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Date: Thu. Feb. 28 2008 10:46 PM ET
The Liberals are calling on the Mounties to investigate allegations that the late Tory MP Chuck Cadman was offered a bribe by his party in an effort to influence his vote.
Liberal justice critic Dominic LeBlanc said Thursday the RCMP needs to look further into claims that Cadman was offered incentives to sway his vote on a budget vote in 2005.
The Canadian Press reported Thursday night that the RCMP has confirmed it is examining a claim by the Liberals about the incident.
The allegations come from a forthcoming biography of Chuck Cadman -- who succumbed to cancer in the summer of 2005.
In his forthcoming book -- "Like a Rock: The Chuck Cadman Story" -- Vancouver journalist Tom Zytaruk claims that Cadman was offered a bribe by Tory officials to vote against the Liberals.
Harper spoke to author
- Hear the interview with Harper in the video clip on the right-hand side.
Zytaruk interviewed Harper in Surrey, B.C, in September 2005, shortly after the MP's death. Zytaruk asked if Harper knew anything about allegations that Tory officials had offered Cadman a $1 million insurance policy to help his wife.
"I don't know the details. I know there were discussions," Harper replied.
Harper also said the discussions included talk of money.
"The offer to Chuck was that it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election," he told the author.
Harper also said he did not believe that Cadman would be swayed to change his vote.
"I told them they were wasting their time. I said Chuck had made up his mind," he said.
Dona Cadman speaks
The allegations are quoted from Cadman's widow, Dona Cadman, who is now a Conservative candidate in her husband's former Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North. The independent MP's vote would have triggered an election.
In an interview with CTV British Columbia on Thursday, Dona Cadman backed up Zytaruk's account of their interview. She repeated what she told the author, telling CTV that two men visited her husband and offered him a $1 million life insurance policy "and a few other things."
Those, she said, included "being welcomed back into the Conservative Party." Asked if she considered the offer a bribe, Cadman said, "Yes, in a way."
She also noted that her late husband -- who was terminally ill at the time -- was extremely upset about the alleged bribe.
For his part, Zytaruk told Canada AM he didn't intend to accuse the Conservatives of misdeeds, but was simply reporting what he had been told through the course of numerous interviews with Dona Cadman.
"I'm saying this is what Dona has said has transpired. There was one person in the office besides Chuck. Dona wasn't in the office, but husbands and wives do talk and share intimate details of their day," he said.
Allegations dominate question period
The Cadman bribe allegations dominated question period Thursday. Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Liberal Leader Stephane Dion exchanged sharp barbs over the issue.
Harper strongly denied the claims saying, "There is absolutely no truth (to it)."
The Liberal Leader of the Opposition hammered Harper in front of a typically raucous House of Commons.
"He knew it was unethical, he knew it was illegal . . . why did the prime minister authorize this type of tactic?" Dion asked.
Harper responded that, "Chuck Cadman himself on national television . . . indicated that the story was not true."
He was referring to an interview Cadman had with Mike Duffy on CTV's Countdown in May 2005.
Cadman told Duffy that rumours he had been offered an unopposed nomination in his B.C. riding by Conservative officials, were true.
However, Cadman said he declined the offer.
"That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody," he added, rebuffing suggestions he made a deal to throw his support behind the Liberals.
"There were no offers on that table up to that point, on anything from anybody."
Ethics committee leader Paul Szabo confirmed to CTV.ca that the committee will discuss the allegations. The story was denied earlier Thursday by Sandra Buckler, director of communications for Harper.
"The then Leader of the Opposition at no time directed any party official to make any kind of financial arrangement with Chuck Cadman," she said in a statement, adding that Harper met with Cadman's widow on Sept. 9, 2005, and was asked by her about the accusation.
Later on the same day, Zytaruk contacted Harper and also asked about the story, Buckler said.
"The then Leader of the Opposition looked into the matter with party officials and could find no confirmation. And that is the last time he heard anything regarding this matter," she said.
Harper is quoted in the book as confirming to Zytaruk that a visit occurred and that the officials were legitimate representatives of the Conservative Party. But any offer to Cadman was only to defray losses he might incur in an election, the book cites Harper as saying.
