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Date: Fri. Feb. 22 2008 11:18 PM ET

Never at a loss for words, former prime minister Jean Chretien says that Canada is in a "delicate" spot over the decision whether to recognize Kosovo's declaration of independence.

"Canada has to be careful because people want to separate from Canada," Chretien told reporters from Ottawa's Rideau Hall on Friday.

He said because of Canada's Clarity Act, which sets rules for legal separation from the country, the government should be careful of setting a dangerous precedent by recognizing Kosovo's unilateral separation from Serbia.

The U.S., U.K., Germany and France are among more than a dozen nations that have recognized Kosovo's independence. Canada has not yet taken a position.

Chretien noted that both the U.K. and France have their own problems with segments of their populations wishing to separate. Scotland and Wales in the U.K. have long had separatist parties and France has had issues with its Mediterranean island of Corsica.

"But I'm not the one who decides for the government," Chretien said. "I'm not the Monday morning quarterback."

Chretien was made a companion of The Order of Canada Friday in Ottawa and spoke about Kosovo when prompted by reporters.

On Friday, Liberal Leader Stephane Dion said it would be preferable that Canada join its European allies and recognize Kosovo.

A pair of former ambassadors agreed with Chretien that Canada should move cautiously.

James Bissett, Canada's former Ambassador to Yugoslavia, told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live Friday evening that he is concerned that Kosovo declared independence unilaterally and without a referendum.

Paul Heinbecker, a former Canadian Ambassador to the United Nations, noted, however, that the situation in Kosovo is very different from issues in Canada about Quebec.

"There has been -- between the Kosovars and the Serbs -- a lot of trouble," Heinbecker said.

"There was a war in 1999. NATO had to intervene to stop it. By the time NATO started, (the Serbs) had expelled nearly 500,000 people from their homes in Kosovo. In Canada, we haven't had a shot fired between the French and the English for about 200 years."

Many analysts have said Serbs engaged in ethnic cleansing and discrimination against minority populations in the former Yugoslavia. But Heinbecker pointed out that Canada is a strong state that has had many protections for minorities. He said Canada has historically welcomed full participation of Quebecers into the national life.

He added that Quebecers have held the Prime Minister's Office for significant periods, and they are at the top levels of the military, government, and other public offices.

The Serbian ambassador to Canada, Dusan Batakovic, told CTV Newsnet that he agreed with Chretien's comments, especially when the former Liberal prime minister said that it's hard to judge the escalating situation in Serbia without being there.

"Of course, Serbs remain defiant," Batakovic said of the recent outburst of violence in the capital of Belgrade. "(But) it's regrettable . . . an emotional outburst is obviously wrong."

Many Serbians see Kosovo as the ancient cradle of their state and religion.

Batakovic also expressed concern for the ethnic Serbians in Kosovo and added that Serbia would try to block any attempt by Kosovo to join the United Nations.

Kosovo is 90 per cent populated by ethnic Albanians. It has not been under Belgrade's control since 1999, when air strikes were launched by NATO to put an end to a Serbian crackdown on separatists.

Since then Kosovo has been governed by a United Nations mission.

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BOBT
said

Kosovo is not the same as Quebec. Quebec does not have a power in Ottawa that has tried to kill off most of their population as the Serbs have tried in that region. Also, if Kosovo is so important to the Serbs, why are they only 10% of the population? NATO was all that stopped the killing in Kosovo. One also has to question the mentality of Serbians who destroy parts of Belgrade to "protest". And why attack the Croatian embassy? Just another example of ethnic hatred in the region.


John S.
said

If there were no issues with Quebec Separatists, then it would be easy and say yes.

Until the Separatist Movement is crushed in Quebec, the best the Prime Minister should do is we cannot recognize Kosovo due to doing so would ignite separatism back home


jill-ny
said

I don't find anything this man has to offer relevant.I am sure the powers that be know, that this a precarious situation


Mike - Toronto
said

I find it hilarious the disorganized Liberal Leadership first criticized the Conservatives for not recognizing them right away. As we can now see why, it was a smart move to wait and think over the facts before jumping to conclusions. These reckless comments are another example of why the Liberals shouldn’t be in power, very appalling


FreakAlert
said

What about Alberta with all it's wealth? What if they ditch Canada for a more prosperous 'Greater Alberta'?


kathy
said

Didn't Dion rush in and say that Harper should recognize independence like on the first day.Rash decision from the Liberals playing into Quebcec separatists hands.


