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Date: Mon. Jan. 28 2008 11:15 PM ET

Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he accepts the "broad recommendations" of the Manley panel's report on Canada's future role in Afghanistan.

Harper told an Ottawa news conference on Monday that his government accepts the recommendation for a mission extension -- including that any such extension be conditional on more NATO support and equipment.

The panel recommended that NATO find a 1,000-soldier battle group to assist Canada's 2,500 troops in Kandahar province -- one of the most insurgency-wracked parts of Afghanistan.

It also said Canada's soldiers should be supplied with helicopters and aerial drones.

"In terms of equipment, Canada already has it on order and has for some time," Harper told reporters. "But both of those recommendations will have to be fulfilled or Canada will not proceed with the mission in Afghanistan. We believe they are essential to our success."

The U.S. will move 3,200 Marines to southern Afghanistan in the spring, but only for seven months.

"While the case for the Afghan mission is clearly compelling, the decision to allow our young men and women in uniform to continue to be in harm's way demands the responsibility to give them a strong chance of success," Harper said.

"The panel has made a clear case that there can't be a definitive timeline placed on when NATO has finished the job in Afghanistan and when Afghans can take responsibility for their own security. We agree."

However, Canada's work in Afghanistan should be reviewed on progress towards benchmarks within two to three years' time, he said.

Any extension of Canada's mission will need Liberal support in Parliament to pass. Liberal Leader Stephane Dion indicated a possible deal if some conditions are met, including rotating Canadians out of the volatile Kandahar region within the next three years.

"(Harper) should push for the principle of rotation," Dion told reporters. "If we don't have this principle, I don't see how this mission will work for the long haul."

But some Liberals, including defence critic Denis Coderre, suggested they would not risk an election on the issue.

"Personally, I wouldn't go to an election on Afghanistan," he said.

Lobbying NATO

While a full response to the Manley report is weeks away, Harper said he would be leading a diplomatic effort to secure more support from NATO allies at a key meeting in Bucharest, Romania in April.

He thought the report would give him "tremendous ammunition" there -- and he gave a warning.

"Canada has done what it said it would do and more," Harper said. "We now say we need help. If NATO can't come through with that help, then frankly I think NATO's own reputation and future will be in grave jeopardy."

The government will introduce a motion this spring seeking support of the House of Commons for the mission, which is set to end in its current form on February 2009.

"I would invite the opposition parties to think carefully about their positions and to give this report the consideration it deserves," Harper said, adding he would be speaking with Liberal Leader Stephane Dion.

Harper didn't say whether the vote would take place before or after the Bucharest meeting.

The prime minister said Canada and its allies are making progress, but admitted it's a complex and difficult mission.

Criticisms

The Manley report supported the general thrust of the Afghan mission but had some criticisms, including calling on the prime minister to take a more active role in both leading political direction of the mission and for better communications.

Harper said the report criticizes governments, and not specifically his own, "but we take the criticism seriously.

"If I can be frank about it, this is an extremely difficult mission. We don't believe it's perfect. We never have," he said.

"There has been no issue that has caused me as prime minister has more headaches, or more heartache, than this particular mission. I don't think that's going to change in the future."

Harper said he thought the panel would acknowledge that the government has taken steps to address some deficiencies noted, such as an Afghan communications task force to improve dissemination of information about the mission.

"Let's be truthful ... a robust military mission, where there are casualties, is never going to be easy to communicate. And it is never going to be popular to communicate."

Seventy-eight Canadian soldiers and one diplomat have died since 2002 while serving in Afghanistan. A Harris-Decima poll conducted for The Canadian Press after the fall throne speech found 60 per cent of respondents opposed to a mission extension to 2011.

On the Afghan detainees issue, Harper said in French he wouldn't publicly discuss details of military operations.

However, he expected that transfers -- halted in early November after a case of torture was confirmed -- would resume in the future.

With a report by CTV's Robert Fife in Ottawa

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T-Roy
said

Let me guess. He doesn't agree with the criticism of how the mission has been handled by the PMO, the prime cause for the problems we currently face with the Afghan Mission. If he doesn't acknowledge he has failed and promise to handle it better then the whole point of the Manley Report is lost completely and the mission will continue to be lost on the Canadian people. Fess up Harper or quit. Where's the leadership we hear about?


