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Date: Wed. Feb. 20 2008 9:08 AM ET

Violent crime involving firearms has stayed stable for a fourth consecutive year, Statistics Canada reports.

Handguns accounted for about two-thirds of all violent gun crime in 2006, with police services reporting 8,100 victims of such crime, the agency said in its report released Wednesday.

Firearms account for 2.4 per cent of all victims of violence, it said.

However, clubs and other blunt objects accounted for three per cent, while knives account for another 6.2 per cent, it said.

While the overall rate is stable, there is a rise in the use of guns by young people, it said.

"The rate of youth aged 12 to 17 accused of a firearm-related offence has risen in three of the past four years, increasing 32 per cent since 2002," the report said.

Young people were mainly using them in robberies, it said.

Youths seem to be using guns more than adults.

"In 2006, 1,287 young people were accused of a violent offence in which a gun was used. They accounted for 2.8 per cent of all youth accused of violence; in contrast, 1.8 per cent of adults accused of a violent offence had used a firearm," the report said.

Guns a big-city problem

Gun-related violent crime primarily remains a big-city problem.

"Vancouver had the highest rate among all census metropolitan areas (CMAs), followed by Winnipeg and Toronto. Among youth, however, the rates of violence involving firearms were highest in Toronto and Saskatoon," it said.

The rates for the three worst cities are:

  • Vancouver: 45.3 violent gun-related offences per 100,000 population
  • Winnipeg: 43.9
  • Toronto: 40.4

The national average is 27.5 such offences per 100,000 population.

"Provincially, firearm-related violence was higher in the Western provinces than in the East, reflecting the trend in violent crime in general," it said.

Robberies and assaults accounted for about three-quarters of violent, gun-related victimizations, StatsCan said.

About one-third of attempted murders and homicides were carried out with a firearm. Handguns are the weapon of choice in gun-related homicides.

There were 190 gun-related homicides in Canada in 2006, down 33 from 2005.

Edmonton had the highest gun-related homicide rate, followed by Abbotsford, B.C., the leader the previous four years.

"Canada's 2006 firearm homicide rate was nearly six times lower than the United States," the report said.

"But it was about three times higher than the rate in Australia and six times higher than in England and Wales. The rate of non-firearm homicide was fairly similar in all four countries."

Violent gun crimes in Canada are treated more harshly by the courts, the study found.

"Adults convicted of a violent gun crime were sentenced, on average, to just over four years in prison, double the typical sentence length of those convicted of the same violent offence where a firearm had not been used."

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JPC
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It's interesting that guns play a minor role in violent crime yet your article highlights them the most...is this another example of the media continuing to promote unfounded public fear about firearms?


arthur
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A good reason to keep the gun registry. It is important to know the history of the guns youths are obtaining so we can stop it.


JDW
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The reason why our death rate from gun's is so low is because of our gun laws. Thank God that we are not like the paranoid neighbour to our south, JPC said that the media promotes an unfounded fear, well maybe we are just a little more intelligent up here. The death rate we have for the whole country down south would be for only one small city.


Daley
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DR. H
Maybe we should take the 2 plus billion dollars that the Libs have wasted on the gun registry and reinvest it in crime prevention.........or better yet the health or education systems.


Simon Stirling
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Unfortunately, all of you who think the gun registry has done anything to prevent crime you are sadly mistaken. The stats are telling us that if anything the registry has DONE NOTHING to reduce crime.

Nations with the most stringent gun control are also among the most violent. Look at the UK, NZ as prime examples.

Wake up people! Gun control = more crime.


leslie
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Guns & other violence will continue to grow in Canadian cities. We have ignored the problem like we do most times by blaming the United States for everything that happens here. As Canadians we did not take responsiblity for crimes committed on Canadians soil. Blame is very much a Canadian character. The violence we have will take alot of work & co-operation. Should we receive solutions from the United States lets be greatful for a change. As Canadians we can do more and we do a great job. We just become complacent assuming nothing happens to Canada. We need to wake up.


