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Date: Thu. Jan. 17 2008 7:35 PM ET

One day after he was quoted saying NATO troops aren't effectively fighting the Taliban in southern Afghanistan, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates praised the nations doing battle against insurgents in the country.

He downplayed a Wednesday article in the L.A. Times that quoted him directly as saying, "I'm worried we have some military forces that don't know how to do counterinsurgency operations ... Most of the European forces, NATO forces, are not trained in counterinsurgency."

He appeared to back-pedal from that position on Thursday.

"This does not reflect reality or I believe the views of our governments," Gates said during a news conference.

"As I said before the House Armed Services Committee last month, allied forces from the United Kingdom, Canada, the Netherlands, Australia, Denmark and other nations have stepped up to the plate and are playing a significant and powerful role in Afghanistan."

He said NATO soldiers have pushed the Taliban from strongholds in the south, fighting in grueling conditions and taking casualties. As a result the Taliban "no longer holds real estate of any consequence," he said.

Gates didn't suggest he was misquoted in the article, but said he was speaking about challenges faced by NATO as a whole -- and not specific nations.

He said NATO as an institution still has shortcomings and needs to adapt to current fighting strategies, something the U.S. has also dealt with.

"We have to acknowledge the reality that the alliance as a whole has not trained for counter-insurgency operations even though individual countries have considerable expertise at and success in this arena," Gates said.

Gates mentioned Canada several times, saying he telephoned Defence Minister Peter MacKay on Wednesday to clarify his comments and express his respect and appreciation for Canada's sacrifice.

Canadian Reaction

Prime Minister Stephen Harper downplayed the remarks on Thursday. Speaking in Prince Albert, Sask., he insisted that U.S. officials support the work Canada is doing in Afghanistan and both military and non-military officials have always expressed appreciation and confidence for the Canadian Forces.

MacKay also downplayed the reports about Gates' comments, pleading on Wednesday for cooler heads to prevail and insisting that in two recent conversations with Gates, the U.S. defence secretary "lauded Canadian forces" and their efforts in the region.

But NDP leader Jack Layton said Thursday the controversy may be the last straw that tips Canadian opinion away from supporting the Afghan mission beyond its current mandate.

"I think Canadians, just as they rose up and spoke around the war in Iraq -- ultimately provoking Mr. Chretien to do the right thing at the last moment on the eve of the invasion -- the Canadian people need to speak out now," Layton said.

"We can change the direction of Canadian foreign policy."

Scott Taylor, editor of Esprit de Corps magazine, told CTV's Canada AM on Thursday morning that Gates needed to make a public apology.

"I think it deserves more than just a phone call between him and Peter MacKay. If you've made a public condemnation of NATO troops, then Mr. Gates needs to come out and make a public apology to the Canadian forces and to other allies of NATO," Taylor said Thursday.

He suggested the U.S. is in no position to be criticizing Canada's commitment to Afghanistan, considering the Canadian Forces have stepped in to take a leading role in the mission when the U.S. shifted its focus to Iraq, leaving few resources in Afghanistan.

"The Americans have let this thing sit and stew and have left a very minimal amount of troops on the ground in Kandahar from 2002 to 2005. the Taliban regrouped and then they handed this thing off to NATO knowing that it was a mess," Taylor said.

Quick Facts

Secretary Gates joined the Central Intelligence Agency in 1966 and spent nearly 27 years as an intelligence professional, serving six presidents. During that period, he spent nearly nine years at the National Security Council, The White House, serving four presidents of both political parties.

--whitehouse.gov

"Now they're saying it's our fault for letting this thing degenerate and we don't know what we're doing. As opposed to what? The Americans in Iraq?"

We're 'pulling our weight': U.S. ambassador

The top American diplomat in Canada denied that the U.S. had reduced its military commitment in Afghanistan. U.S. Ambassador to Canada David Wilkins said the U.S. has 30,000 troops in the country and another 3,200 will arrive in the spring.

"We're certainly pulling our weight, as is Canada, as is Britain, and several of the NATO allies," Wilkins told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live.

A former Canadian military commander in Kabul said it may be premature to predict long term troop commitments by the Americans. Retired Col. Mike Chapstick noted that in 2005 and 2006, the Americans were considering reducing their troop numbers.

"There are 3,200 committed for seven months, and I think we should take that as it is," Chapstick said.