Roger T
said

Talk is cheap, lets see what the PM will do IF NATO does not meet our demands. NATO members are already too comfortable with our troops fighting while they seemto offer their support but will not stretch and bow to our demands.


Neil
said

Well........ whatever. Neither I, nor anybody belong to me will be part of this caper. Just ain’t interested and not going.


Marie E./ Calgary
said

Manley and Harper are two sides of the same coin 'Father Knows Best' and thwart the desire of the majority of 'ignorant' Canadians to stop the nonsense of our combat participation in afghanistan. No, these two are not pawns of Washington but members of the same dead-end thinking.


Roy in Greenwood, Nova Scotia
said

This report is a farce. A well orchstrated charade.
I'm a retired career soldier as was my father before me. The purpose of the armed forces should not be to build schools and dig wells for those who won't pick up the shovel themselves.

Get our troops out now. Nato? Hint: We won. The Cold War ended almost two decdes ago. Now Nato is a bloated anacronysm trying to justify it's existence.


DCI
said

Why doesn't NATO get with the program?? There is anarchy in many areas of this planet. And yet they sit on their hands. Talk is cheap! I'm so tired of hearing how little NATO does. They need to get some real leadership. And start taking action against these counties and their corrupt leaders. And get more troops in these areas now!
To me; NATO is just an embarrasment to the world.


Jonathan
said

While UAVs and helicopters while be really helpful to our troops, what this is going to take is time. You can't take a bunch of tribal gunmen and turn them into the professional standing army that Afghanistan needs to secure it's own future long term in just a few years. And of course, we will need to stand in the gap until they are ready. Failure to do so will be felt here at home, just ask Spain or Britain.


Chris C
said

I don't understand how people can't see the forest for the trees. Do people forget what 9/11 was about, and where Al-Quada was based? I thought Canadians were humanitarians that cared about women and children, regardless of the nation. I have talked with members of our Armed Forces to find out if they believe in the mission, and our government. I have yet to meet one soldier (face to face) that hasn't believed in both. Partisan politics at it's blind best.


Dave
said

If the U.S. moved 1000 troops from Iraq to Afghanistan which is where the real Terror Threat is - I could support this policy . But as a Conservative Voter - This policy could give the Liberal's a real reason
to Force an Election .


anna
said

For all of those Liberals and NDP ers who want to see the Afghanistan mission fail, what was the misson that the Liberals committed us to in the first place? What was their exit strategy then? How to explain "cut and run" to all of the military families who have lost a loved one? Remember September 11th happened because we did not pay attention to what was going on in Afghanistan.
The Liberals and the NDP love freedom, as long as someone is willing to pay the price. Thank God for the leadership of Stephen Harper.


paul
said

It shouldn't come as a surprise that the Manley report says to stay providing certain conditions are met. They make sense as do the reasons to be over there in the first place. My big question is what happens IF the other countries don't do as requested and not provide the troops/equipment?


FreakAlert
said

I think a big player in all this is Russia; hence, the lack of European enthusiasm.


Arron; Halifax
said

Canadians have a misperception that the 'enemy' are a few thousand malcontents. they aren't. They are tens on millions. Canadians aren't being killed for freedom or democracy but to support one set of thugs against another. this Manely eport doesn't adress the most funsamental issue: We can't win, and. If by a miracle we did, it would just entrench another bunch of thugs in power.

The Maney report and the combat mission in Afghanistan are both farces.


Dave in Surrey
said

I find it funny that Harper relied upon a Former Liberal rather than his own Minister of Defense to do a report on the Future Role of Canada in Afghanistan...

So MacKay is Chaparoned by the US Ambassador when he visits the troops and now has no say on Afghanistan, in fact is being told what to do by the Liberals...


Craig
said

Chris, sadly you are mistaken. Today the only thing that seems to make you Canadian is criticizing everything and anything the USA might have some kind of involvement in.