Socialism is killing us
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The Libs spendt $2 billion+ on a database that didn't work. Criminals for some reason didn't show up in the database. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.


Bill
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4 years for a violent gun crime, what is wrong with us why isn't that 10 years!!!!! They probably spend about a year in actual custody.


k
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Each city needs to do something about the crime in their city. I am sick and tired of all the gun regulations imposed on rural areas where we like to trap and hunt. I need to bring a briefcase outdoors just to have all my paperwork with me. The whole time your worried you might have forgotten one piece and you will end up a criminal. Our closest city is Thunder Bay and the weapon of choice is knives - I think the whole country should have to register and lock down these weapons and a have carrying permits.


dana - sparwood
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We need to stop the guns from entering from the USA. The Amercans have terrorist from afar to worry about and we have their gun toting terrorists crossing into our borders. The Americans are willing to tolerate gun related deaths each year that are equivalent to several 9/11 deaths...we don't have to.


Pat Dusablon
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Only law-abiding citizens register their guns. Criminals do not. They get their guns from the black market and no amount of laws and registrations will change that.

All the register has managed to do is waste a thoudsand times more taxpayer money than it was supposed to and has yet to prevent a single crime.


RPLech
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If knives and blunt objects are used in more violent crime, why is the focus of this article on firearms? More irrational fear-mongering? Keep the registry? How terribly misinformed some of you are. It was proven that over the decade and 2 billion dollars spent the registry has not prevented a single firearms-related offense. Not one. The problems of violence lie within society and not an engineered piece of steel that propels projectiles.


DW
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Arthur and all you other lower thinking liberals. You still have not gotten the point criminals do not register guns. They never have and never will.


Paul
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Anyone who actually thinks the gun registry has any impact on gun crime has a social agenda or is very ignorant. Do some reading!! If you argue that the registry is effective then you must also argue for a "club" registry and a knife registry, since just as many crimes are committed with those, what about an alcohol registry to stop drunk driving? It's the media that drives this gun fear that we have because fear sells. Most reporters don't have a clue about guns or the gun registry.


bennji
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"Nations with the most stringent gun control are also among the most violent. Look at the UK, NZ as prime examples.

Wake up people! Gun control = more crime."

Have you forgotten about our dear neighbours to the south?



Brian
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It's kind of hard to trace a gun thru the registry when the serial number is filed off. How do gun laws prevent crime if people are using the guns for already illegal purposes like robbery, rape and murder.


Wes
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The fact that among youth the prominent weapon of choice is a hand gun is alarming. People that use guns in the commission of a crime need to pay stiff penalties. After getting a "two for one" time credit for time served in pre-trial custody and mandatory parole after two thirds of a sentence; the criminal doesn't serve as much time as a four year sentence implies. At the end of the day we could double the amount of police on the streets, but if the justice system is a revolving door to a place that is focused on protecting the rights of the criminals (instead of victims, guards and society in general) then it wouldn't have a significant impact. People can say that the media or the government is fear mongering and if they do I would invite them to move to the Jane and Finch corridor in Toronto and after a few months see if they believe gun crime is a problem.


Matt
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JDW,
The reason our violent crime rates are so low is because Canadians are generally good law abiding citizens.

I'd say with the estimated 7-11 million guns in Canada 190 gun homicides shows that Canadians just aren't gun toting maniacs.

I agree 190 deaths is not acceptable, but many of these deaths are from illegal guns held by unlicensed people, many of whom already have criminal records.

The problem is limited number of criminals who want to kill, and they need to be stopped.


Big Mac
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The article says that handguns are the the gun of choice in violent crime not long guns (rifles, shotguns, etc). You've had to register handguns in Canada since the 1930's - the 2 billion dollar "gun registry" introduced registration for 'long guns'. The gun registry is an utter waste of money because 1) it is aimed at the registration of a type of gun that people generally do not use in violent crimes and 2)the people that take the time to register the guns are not the ones committing the crimes.

