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Date: Tue. Jan. 29 2008 6:59 PM ET

While spending much of Tuesday's question period deflecting jabs by the opposition accusing him of using the armed forces as a scapegoat, Prime Minister Stephen Harper still refused to share details about prisoners captured by the Canadian military in Afghanistan.

Opposition leaders spent Parliament's second day back in session blasting the prime minister on keeping Canadians in the dark regarding Canada's Afghan mission.

After listing the number of captives held by the Netherlands, United States and United Kingdom, NDP leader Jack Layton demanded to know how many people were in Canadian custody and where they were being held.

"If the military decides to reveal that information, it is their decision," Harper responded. "I guess what it means is Canada makes it own policies."

After recent revelations that Canadian Forces stopped transferring detainees to Afghan authorities on Nov. 5 after allegations of prisoner torture, opposition MPs wanted to know how the military would determine that it was once again safe to hand captives to the Afghan authorities.

"The prime minister announced the (prisoner) transfers will resume at some unknown time," said Liberal Leader Stephane Dion. "Does he even have a concrete plan to ensure (that) when the transfers resume, the torture will stop?

"Will the prime minister realize that the buck stops with him on the leadership of this mission and he cannot scapegoat the military?"

Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe was additionally concerned the Canadian military might be more likely to let Afghani troops capture any prisoners so there would be no need for the halted transfers.

"The result is saying there is a risk of torture and Canada is washing its hands of it," Duceppe declared.

However, Defence Minister Peter MacKay quickly rebuked the suggestion that Canadians are standing idly by while Afghans arrest militants.

"That is not the practice of the Canadian army,'' he said, noting the government does not tell field commanders what to do on a case-by-case basis.

It's still unclear what is happening to prisoners.

Retired general laments parliamentary micro-managing

According to Canadian Maj.-Gen. (Ret.) Lewis MacKenzie, the endless parliamentary uproar probably likely plays a role in the military's reason for keeping prisoner information to itself.

"Back in the Netherlands the people aren't hanging on every word the commander says," he told CTV's Mike Duffy Live on Tuesday evening, referring to one of three countries involved in the mission known to disclose prisoner information to its public. 

"There are detainees being taken, they are being taken somewhere. I think commanders are getting somewhat teed off about how they're being micromanaged and micro-analyzed."

MacKenzie also responded to rumours the Kandahar airfield base -- which is staffed by many local citizens -- had been infiltrated by the Taliban.

"I can guarantee you it's been infiltrated," said the retired general. "There's never been a mission in my life where the locals don't infiltrate civilian staff.

"You assume you've been infiltrated," he added, noting a popular strategy is to disseminate false information throughout the base in order to fool those who may use it maliciously. "Some people back here seem to think (war is) some sort of sterile by-the-book type of activity. I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way."

Time to reassess goals, says Rae

The lack of new information from Harper on Tuesday didn't come as a surprise to many observers, particularly after the recently released Manley report on the future of the Afghan mission, which criticized Harper's government for secrecy and lack of vision for the mission.

Liberal Foreign Affairs Critic Bob Rae said Tuesday morning it's time to reassess Canada's goals in Afghanistan and come up with an exit strategy that reflects the outcome.

Rae, who hopes to win a seat in the riding of Toronto Centre, spoke to CTV's Canada AM one day after Harper said he accepts the "broad recommendations" of Manley's report.

Harper told an Ottawa news conference on Monday that his government accepts the report's recommendation that the mission be extended so long as the extension is conditional on more NATO support and equipment.

Rae said it's time to rethink the mission, then decide how long we should stay involved.

"What is the most realistic and effective way for Canada to stay and where do we have the greatest chance for success? In our view, an open-ended, never-ending military mission that focuses on counter-insurgency is not going to succeed and we have to create a mission that has a more realistic chance of success," Rae said.

The panel recommended that NATO find a 1,000-soldier battle group to assist Canada's 2,500 troops in Kandahar province -- one of the most insurgency-wracked parts of Afghanistan.

