dona has said has transpired. There was one person in the office besides Chuck. Dona wasn't in the office, but husbands and wives do talk and share intimate details of their day," he said.

Allegations dominate question period

The Cadman bribe allegations dominated question period Thursday. Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Liberal Leader Stephane Dion exchanged sharp barbs over the issue.

Harper strongly denied the claims saying, "There is absolutely no truth (to it)."

The Liberal Leader of the Opposition hammered Harper in front of a typically raucous House of Commons.

"He knew it was unethical, he knew it was illegal . . . why did the prime minister authorize this type of tactic?" Dion asked.

Harper responded that, "Chuck Cadman himself on national television . . . indicated that the story was not true."

He was referring to an interview Cadman had with Mike Duffy on CTV's Countdown in May 2005.

Cadman told Duffy that rumours he had been offered an unopposed nomination in his B.C. riding by Conservative officials, were true.

However, Cadman said he declined the offer.

"That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody," he added, rebuffing suggestions he made a deal to throw his support behind the Liberals.

"There were no offers on that table up to that point, on anything from anybody."

Ethics committee leader Paul Szabo confirmed to CTV.ca that the committee will discuss the allegations. The story was denied earlier Thursday by Sandra Buckler, director of communications for Harper.

"The then Leader of the Opposition at no time directed any party official to make any kind of financial arrangement with Chuck Cadman," she said in a statement, adding that Harper met with Cadman's widow on Sept. 9, 2005, and was asked by her about the accusation.

Later on the same day, Zytaruk contacted Harper and also asked about the story, Buckler said.

"The then Leader of the Opposition looked into the matter with party officials and could find no confirmation. And that is the last time he heard anything regarding this matter," she said.

Harper is quoted in the book as confirming to Zytaruk that a visit occurred and that the officials were legitimate representatives of the Conservative Party. But any offer to Cadman was only to defray losses he might incur in an election, the book cites Harper as saying.

Zytaruk said it was not his intention to pass judgment.

"I spoke with Stephen Harper and he had his say on the situation and I basically left it to the readers to decide," he said.

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reid
said

If I had terminal cancer,or any terminal disease, where would I find an insurance company that would cover me for any amount of money? Nowhere is the answer, because they would never do it. Sounds like a flimsy story at best to me.

Derek
said

This is interesting. John Baird is being investigated for allegedly helping Ottawa mayor Larry O'Brian bribe his opponent.

The Conservative Party is in court with Elections Canada for the "in and out" scheme. They also just settled over copyright infringement for using "for the love of money" in their latest ad.

Now this?

I thought the Conservatives ran on accountability in the last election... my bad.


Scott
said

This accusation is pretty disgusting. Stick to politics, and stop trying to drag our PM's name through the mud for personal gain.


DD
said

I wonder what are the chances that the "open and accountable" Conservatives will call an inquiry on this one.

Near zero, I imagine.


L.
said

Reid....Thinking the Government couldn't have arranged it it absurd. To me, it rings true. They knew full well they could deny everything after Mr. Cadman's passing. Typical government shadiness, imo.

Allan Eizinas
said

There is a reason why democratically elected governments do not generally last too long. The longer a party is in power the more “scandals” begin to surface and finally something becomes the “tipping point” that generates an election and the party is tossed.

Looks like the squeaky clean Harperites are starting to pick up more and more “rust” stains.

Hey Stevie, welcome to Ottawa!



Michael Chatel
said

I wish we had some more Chuck Cadmans working as MPs. An admired and honorable fellow.


Nikolas
said

Disgusting, underhanded and it shows just how desperate Conservatives were to force an election and get into power.

Have the leadership and insight Mr. Harper to take full responsibility as the head of your party, and not drop excuses, send out your ministers for explanations or hide behind your office. There is NO way you can spin this.


Vince M
said

This sounds very fishy.

Just how do you get $1 million of insurance with a terminal desease (that everyone knew about) that's going to take you in three months?

There is something very contrived about this story - maybe to sell books. The timing certainly is suspicious.


I'm pretty sure Conservatives and Liberals were offering Cadman inducements, maybe things like political posts, a seat in the senate, etc but I'm willing to bet they were not offering insurance policies.



kfwioujwrio
said

Like a Rock

"There were no offers on that table up to that point, on anything from anybody."




Don J
said

I'm really surprised at the comments here that, without any further insight, assume this book is falsely accusing the PM of wrongdoing.

Witnesses say Harper showed up himself on this man's driveway to offer a bribe. This isn't the first time this type of behaviour has surfaced - at least 4 other instances so far in the past 2 years...

But THIS is just disparaging the PM? How about how the Tories disparaged a dying man by trying to bribe him? How about that injustice?

And Scott - personal gain? How is a dead man's story alerting Canadians to the tactics of Harper personal gain?