Eric
said

Every nation is different. Every situation is different. Because of that, our actions/views towards situations abroad CAN be different and even contrary to those actions/views here at home. To say otherwise would be prejudicial because is saying their situation is the EXACT smae as ours. If the Separatists in Quebec want to use this as leverage, then I say shame on them for exploiting other peoples problems for their own gain. Not only is that un-Canadian, its inhumane!!!


Louise Fribance
said

Do all past Prime Ministers get the Order of Canada? If not, I'd like to know what Chrétien has done above others to receive it?


Gary
said

Kosovo will be a defining tipping point for Canada in the new world order. It will indicate Canada's position on foreign affairs and thus foreign policy. Where is the line drawn between what Canada believes and acts on and what we must leave alone for those countries/states to sort out themselves. It is complex. How far does human rights extend ? In this global age where the planet wroks a lot closer together...how much do we intervene or offer assistance or mediate and diplomatic efforts. It is clearer that the world is interconnected in many ways. How do we protect our soil and also contribute to our global responsibilities. What role do we play ? What role should we play ? It must attest to Canadian values. This is where the political tensions internally reveal themselves. There is no easy answer but we should ensure we do not disenfranchise our own Canadian people in making that detemrination. Just ask the US citizens about Bush's antics to see the effects of a disconnect within their bordres that affects their global standing. Harpers crew is too inexperienced and too far right winged to represent Canadians. He knows it. That is his dilemma and why he is quiet on this matter. Chretien is right...tough spot...for Mr Harper. Canadians under the Liberals earned a reputation on the world stage that was one of the very best. And is why we are so well respected around the globe.


Dave out west
said

Why doesn't Serbia just call Kosovo a "Nation", even though they really are not their own nation, and all will be happy. Things can continue as was before. It worked for Quebec!


C
said

Forcing a majority of persons to belong to a nation that they no longer want to be a part of is recipe for something bad (i.e. civil war). As such, I suspect that the Conservative government will do the right thing and recognize Kosovo once the situation has settled somewhat.

As for Quebec, if they choose to separate, then that is their decision alone to make. I wouldn't want them to stay a part of Canada if they truly don't want to be here.


Doug
said

Oddly,and for the first time in a long time,I agree with him about this issue. The "unintended consequences" and the potential for creating dangerous precedents must be very carefully considered.
With that in mind,I find it surprising when I look at the list of countries jumping in to recognize Kosovo.I have to assume they either know a lot of things we don't,or have just as much trouble finding good government as we do here.


Gerald Skowronski
said

Does anyone actually listen to this has-been anymore? Come on; he had nothing of consequence to say while at the head of the trough. No one cares what he thinks.


Vancouver
said

Kosova had a long bloody road to independence. Canadian foreign minister already has embraced Ahtisari`s plan and Canadian stand is already known by that.Violence might continue in Serbia and it is because violence is in Serbian blood, it has been few years now that they have not been able to attack their neighbours,and unfortunately US and other embassies were a target becase when they have no one to attack they attack each other. The only thing they take pride on are the barbaric acts and war criminals.Unfortunately serbian people have decades of brainwashing by Serbian government and and a method of continius lying to make them belive their own lie. Serbian people should get out of a myth box and join their neighbours in the road to prosperity.


ex-Canadian
said

What a crock from Chretien. Here's a PM who came within a hairs-breath of losing the country, is an absolute classless act, and the media still fawns all over him. He's never done anything beyond his own self-interest and ego, and he gets the Order of Canada, further devaluing the decoration.


rob
said

I agree with Chretien, we should not support brake away provinces, who unilaterally declare independance. Negotiations are the only way this can happen, the PQ is hoping that we foolishly join the US and EU and recognize Kosovo, so that they can use this as an excuse to continue their agenda to destroy Canada.


nathan
said

BOBT's comment is incredibly ignorant of history. Just because Serbs are only 10% of the population today doesn't mean it was always so.


