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Date: Fri. Feb. 15 2008 11:06 PM ET

Quebec's language laws have brewed up another controversy in the province. An Irish pub in Montreal is facing a $1,500 fine if it does not remove some antique signs used as decorations inside the watering hole.

The owners of McKibbin's Irish Pub say the Office de la langue francaise (OLF) has told them that several signs inside their pub are illegal because they don't abide by the language laws. The pub, like other Irish bars across North America, has vintage ads splattered on its walls. They don't actually advertise anything the bar sells, but instead just give the bar a wee bit of Irish flavour.

Regardless, a couple of bar patrons complained to the province's language watchdog. Apparently, some outside menus and some of the decorative posters are only in English, so now the OLF wants the bar to include French translations.

Dean Laderoute, a co-owner of the bar, said he and some of his customers are wondering what officials from Quebec's language police are drinking. Why would anyone come to an Irish pub and have French signs everywhere, he asks.

"It's laughable. It's a laughable issue and that's why it's generating so much buzz. It's gotten to the point of, 'where do they go next,'" Laderoute told CTV Montreal.

Even some of the bar's French customers agree. But they note that everyone has to make an effort at accommodation. One Francophone customer told CTV News that at some restaurants, it's not always possible to order in French.

McKibbin's owners say that the warning that they get in line with Quebec's language laws or face hefty fines isn't very clear. Apparently, some of the posters may be legal, while others aren't.

"If they tell us, by writing, these signs have an historical value, and for that reason we want the signs to be exempt from the charter, if he does that, we will close the file," OLF spokesperson Gerald Paquette told CTV News.

But the owners of the bar have issued a sober invitation to the province's premier. They want Jean Charest to come by for a drink and point out specifically which signs they should pull down and which ones pass the OLF test.

The language watchdog office appears to be under attack from all sides these days.

French-language groups have been demanding that it crack down on Montreal businesses serving customers in English.

It has also been accused of hiding reports that show the French language losing ground in the province.

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Geoffrey Holdsworth
said

Didn't I hear somewhere, long time ago, that the Quebec language laws were deemed unconstitutional, against a World Court ruling or a violation of some United Nations resolution? Maybe I was dreaming or perhaps these alleged protestations were only communicated in Pubirish or Pigenglish


L Price
said

ok thingS are getting a "wee bit" out of control! while i understand that yes, the menus should be in both languages (i live in moncton, new brunswick, the only OFFICIAL billingual province in the country!) however, the decorations used inside, as long as they are not advertisements for products sold in the establishement, should be at the owners discretion. i am irish, and i am fully billingual (2nd language), however, I AS AN IRISH PERSON would be offended if i saw authentic, or even non-authentic irish decorations in french IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD because it has NOTHING TO DO WITH IRISH CULTURE! does that mean i can start a "wee office of official irish language/decor" and go to irish pubs and communities that are predominitely irish and start nit-picking as to the use of proper decor ? no it doesn't! and you want to know why? BECAUSE WE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO WITH OUR TIME!


adam s ottawa
said

Dear God.. Is this Canada or Stalinist Russia?
It is time for those in power to peer beyond the tips of their noses and acknowledge the fact that the big picture does include Quebec, but not exclusively.
Grow up people... its a big world out there.


Anna
said

You have got to be kidding! Where does this insanity stop? Does Quebec want to drive everybody out except those they consider 'pure' French? Years ago there was a story of a bakery owner who had the word 'Welcome' written in 22 different languages on his store window (yes, including French). He was told he had to remove all of them except the one in French. His comment was that he had 'Welcome' in 22 languages so that anybody coming in, no matter where they were from, would feel welcome.

Perhaps the language police could use a little help in translating the meaning behind the word 'Bienvenue' and stop all this nonense that is making anybody who is not French feel as unwelcome as a porcupine in a nudist camp.


Rocky
said

Bill 178. Everyone say thanks to the Quebec Liberals for making it law in the late 80's...


Drew
said

Is this a sign from God?

Couldn't be, the sign wasn't in French!


Norah James Gigučre
said

There are other quebecers that have establishments using other languages other than French, maybe your pub could put some of your signs in Gaelic, an official Irish language. Would they still have something to complain about? Surely there are more important things that need attention here in Quebec.


Julius
said

I think we need to end this ridiculous argument once and for all and officially remove bilingualism from Canada. The language laws in Quebec are draconian and infinitely stupid, and it's a shame that English speaking people have to be subject to discrimination and harassment from bitter French citizens simply because Pierre Trudeau one day decided that Canada should be bilingual simply to appease the French in this country.


John Meron Ontario
said

How do you say.. A tod nivver sped better nor whan he gaed his ain errand: (Every man is most zealous when working for his own interest) in French?


andy
said

Quebec needs a reality check. The OLF might as well be saying "if you dont have blonde hair and blue eyes you'll be locked up indefinitely." That definitely wouldnt be tolerated, so why is not letting owners have signs in english. Yeah, the other official language of this country.


The federal government should really address this issue. The OLF will just keep pushing the envelope til it gets out of hand.


Fred
said

The real problem here is the "Notwithstanding" clause in the constitution.
When a right can be waived, it is no longer a right.
As far as I know, Quebec is the only province to use this clause, ironic considering they never signed the constitution.



Deke
said

I truly respect French speaking Canadians and proud that I live in a country that celebrates multiculturalism and freedom of speech. But! Quebec does not get it, let people choose and enjoy a second or third language, having it force fed to you ruins the taste.


Jason B
said

Canada is a country with a multi-cultural heritage. While Quebec is 90% French-speaking, there is a minority of non-Francophone residents. Their rights, and culture are no more or less valuable than those of white, Francophone Catholics.

And, it IS an IRISH pub. People go there to enjoy the unique, Irish atmosphere. So, that there are uni-lingual decorative and antique signs should be of no surprise.

The OLF should be shut down. It's time for the government of Quebec to respect other cultures, and let people live their lives freely.


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