Gareth Hitchings
said

It's utterly reprehensible, but its not an isolated case.

They're under investigation for trying to manipulate the Ottawa Mayor's election with another bribe and Elections Canada says they spent millions more than they're legally allowed to in the election.

For a party that rode to power on a ticket of cleaning up Ottawa, they're starting to smell rotten.

Corruption and Sleaze is as much as part of Conservative ideology as stamping on the poor! It's time we threw them back into the political wilderness where they belong.


Vince M.
said

From the story it appears that during an appearance on CTV's COUNTDOWN in May 2005, Cadman told Mike Duffy that rumours he had been offered an unopposed nomination in his B.C. riding by Conservative officials, were true.

"That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody,"
Canman said.

So if that was the only inducement he had, how come there is another more shocking one today, just as the book is about to hit the shelves?


EMG
said

If you think back to that period of time, the conservatives were being at their most divisive. Bringing down the liberal government at the time was a major priority and extreme measures such as bribing an MP would have meant little at the time. This is a totally believable story and consistent with their behaviour.


Dennis
said

And just which Party would benifit the most from this "scandal" being "exposed"?

The timing is much too convenient. I don't buy it.


raj
said

I have only one comment

I don't buy it


David in Que.
said

The point is not if an insurance company would ever give a policy the point being is if the offer was made it is a bribe and an attempt to influence a vote. It is very very wrong to even make an offer of this sort.


Closely Watching
said

Totally disgusting that anyone in Canada would bribe (allegedly) a politician or condone this action. Our democracy is not for sale.
The RCMP should investigate immediately.


Sask Man
said

If some party offical thought they had the authority to offer something to Mr Cadman so be it. In the end it is a non issue. There was no way any insurance company would ever insure a dying man.
If the story is made juicy enough and it sells a few books then it was a success for someone to have talked about it.

Mr Harper is the best leader this county has seen in my forty years. Left leaners need to start appreciating him for his brain power and his leadership abilities. What are your alternatives,
Mr D. or Mr L.


Spencer
said

It's all about book sales.

Create some mystery and intrigue where you have to get the details, but wait..... the book is not out yet. Your curiosity has been tweaked, and once that book comes out we can all buy it and read the details.... if there are any.
Without Chuck to confirm the details, it is second hand info before it gets to the writer, who then puts his spin on it.

By the time it gets printed it may be deserving a spot in the Fiction dept.


Jim
said

Serious allegations. The name of the individual offering the alleged bribe should be made public and the Conservative party should fire the individual. The conservative party should excise the corruption so it is not allowed to fester as in the current Liberal party (ie never naming which 12 Quebec Liberal candidates allegedly accepted cash payments from stolen sponsorship funds,ad nauseum).


Ken
said

I am currently jumping through hoops to get mortgage insurance because I checked off that I had tennis elbow and they clain Cadman was offered one million in insurance - and he had terminal cancer. I doubt it. Another example of someone putting something into a book that can't be confirmed for the express purpose of selling more books. Follow the money, who gains from the sale of the books? Who submitted the "information" regarding the supposed bribe? Case closed.


Chris
said

I love how everyone is assuming that the claim is true when not a single shred of evidence is provided except for what this author is saying. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


Devon K.
said

Sorry but I just don't believe this. It's not because I've been relatively happy with Harper its because once again we have someone from the left coast who hates the "right wing" so much they will say or do any thing to stir up a scandal.

Cadman isn't much of a saint in my books either. He crusaded for harsher sentences for men like the killers of his son and against corruption. Then he turned around, knowing how corrupt the Liberals were, and voted with them.

Sorry but I don't believe the story on the insurance period.


Greg from Kitchener
said

I remember that vote like it was Yesterday, Cadman was just out for his 15 minutes of fame, he became very arrogant towards the Conservatives, I don't trust what he says 100%
This stories timing can be put into questioning though.
This is not even news anyway.


Dwaine
said

Cadman himself said that he was not offered a bribe, except for an unopposed nomination. He had nothing to gain by lying about it. Trust what Cadman says before you get all excited about a new conspiracy theory.


Dale
said

I find this hard to believe. Sounds like this is propaganda to sell the book. If he was offered a bribe and was against it he would have contacted the RCMP and set up a sting operation.


Kai Wolf
said

A few things to consider -

1) Who offers a million dollar life insurance policy to a dying man?
2) The timing of the release of this book
3) The person in the middle of this is running as a candidate for the Party being accused

But most of all, what Party stands to benifit the most from the outing of this information at such a crucial juncture in the life of this minority Parliament? Oh yeah. How convenient.




JD in Alberta
said

So Cadman's widow, is saying that her husband was bribed. The allegation was never made by Cadman himself before he died.