NATO allies on Wednesday reacted with surprise and disbelief to Gates' comments. The Dutch Defence Ministry summoned the U.S. ambassador for an explanation.

In Ottawa, Liberal defence critic Denis Coderre demanded the Tory government either call in the U.S. ambassador to Canada or seek a clarification from Gates.

Coderre said at the very least, the comments smack of insensitivity in light of the death of a Canadian soldier north of Kandahar on Wednesday.

Patchwork of NATO duties in Afghanistan

CTV Washington Bureau Chief Tom Clark told Mike Duffy Live that the American officials are saying behind the scenes they are frustrated that there is a patchwork among the allied nations about how they are carrying out their duties in Afghanistan. Clark said that, for example, the Dutch are far less aggressive in their approach than the Canadians. He pointed out that some European allies are hamstrung about what they can do militarily by legislation at home.

"You can call this a classic Washington gaffe. (Gates) spoke the truth by mistake," Clark said.

He said the Americans are highlighting apparent successes in the eastern part of Afghanistan where U.S. troops are present.

Chapstick noted, however, that the American attempt to distinguish successes and shortcomings of various military forces in different parts of Afghanistan is a mistake.

"I think the biggest mistake (Gates) made was making an unfavourable comparison between the NATO troops in southern Afghanistan and the American troops in Eastern Afghanistan," said Chapstick.

"In the first place, both of those sets of troops operate to an American commander (in Kabul) ... and it's his headquarters' responsibility to try to get these troops marching on the same line and the same direction."

Chapstick also noted that British and Canadian troops do not have the legal limitations placed on some European countries and do.

"They are out of the camp. They're on patrol all the time. We had another seven wounded this morning outside the wire," he said.

Chapstick said the controversy should point to the need for a greater and more coordinated plan for Afghanistan.

Gates' reported comments came to light the day after Washington authorized the deployment this spring of more marines to Afghanistan after failing to convince European countries to provide reinforcements. Most of the U.S. troops will be deployed to the south to strengthen NATO forces there ahead of an expected increase of Taliban and insurgent activity with the spring thaw.

A U.S. military analyst says Gates was likely showing his frustration about an overstretched American military fighting on two fronts -- in Afghanistan and Iraq. Bruce Riedel, who has been a presidential adviser and CIA officer, said Gates may be uneasy about the fact that he does not have the resources to fight insurgencies in the two countries effectively.

"Gates's comments to some extent reflect his frustration that he doesn't have a very good solution to this problem," Riedel said.

But Riedel said that his comments may have made the situation even worse.

"He made it harder for our NATO allies to explain to their constituencies what's going on," Riedel said.

"Criticizing the allies for allegedly underperforming in Afghanistan is not likely to encourage better performance."

Seventy-seven Canadian soldiers and a Canadian diplomat have died in Afghanistan since 2002.

Comments are now closed for this story

Jim
said

I don't think a public apology is too much to ask for, given the circumstances here. If Peter MacKay had made negative comments about the US - you can rest assured that the Americans, and even Canada - would demand nothing less.

Kudos to Mr MacKay for keeping his cool here.


norm
said

Maybe if he thinks we are doing such a bad job, we can bring our men and women home, and let the Yanks take over


J-F (Ottawa)
said

He can take back his initial comments until he's blue in the face, it won't change what he said or make it right.

People's first opinions are usually the honest ones, I don't buy his rebuttal.


Thomas in Halifax
said

Politicians always say what they mean first, then apologize later. Bring our troops home and let the Americans clean up their own mess.


Ed Landser
said

Why are Canadians so sensitive to this criticism? Surely all the NATO soldiers in Afghanistan have areas in which they could improve, unless they are willing to state they are perfect. The Taliban is still there. I wouldn't expect Canada to be 100% successful in an unfamiliar role any more than anyone else. Time to suck it up, put egos aside, and for everyone - Canada and the US included - to work on improving combat capability and keep bringing the fight to the enemy. Kudos to the US for being willing to state the emperor has no clothes.


Michele
said

I agree with J-F (Ottawa),
if Gates actually believed that then he would have not said it to begin with.


DCR - Toronto
said

I am sure that Gates did not mean that other countries are not holding their own. Adding another 3200 Marines in the south will be an effective contribution. I think that this will help in pushing the Taliban further back, and more reconstruction can take place.