The gun crimes that everyone (including upstanding gun owners in Canada) want to get rid of are the ones that are being committed with handguns - and by handguns I mean handguns that were never, and will never, be registered in any registry. These are the handguns that are smuggled in from the US specifically so they can be used by criminals. If you really want to stop gun crime target the illegal guns coming in from the US. Leave the hunters and farmers alone.


canucklehead
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JDW - how do gun laws prevent those who BREAK THE LAW from committing crime with guns?

It's non-sensical. By definition a criminal is someone who knowingly and willingly breaks the law. Do our laws against murder prevent a higher rate of murder? How about drug use?


MKR
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The gun registry doesn't work because criminals don't register their weapons. The gun registry is full of weapons of law-abiding people thereby rendering it ineffective. More people are killed in Canada with knives, maybe we should register knives?


red river
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If you're going to ban guns, you might as well ban anything else that could be construed as a weapon. That includes the human hand which can assault and strangle. Tougher laws and better programs to get at the root causes of crime are needed.


TKF
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Unfortunately for all of you, the gun registry has only pin-pointed two firearms in Canada that were "LEGALLY" registered and used to committ murder. Both cases were the result of a stolen weapon!!! Registry does not stop all the illegal weapons from crossing the border. If everyone carried a gun don't you think most individuals would think twice before committing a hainous act?


brt
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I thought the whole purpose of the firearms registry was to dramatically and continuously reduce the criminal use of firearms. This was said many times by the advocates of the registry when this multi billion dollar boondoggle was being rammed through Parliament.


Ron
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I have to agree with Simon , The Gun Registry in Canada is nothing more then a money grab. Little has been done to stem the flow of guns being sold illegally in this country. We need to have stricter punishments and make changes to the criminal code in order to counter gun related violent crimes. Furthermore, parents who unknowingly and blindly allow their children to plug into to these extremely violet video games, need to realize its a root too.


PBW
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Simon Sterling has it wrong.

Gun crimes continue to occur in Canada because a) those who commit such crimes know they can get away with murder, either at the initial trial or on appeal; and b) because no government in Canada since the abolition of capital punishment has had the guts to fully enforce the laws.

With regard to a), consider the case of the Winnipeg man convicted of murder using a hand gun. He is appealing based on the claim that the judge did not take fully into account that he was in fact defending himself, since the man he killed, the store clerk, attacked him with a baseball bat. That he killed the clerk with a hand gun has gone by the wayside.

That the Manitoba Court of Appeal has agreed to hear the case speaks to b) above. For the last who knows how many years, the justice system has gradually been twisted to support criminals over the victims of crime, and governments both Provincial and National do nothing about it, witness the delay in passing the various crime bills passed by Commons and delayed in Senate. Witness the disgraceful happenings in Caledonia, ON, where the Rule of Law is conspicuous by its absence.

Should the Winnipeg murderer win his appeal, every citizen in this country would be justified in taking the law into their own hands, for the authorities, in whom such power is invested will not enforce the laws we have, let alone the laws the citizens of this country want.

The result would be anrchy, brought about by the actions and inactions of law makers and law adjudicators. The law enforcers are innocent, as they must do as their masters instruct.


Craig
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Arthur, what good has the LONG gun registry done?

It has prevented nothing. When a crime is committed, all the police can do is look up the list and see IF the gun was registered. Looking at the list does not stop a crime from happening. It doesn't stop a murder.

Also, given that criminals DON'T register their guns, it serves no purpose but giving the Liberals and their supporters a feel-good story.

As for handguns, there already is and always was a control method in place. There are mandatory waiting periods and back ground checks.


rem
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How many times must it be repeated: criminals will not register their illegal firearms. the gun registry puts undue burden on hunters and collectors as well as on the tax paying citizenry. It has not prevented a single murder, but it has cost gun owners considerable amounts of money and time.


Elias
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Economic conditions are the principle driver of crime, including gun crime. A strong economy which supports a diverse social safety net does more to lower gun crime than anything else. The gun registry is an important part of gun control, but it was never intended to be (nor was it ever advertised to be) a cure to gun crime. Half of all illegal guns on the street are stolen from "law abiding" gun owners, while the other half are smuggled in over the US boarder. If we want to decrease the supply of illegal guns we should ban all gun "collections" and search every vehicle coming into Canada for illegal guns.