Chris from Calgary
said

It all boils down to the fact that the other NATO members got all dressed up but they're too chicken to get on the dance floor with our soldiers... and with the prospect of taking what most of the NATO members consider unnecessary casualties, losing lives, forget about it. Yeah, sure, the US sent more troops to the region. All that'll come of that is more and more combat hardened insurgents from Iraq, instead of the angry, misled, 2nd and 3rd tier nationals we're facing regularly. The NATO commanders have to sit back and get on the same damn page or nothing more will come of this mission other than funeral processions. I hope PM Harper grows a set and gives 'em the gears in April. Our troops deserve the help.


Scott
said

Lovely. Now military spending in Canada will plunge us right into the same recession that the US is facing. An economic catastrophe that could be avoided if NATO would get off their lazy butts and step up to the plate, and if our incompetant PM would listen to the calls to GET OUT NOW.


Dano
said

Chris C. Don't know what soldiers you are talking to. The ones that just got back or the ones that are leaving. Do you realy think we can win this?
As a soldier of 17 years, you can now say
you've met one who was not confident in the mission. And there are more.



Raj
said

Nato is pretty useless.It always has been, why change now.I don't think we should simply pull our troops out.Bad idea.
Maybe we should see what Mr Dithers thinks? he was the one that chose this mission, and where to place them.


John
said

Arm chair quarterbacks.

Why is it that NO answer from Harper ever satisfies some people?

A coalition of diverse committee members examined an issue, made recommendations... still people complain and throw insults.

Is there any possibility these people would have been complimentary IF the PM had rejected the report? Of course, not. The objective is not objective analysis - it's negativism against anything that does not align to their pre-determined views.

The same people demand objective thinking, yet simply refuse to demonstrate objectivity themselves... to consider the possibility that staying to do the job IS the best option (in a situation the Liberals got us into!).

Since when were the only intelligent people those who agreed with the arm chair quarterbacks?

To you ACQs, go ahead - express your opinion yes, but understand, it's only YOUR opinion. You are neither inerrant or infallible.


Andrew
said

If I had my way our military focus would switch from Afghanistan to the Sudan.


chris c
said

Scott, why is it that you think the best thing to do here is cut and leave? Do you honestly think that is the best strategy to have? I cannot believe anyone outside Jack Layton would think that is the responsible thing to do. What would that accomplish? IT would allow the insurgents another opportunity to set up shop and plan more terrorist attacks. Maybe next time it will be in Calgary. I'd rather them keep an eye in their backs in their own backyard than plan attacks in the West. Do you not see this???


Dan/ PPCLI (ret.)
said

chris,

Other Nato countries are not chickens at all but democracies. The governments of those countries are actually listening to the people who do not support an active combat role.

It's amusing that the war keeners who support killing Afghanis to promote democracy are so disdainful of the will of the people in their own country.


Pat_Pending
said

Kudos to Roy in Greenwood, Nova Scotia:

You are absolutely right. Why is NATO still around? The cold war is over, there is not Warsaw Pact, and NATO is totally vestigial. It fights wars to justify its own existence. It's like the UN but with guns and dominated by the Americans with the British as obedient little lap dogs.

We should get out of Afghanistan and get out of Nato.

Jonathan - for your information, Spain and Britain were bombed for their PARTICIPATION with the US, not for withdrawing. Since Spain withdrew, there has been no further attacks there. OUR PARTICIPATION in Afghanistan threatens us, not our withdrawl.


Jim in the West
said

To Roy,

From one retired soldier who's family is career military to another, the Canadian Forces have a long and proud history as "builders". We know how to fight, being recognized the world over for our combat skills, but only the Special Forces "just fight". Canadians from WWI and WWII helped rebuild farms, hospitals, and schools overseas. They did it without Ottawa telling them to, and they did it without a lot of media attention, but they nevertheless did it.

Speaking of the Great Wars, we also have a long and proud history of fighting for those that couldn't, wouldn't, or didn't know how to. Nothing different than what we're doing in Afganistan.