FreakAlert
said

Where's the indignation, MacKay and Harper?!? We're waiting for you to speak.


Lorne
said

Mr. Gates is an idiot and has lost all credibility. No retraction of his statement will make any difference.
The damage is done.
Nato troops, with the exception of the U.S troops, now have a complete understanding of what the U.S thinks of them. They are just a pawn in the U.S war agression.
Canada should began the pullout of it's troops immediately and have this completed by the date that was we were committed to the pullout.


Kurt
said

Who cares what anyone thinks of us. We all know we are doing a great job for those who need us. Thats why we are who we are. -Canadians-

Let them blab all the want.


steve I. C.
said

This seems forced and is the final straw. I have had enough of the Americans and the Canadians that are so quick to defend them. This isn't the first time Canada has been criticized by American's who think we are not doing enough.

I do appreciate the Americans who are on our side and have stated that this is not the American people speaking but the ignorant politicians. And its to bad are government submits to this kind of treatment, it shows we have no back bone and we are willing to let the Americans walk all over us and encourages more of this kind of abuse.

More and more Canadians are sick of this unneighborly treatment by the US and if you are a Canadian that has no problem rolling over for the Americans than we are sick of you to. Where's the Canadian Pride.


Vince
said

It is simply over blown hype. If any other memberstate of NATA had said that the agency is not adapted, or equiped to fight this type of battle, he would not have this back lash. I read the comments, and they like other familiar comments made before, that NATO was not designed to do this type of mission. In fact, I believe people made this type of comment when NATO went in. And it has already be published, that many Euros are keeping back and safe, not wanting to get in the fight.
Not a big deal, and the people reacting to it, are actually reacting to the 30 second sound bite. I personnaly never allow reports to summarize anything to me, and I don't form opinions from the sound bite news.




David from NS
said

Gates was right, the mistake he made was not excluding the UK, Canada and the Netherlands from the criticism. Where is the rest of NATO. We should be echoing his sentiments now that he has clarified.


Iami Iamme
said

With all due respect to the parents and loved ones…of Canadian Soldiers who are killed in the Afghanistan war…caused by “IED” bombs…would it be better justified or acceptable, if they were killed by Laser guided bombs or GPS controlled Howitzer Cannon shells instead?
It’s a War...and people try to kill each other by any means possible. It seems too convenient, that when the causalities are ours “NATO” that we immediately want to re-write the Geneva Convention in order to black list IEDs.
George W. Bush recently said; “Iran is a security risk”….I beg to differ however….I rather think, that through the most recent wars, waged by the USA and or NATO we are in fact the culprits of creation in the “security risk” on ourselves.
Support the TROOPS bring em home!



Bert Couture
said

Bert ( Dartmouth )
Lets get the troops out and leave NATO! What a waste of lives and money. Let the yanks handle their own problems. They are in Irag for the oil and guest what is in the north of Afghanistan eh! OIL


Colin
said

That comment he made yesterday really ticked me off. As a current member in the CF I put a lot of sweat and fought hard and seen the members of my unit fight hard for 6 months straight during deployment.... How dare he say NATO nations haven't been stepping up to the plate.


RB
said

ISAF

"International Security Assistance Force"

Canada is there as part of a Nato force to assist the people of Afghanistan....and by the way are doing a hell of job!



Scott Hobbs
said

Starting to realize this message forum is filled with hypocrites... Canadians think nothing of criticizing every single thing the USA does. It's in the media, in dinner conversations, and in virtually every aspect of our lives. We have been critiquing our southern neighbours since we became a nation... and unfortunately we have gotten so good at it, we no longer even see our own criticism.

Blaise
said

I'm sick of apologies and asking people to make apologies. He said what he thought...fine. I do not like forcing people to apologize for saying what they really think ("A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still" is an old saying that is still valid).

Let's be mature. We know what Canadian and other troops are doing. We know that France and Germany are keeping their soldiers in safe areas of Afghanistan. Gates said nothing about them that Canadians haven't said themselves.


Peter
said

I would like to see him do better. At least our country is not sending home 5000 soldiers in bodies bags like the Americans. I think NATO has done a far better job than the US has ever done. It's obvious they couldn't do better and put Canada in charge.