Hmmmm.... To me it sounds like a sure fire way to make sure this book is a best seller....

49% made in China
said

The comments that insurance co. would never insure a dying man are laughable. It's a case of you scratch my back and I'll continue to scrtach yours. I am
surprised that there are still some who think there is a difference between government and business. They are pretty much one in the same for the last quarter century or so. If you think otherwise read "Silent Coup, Confronting the Big Business of Canada".


Sue
said

Less dramatic, but I have a feeling the "bribe" was along these lines:

"Chuck, join the party and vote with us. You'll get help with election expenses and other perks like group insurance. Well, it might be tough to get you the insurance with your illness, but we'll try like hell. In fact, some in the party have coverage of a million dollars"




Gilles Etcheverry
said

It is suspicious that those allegations come out when the book come out, another decent MP get pawned. Is there any ways to stop this bashing on each other strategy that do not work and confuse everyone.

Make all MP’s look bad and corrupted when they actually are decent citizen that have give up big pay in the private sector to devote their live trying to improve this planet of ours the best they can but who stomp and fall from time to time not being perfect like the all mighty.

If what this book say is true well isn’t it about forgiveness as it might happen to all party to do stupid thing from time to time and I repeat no one is perfect let alone a flock.

I like all parties, they are doing their best. Let them cooperate together that is what is all about, positive thinking, the glass is half full... Look at the world right now and continue to believe that naïve people are wrong.

Thank you CTV for allowing forums like this one so citizen can express themselves.

Gilles, Montreal



Ryan in Winnipeg
said

Anyone who says that this story is not a big deal is deranged. If this is true, it's very serious corruption.

But 'Chris' is right, innocent until proven guilty right? Hmm, maybe invoking that will make the government reconsider it's position about Omar Khadr, the Canadian citizen arrested as a minor whose been in jail for five years with no trial.


Mur
said

Give it a rest everyone. Is there one person out there who actually thinks politics is an ethical enterprize? In the entire history of mankind we have never known ethical leadership, in any Country or any race. The best any of us can hope for is a short leash.


Lee
said

Does any of this really matter? He said-she said. It keeps going around and around - with no one to ask the truth of. How convenient. Whichever party is in govt, does not matter, someone is always corrupt, over greed or notoriety, whatever...

Shamaro
said

... We must remember the terrible tragedy that struck the Cadman family and why Chuck Cadman got into politics in the first place. He voted in the house of commons for what he thought what was right and good and not based on any parties political agenda.


FreakAlert
said

My concern is the economy, and how it is going to seriously effect everyone of us, no matter what political view we hold.


Don S
said

I am not saying that this rumour is true, but the talk on parliament hill at the time about how Cadman would vote did focus on his life insurance and that should he have died in office, the payout to his beneficiaries would be substantially greater than if the government had fallen and he was no longer an MP. I am not saying that he didn't vote against the liberal government because of life insurance, all I am saying is this latest allegation may not be as ludicrous as some comments suggest.


Jonathan
said

This story is as full as many holes as the accusations claimed within. Obviously a desperate attempt by the opposition to stall a surge in conservative support. The Karlheinz Schreiber affair failed to make an impact with the public; this 'scandal' will also make *zero* impact.


Craig
said

So let's review the CONFIRMED facts.

1. Cadman doesn't say anything about this in 2005 when asked despite reports in this book that he was "disgusted" with the party. How likely is that?

2. The Tories are known as pretty business saavy. I'm pretty sure they know how insurance works and that this wouldn't go through.

3. The Tories already confirmed that they offered Cadman membership back into the caucus however, to offer a former Tory a membership is hardly scandal.

4. Apparently Dona Cadman made these appalling allegations then...decides to run for the party anyway. Right, and that is likely?

More mud slinging for the anti-Harper crowd. Hopefully the majority of Canadians see through this bull.


and what about Belinda?
said

Even if this is true, how is this any different than what the Liberals did with Belinda Stronach? She gave her vote to Martin for a cabinet seat (which meant more salary). The only difference between Cadman and Stronach is that she bit, he didn't (if it's true).


Barney Rubble
said

Why do the "Conservative' comments on here always want to dismiss everything immiediately. This also includes Mulroney - Schreiber incident, Ethics Commissioner etc.
If you are innocent and want to actually clean things up, wouldn't you welcome thorough inquiries and better rules to "clean things up".
My experience has been that the guilty work diligently to make things go away as quickly as possible and create rules that make them innocent.
As for the insurance question, I agree that no insurance company would offer a policy to a dying person. Hmmmm, so who might have offered it then? Hopefully it was not my part of my tax bill.


D.
said

Scott: Who is personally gaining from this story? CTV has a responsibility to its readers/viewers to report stories in circulation. If it's untrue, I'm sure CTV will report that in due time. However, a PMO that bribes MPs to me, is a political story that deserves attention.