Strength & Honor
Faith & Fury


Vahan
said

I am so sick and tired of sending and losing young men to the middle east. Let us all be honest, this is a region that needs to fight it out amongst themselves. Let them kill each other until they are satisfied with the blood shed. Let them pray to their God and pillage their own lands. They are savages and our kids are being killed for these ungrateful people. GET OUT NOW.


jim
said

J.C.
I can't help but think if the United States spent lees time trying to force their way of life and beliefs on other countries we would all be better off. They got a little spanking over seven years ago and nothing since. This nonsense has been going on for longer then the second world war. George Bush is a war monger the sooner he's gone the better off the world will be. Bring the troops home now. P.S. The United States is has also done a great job with the sub prime mortgage mess. When is the world going to wake up?


Jack
said

The Manley Report was a balanced and fair document (it had to be, for the NDP to boycott it). The troops are doing a fantastic job over there..making a difference. The large dam north of Kanadhar is almost finished, and will allow the farmers to grow non-narcotic crops. They have already converted some crops to wheat, and the produce is now getting to markets thanks to the by-pass highway completed around Kandahar. It might be time for the "heavy lifting countries" i.e. Canada, US, UK, Netherlands, Denmark, of NATO to call the others to table and read them the riot act. Either they put up, or their membership in NATO will be cancelled.


Jim McB
said

The left wing partisans are always here to comment negatively, no matter what the government does. They wanted consultation, they wanted a chance to vote on the mission, and they will get it; yet they still complain.

The lanquage, the words, the tone never varies in this group. I guess when your mind is made up for you, all you have to do it cut and paste.

Our family to a person supports the government and the mission. We have close to a hundred years of military service under our collective belts and family still serving. We regret that soldiers in the field may read some of these responses, you get to be a bit more sensitive about what people say when the shots you are taking are from real ordinance rather than ill considered words.


Saints Geenwood NS
said

Chris C
You have now met two.And trust me we are not alone not supporting the insanity in Afghanistan.


DCR-Toronto
said

Scott, the calls to get out now, are less than half the population. Let's be clear on things. I do agree, however, that NATO must step up. Providing they do, which is probable, Dion will side with Harper on this. I get the feeling he is actually clearing his head and acting like a leader when it comes to this report. Harper has done the right thing by saying that if NATO doesn't step up, we have to leave.


Pablo Duvnjak
said

Hey Jonathan you forget that this " tribal gunman", as you put it, stoped the mighty russian army and for thousands of years have kept invaders forces out.
Soon enough Nato troops will follow.
And by the way, while they were figthing the russian they were very good, now all of sudden they are just a bunch of tugs.


Wes
said

I think that the PM is making the right call. The report had to be made by people outside of the government to have credability in the eyes of the opposition. And we have to upgrade our military equipment at some point, the longer you wait the more expensive it is. And we used to have our own medium lift helicopters but they were sold by the liberals.


DJT
said

To DCI,
You hit the nail on the head perfectly..... Canada is also part of NATO as a result we have to send troops where they are needed, but this role should be shared with other nations in a much greater role.


Wayne
said

What a tough decision and Harper is absolutely right and I almost hate to say this but I think he has just earned my vote. I have waited for Dion to step up to the plate the last year but if anything I have lost confidence in the Liberal Party for a whole variety of issues and so far have agreed with almost all of Steve H.'s decisions. I started out as a Harper hater thinking that he had some sort of hidden agenda only to have come to the conclusion that he is one of the most strategically brilliant PM's we have ever had. As an example I pose this question to all ... wait 1 year and if we have still not had an election and if we have an extension to the mission as well as a variety of legislation that was promised or we have a forced election soon with another Conservative minority and Dion no longer leader of the Liberals ... then you will have to agree with me that Harper is definiely ranked in the top tier of politically astute politicians that we have had since hmmm maybe Diefenbaker. The ability of Harper to adiminister his duties and yet do so despite current political polling amazes me.


Graeme
said

I'm glad he accepted to make it conditional on more NATO support. This mission requires the support of all countries, and if they refuse to help out, Canada may as well leave - the war is not winnable the way it is going.

Our soldiers are needlessly dying because they don't have helicoptors, which are much less likely to get hit by IEDs. I blame this on Mulroney and Chretien and the way they handled the military in the 90s. But, our past problems aside, it's a slap in the face to have allies with the equipment we desperately need refusing to help us because there is some risk to their pilots.

Hopefully this isn't just empty threats. If our allies can't even help us, then I'm afraid I can't support the mission any longer.