Michael Le Couteur MSCD, ret'd
said

So, does this mean if and when Quebec separates the West will embrace it. What if no one in the West supports it and the East does? Talk about a rock and a hard place. I am laughing so hard at this. Please stop...my sides hurt. You tell 'em Jean.


Peter
said

Kosova and Quebec are not the same. Albanians migrated to Serbia (Kosovo), and decided that since they are the majority, they should then separate. When they announced their unilateral declaration, they waved "Albanian" flags. If they are so proud of Albania, then they should go back to Albania. It is no different then the mexicans in the border states of the US. In the future, they could one day be the majority in one of those states. Does that give them the right to seperate that state? No. Quebec and the french, along with the english, founded Canada. 2 different scenarios.


D in Calgary
said

To FreakAlert:

Nothing could be better for Alberta than to separate from Canada.

The west has been ignored for too long by Ottawa, and now even though Mr. Harper is the PM, The resentment towards Ottawa is just to deep. Just take a look at the Tranfer payments Ottawa gets in a year from Alberta, compare that to the east?? How much does Quebec pay? Nothing,at all. All because their french.

Ottawa would never let Alberta leave because Quebecs piggy bank would be gone


Linda
said

THis guy gets the Order Of Canada for winning three elections.I can hardly believe it.I was a Liberal then,but the only reason I voted for him was because there was no one else.
PC's were banished,NDP remains a joke,at best,and Reform were to close to the radical right.It has to be easy to win elections if all the opposition is so badly fractured.
And he takes way to much credit for balanced budgets.He really need to acknowledge Preston Manning and a host of others for pushing the issue.And the Free trade and GST deals that gave him the money to do it.
Really.I guess honesty in politics is to much to expect.I don't like Harper or Dion,but I'm sure glad Cretien is out of there.Even if he makes a good point on this issue.
I doubt there is any decision Harper can make here that would be approved by everyone.
ROCK--Harper--HARD PLACE


Dan
said

What a cowardly statement!

There are several major differences between Kosovo and Quebec:

1) Canada has never tried to exterminate French-speaking population in Quebec, while Serbia has been trying since the WWII. In the years after the WWII, special partisan units were formed for killing Albanian children in Kosovo, to fight Albanian high natality. In sixties and seventies, water wells in Albanian villages were poisoned with anti-fertility drugs for the same reason. Not to mention that Albanians were never allowed to learn Albanian language and culture in schools.

2) 92% of Kosovo population are Albanians. Quebec is not even close.

3) Unlike Serbs, Canadians are a peaceful nation and their culture is based on tolerance and multiculturalism. Check out B92 videos on YouTube and you will see that violence is deeply rooted in Serbian culture. No wonder no one in ex-Yugoslavia wanted to live with Serbs in the same country.

Chretien, your statement reflects either cowardice or ignorance!


Greg from Kitchener
said

Canada should recognize Kosovo, Quebec is not that same thing, you cannot compair, but if Quebec does want to seperate, go ahead, just let us keep the Montreal Canadiens.....



Sophie, Ottawa
said

I agree with Chretien as well. The Quebec situation remains somewhat a delegate, passionate issue...

I am actually wondering if there is such a position as ''neutral''.


RS
said

I strongly disagree with comparisons that are made between Quebec and Kosovo. Do I need to remind you that Canada has actively participated in the bombing of Serbia in '99? Why? To end massacres that were taking place in Kosovo. Last time I checked nothing of this sort ever took place in Quebec. On the contrary they are the most spoiled province in Canada.Bar none.

Canada should recognize independence of Kosovo without delay, and join other western democracies that have done so.


Javid Radfar
said

Louise Fribance!
What Jean Chretien did for this country includes eliminating the deficit, which was left for us by dear Conservatives. He also brought down the national debt, which was the second highest among G7. Furthermore, he made the Clarity Bill, so the separatist cannot have their "way" on a possible referendum. Jean Chretien is one of the greatest prime ministers this country has ever had and I am proud of his accomplishments.



