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Date: Thu. Feb. 14 2008 10:18 PM ET

The Conservative government expects that it will be defeated over the budget in early March, which means Canadians could go to the polls by early April.

The government has apparently intensified its election readiness, believing it may fall during a non-confidence vote on March 4, the day of the Liberal amendment to the Tory budget. That could set an election date for as early as April 7.

Sources told CTV News that Liberal Leader Stephane Dion has told party members he is ready to pull the election trigger over the budget bill, even though some Liberals are against the idea.

"All the senior people, including the people who run the campaign ... they don't want an election right now. They do not want an election because they do not believe the party is ready to go into an election," Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live.

He said that the Conservatives have reacted by getting their election headquarters "up and running. They're getting their planes booked. The campaign workers have been told to get ready for an election campaign."

Fife noted, however, that the divisions over calling an election call run deep in the Liberal Party. He said senior Liberals such as Ralph Goodale, Michael Ignatieff, and Bob Rae don't want an election right now.

"One senior member of parliament said to me, either we're going to get (Dion) to change his mind or maybe we're going to have to push him off the ledge," Fife said.

On Thursday, Dion wouldn't say if he has made up his mind about forcing an election.

"I want to say to the Canadian people -- I always say the same in public and in private -- two things,'' Dion said.

"The first thing is that we will choose our time. The second thing is that we need to be ready at any time."

There are reports that Dion wants to hold a private meeting with his caucus once the budget is tabled later this month.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Paul B.C.
said

Oh well, I guess the Conservatives will either be in the same spot or a majority. At least the Liberals finally showed their colors. The Conservatives will win in an election, and the Liberals will be stuck with the reality that Canadians no longer support their draconian ways.


DCR
said

Now is the time. Let's get this settled now and watch the Conservatives walk all over the Liberals. Majority time! A minority gov't does not give a clear direction of where a country will go. I for one, will be following the Conservatives path. Just as I think most Canadians will. One thing for sure, is that you have to respect Harper...you know where he stands. Dion is flopping around like a fish out of water.


Dale
said

That's all we need. Waste a bunch of money on an election and probably still end up with a minority gov't.

Den
said

Brilliant... Whatever happened to minority governments that tried to actually compromise. The 2 main parties are only interested in A) Attaining power, or B) Keeping power. Fixed election dates are a sure fire way to have continuous, non-stop election campaigns, ESPECIALLY in minority situations, and it's clearly being demonstrated by the current government. They're planning elections, not Canada's future. I say bring on the election.


Denis P
said

I would not at all be surprised if Dion didn't listen to reason, and pulled the plug. Dion, as Liberal leader, has done nothing that makes any sense, so, you can just add this to the list.
Conservative majority coming up.


Dan in Edmonton
said

We heard this last fall too. The Tories have been in election "readiness" for over a year now. Harper's itching for an election and will likely get one over either Afghanistan or the budget. Does anyone sense there will be a majority government next time out? So, the reason we're set to go to the polls is ???


Kevino
said

LOL, defeating a budget that hasn't even been presented yet.

Funny, even Dion's people are telling him this isn't a good idea.


gerry
said

I think it is time to settle this petty bickering about who has the biggest stick in this thing we call politics. Whoever loses this time should just shut up and let the elected, even if by minority, run the country for the legal four year term. If they screw it up, you will get your chance to fix it next.


hk
said

News flash. The Liberal party has just put in a call to Dr. Phill. Their party leader requires some serious help as he has totally lost. Now Dion is talking tough about defeating the government on the budget. He won’t take any good advice from very well and knowledgeable party members and Bob Rae to NOT do this. While they are talking to Dr. Phill they might want to see if he can also get Iggy on his show. Poor Iggy has been around crap so long that he is now starting to look and smell like crap himself. When you listen to the spin they have put on Afghanistan mission you really wonder if they think that Canadian people are really stupid. They are now starting to attack the mentality of the people who elected them. To think that they can get people to believe that they did not do a complete turn around on Afghanistan issue is just mind boggling. Most people do have a memory span of more then 2 days. It’s a good thing that Dion is not in the military. This country could not afford all the bullets he’s been firing in his own foot.
I do not like the Liberals but did respect Iggy who was one of the shining lights in their party. He just blew out that light by his “we said, they said” remarks in question period on Feb. 13. To think that people would miss the little tidbit of “2009 being replaced by 2011” and “ending combat but we will let the military decide what is best” is totally apprehensible. The people of Canada deserve and expect better leadership then this by a party leader and deputy leader. How pathetic they are.



penny
said

Plain and simple.It's about time that we went to an election.