Mary
said

Everyone forgets that our men & women in uniform choose to sign up for military service knowing full well they are being trained to fight in wars and may, sadly, lose their lives. Some actually volunteer! Lets get behind our men & women & support them 100%. Making cheap political points off this crisis is wrong!


Chris from Calgary
said

To Dan/ PPCLI (ret.):

Isn't it funny to see how two ex-Patricias have such different views on this subject? NATO HAS hung us out to dry. There's no two-ways about it, Dan.


Peter
said

One of my army buddies that came back from Afghanistan told me that the Afghan police are police during the day and taliban fighters at night. How are we supposed to win this war ?


Peace
said

Let's bring our soldiers back!! I think there are better ways to help the Afghan people. Canada could spend these billions of dollars (cost of the war) in food, hospitals and schools for the Afghan people instead. Since when has war been our business?? Canada is a humanitarian country. Bring back our Peace Keepers and our international image! These Conservativates are destroying everything Canada stands for!


Peacekeeping myth
said

Canada does not have a good peacekeeping heritage. Maybe we did in the 60s or 70s but definitely not now.
Why is it with you Liberals there's always a large gulf between what you think we do and what our actual record as a country is?
We've been the loser cousin in NATO for years, mostly under Chrétien. We need force and weapons in order to do the humanitarian part in Afghanistan.

Ron MacDougall
said

I regret the pro militarization of our media and apposing viewpoints do not get enough coverage.

The insideous march towards a world dominated by economic greed and militarism needs to be stopped.

The worst thing is the rich and powerfull slaughtering and pillaging the poor and destitute under the pretext of freedom, democracy, terrorism etc. etc. Lets return to humanity.

The deaths of 78 soldiers and a diplomat are, sadly well know.
A report shows that the full cost of the war will be $7.2billon by March 2008.(less well known)

That means that we are spending $100 millon every month on the war in Afghanistan.

Surprisingly, the goverment is prolonging Afghanistan's suffering by clinging to our combat role and refusing to support a negotiated end to the war.



Boggy
said

ummm, Peace...I hate war as much as anyone, but to say "since when has war been our business?" is absolutely out to lunch. WWI, WWII, Korean War, Gulf War, ... Canda has had some of the best soldiers on earth and fought in many wars as proof. As for spending the billions of dollars for schools, food, hospitals, ..that is being done. But if the soldiers are not there to protect them, the Taliban would destroy them or use them as terrorist training camps. Please put a bit of thought into something this serious. I guess for some people it's ok for us in this country to have all the freedoms and peace. But when it comes to helping others, we sit and watch from the sidelines. Those women and children are actually haveing a life now. Showing their faces without fear of death. Think bepfre spitting out solutions that make no sense at all.


TOM G.
said

I don't think anything our PM does will make everyone happy,but their seems to be a certain group of people out there that will never be pleased until their own personal agenda is met.The most amazing thing is these same people with the my way or the highway thinking would never get the chance to sound off if it wasn't for our brave men and women in uniform.
Mr Harper was elected to do a tough job let him do it.
God Bless CANADA


Stu Maj. (retd)
said

Peter: "One of my army buddies that came back from Afghanistan told me that the Afghan police are police during the day and taliban fighters at night. How are we supposed to win this war ?"

I hope you weren't surprised. Our 22 year-olds are beig killed to make Afghanistan a 'better place' for their 22-year-old opium farmers. It's ridiculous. Chalk up another soldier and member of a military line of soldiers who says let's exit this debacle.



Paul out West
said

Harper says he can't make a decision on the Manley report. It's only 40 pages, how long does it take to read, digest it and decide. Make a decision, we stay or we get out. My preference, it's time for Canada to withdraw its "fighting forces" and get back to the United Nations mdandated mission, which by the way is not combat in South Afghanistan. Canada should follow the UN mandate and get out of the south and concentrate on diplomacy and doing what we do best, i.e. is teaching people how to live life instead of extinguishing life. The more you fight and kill the more intolerant the population of Afghanistan becomes, the Preident of Afghanistan said as much. CANADA LEAVE NOW (Feb 2009), WE DID OUT BIT. Leave NATO to fight its battle with another and Canada get back to the UN mission.