Zytaruk said it was not his intention to pass judgment.
"I spoke with Stephen Harper and he had his say on the situation and I basically left it to the readers to decide," he said.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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reid
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Derek
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The Conservative Party is in court with Elections Canada for the "in and out" scheme. They also just settled over copyright infringement for using "for the love of money" in their latest ad.
Now this?
I thought the Conservatives ran on accountability in the last election... my bad.
Scott
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DD
said
Near zero, I imagine.
L.
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Allan Eizinas
said
Looks like the squeaky clean Harperites are starting to pick up more and more “rust” stains.
Hey Stevie, welcome to Ottawa!
Michael Chatel
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Nikolas
said
Have the leadership and insight Mr. Harper to take full responsibility as the head of your party, and not drop excuses, send out your ministers for explanations or hide behind your office. There is NO way you can spin this.
Vince M
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Just how do you get $1 million of insurance with a terminal desease (that everyone knew about) that's going to take you in three months?
There is something very contrived about this story - maybe to sell books. The timing certainly is suspicious.
I'm pretty sure Conservatives and Liberals were offering Cadman inducements, maybe things like political posts, a seat in the senate, etc but I'm willing to bet they were not offering insurance policies.
kfwioujwrio
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"There were no offers on that table up to that point, on anything from anybody."
Don J
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Witnesses say Harper showed up himself on this man's driveway to offer a bribe. This isn't the first time this type of behaviour has surfaced - at least 4 other instances so far in the past 2 years...
But THIS is just disparaging the PM? How about how the Tories disparaged a dying man by trying to bribe him? How about that injustice?
And Scott - personal gain? How is a dead man's story alerting Canadians to the tactics of Harper personal gain?
Gareth Hitchings
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They're under investigation for trying to manipulate the Ottawa Mayor's election with another bribe and Elections Canada says they spent millions more than they're legally allowed to in the election.
For a party that rode to power on a ticket of cleaning up Ottawa, they're starting to smell rotten.
Corruption and Sleaze is as much as part of Conservative ideology as stamping on the poor! It's time we threw them back into the political wilderness where they belong.
Vince M.
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"That was the only offer on anything that I had from anybody,"
Canman said.
So if that was the only inducement he had, how come there is another more shocking one today, just as the book is about to hit the shelves?
EMG
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Dennis
said
The timing is much too convenient. I don't buy it.
raj
said
I don't buy it
David in Que.
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Closely Watching
said
The RCMP should investigate immediately.
Sask Man
said
If the story is made juicy enough and it sells a few books then it was a success for someone to have talked about it.
Mr Harper is the best leader this county has seen in my forty years. Left leaners need to start appreciating him for his brain power and his leadership abilities. What are your alternatives,
Mr D. or Mr L.
Spencer
said
Create some mystery and intrigue where you have to get the details, but wait..... the book is not out yet. Your curiosity has been tweaked, and once that book comes out we can all buy it and read the details.... if there are any.
Without Chuck to confirm the details, it is second hand info before it gets to the writer, who then puts his spin on it.
By the time it gets printed it may be deserving a spot in the Fiction dept.
Jim
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Ken
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Chris
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Devon K.
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Cadman isn't much of a saint in my books either. He crusaded for harsher sentences for men like the killers of his son and against corruption. Then he turned around, knowing how corrupt the Liberals were, and voted with them.
Sorry but I don't believe the story on the insurance period.
Greg from Kitchener
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This stories timing can be put into questioning though.
This is not even news anyway.
Dwaine
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Dale
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Kai Wolf
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1) Who offers a million dollar life insurance policy to a dying man?
2) The timing of the release of this book
3) The person in the middle of this is running as a candidate for the Party being accused
But most of all, what Party stands to benifit the most from the outing of this information at such a crucial juncture in the life of this minority Parliament? Oh yeah. How convenient.
JD in Alberta
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Hmmmm.... To me it sounds like a sure fire way to make sure this book is a best seller....
49% made in China
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surprised that there are still some who think there is a difference between government and business. They are pretty much one in the same for the last quarter century or so. If you think otherwise read "Silent Coup, Confronting the Big Business of Canada".