Cheryl
said

Why are we so shocked at the comments? The Americans have treated allied forces with disdain since Sept 11th. Bring our troops home. The US created this mess. They can clean it up.


Michele
said

So the Dutch asked for an apology; what does our government do? We defend the Americans!



freedom lover
said

Conservative MP in Britain called the Gates comment "Bloody outrageous!"

Peter MacKay, incapable of courage, refuses to criticize anyone he fears ranks above him.

By his refusal to support the troops, he is a disgrace to Canada.


Soldier
said

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones! The US created this mess in the first place. Had they fininshed the job they started when they aided Afghan nationals in defeating the Soviets, Afghanistan would be a different story today (Just go see "Charlie Wilson's War" for a quick history lesson), and now they have the gall to criticize those who help them!


tom
said

No need for Harper / MacKay to freak out. Kudos to them.


larry
said

I'm thankful for the maturity coming from Mr. MacKay and Mr. Harper for not running off at the mouth and adding fuel to the fire.

Mr. Gates has now clarified 'what he meant' and so this non-story should hopefully die. Spats among allies happens sometimes and perhaps some good will come of it. For instance I suspect NATO could use more counter insurgency training and this may make it take place. As well, Mr. Gates has had his fingers burned here and so he will likely be more sensitive about what he says in the future.

Ken Warren
said

One day after Gates criticized NATO Forces he back-tracked and praised them. I'd like to see a story on who in the U.S. Government took him to task and what they said to him. Did they privately think like Gates and were just mending fences? Do they recognize how they themselves screwed up by pulling so many men out of Afghanistan in order to bolster their efforts in Iraq? Do they genuinely recognize how effectively the Canadian soldiers are handling their responsibilities?


Recently Retired Soldier
said

Having served 22 years in the CF as an infantry soldier, I know that Canada has the best trained troops in the world. As we are very humble we don't go around looking for praise and "pats" on the back. We just "slog on" in some of the dirtiest, harshest,brutal places in the world.
It was good to see the American Secretary of Defence set the record straight.
As for an apology, we don't need one, we know how good we are!

Once a Patricia always a Patricia. IIVP


dk
said

A responsible President would have fired Mr. Gates for the comments he made but the USA does not have a responsible President. As for comments from our government, Mr MacKay did a good job of keeping his cool. What else would matter?


Frank
said

IT seems to be a standard with Americans, shot first and apologize later, such is the case with Gates.This man was appointed by Bush who is much the same, WE will rid of these two this year.


Sean Calder
said

"Gates' reported comments came to light the day after Washington authorized the deployment of 3,200 U.S. marines to Afghanistan in April after failing to convince European countries to provide reinforcements."

This is WHY they were unable to convince European countries to provide reinforcements. Because they knew that if they stalled long enough, the US would send in more and they wouldn't have to. And I find that disgusting in the First Order.

Jay
said

The problem is that Gates is partially correct, the NATO team is not necessarily trained well for counter-insurgency warfare.


John
said

I wonder how many of the people making comments went to the LA Times web-site and actuallly read the article as I did? This whole incident has been blown far far out or proportion. He was saying what is true, we in NATO, and he included the US, are not trained in COIN as much as we should be. For those of us in the Forces, we know how much all members of the US military respect, value and praise our service personnel. To let the rhetoric of a newspaper get to this point is beyonf believe.

If the US was not happy with our performance, why is it that they constantly have been letting us (the Canadian Forces) get equipment we require, ahead of their own military...for example the M777 155 howitzers, the C-117 Globemaster, etc?

nate
said

As Canadians we are being our usual sensitive selves...Gates meant what he said, otherwise he wouldn't have said it. If Americans spent as much time critizing us as we criticize them, they'd be all over us. If NATO isn't doing the job, it's not doing the job. Good for Gates for making the tough calls. Time to wake-up NATO!


freedom lover
said

Apparently everyone respects the Canadian Forces except the US Secretary of Defense and the Canadian Minister of Defense.


Imre Torma
said

Doesn't anyone feel like we are being treated like janitors. We clean up the American's S#!+ and we get criticized. Bring home the troops NOW or change their role to peace keepers / peace makers NOW!!!!!!!!

Let's stop being a PARTY to this OIL/POWER insanity game of the BUSH regime!!