Joe
said

Harper has had heartaches over this War? Like Suharto over East Timor. Afghanistan has won this invasion hands down. The vinyl and nylon business for human remains pouches is at an all time high.


John Specter: Oromocto
said

Despite the propaganda, Canadian soldiers are irrelevent in the long term in Afganistan. Canadian soldiers's lives wasted to appease the militarists. The USA could drop an extra 50 thousand troops into Afghanistan if they thought it in their interest. They could start a draft and drop in a millon...10 million.

NO, Canada was not attacked on 9/11. By participation in a military role we've taken our diplomatic cards off the table...where we may have had some actually impact and this current not Mickey Mouse military pretension.

Re the comments on Nato. I did two tours in Europe. The Soviets were a formidable force to be stopped with military presence. The Afghan fighters, whoever they are, pose ZERO threat to me or my family.

Sarakdelal
said

After 6 years 98% of Canadias could not point Afghanistan out on a map. Being there is ridiculous and no more than appeasement to some antiquated alliance that is not in our interest in the 21st century. Who exactly are these Afghanis we are helping to kill? It's THEIR country and WE are the invaders.


Dave in Surrey
said

I applaud the Prime Minister, for ignoring his own Minister of Defense and letting the Liberals tell him what to do...

The only way for Harper to get anything right, is to let the Liberals tell him how and what to do...

Maybe he should Fire Mackay and appoint Ignatieff as Minister of Defense, then fire Bernier and appoint Rae as Minister of Foreign Affairs, then we wouldn't have to waste our money on a report to know what the Liberals have decided is the best course of action!!!


steve I. C.
said

Peacekeeping myth:
We need force and weapons in order to do the humanitarian part in Afghanistan.

I hope you are not a religious man because with an attitude like that you would give the worst impression of what a religious institution stands for and preaches, and I challenge anyone that is religious to rationalize those thoughts to your god on your day of judgement.

For all those that like to compare past wars with this war, I think it would fare to say that never has violence solved anything, and if violence was the solution then why don't we teach our children to solve their problems?




justin from ontario
said

To Anna
"For all of those Liberals and NDP ers who want to see the Afghanistan mission fail, what was the misson that the Liberals committed us to in the first place?"

For three years before Harper took office, we had very few casualties, since he has taken office we have added 65+ names to that list. We went from a security force to a offensive force, thats not what Canada signed on for. Lets take a look back to 2001.....after 9-11 the US govt. said to the Taliban give us Osama Bin Laden or we will attack you! they wouldnt, so the US attacked. If they would have given up Bin Laden they wouldnt of attacked Afghanistan. Nobody would of cared about the plight of the Afghan people, the lack of womens rights and so on. Even the right wing war-mongers who continue to post ridiculous comments on this board. The foreign policy we have followed since than has been nothing but detrimental to Canada and the rest of the world, you dont fight terrorism with terrorism.




May
said

The US, after much prodding from Canada to send more troops to southern Afghanistan, is still only committing itself to 3200 soldiers for seven months. How much support can we expect from the US after that?
General Hillier stated on January 10th, 2008 that although Canada signed a 3.2 billion dollar contract for the supply of new helicopters in 2004, because of delays the helicopters will not arrive for at least another 30 months. In the meantime the government is spending several thousand dollars a day to maintain their aging fleet. Canada is spending billions of dollars in the war effort, not to mention the loss of lives of our young soldiers, and the US has for the most part stayed away from the most violent action in southern Afghanistan. If the super power of the world will only commit extra troops for seven months, I don't understand why the Canadian Government doesn't pull our troops out at the same time. We were asked to support the US in this war, but where have they been??? I say, dedicate our troops to seven more months and then bring our men and women home. As for the billions of dollars worth of new helicopters on order, Canada is stuck with a bill for military expenses that arrived too late. Canada has done it's part and it's time for others to step up to the plate.