Sue
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"Chuck, join the party and vote with us. You'll get help with election expenses and other perks like group insurance. Well, it might be tough to get you the insurance with your illness, but we'll try like hell. In fact, some in the party have coverage of a million dollars"
Gilles Etcheverry
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Make all MP’s look bad and corrupted when they actually are decent citizen that have give up big pay in the private sector to devote their live trying to improve this planet of ours the best they can but who stomp and fall from time to time not being perfect like the all mighty.
If what this book say is true well isn’t it about forgiveness as it might happen to all party to do stupid thing from time to time and I repeat no one is perfect let alone a flock.
I like all parties, they are doing their best. Let them cooperate together that is what is all about, positive thinking, the glass is half full... Look at the world right now and continue to believe that naïve people are wrong.
Thank you CTV for allowing forums like this one so citizen can express themselves.
Gilles, Montreal
Ryan in Winnipeg
said
But 'Chris' is right, innocent until proven guilty right? Hmm, maybe invoking that will make the government reconsider it's position about Omar Khadr, the Canadian citizen arrested as a minor whose been in jail for five years with no trial.
Mur
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Lee
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Shamaro
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FreakAlert
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Don S
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Jonathan
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Craig
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1. Cadman doesn't say anything about this in 2005 when asked despite reports in this book that he was "disgusted" with the party. How likely is that?
2. The Tories are known as pretty business saavy. I'm pretty sure they know how insurance works and that this wouldn't go through.
3. The Tories already confirmed that they offered Cadman membership back into the caucus however, to offer a former Tory a membership is hardly scandal.
4. Apparently Dona Cadman made these appalling allegations then...decides to run for the party anyway. Right, and that is likely?
More mud slinging for the anti-Harper crowd. Hopefully the majority of Canadians see through this bull.
and what about Belinda?
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Barney Rubble
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If you are innocent and want to actually clean things up, wouldn't you welcome thorough inquiries and better rules to "clean things up".
My experience has been that the guilty work diligently to make things go away as quickly as possible and create rules that make them innocent.
As for the insurance question, I agree that no insurance company would offer a policy to a dying person. Hmmmm, so who might have offered it then? Hopefully it was not my part of my tax bill.
D.
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Rick
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Eric
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Who knew it was so easy to destroy someone as to make any claim you want, and people will instantly believe you!
Does he have any evidence of these claims? I mean... at -all-? Or is it just his word? I'd need actual evidence before I start 'tsk'ing anyone.
Whatever happened to Innocent Until Proven Guilty?
DP
said
Now try to say you don't buy something in this scenario.
Dy
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Gary Norris
said
It doesn't sound true.
Why would she be a candidate for a Party and Prime Minister that would allegedly engage in attempted bribery?
Dona Cadman's integrity is on the line here, not the author of the book.
Richard - Vancouver
said
I move that we have an election sooner than later.
B. Lang
said
Failure to do so tells me they are guilty!
Louise
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Koby
said
Belinda's offer was legal. Chuck's offer was NOT legal, and the RCMP should investigate.
If you don't like the current laws, then let's change them.
JJgauvin
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DougD
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If this was true, Dona Cadman would be running for ANY party but the Conservatives.
Personal gain - yes. For Tom Zytaruk.
geep
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Corey
said
Giving the benefit of doubt that this did happen, Harper was still needed to get elected by all of Canada to become Prime Minister. I'm sure this allegation would have came out during the election campaign basically destroying his argument of an clean and honest government. Common sense says it didn't happen.
Andrew Saucier
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Trent
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Kelvin
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Russ
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NPS
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Having said that, don’t forget these are allegations with a he said-she said ring to it from a lesser known journalist on an issue that happened a few years ago. Creditability is lacking in my view and this book will be in the “discount” section at Chapters within six months.
Scott
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"I'll trust the word of Harper over the word of a journalist"
Kudos to you!! I mean, it's not like Harper has a track record of lies! Firing Bill Casey after telling Canadians that no MP would be fired for voting against the budget? Well that was just a misunderstanding.
Saying during Paul Martin's tenure that a Conservative goverment would never tax income trusts? Just a miscommunication I guess.
Covering up prisoner abuse in the 'stan? Business as usual.