Brian C
said

Can't bother to vote, then decide which way to vote before the budget is presented. I can't understand how any Canadian could honestly trust these guys with their vote.


Webstir
said

We can only hope for an election.

Dion is nothing more than an obstructionist
and if I were the Prime Minister I would be sick and tired of Dion.

An opposition is one thing an obstructionist is another and Dion is not the only one.

Layton and the separatists are just as bad and none, none have a clue how to lead.

I do not want the version of Canada the liberals, socialists and separatists have to offer.

So GO HARPER with God speed !


Janice
said

Good! And I pray there will be a majority-either way-I do not care! I am sick to death of the constant stupidity and bickering. If these were my "kids" I would be booting them all out of the house. They should all learn how to be adults.


VRoti
said

Dion being elected leader of the Liberal Party reminds me of Bob Rae's NDP being elected in Ontario years ago. Mind boggling! The Conservatives have done more good in the last 2 years than I have seen in the last 2 decades. Yet, power hungry Dion wants to disregard the Conservative record (especially the fiscal one) and force an election instead of making an attempt to make parliament work! Unbelievable!


Annette
said

If the Liberals want an election so bad, then I hope the Conservative get a majority so they can run the country the way it should be run. Dion has been itching to call an election after his win as the party leader.


Mark
said

You know, it is staggering what some people will do. If an election results due to the Liberals defeating the government over the budget Stephane Dion is:

a: A moron -- none of the senior Liberals want an election now.
b: Pig-headed and doesn't listen to the advice of smart people around him (what has been the result of such things in the past? Hint-Paul Martin's quest for power, an invasion of Iraq by someone else who doesn't listen).
c: Totally out to lunch. The Liberals are in financial straits, are not organized, have no coherent policy, do not differ from the Conservatives on any real meaningful policy and it was the LIBERALS who put us in Afghanistan.
d: all of the above.

If Dion creates an election now when none is needed, he will be out the door, another minority government will likely be the case-so what is all of this posturing and righteous indignation on the part of the Liberals to accomplish?

Maybe Dion has "Obama envy"



Stephen Green
said

Let us get on with it. I am tired of the Liberal blockades and delays. I am tired of NDP Jack Layton and his parties silliness; I am tired of the BLOC who should not ber in the Parliament of Canada.

It is clear that a minority government simply does not work well which in turn means that Proportional Representation would not work neither.

Time for a Majority Conservative government under the Conservatives who seem to have a clear vision for Canada.


hollinm
said

Once again Dion shows he is not ready for prime time. The latest poll shows the party at 32% and his leadership numbers at the bottom of the barrel. He honestly believes he can outcampaign Harper in an election with his electrifying personality which will cause people to vote Liberal. He must be drinking that Liberal kool-aid again. He could face a caucus rebellion but Dion is determined to show that he is the boss and it is only his opinion that counts.
Harper will decimate Dion in an election. With 3 or 4 parties attacking Dion, his weak leadership and his spend thrift policies he will collapse like a house of cards.


raj
said

Dion will dither once again. Other than the die hard Liberals out there, who would vote for a post if it were running. The writing is on the wall for another minority government for Harper.


hollinm
said

This is what you get when you have a couple of university professors pretending they are politicians.
If the Liberal party is in this much disarray publicly you can imagine what it is really like behind the scenes.
It's time for the people to decide on whether they want decisive, no nonsense leadership from Harper or the leadership of a dithering, milquetoast university professor who has the political instincts of a gnat.


regor, Hamilton
said

Let me see........vowing to vote against a budget, any budget even though you don't know what it contains. Sure sounds like someone who is only interested in winning power for himself and not thinking for one second for the Country.
Bring on a majority for Mr. Harper. The sooner the better to get rid of the bumbling Dion. We're all getting tired of listening to him on the MSM.


Sonny
said

The Conservatives will be to blame for the Election given that they won't be helping improve the Economy in a meaningful way while it continues to slow.


Jim
said

Polls be damned, I think the general mood of most Canadians after watching the Liberals in action (inaction?)is to give Mr Harper his majority. Many Libs I know are disgusted with their own party and either will not vote or will swing their vote to one of the other left parties.

I think the Liberals are in for a defeat of epic proportions.

I am not looking forward to the possibility of Jack Layton being the leader of the opposition.


M Chiu
said

My wife and I will be happy to see an election. With a minority government, it is difficult if not impossible to govern. We heard what Mr Day said this Tuesday in Aurora. Let's hope there will be a majority PC government this time.

Any opposition party is supposed to check on the government, not to oppose the government for the sake of opposing. How can anyone oppose to something which nobody has any details on?