It also said Canada's soldiers should be supplied with helicopters and aerial drones.

Rae said he believes Canada should remain in Afghanistan for the next few years in some capacity, but not necessarily a military one.

"I think we really have to move away from this notion this is exclusively a military mission or that the only thing Canada is doing or should be doing is counterinsurgency and military activity of that kind," Rae said.

"We've got to take a step back and try to get an assessment of where this country of Afghanistan is going and how can we actually help to advance the cause of stability, which has to be our objective."

He acknowledged that the mission in Afghanistan is a tough one thanks to a complex political situation, a history of violence and the presence of the Taliban.

"It's a very difficult challenge and I think what the Liberal party has consistently said is we didn't go there with the promise we were going to stay there forever. This is not a forever mission," he said.

Rae said Canada should focus more on finding political solutions and increasing stability in Afghanistan, as well as working on development and diplomacy. He added that other NATO nations also need to step up and do their part so Canada can back away from its combat role.

On Monday, Harper said Canada's work in Afghanistan should be reviewed on progress towards benchmarks within two to three years' time.

Any extension of Canada's mission will need Liberal support in Parliament to pass. Dion indicated a possible deal if some conditions are met, including rotating Canadians out of the volatile Kandahar region within the next three years.

"(Harper) should push for the principle of rotation," Dion told reporters. "If we don't have this principle, I don't see how this mission will work for the long haul."

But some Liberals, including defence critic Denis Coderre, suggested they would not risk an election on the issue.

"Personally, I wouldn't go to an election on Afghanistan," he said.

While a full response to the Manley report is weeks away, Harper said he would be leading a diplomatic effort to secure more support from NATO allies at a key meeting in Bucharest, Romania in April.

He thought the report would give him "tremendous ammunition" there -- and he gave a warning.

The government will introduce a motion this spring seeking support of the House of Commons for the mission, which is set to end in its current form on February 2009.

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Kanatian
said

Time to reassess goals of Afghan mission? How about implementing some goals. This government has supported the US war of terror unconditionally. It has embraced the war of terror as an industry in Canada with over 22 billion being wasted on military spending. It is time that we stop sending our troops to die for a war that has no objective other than fixing the blunders of the US and furthering corporate imperialism.

This regime keeps hiding behind its lies of why Harper is appeasing the US in Afghanistan. The informed know full well what the purpose of NATO is in Afghanistan; it is not peace, democracy or stability.

It is time to get out and stop the insanity of a failed war, failed foreign policy and a failed government.


John
said

Dear Kanatian,

The Canadian government has NOT supported the US war on terror unconditionally.

In case you forgot Mr. Chretien turned his back on our closest ally when it came time to help the Iraqi people. Furtermore, Mr. Martin contemplated withdrawing from Afganistan. He delayed for so long that when he finally came to his senses the only deployment left was the killing fields of Kandahar.

If the former liberal government had acted responsibly Canada wouldn't be in the role we are in Afganistan.

Prime Minister Harper and his team have made the best of a rotten situation. They are doing the honourable thing and helping innocent civilians, while rebuilding Canada's ternished reputation on the world stage.


Gerald Skowronski
said

If the Canadian government had a plan with stated goals we could, then, assess our failure or success. At this point in time we have nothing but spent money and spent lives.


T-Roy
said

Well said Kanatien. I agree with you 100%.


Riley
said

The problem is that everyone on the right of the spectrum talks about the need for a military role. Everyone on the left of the spectrum talks about how this has to be a development mission.

What needs to happen is that these two camps come together and learn that BOTH development and military are needed to succeed. One can not be used without the other.




Al
said

Come on people, helicopters are so easy to shoot down. The Taliban use IED's to deter our military now with minimum casualties. They will adapt to the use of Helicopters and when they start knocking them out of the sky there will be multiple casualties. And they will find a way to shoot them down. Ask the Russians.