Saying that oil revenue would absolutely be removed from equalization payments and then sticking it to Sask and Nfld? Well, it just had to be done I guess.
With a track record like this, you're willing to take Harper's word for ANYTHING? WOW. Please excuse me for snickering under my breath at you right now.
NL_Expatriate
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Duane
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Devon K.
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1. Dona Cadman is running for the Tories.
2. She wasn't present at this meeting but we're told husbands and wives share this as the rationale.
3. Chuck Cadman never went forward with this when he was alive.
4. A book on Chuck Cadman wouldn't be selling all that much unless it had a good scandal or something that was juicy.
The only guy I'm questioning here is Zytaruk and his obvious motives. He says he isn't look to accuse the Tories of any thing or pass judgement. Come on! We weren't born yesterday.
None of this washes as believable and I doubt the RCMP or the Courts will do little save for rolling their eyes.
In fact, the only person here who is really in the line of fire is Dona Cadman who looks like a hypocrite for making unfounded accusations and then running for the party who she made the accusations against!
Oh what a farce!
Macek
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It is clear, that it is made for political purpose. I do not care for what purpose
it is done, or which political party suppose to benefit or not to benefit from that.
Misusing the name of this great man - Cadman, for whom we have great respect
cab be done only by morally corrupted people. When our Canadian journalist
and politicians return back into civilized manners and human respects, at least to have
respect for dead people and not to use them for their own gain? Yes, it is
disgusting behavior, which became a daily menu for our politicians and some trashy
book authors.
Cadman's Admirer
A skeptical Edward in Vancouver
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JJ
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Les
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Tor Schmid
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Liberal version of "Swiftboating". Engage your brains, folks! Offering an MP a million dollars to support a party in a vote in Canada is simply beyond belief. But then, some people will believe anything, including HRDC, Gun Registry, and Sponsorship. Ah yes, good old politics!
ray
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Denise
said
Actually, Dy, the accusation was made by the journalist who wrote the book, and he CLAIMS that Dona Cadman said it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what her response is...
my take on this
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I think this part of the above article is very interesting.
The story has been denied by Sandra Buckler, director of communications for Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
"The then Leader of the Opposition at no time directed any party official to make any kind of financial arrangement with Chuck Cadman," she said in a statement, adding that Harper met with Cadman's widow on Sept. 9, 2005, and was asked by her about the accusation.
Later on the same day, Zytaruk contacted Harper and also asked about the story, Buckler said.
"The then Leader of the Opposition looked into the matter with party officials and could find no confirmation. And that is the last time he heard anything regarding this matter," she said.
Harper is quoted in the book as confirming to Zytaruk that a visit occurred and that the officials were legitimate representatives of the Conservative Party. But any offer to Cadman was only to defray losses he might incur in an election, the book cites Harper as saying.
I'm not too sure about history, but I do know ... Stephen Harper will go down and he will be driving the bus.
Doug Rutherford
said
However, we should determine if it is true. Given the serious nature of some of the allegations, some expediency in determining the facts should also be exercised. The Ethics Committe, which may or may not have decided to terminate the Mulroney-Schrieber topic, should decide immediately to launch an investigation. The RCMP should also be called in by the PMO immediately.
Buckwheat Bubba
said
We need more like him in Ottawa.
Interesting that he sat as an independent isn't !
Davey Legasse
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Rona from Canmore
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retep
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Paul in British Columbia
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The conservatives should clear the air and call for an investigation into the allegations; after all it was they who won the last election on the accountability issue.
David Waye, Halifax, Nova Scotia
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FCS
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Pierre
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I wouldn't put it past the Consevatives simply because they have so far taken every opportunity for political gains even when it meant they needed to do something wrong (see firing Linda Keen for doing her job)
Chris RR
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FreakAlert
said
I wonder if it's ever been suggested that politicians, no matter what party, be given polygraph tests for the truth.....or lie?
O
said
What Harper is forgetting is that Canadians didn't vote IN the Conservatives. They voted OUT the Liberals. This minority government needs to keep that in mind!
ILTIS
said
God be with us if these clowns get a majority.
Funny how Harper was so cocky in the house yesterday...but today not a peep.