PB
said

BOBT - The Serbs didn't try to kill off most of the Albanians in Kosovo. The JNA targeted known KLA strongholds and completely bypassed non-KLA tows and villages which is why the population shifted on mass only AFTER NATO started bombing, not before, which explodes the myth by Wesley Clark about Serbian ethnic cleansing.

As for the difference in population - that's easy. Albanians have a MUCH higher birth rate than Serbs, which is why the population has shifted from the Serbs being in the majority in 1912, to them being a minority now.

Dave out west - Good point, but the reason this can't happen is tied into the REAL reason NATO invaded Serbia in the first place - it's vast mineral wealth. In the north of the country they estimate there is 15 BILLION tons of lignite, 15 BILLION tons of cobalt (which is great for the aerospace industry) and 20 BILLION tons of lead and zinc.

The great prize is the lignite/coal. With increasing industrialisation on a global scale, everyone is grabbing resources, hence the US invasion of Iraq for it's oil (which is why it never had a reconstruction plan - it never intended to leave), and then the invasion of Serbia for it's coal supplies and gas (newly discovered in southern Kosovo - TRILLIONS of cubic metres of gas).

Most of the mineral wealth is smack bang under Mitrovica, the Serb dominated part of Kosovo. This is why the US and EU are happy to recognise Kosovo, yet won't allow partition of the province - it would defy the whole reason for invading inthe first place if the Serbs still retain control of 75+ % of the mineral wealth !!!

Vancouver- you should stop talking a load of bull and tell the world what really happened, i.e the fact that the UK, US and German secret services trained and equipped the KLA to start a war of insurgency in the first place. They wanted Milosevic to respond so that they had the pretext to intervene. If any ethnic group has blood on it's hands, it's the Albanians. You conveniently forget you NAZI sympathies in WWII with your special albanian units, e.g SS Skanderberg.

Dino M
said

To compare Kosovo to Quebec is to compare apples to oranges. The French had a presence here since the beginnings of this great nation. The Albanians are an immigrant minority from Albania proper who have an extremist element among them. This fanatical group violently elbowed their way to an independence movement within the borders of ancient Serbia in a single generation. They were extremist NAZI collaborators in WW2 that massacred Serbs, Romas, and other non-Albanians in Kosovo and today's KLA have documented ties to terrorist organizations as confirmed by the CIA. This is an obvious land theft from a sovereign nation under the world's nose; an act of ethnic cleansing of the Serbs from Kosovo, the cradle of ancient Serbian civilization. Ironically, only Serbia remains a truely multi-ethnic society in the Balkans with over 26 diverse ethnicities,including Albanian, happily living within its borders. Albania, Kosovo, nor other regions like Croatia simply cannot claim the same. Canada should not recognize this illegal, self-proclaimed independence.


Bob
said

Rob:

You are absolutley correct when you say,"the PQ is hoping that we foolishly join the US and EU and recognize Kosovo, so that they can use this as an excuse to continue their agenda to destroy Canada."

Check out the PQ's website where they are congratulting Kosovo:

http://www.pq.org/?menu=5&q=node/1617




AD
said

And just to add, Croatia expelled 200,000 Serbs in one day just because we wanted to be treated as equal citizens AGAIN and west did nothing about it.


Valorie
said

The situation with Kosovo is not comparable to our situation with Quebec. As others have pointed out, Serbia and Kosovo has had an extremely violent and volatile relationship. Also, so far Quebec has not voted for separation. If that should happen, I doubt violence would erupt. We would talk it out - we all know we would.


Matt
said

It's an internal Serbian issue, these other countries are meddling in internal affairs.

I think the only way to split a country is by mutual agreement. Civil war is simply terrorism by those who aren't willing to accept the actions of their government.

As for Quebec and Alberta, they are both part of Canada, and I will not accept any unilateral declaration of independence.


Marijana
said

BOBT said it perfectly. Is there ethnic cleansing involved with us and Quebec? No, the situations are completely different. Canada does not mistreat Quebec at or, or to any extent at which Serbia did with Kosovo. This is not as comparable as people make it seem. Essentially by recognizing Kosovo, Canada would be recognizing human rights.


Flori Kooli
said

This is noise about nothing. Chretien seems that since leaving power is not well informed anymore. It seems like a pensioneer talking from Florida.