Mike
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The only thing the gun registry does is waste tax payer's money. I have a rifle and I have to register it. In order to buy that rifle I had to obtain a possesion acquisition card, which is the real prevention. Can please tell me how registering my firearm prevents crime? I'm serious... someone please tell me.

The guns used for crimes in this country are handguns, which are purchased illegally. Registration of guns cannot stop the use of illegal guns.

Also, to those of you that do not know... handguns cannot be purchased with a normal PAL licence.


Dan
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For the real situation here, take a look at WHO is committing these crimes, not with what they are committing them with. Stop blaming the US and Guns, the real picture is clear.


Steve O'Neill
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Statistics are a laugh. Everyone knows violent crime is up. Just read your local papers. Economics 101 teaches a person how statistics can be manipulated. Bottom line is that gun crimes will continue to rise. Jailtime have to reflect the seriousness of the crime and the courts have to enforce the punishment.


Shawn
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Statistics Canada will show that on average, in Canada, 1400 people per year are killed to firearms. Of that, 85%, or roughly 1200, were killed due to self-inflicted injuries (suicide). That leaves the remaining 15% or 200 to have been killed through intentional misuse (murder) or negligence.

It was proven that when the FAC was introduced that the suicide rate remained unchanged, only the method changed.

It is also interesting to note that drunk drivers have killed a similar number of people per year but don’t seem to get the same attention.

This article seems to support the stats from over 10 years ago.

I want to make it clear that I believe that any death caused by a firearm is one too many and that person should be held accountable for what they do.

Lets also look at who is doing the killing. It is not hunter in the woods, it seems to be more domestic situations or gang related incidents. Registration of all firearms as not protected anyone. The guns that are typically being used are restricted or prohibited which were required to be registered prior to the long gun registry anyway. Unless the gun came up through the US illegally, then it wouldn’t be registered here anyway.

The billion(s) that have been wasted on the registry could have gone to the CSBA or police to provide them with better training, equipment and officers to remove the guns from the streets.

For anyone who really thinks that the guns laws dramatically changed with the introduction of the long gun registry, research it and you will find for the most part, the old laws were re-worded enough to make you think it is better. It is easier to obtain a PAL now then it was to get an FAC then.



ME
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Keep the gun registry--what hogwash. The guns registered are owned by law abiding citizens. There may be the odd one used in a crime, but mostly the guns used in crimes are NOT registered and are gotten illegally. What the registry does is waste taxpayers money and make law abiding citizens who happen to own guns pay through the nose to register them. If you happen to inherit some hunting rifles you pay again. The gun registry does not lower the crime rate. This article says it has not gone down in 4 years , but in fact youth crime with firearms has risen. The gun registry was stupid when it started and is still stupid. I wonder what things would be like if they had put all that wasted money into policing.


mike
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Gun registry is a waste of tax payers money. In order to buy a pistol you have to take a restricted PAL course. I dont think criminals tell there buddies "hey lets get our fireamrs license, so we can buy guns to rob a 7-11. Most of these guns are smuggled over the border or by boat.


Jim
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Registering any firearm is an utter waste of money. We need serious penalties for gun crimes, something on the order of Florida's 10-20-Life system (google it).

If anybody wants to know the real reason we have a universal registry, follow the link.

http://www.lowe.ca/Rick/FirearmsLegislation/AGangThatCouldn'tShootStraight.html


Rod E.
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Arthur: given that according to a recent study by the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team, a Canadian law enforcement group, 97% of firearms used in crime are smuggled into the country, and are never registered, what good does the registry serve in terms of tracking guns to their owners?

None whatsoever. The registry is a ghastly waste of resources that could be better spent on projects that will have an actualy chance of saving some lives, as opposed to just tracking a miniscule fraction of recovered crime guns after the fact.


Dean
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I wonder how many people register their weapons and then go commit a crime with them. Unless there are real penalties for gun crimes, or for any crime, they will continue. Why focus on only guns? What about knives?