Brad B
said

He's not backpeddling, he's trying to clarify his CORRECT comments. How much training do NATO forces do in COIN ops? Anyone?? Sure, some countries do some training, but most have/are learning as they go along; fortunately, they are, for the most part, learning well.
For those that wanted an apology, accept this, even though it's a clarification, not an apology. Don't use this as an excuse to dis the US or their Forces.


mike
said

j-k your right the cat is out of the bag, it's hard to take things back. He should have put his brain in gear before his mouth.-


JD
said

As a former member of the CDN Armed Forces, I do not take offense to what was said. Gates was correct in saying NATO soldiers are not trained in conterinsugency. And this is why:

This conflict is like no other we have faced in the past. The enemy we are fighting now, has no remorse they do not care who's life they take let it be a NATO soldier or an innocent citizen of Afghanistan, as long as lives are taken it's mission accomplished for them. We are not fighting a traditional army, these terrorists do not wear a uniform, they blend in with the general population, walk amongst the citizens of Afghanistan. So NATO's job is a very difficult one.


Michalina
said

Canada's troops are still untrained, underfunded, obsolete equipment to do a man's job in Afghanistan


lisa
said

How do people with hardly any advanced technology or sophisticated weaponry become so much of threat that so many developed nations have to come in to stop them!!! and can't even get the job done... Bring the troops home..this is a western developed war against the third world - But again, histroy speaks for itself. Gates needs a new job..... ship him off to the frontlines or any adult children he has- lets see his big talk then.


Jerry
said

And just how effective were the Americans when they bombed our Canadian troops in Afghanistan killing and maiming them? How short their memory is.


Hercule
said

Is it any wonder that the United States government (as opposed to its citizens) is so reviled around the world?


kathy
said

I can understand his concern, but there is a diplomatic way of showing this concern, talk to the people before criticizing.
It takes all my strengh to keep supporting all cause of humanitary support when critics are ruled buy ploiticians and money makers. I believe the majority off the world just want to live a life of acceptancie on who they are.


Josh
said

Firstly we are there to help the Afghanis’, not just for the yanks. Second, if you actually pause and consider Gates's comments, you will find that he does not mean to insult anyone. In fact, what he is saying has an air of truth, we ARE having difficulty combating the insurgency… if you haven’t noticed.


Shoe
said

Too little too late.
His REAL thoughts emerged in his comments yesterday.


Canuck in Seattle
said

The war in Iraq is a sad mistaken disaster with no good conclusion or outlook.

To compare that travesty to the situation in Afghanistan is complete ignorance. I think the Bush government is the worst in US history. However I think Harper is doing a very good job all in all. Equating Bush to Harper is as stupid and mistaken as comparing Iraq to Afganhistan.


Mike Webster
said

What John says is correct. Read what he said people....the comments have been blown way out of proportion and taken completely out of context. Evidently, given the chane to vent anti-American garbage, some people will never let the facts get in their way. The same goes for the twits who fantasize that this mission is some sort of "American agression" or "American imperialism". This war was started by the terrorists, not the Americans and not NATO. Get a grip.


John
said

In response to Michalina's
"Canada's troops are still untrained, underfunded, obsolete equipment to do a man's job in Afghanistan"

Right now Canadian soldiers are the most highly trained in the world for this mission. Members of the US military as well as other nations come to Canada to observe how we train for Afghanistan. In addition, we are the best equipped soldiers of all the NATO forces, including the US, in Afghanistan. I am referring to the soldiers, not the lack of helicopters. Two different issues.

Paul
said

Gates had better apologize to Canada----and specifically to the families of the soldiers our country has sacrificed. But there are other NATO countries who are not taking up the fight like they should.


Nick J Boragina
said

Any less and we should be going home. If they dont like the job we are doing, they can do it themselvs. From the comments here, I dont think I'm alone in feeling that way. Thankfully Gates got his political heels out of the mud on this one. He's lucky he did not get benched for this one.


Paul Hansen
said

Mr. Gates has apologised. As an adult I accept apologies when given. No one can read the sincerity of apologies so they should be taken at face value. In defence of Mr. McKay, apparently he contacted the Americans immediately to ask for an explanation. Again, that is a reasonable and mature response.
Mr. Gates claims he was taken out of context, none of us were there do we know?
To all the fervent American haters and their ilk, same old same old.