If we get the decision of Suprime court of Canada about Quebec Separation you will see that it applies 100% to Kosovo and gives Kosovo the right to secede. This is in the paragraph where it is written that only peoples that are suppressed and colonialsed has the rifght to secede. This is the case of Kosovo.

All what you are doing is much ado about nothing. Secesion of Kosovo is in total agreement with the Supreme Court Decision of Canada in legal terms.


John S.
said

Flori Kooli, we already did

And the Supreme Court ruled that Quebec separating is unconstitutional. Thus, the Clarity Act we see today.




Jerome
said

A "delicate" situation, to say the least. If Canada doesn't follow the US and others, Harper's chance of a majority government may be lost. He MUST hold on to the support he now has in Quebec. After all, politics is all that matters in Canada.


john lee
said

How Kosovo can survive with only 2 million people? This is US and UK, EU's game to control this earth's people and the resources. If current government do the same as US, EU. This government should step down today.


Mike
said

Guys, apply the International Law if you want to keep the world in order. Secession of Kosovo from Serbia is breaking the International Law.
In case you dont know what it is, find out!
By breaking the International Law, the only law which will remain will be the law of brute force to protect Serbia's territorial integrity.

Why's is the only 10% Serbes currently living in Kosovo. It is because they have been cleansed by the Albanians for decades.


Bettina
said

This is a response to BOBT .. maybe this will change your mind. Serbia has had that land for centuries. They let Albanians in during the 50's .. they gave them schools, tv station, radio, etc .. etc. The population was at 10% during the 60's, now its 90%. They want and want and want. How dare they take the Serbian's land. That land is hallowed for the Serbs. That's where they saved Europe during the Ottoman Empires quest to take Europe. The Serbs are heroes and I am not even a Serb. Look at the facts before you hear the one sided story from the Western media.


Ed Lenarcic
said

As always, this clown has it wrong. Note that he did NOT say Canada shouldn't recognize. He said Canada is in a "delicate" spot. Nothing delicate here. If 90% of Quebecers chose to secede, what would the rest of us do? Would we riot in the streets? Burn embassies? Send in the troops? Insist that we'll take it back eventually? I sure hope not. With great regret, we'd negotiate peaceable terms - something the Serbs refused to do with the other ex-YU seceders as well as with Kosovo. Refusing to recognize will not change a single Quebec (or Alta or Nfld) separatist mind. Let's recognize reality and give Kosovars the same respect and human rights we would give to any of our own.


Bobby
said

Kosovo has always been Serbian land and alot of the public are unaware of this fact... The Public has not paid attention to the history and realized that Serbia allowed the albanians to immigrate into its great nation. Furthermore the United States has admittedly systematically destroyed the former Yugoslavia due to a mass propaganda campaign which was never proven to be true. The intelligent informed public would never allow this reckless act of declaring independence if they actually knew the history. The equivelent of this tryanny would be Chinese immigrants in the City of Richmond BC declaring Richmond as the peoples republic of china...because it has the majority of the population. It would in essence be the same thing....I applaud Jean Chretien for making clear that this isn't the right thing to do and also for Standing against the United States by not waging their Illegal war in Iraq. Let me remind the public that the Bush Administration Lied to get us into a never ending war eerily similar to Vietnam.


Milos
said

There are several major differences between Kosovo and Quebec:

1) Canada has never tried to exterminate French-speaking population in Quebec, while Serbia has been trying since the WWII.

2) 92% of Kosovo population are Albanians. Quebec is not even close.

3) Unlike Serbs, Canadians are a peaceful nation and their culture is based on tolerance and multiculturalism.
Chretien, your statement reflects either cowardice or ignorance!..."
----------------------
Dear Dan, ignorance is a lousy thing, but a deliberate and constant lying,as you are, is more dangereous.

1. 300,000 Serbs were progrssively trough 1945-2008 expelled (cleansed) from its own land in KosovO. Kosova is an invented word, stolen from the Serbian word KosovO (land of blackbird). In fact the only nation that felt genicde were Serbs: Nazis, Austro-Hungarians, Albanians, Croatians, Muslims (Bosnia), 1914, 1945, 1991, 1995, 2004, 2008.