Sandi in Ottawa
said

I think we should go to an election. I highly doubt it will happen though, and if it does happen, Dion will be out of a job.


wes
said

Ya! It's time for an election. Dion will be fighting an uphill battle. He is a little dull an uninspiring.
Harper wants to go befoere the recession really kicks in and drives his popularity further down. Watch the NDP they seem to be in a unique position to pick up a bunch of seats. They have more credibility than the Liberals and have an interesting stance on the war, which will swing the lefties away from the Liberals.


Dave
said

The Conservative and Liberal poll numbers have been stagnant since the last election, I really doubt a Conservative majority or Liberal minority will form. Although I have a feeling the budget may be packed with a ridiculous amount of goodies since it won't pass anyways


Derek
said

Canadian voters are smart enough to realize Harper has forced this election. Time to send Harper packing, he has done enough damage.


Sandra
said

I will be voting Conservative.

At this point, here in Quebec, they are the only feasible alternative to the Liberal Party.

It would be very refreshing to receive mailings from an upbeat, positive Conservative Member of Parliament, rather than caustic, federal-bashing Bloc hate literature.

Quebec needs to have real representation in Parliament. The reality is that the Liberal sponsorship scandal is still too recent for disenchanted Bloc voters to go. So that leaves the Conservatives and quite frankly, Quebecers have warmed up to Mr. Harper quite nicely!





NL
said

It took this long to clean up after the last Liberal government. Dion is gambling that he has said enough unhelpful, negative things that Canadians will want another one?


elizabeth
said

I thought it was Harper's idea to have fixed election dates like we have in BC so these bimbos in Ottawa can't play bipartisan games.

Harper wants an election because the economy is going to be in serious trouble next year, the Cons have spent more $$$ than any govt and they have minority status which they could lose next year since they are neck and neck with the liberals. The 3 byelections coming up are sure Liberal wins. It's all A BIG GAME! who needs an expensive election!


dc
said

Seldom does a senior government, (provincial or federal) tempt the voters to throw them out. They usually cling to power, even if by their fingernails. Not since WAC Bennett in BC have they regularly gone to the polls after three years.

Stephen Harper obviously has confidence in his record and to be willing to put it to the test of the electorate should tell Canada something.


Allan Eizinas
said

We do not need an election!

If the Conservatives do force an election that nobody wants then there will be another minority Conservative government. That would mean that there would be a Conservative leadership review and Harper would be gone. That would also mean that there would be a Liberal leadership election and Dion would be gone. If the NDP did not gain seats then there would be an NDP leadership review and Layton would be gone.

On second thought;

We do need an election!



jon binnie
said

Hello Majority! The Liberals don't have a chance. They have become a pathetic political party. Even if they weren't pathetic, the Conservatives have done a splendid job so far!


David
said

If the Liberals had a strong leader then they would be in majority territory right now. Canadians don't trust Harper and just need a good excuse to vote against him. Right now they don't have one.


K S
said

Wouldn't it be April 14 if it fell on March 4? Even if the GG issued the writ that day, making March 4th "day 1" of the campaign, would April 7th be Day 35 (with 36 days being the minimum for a Federal campaign)


marie
said

The Alliance Party has been in election mode continuely since the last election. They never did quit campaigning. What else is new. Now is just as good a time to boot them out.


Andy N
said

Bring it on! Harper is the best Prime Minister we've had since Confederation. I also look forward to getting the troop-bashing, bigoted, NDP out of BC for good.

My prediction, the Conservatives won't win a landslide but they will take a small majority. This is great news because now the Canadian electorate won't be held hostage by confidence threats. And the party that will lose most is the NDP.

Someone put Dion out of his misery, please. I almost feel sorry for the guy, almost.


A soldier
said

We can only hope for an election.

Harper is nothing more than an obstructionist
and if I were S.Dion I would be sick and tired of Harpers Kniving.

An opposition is one thing an obstructionist is another and Harper is not the only one.

Thank god for Layton and the separatists,they keep Harper in check and would make good leaders under different circumstances.

I do not want the version of Canada the Neo-con have to offer(warmongers).

So GO S.Dion with God speed !



allan
said

Repeat performance by inept Dion. He is against a budget that he has not even read--how can this be in the interest of Canadians. He will cause his party once again to abstain and make fools of themselves once again


Dave Hodson
said

Does anybody, other than the media, really want an election? Aren't they really the ones who keep fuelling all the election speculation. They've been predicting (or at least wanting) an election at just about every confidence vote over the past 18 months or so.