Shawn
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To PBW

While I am not aware of the Winnipeg case you have referred to, under law, if the clerk approached the defendant with the bat before the gun was shown, then the defendant has every right to defend himself if he believes that he will experience serious bodily harm or his life is in jeopardy. If it is the other way around then the clerk has every right to defend himself.

This is the same system that police use to justify using lethal force. That is why some officers are not charged when others think they should be, but that is another topic.

The same applies to everyone if some breaks into your house. If they guy comes in to your home and is taking your stuff (no weapon) and you simply shot him, you are guilty of murder.

I think this law needs some revision. If you commit a crime, especially when you bring a gun in to play, the victims should have every right to defend themselves to the fullest. If this were true maybe other crimes would go down. In Texas when concealed weapon permits were issued, the muggings dropped to almost nothing on the first day.



Enwright
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I vote conservative but, the party that one day tries to ban guns completly and put anyone found with one in jail for life, would get my vote. Think of the good of the whole not the individual.


JNG
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Registering guns helps to prevent gun crime like registering vehicles helps to prevent people from driving while impaired - it doesn't! Handguns have been registered since the 1930's and that has not stopped gang bangers from obtaining them. The only thing gun control laws do is make it more difficult for people who always follow the law to obtain guns. We are not worried about those people.


Jim
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Since a few posters are demonizing the USA, it should be pointed out that 40 US states now issue permits for concealed carry of a handgun for personal protection, and in those states violent confrontaional crime has dropped.

Why? Because criminals are cowards.

An interseting link regarding Right to Carry...

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18


Devon K.
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If any thing is clear from this story it comes from the following line:

"The rate of youth aged 12 to 17 accused of a firearm-related offence has risen in three of the past four years, increasing 32 per cent since 2002," the report said.

We've had this gun registry for years and it seems to have no effect on youths getting and using guns. In fact, the article suggests that the registry hasn't had any impact at all.

Maybe the article shows us the real problem:

"Adults convicted of a violent gun crime were sentenced, on average, to just over four years in prison, double the typical sentence length of those convicted of the same violent offence where a firearm had not been used."

The article flatly tells us that if you use a gun you'll get on average 4 years in jail and that's double what you'd get for not using a gun. So if you're beaten with a frying pan you'll average 2 years. The problem isn't guns and this national gun registry is powerless with other devices or tools of murder. The real problem is that if your the victim of a violent crime the criminal is going to get on average 2-4 years in jail.

That's the problem. There's no substantive penalty or deterrant to violent crime in this country.


David fm NS
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I support the strict controls imposed in Canada on restricted weapons such as handguns, automatic weapons, sawed off shotguns etc. This part of the Firearms Act makes sense. The long gun registry is a huge waste of resources and does nothing to prevent crime, it creates crime.


Rod
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Gun Control + crime = more violent crime.
Criminals don’t care about the laws. That’s why they are criminals. Law abiding peaceful people are victims because; it’s legal to be a victim, it’s illegal to protect yourself from these Criminals. Liberalism at its best, try to make people dependent on government, so that they have no means to control of protect their own lives.
Is there any common since or reasonable thought left in this country?
NO that is why we will be a police/ nanny state!



JJPL
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Wow, we need to look to our cousins across the pond to realize that gun control doesn't have any real effect on gun related crimes. Frankly, the two billion dollars wasted on the long arm registry could have been put to much better use.


Lart from Above
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The gun registry is working by tracking guns before they are stolen by or sold to criminals. It is consulted thousands of times a week by police across the country, preventing countless crimes through these investigations. The US has three or four times as many guns per capita as Canada, resulting in a violent crime rate about four times higher than Canada. The same correlation can be seen in many countries. It's time for the Conservatives to stop talking about what the justice system might do after crimes are committed and start talking about how to deal with the causes of crime.


Paul Morin
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When are people going to learn that these clubs and knives are for only one thing: clubbing and cutting!!! Lets ban these things now for the children. Give me a break. Gun bans do nothing and the gun registry is useless. Canada doesn't have a gun problem, it has a big city crime problem. Deal with that and leave us legal gun owners alone.