Derek
said

I agree with you Mr. Rae.

Canada cannot keep putting its brave men and women in harms way unless it has specific goals.


R.J.
said

To many of you who respond to this site, remind me not to ask for your help.

Canada is in Afghanistan because the people of Afghanistan need our help and want us there. Oh sure, the Taliban doesn't want us there, but I didn't realize Canadians bend to the will of terrorists instead of average citizens.

larry
said

The Liberals put us in Afganistan in the first place and the Liberals cancelled the helicopter deal, so I really can't accept negative feedback from a Liberal. This is a U.N. sponsored mission not a U.S. one, so the connection of Harper and the U.S. is unimaginative at best.

I would accept the Manley report before anything that Bob (socialist) Rae ever says and I believe Harper has said he accepts the report in principle. The two professors that are trying to run the Liberal party have no experience at anything approaching reality so there comments need continual scrutiny. And then we have 'Taliban' Jack...

This commitment will likely take 10 years and move from a military one to more of a peacekeeping one as time and common sense dictates. Meanwhile we need to keep our place and support human rights, even if it has to be with a gun. Harper has shown actual leadership.

The group in Canada that talks about human rights but chickens out and runs when the going gets tough need to find some courage and common sense.


Iami Iamme
said

Did RAE just wake up or what? Did he miss out on the recent MANLEY/HARPER mission assessment, or whatever it was supposed to be? This is just another form of work with good benefits attached, and one really can't help but wonder, what it is, that these politicians do to justify their financial remuneration. Most of these Bureaucrats are flunkies on a free ride to a great government pension, on top of what else they get out of the private life deals, especially those that revolve around the big profit, economics of War, and "fighting terror."

Chris from Calgary
said

Canada should revisit the goals in Afghanistan, but, bringing our soldiers home now shouldn't be one of them. If the other NATO members would contribute a well trained, reliable security force (NOT A.N.A because they're useless as t*** on a bull) to deal with insurgent threats then Canadians could finish the provincial reconstruction projects without having to take 3 months out of a 6/7 month tour to clear our AORs again... and again... We only have a certain number of feet on the ground and when you've reached your limit of exploitation it's physically impossible to retain control of the area... It can't be done without help from NATO... If NATO can't or won't help, then it may be time to consider coming home. Then, maybe, the troops won't feel let down by their own country for being asked to do an impossible job then not being allowed to finish it.




LRG
said

I just love you people who say the government has wasted money on the military. I would be more than happy to have those same terroists jam a bomb in your city and kill a bunch of innocent people and then see what you have to say my friend. All I can say is thank you to the PM for his active role in keeping those terrorists where they belong in there own country. As well god bless those troops who are over there taking the fight to them, keep up the good work and come home safe.


Canadian Soldier
said

and don't forget failed knowledge of a country's people. Wow, Ignorance is bliss so it would seem. It is the "War ON Terror". This is what people are talking about when they say we soldiers fight for the rights of the country's people to disrespect us. I as a soldier know that we need to be there, there needs to be no assessing of the mission whatsoever. Manley's Panel report was bang on the money. we have improved life in Afghanistan and will continue to do so, we just need more muscle from other NATO countries.


John
said

Canada has done more than its fair share of combat in this useless war. Our brave and courageous soldiers are dying in vain for a mission I will never understand or support. I fully support withdrawal now. We are quickly falling into the trap of no way out and a Canadian Vietnam. There is no shame in saying enough is enough... that's what most NATO Countries had said already and they have few or none of their soldiers dying. Bring the soldiers home and put the billions being spent on the war into health care, daycare, and helping an economy that is quickly becoming unravelled.


John O'Connor
said

Why does a failed, disgraced, former NDP leader get taken seriously? Oh yea..."that was then, this is now".