Tom
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Stephen Sockett
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RRR Lethbridge
said
How can you condemn anyone when you don't even know the facts? This is a third hand story at best, and who can gain from it? Dona Cadman and the Author. Anyone can see through this.
d in Victoria
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jill
said
Donna is now running as a PC.??????
jay
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Pat Edgar
said
are in government, not put aside all the ridiculous accusations which to a lot of Canadians seem almost childish and work to better our country instead of trying to find dirt on everyone. I really do not care who is in office and would just like to see our politicians working for the betterment of the Country as a whole. They are embarrassing us !!
Robin the Hood
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John
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Al in Cranbrook
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Who on God's green earth would provide a million dollar life insurance policy to anyone who is terminally ill???
But never mind how asinine all of this nonsense is, that won't stop the Libs and Dippers from playing it for everything they can squeeze out of it, eh?
What in hell is next!
Mike S.
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RsG
said
Yep, shoot first...ask questions later?
I don't "do" the political thing as vigorously as some of you but one can't help but notice that time and time again when this current gov't goes about trying to run this country, and not to shabbily(sp?)in my view, there are those who want to pick and poke and redirect energy and RESOURCES that we fund to chase monsters...real or imagined. Does the opposition want to be a part of fixing what is broke in our wonderful country or do they just want to stomp and shake the table until something falls and breaks...Wow! I know that inspires great trust. Meanwhile will somebody get me my wallet so I can pay for that?!
Mark
said
Hmm...let me think, couldn't be that there is anything contrived about this could there?
There will be righteous indignation from the Liberals and NDP. They will demand that the PM resign/step down, open an artery...
IAM CANADIAN
said
I feel so sorry for the way some Canadians feel they have to run down anyone who seems to be doing the right thing. What is happening to our Canadian society??? What must other countries think of us??
Dave Ruud, London Ontario
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Vincent
said
Why would she lie?
He has a BUNCH of questions to answer.
CM
said
A police investigation seems warranted now, but I'd be suprised if this was anything more than a party trying to entice a MP to vote with them.
It happens all the time and as much as we don't like it it's not illegal. Anyone remember Paul Martins enticement of Ms. Stronach over to the Liberals to save his skin on another occasion?
Now for that 1 million dollars, well now that just sounds like a lie flat out.
Vincent
said
She publicly alleges this herself, so SOMEONE is lying.
It's either her or Harper. And who has more to gain (or loose)? Her or the Conservative Party?
Timothy
said
But it sounds like there is enough here, even from Cadman's own mouth, to cause us to pause and question the truthfulness of this allegation.
May
said
Suppose the Conservatives offered to compensate Chuck for his finances: which would include a lost insurance policy of unknown amount. I.E, if Chuck’s insurance policy was lost they would pay what the insurance policy should have paid. This is not an insurance policy in itself because real insurance is done through a company, but it is compensation for loss of an existing insurance policy.
Does this constitute a bribe? I can see this being argued both ways. On the one hand it is an offer of money, but on the other hand it is really only compensation to cover financial loss. It is not enticing him to vote so much as potentially removing a concern for him if that was the way he wanted to vote.
Note that I am leaving Donna Cadman out of the equation so far. That is because her statement is the strangest and most contradictory thing I have ever heard from a politician. She is the only one who says there was a million dollar insurance policy. With all due respect to Donna Cadman, she doesn’t seem to be that bright judging by the interview. I don’t believe she is lying but I think she may have gotten the wrong end of the stick. Perhaps Chuck Cadman’s insurance would have paid a million dollars out, and the Conservative party had offered to compensate that if the company did not pay. On the one hand, Donna Cadman said she understood why the Conservative party offered this and would have expected that from any party, on the other hand she said she was angry about it. On yet another hand she said she was less angry now... that she believes it was a bribe “in a way” and yet she can’t possibly be that angry or believe it was that much of a bribe and still be running for the Conservative party. The only conclusion I get from this is that Donna Cadman appears to be a very strange woman.
So the main question is: would this offer entice Cadman to vote a certain way, or just remove a financial obstacle if voting that way was truly his intention? It is certainly a fine line, but I personally lean towards the latter conclusion.
Bryan
said