Rick
said

I'll trust the word of Harper over the word of a journalist, especially one trying to sell a book, on just about anything.


Eric
said

Wow, I'm amazed how many people on here are so quick to assume truth in allegation.

Who knew it was so easy to destroy someone as to make any claim you want, and people will instantly believe you!

Does he have any evidence of these claims? I mean... at -all-? Or is it just his word? I'd need actual evidence before I start 'tsk'ing anyone.

Whatever happened to Innocent Until Proven Guilty?


DP
said

People who don't believe in a possibility to get insurance for terminally ill - you're so naive! An insurance company CAN insure ANYONE - if the management and or/board of directors approves that. It's very easy to find out the list of insurance execs affiliated with the Tories. I doubt that they would say no if asked for a little favor. A million dollar is not a significant amount for a big insurance company - and I'm sure they would've asked something in return. So it would've been YOU, average Joe, paying for that insurance ultimately.

Now try to say you don't buy something in this scenario.


Dy
said

To the people saying this is just Conservative party bashing, the originator of this accusation, Dona Cadman, is running as a Conservative in Surrey-North.


Gary Norris
said

Dona Cadman needs to publicly claim or renounce these comments as they have been attributed to her.

It doesn't sound true.

Why would she be a candidate for a Party and Prime Minister that would allegedly engage in attempted bribery?

Dona Cadman's integrity is on the line here, not the author of the book.


Richard - Vancouver
said

Canadians should be able to have some mechanisim to trigger an election without the need of a "no-confidence vote" by their representatives. Corruption from both parties are apparent and to simply deny the allegations should no longer be an enough reason to hold on to power. Let the voter decide.

I move that we have an election sooner than later.


B. Lang
said

If this is not true as the PMO claims than I would expect the Party to take the proper legal action.

Failure to do so tells me they are guilty!






Louise
said

Another question Kai Wolf forgot to ask: If the Conservatives did offer a bribe, why would Donna Cadman now be running for the Conservative Party? Would she not instead be running for any other party, but that one? I find it difficult to believe anyone would be a member of a party that was thought to have bribed, or tried to, her husband. Anyone care to explain?


Koby
said

"how is this any different than what the Liberals did with Belinda Stronach? She gave her vote to Martin for a cabinet seat"

Belinda's offer was legal. Chuck's offer was NOT legal, and the RCMP should investigate.

If you don't like the current laws, then let's change them.


JJgauvin
said

I suspect that if an insurance company was to willingly offer an insurance policy to someone with terminal cancer, there would be the expectation of a payback in some ways. The question becomes, if there was such policy, what exactly was offered by the Conservatives to the insurance underwriter for that favour?


DougD
said

+1 Craig

If this was true, Dona Cadman would be running for ANY party but the Conservatives.

Personal gain - yes. For Tom Zytaruk.


geep
said

phenomenal bs. i love how all the liberal supporters want to call an inquiry for everything under the sun. bankrupt us with public inquiries over non-issues. i've learned so much from karlheinz schreiber. i think we should put him up in a 1st class hotel for years with his papers and spend 10 million on a useless public inquiry. we can't allow the conservatives to send him to jail in germany - that would be a COVER-UP! several on here analyzed it well. this one isn't corruption, it's politics 101. dona cadman is running for the same "scandalous" party.


Corey
said

I have my doubts there is any truth to the million dollar offer. If there was, one would think there would be some proof on every newspaper backing up the claim by now. Especially in the Liberal newsletter in the Toronto area.
Giving the benefit of doubt that this did happen, Harper was still needed to get elected by all of Canada to become Prime Minister. I'm sure this allegation would have came out during the election campaign basically destroying his argument of an clean and honest government. Common sense says it didn't happen.


Andrew Saucier
said

I don't have enough evidence to know whether the story is true or not. I do have enough evidence (because I have been around long enough) to question the tactics and motives of the liberal media.


Trent
said

I am skeptical about the report due to the Conservatives apparant openness at the time of the bribe. I doubt Harper would be dumb enough to be involved directly in any attempt like this, there has to be a fall guy. But then again these things happen in parliment all the time. Look at when Stronach crossed from the Conservatives into a prominent position with the Liberals. Shouldn't this be considered a bribe? I mean an essential rookie being offered a plush post?


Kelvin
said

Politics is getting dirtier and dirtier, if that is possible. The stakes are high! I would say it is unethical even to offer Mr. Cadman support for some perceived financial need in the event he might lose his seat in an election (his illness notwithstanding!!!). Don't most MPs take personal financial risks when an election is callled?