Nickorette
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City in Ontario with the highest number of registered firearms per capita, and the lowest number of firearms offences per capita? Orillia

City in Ontario with the highest number of firearms offences per capita, and the lowest number of registered firearms per capita? Toronto

That all all the proof you need to realise that the registry is a complete waste of money.

And don't even talk about banning anything. In the UK, since they've banned handguns, handgun crime has rised THREE TIMES!!!!! In switerland it is required by the government that all men of military age, shall have a full automatic/selective fire firearm in their home issued by the government. and guess what.. their firearms crime is lower than the States.

This whole article is moot anyways, since more people have been stabbed/clubbed than shot in 2006. I don't know what the hystaria is, but if it was up to me, I'd much rather be shot than stabbed to death.


leslie
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It seem people doubt gun-registry doesn't prove anything. It does prove whether or not the gun was stolen, smuggled or purchased, like your vehicle. Registry is important and continue. Crime in our neighbours is growing and that is the "secular society" saying YES to everything and NO to values. Parents purchase violent video games. We have marketing & commericals that teach cheating. We have reality shows with girls fighting. Yes we have it all. No one person has the answers and nobody will solve this problem quickly.

Violence is part of life. War is all over the world. Street wars & violence will increase.

Not sure myself. I do know that the Police needs better support from government at all levels.


eskiefan
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PBW expressed my frustration with the current attitude toward crime. Canada is soft on crime and strong on protecting perpetrators' rights. That has to be reversed. The Senate better get moving on that crime bill asap. I also agree with those who say resources should not go into a billion dollar bureaucratic registry scheme, but directly to law enforcement for fighting gangs and the illegal entry of guns.


Jim
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Lart said:
"The gun registry is working by tracking guns before they are stolen by or sold to criminals. It is consulted thousands of times a week by police across the country, preventing countless crimes through these investigations."

How does it work by tracking guns before they are stolen? Are the police now issued crystal balls? This makes no sense whatsoever!

As to the hits to the registry's database, it has been shown that the vast majority of these are automatic queries whenever the the CPIC system is consulted, even in something as simple as a triffic stop. I doubt many front line officers consult the registry directly...only a fool or a rookie would trust their life to its information.

I defy you to come up with one example of these so called preemptive investigations you claim are preventing countless crimes.

Just count me ONE!

Absolute gun control hogwash!


Trent
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"Controls" of any type are successful at regulating only one group of people, the lawful person.

Drug prohibition, drinking age limits, gun control... . We all know that there are no drugs in Canada, that minors don't drink and that we don't have any gun crimes.

Our everyday laws for crimes such as theft, assault and murder do not stop criminals. Why do we think another lower level "control" law would make a difference.

We waste so much money trying to control things instead of focusing on the real problem, the criminal.

It's interesting, this article states that "...clubs and other blunt objects accounted for three per cent, while knives account for another 6.2 per cent..." of all weapons used yet this forum has turned into a gun control debate.

Perhaps it would be better to focus more on these objects and less on guns because it is 4 times more likely to stabbed or bludgeoned than shot.

Of course, to a baseball bat of knife owner it would be absured that they turn in their "weapon" because they would never use it to hurt anyone.

This is exactly how a normal gun owner feels.


Mel from DC
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The comments below are far more interesting and enlightening than the article itself. It is very evident from the language used that this is a very emotional subject for those commenting. I believe that it is up to our elected leaders, and not the appointed judges, to make the call on this one. The argument that the billions spent on a long-gun registry could have been much better deployed on prevention measures, including better educational opportunities for the youth, who now find themselves holding weapon that's pointed at a store clerk they may have gone to school with, trying to make some quick money. How sad. Who is the victim? The lines start to get a little fuzzy when the stats becom real people. I, for one, believe that, violent crime, like many other violent statistics we hear about, are more symptoms of an ailing society, than they are the ailment itself. It will take government with a backbone, of either stripe, to put measures in place to see these symptoms reduced. This may mean that some of the fevered rhetoric that comes from so many bleeding hearts in our society may need to ignored so that cooler heads may be making the decisions required, instead an emotional knee-jerk reaction to a traumatic event.