Leo
said

I agree with Kanation. It's time to stop defending a helpless people from religious fundamentalists. We should pull out and let the slaughter begin. It won't be our fault: it's the Afghanistan people's fault for supporting religious fundamentalism, and our fault for supporting "corporate imperialism"!
Not our concern if the Taliban pull all the women out of schools, execute anyone who showed any sympathy for the NATO effort, and return the country to a cultural wasteland.
We're not our brothers' keepers. Our concern and charity for others should end at Canada's borders.


James Walton
said

Broad sweeping generalizations like the first poseter's are of little help. As are ones like support the mission unquestioningly. It is very reasonable to establish concrete goals that ought to be met if Canada will continue its presence.

Decreasing corruption in the government of Afghanistan ought to be one of the first. Ensuring proper political representation of Afghans ought to be the next. We as Canadians may not agree with all of their political goals, but they should be heard and implemented. And thirdly measurable targets for regional development need to be set. Successfully fighting a counter-insurgency campaign is all well and good, but if no human development occurs in the improved security environment, its ultimately futile. Targets such as increased agricultural output, access to clean drinking water, increased enrollments in schools and access to medicine need to be set and stuck to.


Paradigm shift
said

Canada needs to take a high tech approach to the problem.

-Control movement accross the Pakistan border. Use laser detectors, sound detectors, cameras, minefields.

-issue high tech identification cards

-Train the Afghans to do the repetative verifications.

-Place electronic message boards and alert population to curfews.

Introduce robotic patrolers to the 21st century battlefield, it's time.


baddogbob
said

Rae is a private citizen without a seat in Parliament and here he is holding interviews on Afghanistan. I am a private citizen without a seat in Parliament yet nobody comes to interview me about my thoughts on Afghanistan. What gives with the media? Is he ACTUALLY in the beginning stages of his next run at the Liberal leadership?


Kevin L
said

Al said:
Come on people, helicopters are so easy to shoot down.

American and Dutch helicopters are used in Canada's area of operation on almost a daily basis. They transport troop back and forth between KAF and the FOBs. None have been shot down. The Russians lost so many because the Afghan's were being supplied with American anti-aircraft missiles.



Allan Eizinas
said

Reassess our goals?

We never had any! To have measurable goals you then have a system to evaluate success or failure. You also have a debatable set of norms and an exit strategy. We have none of these.

We were sucked into this bloody human meat grinder quagmire by a military leadership command that did not understand the enormity of this war – Hillier has already admitted to that fact.

Right now we appear to be ruled by “doing the right thing” or “a sense of honor to commitment” or “fight them there or fight them here” or “kill those murderers and scumbags”.

Nice goals.

I remember Vietnam and Somalia. These were the same “goals” for Vietnam and Somalia. Time to establish measurable goals or Afghanistan will end up just like Vietnam and Somalia.


Army Wife
said

I sent half a dozen of my military friends to Afghanistan last week, and three others came back shaken but unharmed last summer. They are nine of the most proud people I have ever encountered. They are greatful to have had a chance to help, and the constant thanks that Canadian soldiers receive from Afghan women for all of their help is the primary reason a lot of them keep fighting. This wasn't supposed to be a combat mission, but it's kind of hard to build schools and hospitals when the Taliban is shooting at you. So, you adapt and overcome. Not to mention that individual platoons are raising moneyfor toys and equipment for schools for the disabled, making friends and playing games with children who have known nothing but war, and helping provide medical care via Canadian churches for children who would otherwise die. Our soldiers are doing an amazing job and are proud of the work they are doing. It would be a shame to pull them out only to have to go back in ten years because the country fell apart as soon as we left. And when my husband goes overseas next year, I hope I don't have to worry that he's making that sacrifice in vain for a bunch of unappreciative Canadians.


Max
said

My friend, I am saddened to hear that you would wish us to simply abandon the millions of Afghans that are counting on us to make their lives better.

You say you are informed and you know what the purpose of NATO is in Afghanistan, yet you do not say it. Please elaborate.

I have spent more than a year in Afghanistan trying to help its people. In the process, I have come to call many Afghans my friends. I have also made some people there unhappy. However, almost all will bluntly tell me that Canada is doing a good job and is accomplishing many good deeds there.