Russ
said

To Richard in Vancouver, there is a mechanism to change governments. It's called a "General Election". It's that apparently foolish notion Canadians have regarding electing people to run our country for us. If we can bring down a government whenever a group of indivduals do not like what is happening, we would have multiple elections every year and nothing would ever get accomplished. As for all of the negative comments, let's not lose sight of the fact this is an author trying to sell a book. Mr Cadman was truly a man of integrity and would surely have made public any such overture.


NPS
said

I am non-partisan nor a member of any political party and don’t intend to be. However, had this allegation been directed towards the Paul Martin government instead of the CPC, I can hear the howls from that side (CPC) now, bringing up of course, and the AdScam issue. Such is politics and quite frankly, what does one expect.
Having said that, don’t forget these are allegations with a he said-she said ring to it from a lesser known journalist on an issue that happened a few years ago. Creditability is lacking in my view and this book will be in the “discount” section at Chapters within six months.



Scott
said

*Rick

"I'll trust the word of Harper over the word of a journalist"

Kudos to you!! I mean, it's not like Harper has a track record of lies! Firing Bill Casey after telling Canadians that no MP would be fired for voting against the budget? Well that was just a misunderstanding.
Saying during Paul Martin's tenure that a Conservative goverment would never tax income trusts? Just a miscommunication I guess.
Covering up prisoner abuse in the 'stan? Business as usual.
Saying that oil revenue would absolutely be removed from equalization payments and then sticking it to Sask and Nfld? Well, it just had to be done I guess.

With a track record like this, you're willing to take Harper's word for ANYTHING? WOW. Please excuse me for snickering under my breath at you right now.


NL_Expatriate
said

Trying to justify one wrong by proclaiming the merits of another wrong just confirms your guilt IMHO.


Duane
said

Dona Cadman needs to do some explaining here more than anyone else involved in this whole debacle. She is, after all, representing the same Conservative Party that is being alleged to have attempted to offer this insurance policy to her late husband. I'm sorry, but this is a case of 1+1 equalling "2" many questions and no clear answer.


Devon K.
said

Hard to believe people are actually commenting that there's merit to this. Just review the story:

1. Dona Cadman is running for the Tories.

2. She wasn't present at this meeting but we're told husbands and wives share this as the rationale.

3. Chuck Cadman never went forward with this when he was alive.

4. A book on Chuck Cadman wouldn't be selling all that much unless it had a good scandal or something that was juicy.

The only guy I'm questioning here is Zytaruk and his obvious motives. He says he isn't look to accuse the Tories of any thing or pass judgement. Come on! We weren't born yesterday.

None of this washes as believable and I doubt the RCMP or the Courts will do little save for rolling their eyes.

In fact, the only person here who is really in the line of fire is Dona Cadman who looks like a hypocrite for making unfounded accusations and then running for the party who she made the accusations against!

Oh what a farce!


Macek
said

The whole story about late Cadman unbelievably and is totally disgusting .
It is clear, that it is made for political purpose. I do not care for what purpose
it is done, or which political party suppose to benefit or not to benefit from that.
Misusing the name of this great man - Cadman, for whom we have great respect
cab be done only by morally corrupted people. When our Canadian journalist
and politicians return back into civilized manners and human respects, at least to have
respect for dead people and not to use them for their own gain? Yes, it is
disgusting behavior, which became a daily menu for our politicians and some trashy
book authors.
Cadman's Admirer



A skeptical Edward in Vancouver
said

There is a simple solution to this, let's ask Donna! Now I realise Donna is a Conservative, however she could probably provide some insight. But what stinks about this is the very fact that you cannot get life insurance when you are terminally ill. No OPPOSITION PARTY can pull the strings on a private insurance company. For some reason people always want to find dirt on the Conservatives. Hmm..I wonder how the author voted last election?


JJ
said

It is all about money; either a bribery or book sale. Mr Dion your chance comes unless it is a Liberal's plot.


Les
said

Typical socialist Liberal jargon. Democracy 101...It is wrong to pass judgement on something before we know it to be true. Remember ... innocent before proven guilty. A desperate accusation.


Tor Schmid
said

Mmmmhhh.
Liberal version of "Swiftboating". Engage your brains, folks! Offering an MP a million dollars to support a party in a vote in Canada is simply beyond belief. But then, some people will believe anything, including HRDC, Gun Registry, and Sponsorship. Ah yes, good old politics!


ray
said

i love how everyone is bringing the liberals into this. if u read the globe article.. this is between the author and statements taken by Mrs. Cadman and our current PM. Regardless if this is true or not, anyone trying to accuse the liberals of this are just cpc sympathizers who don't want to get to the bottom of the truth. i agree, we should hear from ms. cadman... especially since she's a party candidate.. odd enough. the pm should clear this up too...