Boggy
said

First off, Justin you are wrong. When this mission started the Liberals stood up in Pariament and told Canadians that there would be heavy casualties. Maybe you were sleeping or simply forgot as most lefties do.
Second of all, May...get your facts straight. The Americans are putting that many more in there for 7 months. The have thousands of troops there and have had over 400 casualties in Afghanistan alone. So please don't twist your liberal agenda ok? How can anyone take you seriously if you simply forget to tell the facts and make up your own! This mission is backed by the UN and NATO, and you better believe that your good 'ol Dion will back it again. There is no way the Liberal party won't back Harper. They would be abandoning their own legacy of the type of party they are.


Disappointed
said

I'm guessing it took Harper all of 3 seconds after promising to withdraw our troops by 2009 to order a report stating that the troops should be kept there longer. He lied to us. Of course he approves of Manley's report; he never intended for us to be out by 2009. I'm starting to feel a bit like our neighbours to the south.


Johnny
said

I am laying my cards on the table and telling that I am a Harper supporter, so you know where I am coming from.

I hate the idea that anyone is losing their lives over this issue, but the fact is that the United States was attacked by Al Qaeda forces seven years ago. Many of the terrorists who were responsible for those attacks were trained in terrorist camps in Afghanistan.

In my opinion it is intolerable that a country should be allowed to continuously harbour terrorists, and so action had to be taken.

I would further add that it was the Liberals who sent our troops into the Kandahar province, and not Harper. Many Liberals voted to extend the mission as well.

This war is not Harper's fault, and nor is it Dion's, but they have a collective responsibility to see this through for our own security and for the security of the women and girls who were treated like cattle before the new government came to power.




larry
said

It seems pretty clear from Harpers comments that he intends to follow the main thrust of the Manley report and press the other NATO members to send troops and transport, or we will pull back. Judging from his past actions, I expect he will move this position forward.
The report also recommends better communication of the mission... and I would say that 'part' of this problem is the media phobia over reporting on casualties and focusing on the opposition comments, and not bringing forward success stories.
I certainly hope that we and NATO stay to protect the innocents and to keep the extremists tied down over their.


Been There - Done That
said

As someone that has actually particiapted in Op Medusa at the pointy end (read part of our combat troops) it's sad to see that what was once called an act that saved NATO (success of Op Medusa) might now be for nothing in a bureaucratic environment with opposition parties knit picking at something that is right - to help others and to provide a safer environment for those that can't defend themselves. As an international leader in global affairs, Canada has a responsibility to act. It is even sader that other NATO participants are not willing or capable to take their turn as a sign of loyalty and partnership. However, I must honestly say that under the Harper administration, I, as a soldier (still serving), feel that he has provided the best leadership and support for our military since I've been in the CF (over 20 years now). If NATO can't to their collectivfe duty, I certainly hope that PM Harper lets us finish our job we started back in 2002. Remember, winning an insurgency takes time and unfortunately not suited for fast food paced western democracies. Give it time. The cause is certainly worth it, especially when you see the direct result of people you have helped. My 2 cents.


brenda
said

Didn't it seem strange to anyone that half the Liberals didn't even show up in question period today? I don't think Dion has the support of his own people!


Mr. T (Cdn Forces)
said

I am glad to see that somebody has had the courage to support this mission and make positive recomendations. I don't think much of the public realize how important it is to make this region stable for our own wives, mothers and childern. I remember heading over shortly after 9/11 and all of the western world was behind the government 100%. I know it's hard to lose Canadians across the ocean, but remember as Canadian Soilders, Sailors, and Airmen / women we have decided to play this role for our country. Because if that region continues to head down the path it was prior to 9/11 all of us will have to worry about the safety back home. One thing I never understood is why everyone looks at the negatives in life, Me personally would like to thank this government for supplying us with better equipment, clothing, and allowing us to feel proud about our jobs in the military. If we turn our backs now it won't be long before they are over here.


Allan Eizinas
said

"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know." - Abraham Lincoln


Greg
said

I agree if the US would mind it's own business the world would be better off. If anything Afghanistan was a justified mission and worth doing. The regime allowed terrorists to train and plan their attacks so whatever they get they deserve. If the US had of stayed focussed on this mission instead of running off to Iraq it would be over now.

Also I don't think democracy can be forced on any people. It is something that the people must decide and fight for or it does not have any meaning.

I sometime think in these tribal regions that maybe it takes a dictator with an iron hand to keep the peace.




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