Duane Ransome
said

Under the NATO alliance when a member country is attacked other countries are obliged to protect it. The US was attacked on Sept. 11th, 2001 by a terrorist network mainly harboured in Afghanistan. European countries have not responded in unison. Is this the kind of NATO commitment Canada can expect if our Peace Tower or the CN Tower is bombed? I would want to hunt them down and kill them if this was done to us, so I don't blame the Americans for wanting the same. The one area that I do place great blame on them for is taking troops out of Afghanistan to go on the Saddam Hussein witch-hunt through Iraq. Very poor judgement, but NATO needs to take a more firm position on protecting allied nations. If they all had, maybe Afghanistan would be 5 years ahead of where it is right now.


Jessica
said

Solders from Canada, Britain and the Netherlands are in southern Afganistan, putting their lives on the line, day in and day out for the U.S. If ex CIA, Secretary of Defense Dr. Gates really feels NATO Forces are that bad and are hindering the process then I say get them the HELL out of there.
As for Harper's and MacKay's responses, Bush will be out of office soon, enough with lap dog act already!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND BRING 'EM HOME


Looking
said

Gates should learn when to shut his mouth. I'd say pull out of the region, let the yanks do the work and screw their economy even more. I gotta tell ya though, the yanks are lucky to have friends like us cause we won't do that to ya. I don't think we'd do that to anyone who can't manage their own mess. We still have some morals left.


ScottS
said

Boy, can't anyone have a slip of the tongue nowadays and not get slammed for it? We all do it! I guess it's just all the politically correct mushrooms that think they are so perfect and take this as an opportunity to get their little stab at the USA as usual. Grow up, and get your head out of the sand, and use some common sense for a change.


Dan Ire
said

I agree with most all here. But, that's America. We all know what Bush wants.
Our Canadian troops and all the troops are very brave men and women. And I do agree, that it must be very difficult to fight the taliban.
Why doesn't the UN make a deal with them. Get rid of the poppies and grow hemp crops instead. There are hundreds of uses for this product. That way they can keep their land and live in peace and still make a living. And we can bring the troops home.
There ia always a better road to follow ,than war.
These people do need the worlds help. Just start doing it a different way...


Exiled Canadian
said

Amazing how the anti-U.S. crowd act like children. "Look what Bobby said. Say you're sorry Bobby or I'm going to yell!!!"

Grow up people. It was a misinterpreted comment and it was probably put by the L.A. Times in context where it would be misinterpreted since we all know how "supportive" they are of the Bush administration.

This required nothing more than MacKay calling and asking if he really said that. Done deal. Cooler heads prevailed. The Liberals tried to run it into a big scandal. Business as usual....

Move on.


Lance
said

It's good to see people finally waking up to this phony war.

Bring our kids home and send our politicians instead,...and watch how fast it all ends,...


Colin
said

If the U.S. had concentrated on Afghanistan like they should have in the first place, instead of stupidly invading Iraq to fight Bush's so-called "war on terror", maybe NATO wouldn't even need to be in Afghanistan at all!


Golf Compnay Grunt
said

>>>Peter
I would like to see him do better. At least our country is not sending home 5000 soldiers in bodies bags...>>>

Neither are the Americans. Get your figures straight before you go aimlessly blabbing away. It is 3,926 as of the 16th of January, 2008.

I can tell you first hand that the regretful comments made by Secretary Gates does not reflect the opinions of the U.S. military. They have nothing but the highest praise for Canadian military personnel, and rightfully so.

"Pro Patria"





vince collins
said

The usual anti-US crap from the usual anti-US sources. Canadian inferiority complex.


Stephanie Pickering
said

Considering the absolute mess the States have made in Iraq, the fact they could not be doing a worse job if they tried and have almost completely pulled out of Afgh I would say they are in zero position to criticize anyone. Progress has been made in Afgh and none in Iraq. The rest of the world should be voicing the same criticism towards the States.


DavidL
said

He's right. Successive social-liberal Gov't's have turned the Canadian military into a bunch of UN babysitters who weren't allowed to fire on anyone. Does Rwanda ring a bell? Our military had to sit by and watch the bloodbath, without doing any intervention. So, we get some new equipment, a new purpose for our troops, and send them to Afghanistan and suddenly we are experts in counter-insurgency and are offended by his comments?? Please people, get off your high horse's. Gates is correct. We are a military in training and have very little experience in counter-insurgency.