Kenny from Ottawa
said

Look, we need this election. We'll end up in virtually the same position. One or the other is going to be in a minority position. The Conservatives will say, "okay, Harper has had two shots now and it's clear that Canadians don't care for him," and he'll be ousted. (He's had a lot of time and can't break 35%) Then the Liberals will do the same when they're disappointed with their election results. So long Dion. Ultimately we'll win because it will mean two leadership campaigns that hopefully bring some meaningful leadership to one or both of these parties. We don't have a government now. All we have is opposition parties shouting at each other. Sadly though, we have to go through this exercise to get better choices for the next time around.


Ron Stonehouse
said

I understand that having a minority government is not the easiest. However, currently, it does allow for a decent system of checks and balances to ensure that the Conservatives are held accountable for their governance of Canada. As it appears, right now, this government is failing on its original promise of transparency. Right now there are a few elected officials that are making all the decisions, based on their own party’s agendas and personal legacies. Deputy Ministers are leaving in droves! Does anyone wonder why?

Right now, I think to myself...What a waste an election is of the tax payers’ money. What a sad waste, which is solely for this minority governments goal of ruling with a majority! Beware of power unchecked!


RCS



Andy
said

We will have tax breaks that help all of Canadians... (GST cut only helps those who can afford to spend lots of money)

Where are they?

We will have a made in Canada solution on the environment......

Where is it?


We will soon have help from NATO in Afghanistan!......

Wait where is it?


Is anyone else tired of the lies!!

The Conservatives need to stop holding parliament at knife point and govern... Canada does not need a 100's of million dollar election right now! I am ashamed of Mr. Harper and his governments irresponsiblity and lies!







Reuben
said

I'm prepared to go to the polls. With Dion as the Liberal leader, it won't be an election, it'll be a massacre. First Paul Martin, now Dion. I can't stand the Liberals, but even I feel a little bit bad for them.

Oh well. Bring on another Conservative government, minority or majority. For once we've had a government that kept its promises and showed real leadership.


Turner Matthews
said

The Harper government is the most incompetent government ever. (ie: Ambrose as Environment Minister, Baird as Environment Minister, O'Connor as Defense Minister, Clement as Health Minister, Lunn as Natural Resources Minister, Flaherty as Finance Minister, Finley as Immigration Minister, Harper as Prime Minister...the list goes on, these individuals have not done one single thing to improve their portfolio's, they just sit on their hands and sleep through question period.

In watching Question Period, just note how many times they simply cannot answer a question, any question posed to them is just brushed aside.

The Conservatives don't know how to govern, and they can't lead this country - plain and simple they are useless!

Match the current Conservative Ministers up with past Liberal Ministers - McCallum, Brison, Szabo, Coderre, Dion, Cotler, Dhalla, Goodale, Regan, Jennings, Holland, Godfrey, Ignatieff, and you will see that the Conservatives can't compete!


Steven Barrington
said

I remember what my father always said "Tory times are hard times".
Liberals left Harper with a huge surplus and all Harper did was give us a few cents reduction from the GST that I can't feel in my family budget.

Everyone knows that hard economic times are ahead, I'd rather have the proven track record of the Liberals to help us weather the storm.



Jonathan Van Barneveld
said

I long for the day an NDP government is formed. Throughout history we have been continually let down by the Tories and Grits. I think it's time to let the NDP have their shot since they really have never mislead us in any way.


DY in BC
said

A Harper majority is the worst thing that can happen to this country. I don't understand why people love that pompous clown so much. Perhaps it's because the alternative is just as scary. None of the party leaders, aside from Layton who has a snowball's chance in hell of winning with the NDP, show any signs of true leadership or vision. What a sad time for politics in Canada. I think I'll abstain from voting should we go to the polls in April.


KC
said

The Tories obviously want a election right now, this is why they will introduce a budget that will force one. It's politics at its worse. The Tories know that the Liberals have weak leadership so they will take this opportunity to get a majority.

Canada will enter another expensive election campaign with two of the weakest leaders in its history.

We will get to choose between Dion or Harper for prime minister. It really is a joke. Oh, I forgot, there is Jack who is a good leader, wrong party, although I have to say he has over performed to date.


TimR
said

Dion says: "I want to say to the Canadian people -- I always say the same in public and in private -- two things.

"The first thing is that we will choose our time. The second thing is that we need to be ready at any time."

Whatever happened to weighing the best interests of Canadians in your election call Mr. Dion? You haven't even seen the budget and you threaten an election.

I see the Liberals' priority remains the naked pursuit of power.