2. Quebec is populated with about 85% Francophones, read statistics.

3. Serbs are very friendly and peace-loving people, but react with a determination when attacked or when a justice hasn't been done, either to them or to somebody else. We love freedom and our land, and we will not exchange them for anything in the world. In Serbia live more than 60 different nations, and Belgrade was always known as a multicultural city. Serbs were allies to US, UK, France and all other progressive peace-loving nations, whereas Albania and Shiptars were always on agressors' side: Nazi side torturing and killing not only Serbs, but Albanians who were thinking differently

4. Mr. Chretien is very right. A wise nation should find truth for itself by consulting all nencessary resources possible. And, trust me, they will find it sooner or later.


Bernard Romanycia
said

Kosovo doesn't meet the criteria for independance and thus should not be recognized. The violence will continue. The current migratory Albanians who've settled in Serbia are now declaring independance. Dig a little deeper and see that this conflict is centuries old. If you think it's not about religion then you're a fool.


ron
said

It is in our constitution that provinces have the right to separate.
there was never ever any kind of suppresion crimes killings and mass expulsion done on Quebec people by any Canadian government.
There were a few referendums done in Quebec for independence were they voted to stay within Canada etc etc.
This is why Quebec and Kosova are two very different things. Please people understand this once and for all. I guess our politicians have to understand this too.


C
said

I don't really want Canada to recognize Kosovo as independent if it means our Embassy there may get torched like the USA's did, but if it makes Quebec mad and they decide to seperate I'll be right there waving at them as they Go


Dardane Shushka
said

It's morbid to identify and compare the issues of Quebec and Kosovo.I'ts appalling to identify the status of Quebecers in Canada with the former status of Albanians in Yougoslavia. Please note that Kosovo was never part of Serbia, but part of Yougoslavia - a few provinces that got together. Just a reminder, Canadian Government has not occupied Quebec for 80years as Serbia did to Albanians land. Our Government has not jailed and killed thousands of people who have not supported occupation during the period 1918-1999.
Canadian Goverment has not slaughtered/massacred thousands of civilians and displaced and looted houses of million people like serbian Government did.Do not we forget thet Serbia started the war in former Yougoslavia, fist in Slovenia killing a number of people, subsequently started the war in Croatia and massacred thousands of civilians, then in Bosnia and massacred hundreds of thousands(remember Srebrenica) and then in KOsovo and slaughtered thousands of unprotected civilians and destroyed entire province.Albanians are happy today not because they got their occupied teritory back but more that they will not fear Serbian fashism in their own house. (or pretend not to know) the truth and tragedy about Balkans.


Ustasa
said

AD,

You think anybody can feel sorry for Serbs for your comment of "200000 serbs were kicked out of Croatia." Stop believing your own propaganda. It is a lie. What has Serbia done to Croatians, Slovenians, Bosnias, Albanians since god know when? Typical? Nobody feels sorry for Serbia as this has been brought upon themselves. All these countries have left because of Serbian oppresion and war crimes. Now everyone can see Serbia show their true colours. As for "Mr." Chretien. Zip it. Noone cares about your opinion.


Cufi
said

Please please before you say Albanians are immigrants in Kosovo. Read the First Generations of Kosovo Albanians.Their Ancient nation Dardanians an Illyrian Tribe that has lived in the region since 6000 BC...Slavs or Serbs arrived in Balkans only in 6 - 8 AD century......so 15 centuries ago they arrived in balkans.

Read the HIstory of ILLYRIANS and their DARDANIAN TRIBE and then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Illyrian_tribes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanii

read the history of SLAVS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs


freedom lover
said

Harper's primary concern is to comply with US dictates.

Recognizing the rogue state of "Kosovo" will open up a can of worms Canada should avoid.


Neil
said

Peter's Comment
"Quebec and the french, along with the english, founded Canada. 2 different scenarios"

No Peter, Canada was already founded; the english and french migrated here and done just that, made it their own country.

So if the mexican migration leads to a majority in a US state and are mistreated by the US and decide to seperate, GREAT!!!