Ralph
said

I'm not a big Liberal fan but thumbs up to Denis Coderre for demanding Gates be held accountable


Mike Macdonald
said

Who cares what Gates, or any American for that matter, thinks about the counterinsurgency abilities of other countries? The Americans themselves are a long way from being experts. The only way the Americans can win ANY conflict is if it requires a big hammer. They did such a fine job in Korea and Vietnam, perhaps they should recall some of the Veterans from those conflicts to show the present day administration what NOT to do.

Ian Pro-military
said

Ian writes;
The U.S. knows and appreciates Canada and the media will spin a stupid comment quick as light. The point that is true is that the Liberal Government cut the Canadian Military and caused a lot of experienced people to go elsewhere. The comment was aimed (rightly so) to places like France who again has shown its cowardous nature. The comment was poorly presented but the message was not.


Wayne
said

I just found out that this Gates guy is not a general with any combat experience he was director of the CIA ... good grief ..

W..Kirkwood
said

I think it is yet another case of the media blowing a statement out of all proportion. It is common knowledge our 'western military thinking' has been challenged in combatting terrorist warfighting, particularly in establishing timelines for success. This is not to say our soldiers are not doing an exemplary job.

TP
said

Proportionally, Canadian troops are dying at a faster rate in Afghanistan than the US troop in Iraq. I believe that part of the reason for this comes from poorly trained troops fighting with second-rate equipment.


Hugh
said

Anyone who has been truely following the conflict in Afghanistan (not just political party news releases) will recognize that Gates was really talking about countries like Germany, France, Italy, etc. The war on radical terrorism doesn't revolve around one news release from one person.


Ron - Dartmouth
said

So many comments agree with Gates. If he is correct and our troops are not trained in counter-insurgency, why are we there ? Bring the troops home and re-deploy them in an area of the world were they are trained to do the required work. Leave Afganistan to the Americans, who I presume Gates is suggesting, are the only ones trained in couner-insurgency. Not working too well in Iraq, eh !!


Mike Pottre
said

The man is a G.W. Bush appointee ; Who cares what he thinks or believes that his opinion is based on anything other than USA politics


Kevin L
said

His comments about our counterinsurgency abilities are correct. Besides the British do any of the major NATO contributors have counterinsurgency experience?


Michael Dorosh
said

In between the hysterical rants of misinformed reactionaries on this page, the truth can be found, mostly posted by professional soldiers. Mr. Gates made a reasonable assessment, and intended no offence to Canadians. Comparing Canadian casualties in Afghanistan to US casualties in Iraq is fatuous given the tiny size of our force in Afghanistan in comparison; were we to expand our commitment to several divisions as the US has, and put them in places as volatile as Iraq, the result would be the same. No point slagging our allies when everyone is suffering just the same. Further, counter-insurgency is relatively new to Canada. I am sure all the forces are learning lessons all the time and will continue to hone their skills. The US Army got very good at it in Vietnam and destroyed the Viet Cong completely - but still lost the war. Sometimes, brave soldiers simply aren't enough if politics there, at home, or in neighbouring countries (Cambodia in 1970, Pakistan today) aren't in your favour.


Nick
said

This revisionist history, blind hatred for the US and overall misconception about current events has got to stop.

First of all, the mistake is lost in translation that Mr. Gates was never attacking Canada's contribution, nor the UK's or the Dutch's. He was targeting the very known fact that NATO does not train properly in counter insurgency and nothing makes this more clear than A) the types of exercises held B) the commitment of resources to it.

Instead of using cooler heads, most people are crying foul based off of emotion and an improper understanding.

An apology is not necessary but clarification has clearly shown how most people have overreacted.

Finally, Charlie Wilson's War is not an acceptable resource for a quick history lesson.


Victoria
said

If Nato forces are not properly trained for counterinsurgency, then why are we training the Afghan Forces???? This makes no sense to me


Alexandra
said

I believe that Gates should appologize. I think all the Allied Countries stepped up to the plate. My fiance is over there since July and coming home very soon. The US should be happy that all of those Allies are there. I think they're doing a great job over there and I also believe in that our Troops should be coming home soon. Nothing will ever change over there. The Russians couldnt do it, and no one ever will. I am pretty sure things will go back to what they were once everyone leaves. This is not our war to fight, but I do support our troops. Too many got killed already.
There is no need to critize Nato. My fiance works with the ISAF therefore for Nato.
So an Appology would be the right thing to do.