Simply put, they tell me that if we weren't, they'd be doing the same to us as they did to the Russians and the British before them.

Roch
said

Perhaps Government policy should be addressed by people who have been elected as federal MPs, rather than by former NDP Premiers of Ontario.
I thought that is how our Government works, you know, we elect people to represent us.


Brad B
said

Coming from an unelected critic, surprisingly, he's right (and living in Ont, you can't imagine how much it galls me to semi-agree with him). We do need to reassess our goals and come up with an exit strategy, if we don't have one already. Wow, what a concept; of course I'd like to think our military is doing this ALL THE TIME! That doesn't mean that an exit strategy has to be used right now, but plans must always be in place and continually updated based on the situation (including political sit).
"...move away from this notion this is exclusively a military mission" That's the problem: it's not! It's also a humanitarian and rebuilding mission, but that takes military assistance and security to perform right now. Yes, right now there is a large fighting component, but that is bound to change, given the Manley report. But for the critics who talk about this as "an oil war" or "US puppets", please, take the time to actually do some research. Find out who else is there, why they are there, and why WE are there. And John, you may want to look up how many other troops have died from other countries.


Paul
said

You're absolutely right Kanatian. This war is a mess that Canada has no business getting caught up in.

In the comments section lately, when people question the mission, there have been these angry, reflexive rationales that the reason we're in Afghanistan is because of 9/11 and the fact that some Canadians were killed in that attack.

This is nonsense. Tragic as those deaths were (as were all innocents killed on that day) Canada was not attacked on 9/11. If this mission is about going after factions in a country that facilitated a terror attack in which Canadians died as collateral damage, then this rationale would justify Canada attacking right wing militia bases in the USA if some Canadians were killed inside the Murrah building in Oklahoma when it went down. We wouldn't use our army to attack militia bases or factions that harbour terrorists over that terror attack, and on the same principles we have no business doing the same in Afghanistan.

gerald bryant
said

Canadian troops in Afghanistan need more and better equipment (tanks and helicopters) and more military help from other NATO countries. But if we leave Afghanistan now (as suggested by Dion,Ignatieff and Rae) Canadians will ask, why did the Liberal Government of the day send our troops there in the first place. It never was a peace-keeping mission. If we pull out now the loss of our soldiers killed by the Taliban will have been in vain.


David_K
said

Canada needs to pull out right away. Canada does not even need a army. Pull out now and disband the army and become a country to be proud of! All we are saying is give peace a chance!


Owen
said

Bob Rae is absolutely right. One good goal would be to determine how long we actually intend to stay, and base the number of extra troops we need off of that. Saying that we should stay indefinitely is unrealistic and not actually a goal. Just because we may not meet our goals, i.e. we may have to stay longer, does not mean we shouldn't have goals in the first place. How can Canadians be expected to support the mission if they have no benchmarks to judge whether or not it is successful?


barry
said

This so called war on terror is a american problem that they them selves brought on by their foreign policy. If harper wants to fight he should go fight himself. Bring the boys home, it's a pointless war that was started by bush and his regime. Harper and his regime have wasted money and lives for nothing, everything still looks the same in Kandahar as it did when the war started. Harper and his cronies have taken a rotten situation and made it worse.


Kris
said

Dear John,

What, exactly, did Iraq have to do with the "War on a Noun" (terror)?

Staying out of that fiasco was one of the greatest decisions ever made by a Canadian Prime Minsiter.

That being said, we should stay and help the Afghan people, but what's wrong with implementing benchmarks? Are we just supposed to keep tossing money at the problem, with no audit on performance and ROI?


Lillian
said

I just want to express my appreciation to the brave men and women who serve in our armed forces in Afghanistan. Most of them seem to think that this is a worthy cause and must be seen through to a successful conclusion.
To ARMY WIFE- Thank you and all other wives, parents, etc. of the military for your sacrifice.
Baddogbob has it right. Why is the media paying so much attention to someone who has no seat in Parliament, namely Bob Rae? Didn't we have more than enough of his policies in Ontario during the last decade of the nineties?