Pavel
said

Those who see differences between Kosovo in Quebec are just blind. Had you followed the event in its dynamics you would have known that the story started when Kosovar terrorists started killing federal policemen in Kosovo, 2-3 every week, with full support of the local population.
When the federal government tried to crack down on terrorists, they had no choice but to move away a few families living along the border with Albania to prevent entrance and exit of bandits.
The rest is a fairy tale written by Americans who want to plant a Muslim terrorist country in the centre of Europe to destabilize their main economic competitor. The competitor itself has something on its mind -- like Germany that dreams about returning territories that were taken away after the WWII.
Just wait, Canada. If a hot francophone head starts killing federal servants in Quebec, the Kosovo scenario will be repeated exactly.



Josh
said

Quebec is just an excuse used by goverments opposed to the Kosovo's independance to convince Canada not to recongnize Kosovo. Canada should not be bullied by other nations, especially Russia that would probably call them terorist as an escuse to kill all of them like they did in Chechnya.


Roger Mills
said

Quebec can go any time they want. No sense in staying if you don't want to be here. Like a bad marriage, sometimes it is better to separate than stay together. Then you can find out what is like on you own, for better or worse.


Nate
said

Canada cannot recognize Kosovo as a nation, because if it does then it reignites the Quebec issue. However, the main reason Canada can't recognize Kosovo is because of the way they went about separating, they just up and left without anyone notice to Serbia. If Canada supports Kosovo and then Quebec tries to separate then what happens? The U.S. and U.K. would have to decide whether or not to support Quebec and they won't because then one of their biggest trading partners is split in half. All Kosovo has done here is create a complete political mess. I feel for the people of Kosovo who have been persecuted but there's a better way then this to deal with it.


mac
said

Oh, there was violence involved in Kosovo's separation from Serbia, and that's why Quebec would not separate from Canada.

So, Quebec separatists have to commit lots of violence before the cause of separation can be condoned.

Well, that's the consequence of some your mindless maundering.




Dan
said

Milos,

> 1. 300,000 Serbs were progrssively trough 1945-2008 expelled
> (cleansed)...

Yeah, sure... How come that Serbs fought a war with almost every other
nation in ex-Yugoslavia? Bosnians voluntary killed themselves in
Srebrenica? The problem with you guys is that you are always blaming
someone else for your atrocities and their consequences..

> 2. Quebec is populated with about 85% Francophones, read statistics.

Heh, less than 50% of people voted for independence of Quebec. Seems
like every single Albanian (92%) wants to part away from Serbia.

> 3. Serbs are very friendly and peace-loving people,

Sure... :) How come that Serbs fought a war with almost every single
nation in ex-Yugoslavia. This reminds me of a problematic kid in
elementary school, he would get in fights with other kids and always
blamed others.



Kevin - Calgary
said

The nations that have declared independence over the last few decades were at one time independent to begin with. Kosovo has never been anything other than Serbian. We've had separatists trying to tear Canada apart, when Canada is what made them what they are in the first place. I think I understand the outrage that the Serbian people must feel.


Bob H
said

Canada is better off not saying one way or the other. If we agree the idiots in Quebec will see this as a win win situation, if we disagree the rest of the Western Countries will be on our case.The whole damn World is in turmoil, if more Countries kept their noses out of others business perhaps it would be a better place. I personaly don't give a Rat's behind what other Countries do or don't do, what we or what anybody thinks is not going to change all these religious wars.Religion is now and always has been the problem throughout hundreds of years and will continue to be the driving force in the future. Let these religious barbarians butcher each other as they have done for centuries, nothing we do or say will change the fact, they are uncivilized savages.Isn't it strange that almost everywhere in the World where neighbor kills neighbor, they are Muslims.Peaceful religion be damned, they are out and out butchers.We are better off to say nothing.