Mario
said

marie - Alliance Party? It's people like you that are steadfastly planted in the past that are hindering the progression of our country. The Alliance Party is gone, we now have the Progressive Conservative Party, and if you had an open mind (like lefties are supposed to have) you would see that Harper has been doing a fantastic job at running this country like a REAL country. We have a military that is able to defend and protect the innocent, an economy which hasn't been this strong in ages, and most of all, a PM that isn't afraid to do what's right for the country AS A WHOLE, even if small groups of people might disagree.

And this is coming from someone who voted Liberal in the last election!


nick
said

Great. Another election. I wasn't for this government in the first place, but can't we just allow them the time to prove themselves? It's embarassing on the world stage.


westerner
said

I can't believe all these posters above who actually think the Liberals will vote against the Budget, or the Afghanistan Mission .

There will be no election now because they have nothing to gain. All this hot air is just to get some cameras pointed on them. They (the liberals) know that they can't win even a minority right now and that they should wait till the economy turns south in the fall. When that does not happen then they will again make noises in the spring of 09 but clearer heads will once again prevail and we will see an election in the fall of 09, as scheduled


Jim
said

"Tory times are hard times"

Sorry bud, but the last two years have been the best in my recent memory.

This country has far too many latte sipping socialists. Anybody that would want to see Layton as Prime Minister scares me. Just wow.


Des Emery
said

CTV News Staff appears surprised by Harper's decision to force an early election on us. They shoudn't be. By making every vote in the HOC into a 'confidence' vote, Harper is assured of going to the polls (expensive) before the Americans can get rid of that albatross around their necks and show Canadians how to take back governance from the economists whose appeal is to the lowest common denominator. Just read most of the comments here to see how short-sighted so many of the electors are.




wes d
said

Whether you are a Conservative or an New Democrat, you should be at least able to respect that these parties, and Harper and Layton stand up for what they believe in. (too bad the small minded and obviously ignorant people like Stephen Green and Andy N bother to waste space calling others names)

The LIbEralS on the other hand--a bunch of mushy middlers who are essentially for sale to the highest bidder.
Here's hoping an election puts Dion and the Liberals where the Mulroney Cons finished in 1993, with Layton's NDP as the official opposition (Allan Eizinas--Layton is the best leader the NDP has has since Broadbent, and unlike the Cons and Libs, the NDP doesn't canabilize it's leaders--so the NDP won't be looking for a new leader whatever the outcome, Layton was voted a 92% approval rating among New Dems at their last convention).

The Conservative hacks appear to be out in full form though on the "Hello Majority" & "Minority parliaments don't work" comments. First-past-the-post minorities have little resemblance to effective proportional representation models--to make such claims you are either a deliberate liar or plain ignorant.

The best parliaments in our history are minorities, Stevie needs to learn to play better with others. Hopefully a second consecutive minority with wake him up to this fact. Like them or not, NDP has the best policies on the environment and healthcare, Harper should work with them on this.


Thomas-Sydney NS
said

This comes as not much as a suprise considering all the stuff going on as of late in the House. I personally expect another minority government of either the Conservatives again or the Liberals. Either way we should all be ready for a well run campaign that will most defintly come down to the wire.


Bob Lobblaw
said

I wonder how many of my tax dollars are being wasted so con employees can post on blogs.

Harper has been an embarassment for Canada on every issue under the sun. Without the support of a warmongering, evidence fabriacting, lying US administration the west's war of terror has no backing, not to mention never having legitimacy or a sound legal basis for terrorizing the middle east. The west's war of terror must end as must the tories occupation of the PMO.

Bring on an election, I would welcome a minority government by any other party in Canada. Only a bunch of clowns could possbily screw up a war economy.
This government has shown gross incompetence in every portfolio and never followed the will of the majority. There is a reason 65% of Canadians do and will not support the Regressive Cons.


Don J
said

I am sick and tired of a Prime Minister who passes a law for fixed election dates and then hold Parliament ransom as often as possible... and I'm sick of my fellow citizens who somehow think this is the fault of the Opposition. The way the comments here, at least, have been going, maybe it WILL be another Con gov't, minority or majority, but really, what does that say about the low level all of us have stooped to if we've accepted Harper's [pathetic] attempts to completely assuage the public to believe childish rumours like "Dion is NOT a leader" and take that as fact? A pathetic low this country has stooped to - all at the hands of someone they seem to be prepared to hand another government too. I swear, if I see any more arrogance in the HoC in the Cons I'm going to BARF. I really hope you publish this comment, CTV, since it's not your usual pro-con variety.


Laura
said

The biggest Liberal in PEI says that Dion is a brilliant man but he is NOT a Politician.


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