Ian
said

The doublespeak of 'exit strategies' is exactly what the Taliban and Al-Qeada want to hear.
I don't recall any talk of an 'exit strategy' in WW2 or Korea.
Our enemies count on our impatience. Don't reward them. Stay and get on with it.


Chris from Calgary
said

I'd like to see what most bloggers here would do when (if) they're in Afghanistan handing out food and medical supplies to the villagers and seeing children laugh and play when an RPG whizzes past their head. What are they going to say to them, "Stop or I'll be forced to ask you to stop again?!" Most people don't realize that there are far fewer deliberate combat missions conducted than humanitarian assistance operations. We are not there just to suppress the ACMs... or fight a Vietnam-esque war... most of the fire fights are reactionary.

There are tangible goals set for Afghanistan. I wish people would stop with their verbal diarhhea about "there are no goals for Afghanistan" because there certainly are. WE JUST NEED HELP FROM THE OTHERS.

We also need the Afghan government to figure out a way to stop their soldiers and police from deserting their posts, but, that's another story.


MRM
said

Why are we even listening to the opinion of an unelected politician with absolutely no foreign policy experience? This is the same guy who, following the Australian election, predicted with absolute certainty that the Aussies were pulling out of Afghanistan, only to have the New Aussie P.M. visit the country a few weeks later and announce a troop increase. Mr. Rae is about as knowledgeable on foreign policy as Coderre is on Defence issues. The Manley Report was a thoughtful report by a well informed, bi-partisan panel. We would do well to listen to them rather than Mr. Rae’s misinformed, politically biased views.


Vince M.
said

You don't know what the goal/mission is? You've got to be kidding?

They went there as part of a UN sanctioned mission to remove the Taliban after 911 and in its place help create the envoronment for a stable, democratic government.

The goal is met when that governmnt is able to sustain itself without outside help, at which time the participants of the UN sanctioned mission will gladly leave.

To meet that goal you have to hold elections (done), train an Afgan army to defend the government (underway), create useful infrastructure and services to show people a democratic system can make their lives better (underway). But most of all create and maintain a secure environment where the former can happen without interference from the ousted Taliban. THAT'S what we are currently doing.

Now what was hard about that?



sean ford
said

My father is a World War II veteran. He gave his youth to that war, proudly, bravely, and with everything he had to give.

I am ashamed that Canada has lost it's will to fight for worthwhile things, and Afghanistan IS a worthwhile thing: just ask any straving kid that received international aid and hada full belly when they went to bed.

The hallmark of "being Canadian" these days it seems is a willingness to stand for absolutely nothing, and that is NOT something that makes me want to wave a flag and say I am proud to be a Canadian.



Tom
said

I too agree with Kanation in that we should leave. It seems that the population are not ready for democracy at this time. As Bush is bogged down in Iraq Harper has us bogged down in Afganistan. We are in war that will never be won. Harper is much too cozy with George W for my liking.


hollinm
said

It's interesting to see people listening to Bob Rae's bafflegab about setting goals. The goal is to provide the government of Afghanistan the ability to defend their country and its citizens. It ain't complicated people. Don't fall for the Liberal spin on setting objectives etc. It's all about the Liberals trying to dodge their responsibility after having committed Canada to this war.


a CF member
said

to Vince M... and everyone else... UN has NO involvement in Afghanistan, it is a Strictly NATO mission, and if you people cant tell the difference between UN and NATO then you shouldnt be involving yourselves in international matters


Andrew
said

Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, including the right to food, the highest attainable standard of health and education, are as much human rights as are freedom of expression or the right to a fair trial.
All human rights should be enjoyed by all people.
If we as Canadians believe this then we need to be in Afghanistan, if we fail to help the 4th poorest country on the face of the earth then we are no better than the Taliban. We cannot abandon these people they need us to free them from the thugs who wish to keep them surpressed, and rebuild their country and their lives.