Denise
said

"Dy: To the people saying this is just Conservative party bashing, the originator of this accusation, Dona Cadman, is running as a Conservative in Surrey-North."

Actually, Dy, the accusation was made by the journalist who wrote the book, and he CLAIMS that Dona Cadman said it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what her response is...


my take on this
said

It appears that it is okay for the Tories to smear Dion with attack ads but when the table is turned on Stephen Harper it's a different story. The attack ads are Tory lies. The Harper allegations ... time will tell.

I think this part of the above article is very interesting.

The story has been denied by Sandra Buckler, director of communications for Prime Minister Stephen Harper.


"The then Leader of the Opposition at no time directed any party official to make any kind of financial arrangement with Chuck Cadman," she said in a statement, adding that Harper met with Cadman's widow on Sept. 9, 2005, and was asked by her about the accusation.


Later on the same day, Zytaruk contacted Harper and also asked about the story, Buckler said.
"The then Leader of the Opposition looked into the matter with party officials and could find no confirmation. And that is the last time he heard anything regarding this matter," she said.

Harper is quoted in the book as confirming to Zytaruk that a visit occurred and that the officials were legitimate representatives of the Conservative Party. But any offer to Cadman was only to defray losses he might incur in an election, the book cites Harper as saying.

I'm not too sure about history, but I do know ... Stephen Harper will go down and he will be driving the bus.



Doug Rutherford
said

If this is true, then those involved should probably serve jail time. Further, those who had knowledge of it and weren't directly involved should also face sanction, either criminal and/or through the potential penalties that can be imposed by the House Ethics Committee.

However, we should determine if it is true. Given the serious nature of some of the allegations, some expediency in determining the facts should also be exercised. The Ethics Committe, which may or may not have decided to terminate the Mulroney-Schrieber topic, should decide immediately to launch an investigation. The RCMP should also be called in by the PMO immediately.


Buckwheat Bubba
said

My hats off to Chuck, an honest and standup fellow, even during the last stages of cancer!!!
We need more like him in Ottawa.

Interesting that he sat as an independent isn't !


Davey Legasse
said

This is obviously absolute nonsense. Cadman was dying. It was well known. I enjoy a cigar occassionally and life insurance premiums are double what the they are for a non-smoker. To suggest than ANY insurance company would write a $10 much less a $1 million life policy for someone when they have been diagnosed as having terminal cancer is just plain silly.

Rona from Canmore
said

Yes, since it was the Conservatives who offered the bribe, it MUST be a lie. Let's see: Rona Ambrose...never a peep out of her anymore; Linda Keen...of course she was in the wrong, another woman; Mark Warner, not good enough to be a candidate in Toronto Centre; Brent Barr the candidate in Guelph for not campaigning to build up the party and the list goes on....but it MUST be a lie!!


retep
said

Did you know that telling lies is as harmful as hurting them with some kind of weapon? Now our gov. wouldn't lie; would they? But man! My insides tells me they might just spin a little and that is what is happening here right now. The spinning that is being done here is somewhat shameful . . . wouldn't you say so


Paul in British Columbia
said

Chuck Cadman was an amazing member of Parliament who served his constituents very well. He was a bright light in Parliament. He is missed.

The conservatives should clear the air and call for an investigation into the allegations; after all it was they who won the last election on the accountability issue.


David Waye, Halifax, Nova Scotia
said

She said that he said and then someone else said that she said and that someone else printed what he said that she said. A lot of hear say which proves nothing of which anyone said.


FCS
said

What a perfect smear. The principle person involved isn't even alive anymore to refute or confirm it. Oh yeah bring in the RCMP, they will get to the bottom of it. Please excuse me until I stop laughing. While your at it give me the name of this incredibly stupid insurance company giving million dollar coverage to a teminally ill man. What a crock.


Pierre
said

Honestly, what purpose would it serve his widow to go out and tell that story? Harper lovers need to take a look in the mirror before accusing liberals of blindly supporting their leader.

I wouldn't put it past the Consevatives simply because they have so far taken every opportunity for political gains even when it meant they needed to do something wrong (see firing Linda Keen for doing her job)


Chris RR
said

This is a little bit rich coming from the Liberals. Does a high ranking cabinet post given to Belinda Stronach, who walked across the floor before that crucial vote, count as a similar type of bribe? The Lieberals record on this isn't exactly spotless.


FreakAlert
said

I highly doubt a dying man would fabricate such an allegation. There has to be some substance to this allegation.

I wonder if it's ever been suggested that politicians, no matter what party, be given polygraph tests for the truth.....or lie?


O
said

The irony here is that the late honourable Mr. Cadman was a one time PC. Harper flew a star candidate into Surrey North to oust Cadman and lock up the Indo-Candian vote (a tactic Harper slammed the Liberals for on numerous occasions). The plan backfired when Chuck ran as an independent and won by a landslide.