Tom M.
said

BOBT - You really must read the history of Kosovo to understand this matter. 1. To understand the origins of Serbs and their significance to Kosovo, simply Google or wiki "blackbird field" and "1389".. This date was of course about a century before the pilgrims landed on Plymouth rock. 2. There are only 10% Serbs because for the last century, the Muslim Albanians outbreed the Christian Serbs. Muslims would have 8 and 9 children while Serbs would have 1 and 2. This is verified through census which has been done regularly since Serbs reclaimed the territory from the ataman Turks in the beginning of the 20th century and can be researched at the office of records through Serb government sites. Further on that point, since 99' Nato has failed to control the security of that region and Serbs have failed to return. Note: Really BOBT – shall we erase the memory of our proud resistance to Santa Anna at the Alamo and give up southern Texas to Mexicans wanting to succeed from the United States? Just think about that. As I recall in our most recent 2000 census, half of all LEGAL Hispanics living in the US are in two states: California and Texas. They have historical claim to both ironically 3. The government lead by Milosevic died with Milosevic in the Haag. Or shall I say it was poisoned along with him. The reality of the matter is that that government is in a minority which until 5 days ago had no hope of regaining any reasonable authority. But then again, aside from the demonized vision of that swine Milosevic, was he so different than Abraham Lincoln wanted to preserve the state of the union. To tell you the truth, I’m not so sure given what I no know about the lies, slant and distortion of western media over the last 2 decades. 4. Finally my last point. Serbs did not ransack their own businesses such as in the case of the LA riots. The unorganized mobs actually managed to target strategic western interests including embassies of all countries that have recognized Kosovo as an in depended entity… And yes, Croatia was one of the first. After all and lets be honest. They still hold a hate for the Serbian people and its government. This goes back many moons my friend. Again, you would be wise to Google or wiki “ustasha” “Croatia” and “Nazi”. Hope this clarifies things.


John
said

Kosovo is not like Quebec.

Quebec has the right to self-determination, Kosovo does not as stipulated in article 1244 of the UN Resolution which realigns Serbia's territorial integrity. Put differently, unless a new resolution is reached, the partition of Serbia is illegal under international law. Knowing this, Kosovo will never be allowed to be a member of the UN.

This will give precedent to instability. Regions are already bent on self-determination since Kosovo has separated: the Basque region of Spain, the Serbian part of Bosnia (Republic of Srpska), the Croatian part of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Turkish part of Cypress, Chechnya, parts of Georgia.. etc. The list is endless.

The war in Kosovo is over, much the same as the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina is over. Looking at present statistics 100,000 people (both civilians and soldiers) were killed in Bosnia and Herzegovina. It was plunged through 4 years of bloody civil war (ethnic cleansing, genocide etc..). Presently, Bosnia and Herzegovina is one country with 2 entitities(a Bosniak-Croat Federation and the Republic of Srpska). Why doesn't the West look at Bosnia as an example? They were so vehemently opposed to the partition of Bosnia, but for Kosovo they do demand independence. Why the double-standard?


Richard S
said

I spent a decade in Former Yugoslavia in the 80’s. Former Yugoslav army was incapable of securing the border with Albania similar to Mexico US border today. Droves of illegal Albanian immigrants came to Kosovo running away from their communist dictator and made it their home. Answer to ROBT: Serbs have been “cleansed” from Kosovo over the last three decades. How shallow of you is to think that conditions there are similar to Canada where you can live wherever you want. My heart goes out to Serbian people, but like Tom Clark said yesterday they will emerge strong out of this mess.





Eric
said

It would be hard to find in todays world a nation that has suffered as much as Kosovars under Serbian colonization. THIS is the main reason that Kosovo is a special case, because Serbs and their ways of treating non-Serbs throughout their history is a well-documented fact, which has made all non-Serbs in the Balkans distance themselves from Serbs by proclaiming their independence as soon as they had a chance. Serbs are a "special" case people. One should read some of their bloody history to find out for example, why all the Balkan people have at least a story or a folk song that describes atrocities committed by Serbs since they exported themselves into peaceful Balkans and turned it into the hottest spot in Europe. As an example, one must mention Serbian soldiers and chetniks preferred "specialty" of killing pregnant women, cutting out the fetus and slicing it in pieces. Being politically correct by avoiding the truth, even if that means re-classifying populations into humane and in-humane (Serbs), should be avoided, especially when there is a much bigger issue at hand: the freedom of the peaceful native population, Kosovar nation.

Canada is way too late already in recognizing Kosovo as an independent state.


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