Reality Bites
said

I guess when Peter Mansbridge challenged Dion about visiting A'stan he assumed Dion would have a better understanding of the mission. Wrong assumption, it just gave him a false sense of accomplishing ...uh...something.
And why is Bob Rae even getting press on this? As someone else has mentioned he doesn't even have a seat in Parliamrnt. It seems Iggy,Rae and Dion get too much media attention.
Thank you Army Wife. I am so glad you have been given a chance to comment on this forum.


Jim McB
said

This is a war, not some video game for left wing armchair generals. The public does not need to know about day to day operations for if they do then so does the enemy. The Liberals, NDP and BLOC all want information that they can use to foster their respective political takes on the situation. The welfare of the troops and the standing of the country is not even being considered.

Lou MacKenzie tried to explain the need for information control on MDL. It is likely the base has been infiltrated by Taliban, as the bases have been on all missions with enemy agents, and secrecy along with disinformation is used to control their success.

The other problem he addressed is that the media and the opposition parse every word that comes from the military to make some story or for spin. The military's only option is not to talk. WE have put our people in that situation with our behaviour.

There have been outright lies reported, like the CDS calling PM Harper, all this while he is on leave with his family. This poisons the relationship with the media and I'll bet that there is a prolonged period where the media tries to prove that they were correct rather than setting the record straight. This controversy has a negative impact on the morale of our troops.

Setting measurable goals is possible when sitting on your butt in an office somewhere. It does not extrapolate into some battlefield measuring technique. Perhaps the media should be going to the NGO's and the reconstruction teams and keeping track of their achievements, but that would not be news, and the left would have problem spinning it into anti government rhetoric.




Josh in Ontario
said

I'm sick and tired of people who say Harper’s policies are too close to Bush’s because of his handling of this issue. By that logic Chrétien and Martin were as well because they committed us there in the first place... and they certainly were not fans of the white house under W. Bush. This is a UN mandated mission backed by NATO to help one of the poorest countries in the world fight off insurgents and rebuild. Go see Charlie Wilson’s War. We should never make that mistake again.


Des Emery
said

Is this the proper place for either the 'looney left' or the 'self-righteous right' to get in their nasty digs at the other side? Is it not possible for posters to actually comment on the network question without denigrating the opinions of others?

Since Mr. Harper is now 'deferring' to the military the point of discussion should be about the nuances of that information, not whether Mr. Rae is qualified to give an interview, or whether Mr. Dion is able to lead a political party, but rather should the Minister of Defense or the Minister of Foreign Affairs or the Prime Minister himself make the announcement to disclose POW information. And was it made to keep us informed, or to mislead us, or to placate disgruntled military officers. Have there been more prisoners taken? Are they in American prisons or NATO prisons? If we are going to be there for an undetermined time, should we build our own prisons there?

Lots of questions, and no need to put anyone down.

One more comment, not a putdown -- this is not a war as usual. There is no line in the sand. There is no thin blue line, holding the fort until reinforcements arrive. There are no battlements to scale, no Vimy Ridge, no Maginot Line, no trenches for shelter. The enemy does not advance into battle against us, but creeps silently behind us and strikes without warning. The question then becomes "How many casualties can we accept? How long can we persist in helping those who will not help themselves.?




Ont. North Dave
said

Armchair generals - the whole lot of you.

Let the REAL generals and soldiers do their job...the one they swore to do, to protect the same virtues 90% percent of the commentators on this site claim to believe in.

I've worn the uniform - and I believe in the mission. My views on how the war can and should be won may differ from others. However, I'm not supportive of people's relentless attempt to smear the oft-snap decisions that are made in a theatre of combat. It is easy to sit at my computer and criticize decisions made...given time to reflect and ponder the "failures" or misfortunes of others.

It's all very sickening.


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