Mike - North Western Ontario
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Enwright:

Are you saying that just to cause a stir? You can't be serious. Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to hunt deer and moose?

You must live in the borders of a city and never leave those borders. Try visiting rural Canada once and a while. Why should rural Canada pay for the crimes in cities?


Spencer
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I registered my rifle as required at the inception of the registry. When the renewal came in the mail requesting $60, I saw that for the same cost I could upgrade to a restricted permit. I read the book and challenged the test. Recieved 98% on the test, the only mistake was a question on whether or not the course taught anything on cleaning a gun. I thought it must, as it is several hours long....WRONG. The test is so easy, I have never held a handgun before the test.
The 12 to 17 year olds are not old enough to buy beer, but they can get their hands on an illegal handgun.
It looks to me that the purpose of the registry is to generate paperwork and collect licence fees.
The 12 to 17 year olds are still young offenders, another brilliant move from goverment.
Your tax dollars at work


JD in Alberta
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Let's face facts. What does the gun registry do?
-Jon Doe owns a gun.
-This is his address, and type of gun he owns.

Tell me how that protects anyone?

-Then his house is robbed and the gun is taken, he files a report with the police.
-A year later the gun is used in a robbery and someone is shot, and the gun is left at the crime. Then what?

All the registry tells you is that John Doe owned a gun and it was stolen. That's it. Again how does this help?

Does the registry show a record of all the illegal guns smuggled in from another country? Or better yet did the criminals that have the illegal guns register it?
The only way to remedy this is stiffer penalties for crime where any weapon is used, And get rid of the young offenders act. Send them to prison for 20 years with no parole. who cares if they're 13 or 30. They don't care about the life they may take while committing a crime.


Paulinski
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I find it interesting the the picture besides the article depicts image of a firearm. Looking at the statistics it should be a picture of a club or a blunt object that is nearly triple more than firearms.

Supporting registry and believing it reduces crime is a testament to how many people are looking at the world through rose colored glasses.




Maxx
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No matter what any government does, people will be murdered, assulted, etc. Being human is to blame. If there were no such thing as firearms in Canada, people would be sticking eachother with knives since you can conceal them so easily. Nothing will change what humans do to eachother. Quit blaming the government, guns, or others; it's us to blame for our actions.


Dawn
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The biggest issue with this country is touched on in this article - and that is the lax penalties that we give to the youth. A slap on the wrist will not deter a youth from commiting these crimes - they don't care, and they are not scared anymore because they know that nothing serious will happen to them regardless of how heinus of a crime they commit. We need to get tougher with our youth - hold them accountable for their actions and start handing out adult punishments to them.


Lisa
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Wow. Blunt objects and knives account for more violent crimes than guns!! I never knew that. Why aren't we banning baseball bats and knives if we are trying to ban guns
I was interested in these quotes so i looked up a little more. I see that the raeson for calling for an outright ban on handguns is that a lot of handguns used in crimes are stolen from registered gunowners.
According to the Stats I saw published from Toronto it says that only 4% of guns recovered from crimes were ever owned by registered gunowners.
So 96% of the guns are coming from somewhere else?
Where are they coming from?
USA. Why is so much money being wasted on these registries and bans, when 96% of gun related crimes won't be affected by them?


Mike
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Banning guns to stop gun crime!
Ban pencils to stop spelling mistakes!

It is a poor thought out plan that doesn't touch on the problem at all.
Oh yeah, and it costs Billions.