What Harper is forgetting is that Canadians didn't vote IN the Conservatives. They voted OUT the Liberals. This minority government needs to keep that in mind!


ILTIS
said

Luv watching the Reformists circling the wagons.
God be with us if these clowns get a majority.
Funny how Harper was so cocky in the house yesterday...but today not a peep.


Tom
said

There are lots of smear and speculation to the allegation. On the meantime the integrity of the peoples named are hurting. It includes the late Mr. Cadman. Isn't it more sensible to make judgement after the dust fall? At the end of the day, if all the allegations are found to be false. who can repair the damages to the innocence. And it also only makes those who jump to the conclusion look studpid.


Stephen Sockett
said

Just read what Mr. Cadman said himself. There is no truth to this and the people who continue to do pursue this are doing no favours to Mr. Cadman's memory. What are the next horrible depths these people will stoop to?

RRR Lethbridge
said

Nikolas:
How can you condemn anyone when you don't even know the facts? This is a third hand story at best, and who can gain from it? Dona Cadman and the Author. Anyone can see through this.


d in Victoria
said

After reading the comments to date I am surprised how quick those persons were to put the PM on trial (in their little minds), be the judge and find him guilty. All in a matter of hours. My my. And you thought the tories were self rightous. Best you look in the mirror.


jill
said

Denies - Harper is not alone.I just saw Chuck do the same, in an interiew with Mike Duffy.What sort of non issue is this.
Donna is now running as a PC.??????


jay
said

Dona Cadman, who is now running for the Conservatives in the Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North, was not in the office at the time. But she says her husband was furious when he returned to their apartment. "Chuck was really insulted," she said in a telephone interview with The Globe yesterday. "He was quite mad about it, thinking they could bribe him with that." He was man of great integrity, unlike our current PM and the conservative party. Just consider this this happened at a time when conservatives were calling liberals corrupt and demanding they step down because of the sponsorship affair, while they themselves were secretly out there buying votes. Also, what cost the liberals the election was the income trust story made up by the conservatives. It turns out that minister John Baird is now being investigated for his alleged involvment in the irregularities during mayoral race in Ottawa. At least the Liberal PM had the courage to launch a public inquiry that could have brought down his own government.


Pat Edgar
said

Why can the parties that
are in government, not put aside all the ridiculous accusations which to a lot of Canadians seem almost childish and work to better our country instead of trying to find dirt on everyone. I really do not care who is in office and would just like to see our politicians working for the betterment of the Country as a whole. They are embarrassing us !!



Robin the Hood
said

No, one should never jump to conclusions but if his wife says it then I can certainly believe it as there would be no motive on her part to lie. Very sleazy move by the Harperites but does not surprise me,.. the ultra right has always justified the means by their self serving goals.



John
said

Don't politicians have more to do than come up with more stupid junk. GET ON WITH RUNNING THE COUNTRY. Besides, all kind of junk seems to come up after a person has unfortunaley passed away and is not available to comment of defend any of this garbage. LETS GET A LIFE and MOVE ON.


Al in Cranbrook
said

This is absolutely inane in the extreme.

Who on God's green earth would provide a million dollar life insurance policy to anyone who is terminally ill???

But never mind how asinine all of this nonsense is, that won't stop the Libs and Dippers from playing it for everything they can squeeze out of it, eh?

What in hell is next!




Mike S.
said

Gotta love all the Harperites saying "I don't buy it". Moving forward with eyes closed is always dangerous. This is very plausable.


RsG
said

How does this sound to you horrified people...Hi, Mr. XYZ, how are things? Yeah, we know you have terminal cancer, however we would like you to come "on board"...BUT understand that you can't have any medical/dental, life insurance, RRSP contributions...etc. you know all those other programs offered to other members, cuz you are DYING...hmmm...watch how you READ the words spoken.

Yep, shoot first...ask questions later?

I don't "do" the political thing as vigorously as some of you but one can't help but notice that time and time again when this current gov't goes about trying to run this country, and not to shabbily(sp?)in my view, there are those who want to pick and poke and redirect energy and RESOURCES that we fund to chase monsters...real or imagined. Does the opposition want to be a part of fixing what is broke in our wonderful country or do they just want to stomp and shake the table until something falls and breaks...Wow! I know that inspires great trust. Meanwhile will somebody get me my wallet so I can pay for that?!


Mark
said

Let me get this straight. This allegedly happened several years ago but we're only hearing about it now-right about the time that the Liberals were threatening and election. The book is only just coming out.

Hmm...let me think, couldn't be that there is anything contrived about this could there?

There will be righteous indignation from the Liberals and NDP. They will demand that the PM resign/step down, open an artery...