ScottS
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Just look at the UK, and Australia to see how much their gun bans did for anyone. Home invasions and gun crime have gone through the roof. I don't think anyone has a clue on the left, just how much a gun ban would cost Canadian Taxpayers, but it would certainly be in the mega-billion $$ price range, as you just can't take people's property, but must pay for it. UK is now falling apart at the hands of the leftist sissy types. The entire Canadian registry is a complete waste of money. Do these gun hating people not realize that Canadians now have to license themselves through training and tests, background checks etc. What the heck is the registry going to accomplish after this is done? The registry could not even return stolen guns to rightful owners as they have proven in the past. As for some real truth, Vermont USA has carry permits for people, as do many other states, and they have the lowest firearms crime rate in the US. Criminals think twice when they know the other guy may be armed. I'm in full support of our laws being changed so a citizen actually has the right to protect himself, on the street, but especially in his own home. What kind of a person, in their right mind, wishes not the right to protect themselves, if they so wish? I guess a police state is what they want, where we are all just little mushrooms with no rights. We are supposed to respect each other these days, no matter what religion, race, sexual orientation etc. So, how is it, that these leftist types don't respect me for my beliefs? I believe in being able to protect myself and my family, enjoy my sport etc. Simple, it is called Liberal Fascism, and is what the leftists are trying to accomplish by controlling everybody.


my take on this
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If you are a law abiding citizen, what is the problem with registering your weapons?


JessD
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Despite a 10 year-old handgun ban, gun crime in the UK (according to official Home Office statistics) has more than doubled since the law was introduced. Gun crime in the city of Manchester has become so rampant that the British media now refer to it as “Gunchester”. Manchester now ranks as one of the most violent cities in Western Europe.

While the number of fatal shootings and stabbings amongst teenagers in the UK has reached epidemic levels, Labour Party politicians have been left scrambling for some fairly desperate solutions given that there are no more handguns to ban. Just recently in what appears to be a final attempt to address rising criticism from the media and public the Labour government announced further gun restrictions banning the sale of replica and deactivated firearms, despite evidence that out of the 10,198 reported firearms incidents last year that only 4 replicas had been used. The absurdity of this latest rule was highlighted the other week when the BBC reported that a childrens' pantomime production was forced to register its toy stage gun, and four swords with local police, even though the gun only produces a flag with the word bang on it, and the swords were made of plastic. All of this news comes on the announcement that the Labour government will be installing hundreds of metal detectors at schools across the UK to deter gun and knife crime.

Politicians looking to ban handguns from competitive shooters in this country are burying their heads in the sand, and are merely politicking to score cheap points with voters, if they think that such legislation will have an impact on gun crime. The UK's experience clearly debunks the notion that confiscating guns from legally licensed gun owners will reduce gun crime. In fact, it can be argued that no correlation exists between the availability of guns and gun crime; both Norway and Switzerland have some of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, and yet have some of the lowest rates of gun crime.

The problem of violence we face today has nothing to do with the availability of guns but what we have allowed society to become. Our politicians aren't prepared to tackle this problem for fear of contravening the codes of political correctness. In short, gun owners and their guns are easier to vilify. Furthermore, despite the fact that Toronto’s first murder of the year was committed with a knife, there have been no calls since to ban knives.

It would be extremely naive of our politicians to embark on further draconian gun control measures that fly in the face of reason without looking first to the experiences that other countries like the UK have encountered. According to a recent article in the UK's Independent newspaper just under 1000 people were shot in the UK in 2007. Given this vast number it doesn't look like their gun ban has worked.




Matt
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Taking away legally owned property (handguns) from hundreds of thousands of Canadians in order to prevent crime committed by criminals using illegally owned "property". It just seems bizarre that anyone could form a logical connection between the two issues.


JPC
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Actually, it's not Americans who are paranoid about guns, it's the so-called 'liberal' Canadians who fear them without any rational basis whatsoever...then waste billions of tax-payers' dollars in the process...


Jody Waring
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As far as the rate of gun violence here being higher than the UK, recently I read a newspaper article from the UK and it stated gun crime was out of control there, and Manchester sadly has been nicknamed "Gunchester." It also went on to state that that region is becoming one of the most violent in Europe. There are methods of controling the guns,(handguns are already highly controlled and regualted in Canada)and working to prevent gun crimes,but the idea of banning handguns for example isn't it. Get the guns out of the criminals hands, not the law abiding Canadian citizen.Crime prevention,education,and deserving punishment are the areas we should be focusing on.


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