IAM CANADIAN
said

I just can't believe all the comments from those of you who believe all this garbage from someone who is only trying to sell a book and smear our politicans. It's kind of ironic that it was only the Liberals who were loudly voicing their accusations when the other oposition parties didn't say a word. I wonder why?? Maybe they have a few more brain cells than the others. Why is it that those of you are so easly swayed by coments in a book are so quick to condem the "innocent until proven quilty" ones. Is it because you are quilty of doing the same thing and are quick to jump on someone who is innocent just to make yourself feel better.
I feel so sorry for the way some Canadians feel they have to run down anyone who seems to be doing the right thing. What is happening to our Canadian society??? What must other countries think of us??


Dave Ruud, London Ontario
said

Anyone know who this insurance company was? I'm forty, being treated for hypertension and can't find life insurance anywhere, so if Cadman can get it while terminally ill, I should get covered for at least $100,000,000!


Vincent
said

Why would Mrs Cadman lie Harper? She is RUNNING as a Conservative...

Why would she lie?

He has a BUNCH of questions to answer.


CM
said

Read the story and listen to the audio clips everyone. This all sounds suspect at best and I agree with another poster, the timing is just too convenient here.

A police investigation seems warranted now, but I'd be suprised if this was anything more than a party trying to entice a MP to vote with them.

It happens all the time and as much as we don't like it it's not illegal. Anyone remember Paul Martins enticement of Ms. Stronach over to the Liberals to save his skin on another occasion?

Now for that 1 million dollars, well now that just sounds like a lie flat out.


Vincent
said

Mrs Cadman has publicly stood by her comments. So the fact that the book came out is meaningless. If it would have been in the book and she wouldn't speak about it, that would be completely different.

She publicly alleges this herself, so SOMEONE is lying.

It's either her or Harper. And who has more to gain (or loose)? Her or the Conservative Party?



Timothy
said

Sounds like the bookseller is going to profit big from this one; There is no way to prove or disprove this allegation.

But it sounds like there is enough here, even from Cadman's own mouth, to cause us to pause and question the truthfulness of this allegation.


May
said

As strange as it seems, I think perhaps everyone may be telling the truth as they see it. The late Chuck Cadman said the Conservatives offered him a guaranteed riding and to cover his finances. He said this was the only offer and no others were on the table. Chuck Cadman told Duffy he was in fact very concerned about losing his life insurance in an election, life insurance he received as a sitting MP. Stephen Harper understood that two members of the Conservative party believed Cadman was worried about finances in the event of an election. He knew they went to Cadman and told him if you want to vote with the Conservative party but are concerned about financial issues; we are open to covering your finances and compensating you for any financial loss in the event of an election should you choose to vote with the Conservative party. Stephen Harper also told these two men he thought they were wasting their time because Chuck had already made up his mind. The Conservative party says today they did not offer Chuck a bribe or a million dollar insurance policy.

Suppose the Conservatives offered to compensate Chuck for his finances: which would include a lost insurance policy of unknown amount. I.E, if Chuck’s insurance policy was lost they would pay what the insurance policy should have paid. This is not an insurance policy in itself because real insurance is done through a company, but it is compensation for loss of an existing insurance policy.

Does this constitute a bribe? I can see this being argued both ways. On the one hand it is an offer of money, but on the other hand it is really only compensation to cover financial loss. It is not enticing him to vote so much as potentially removing a concern for him if that was the way he wanted to vote.

Note that I am leaving Donna Cadman out of the equation so far. That is because her statement is the strangest and most contradictory thing I have ever heard from a politician. She is the only one who says there was a million dollar insurance policy. With all due respect to Donna Cadman, she doesn’t seem to be that bright judging by the interview. I don’t believe she is lying but I think she may have gotten the wrong end of the stick. Perhaps Chuck Cadman’s insurance would have paid a million dollars out, and the Conservative party had offered to compensate that if the company did not pay. On the one hand, Donna Cadman said she understood why the Conservative party offered this and would have expected that from any party, on the other hand she said she was angry about it. On yet another hand she said she was less angry now... that she believes it was a bribe “in a way” and yet she can’t possibly be that angry or believe it was that much of a bribe and still be running for the Conservative party. The only conclusion I get from this is that Donna Cadman appears to be a very strange woman.

So the main question is: would this offer entice Cadman to vote a certain way, or just remove a financial obstacle if voting that way was truly his intention? It is certainly a fine line, but I personally lean towards the latter conclusion.



Bryan
said

You have Cadman in his own words to Duffy that nothing inappropriate took place! Cadman himself is deceased and "obviously" won't be changing his story. You have an author wanting to sell a book. This would take all of an afternoon for any police service to investigate and deem "unfounded"! Tired of the accusational crap in politics from every party. Let us just worry about the truly important issues in Canada!


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