Gerry
said

Get the story right! Gates said that Nato wasn't equipped or trained to deal with the tactics that the insurgents use. Nato troops were trained for conventional war. You guys flying off the handle looking for apologies or telling the Americans where to go need to get to the heart of the story and stop scanning the headlines.
By the way...our guys (Canadians) are doing a fantastic job!!!!


Coderre to the rescue!!
said

I think Gates shook in his boots when he heard Liberal Defence critic Denis Coderre was making waves and he capitulated! He threatened to send Stephane Dion after him on Washington and that convinced him to change his mind.


Lart from Above
said

It's the US that doesn't know how to fight insurgency. They failed in Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. They forgot the lessons that they taught the British in the 1770s: If you want to win in combat, don't stand your soldiers where the enemy is shooting.

The NATO force is acting under a collective treaty obligation to defend one of its members, the United States, from attack. This action complies with article 51 of the United Nations charter and was also specifically sanctioned by UN resolution 1386. Point being that Canada is in Afghanistan to help defend the United States from its enemies. Someone needs to remind the Americans who their real friends are, and their real enemies, because they don't seem to be able to figure this out.


BJ
said

Response to TP-
Canadian troops are some of the best trained and most disciplined troops in the NATO organization, if not the world. As for equipment, the hardware being used by the Canadian forces in Afghanistan is, in most cases, the envy of the other NATO partners! You do a disservice to our troops and their sacrifices by being ill-informed on the facts of this conflict.


Trudy
said

Hmmmmmmmm, how to get a Canadian public who don't want our troops in Afganistan mad enough to want them to stay in Afganistan. Nice try, US/Canadian politicians but we Canadians aren't so stupid as to fall for the trick. Why do we, the commenters have to do the presses job? Bring our troops home, NOW. Trudy


mitch
said

It is obvious he has no confidence in NATO forces, therefore maybe we should leave and let him (U.S.) do the job!


J-F (Ottawa)
said

After reading all the comments, its apparent there are two sides. Those who are insulted at the remark and those who think we are over-reacting.

How bout we ask the soldiers who are actually fighting at this very moment what they think...Those are the only opinions that should matter.

If they aren't bothered by it, then we should let it be, if they ARE offended, then we should take offense to the comments made and should expect an apology. THEY are the ones fighting for our freedom, their opinions are the only ones that matter.


Gary Ferringer
said

As a citizen of the United States I want to state first off that I have the utmost respect for Canada and its citizens. I have traveled many times to mainly Hamilton Ontario and surrounding areas on business and have enjoyed being in your country.

The comments made by Mr. Gates were not directed towards any country, but NATO as an organization. The younger people that were not around during the Cold War have to understand that NATO was created to fight off the huge Soviet Army in the event that they decided to take over Western Europe. Fighting terrorists is a completely different mission that I am not sure NATO is prepared to deal with yet. I believe that is what Mr. Gates was refering to. Our country obviously also needs to "Get with the Program" in this area as well, but we are learning as are all the NATO countries.


Ian
said

People are demanding that our Government turn this into a major diplomatic issue. I'm convinced that our government handled it correctly and with the usual tact that is a Canadian trait. If Gates had not made his retraction or whatever it was, then I think they should have taken it further, but as it stands I find it acceptable. To take the attitude that we should leave the Americans to go it alone if they don't like the job we're doing is a juvenile attitude and only harms the people of Afghanistan, not the Americans.


Linda
said

While Gates's comments were unfortunate, they were likely misinterpreted. I expected a clarification.
It's too bad so many people are overreacting to the nonsense, or using it to futher their anti American predjudices for political reasons.
This is a NATO mission. NOT an American mission. They are still contributing more than anyone else, in case some have not noticed.
I'm no fan of Mr. Bush or Mr. Harper. But if we are going to agrue, the least we could do is be honest with the facts and not take our lead from people like Stephane Dion or "Taliban Jack".

Colin
said

I'm always struck by the comment that we should focus on peacekeeping or peacemaking instead of what we're doing over there now.

If someone is shooting at you and trying to kill you, while concurrently burning schools and blowing up things that shouldn't be blown up, what exact peace would we be keeping and if it isn't peacekeeping, then tell me how we're supposed to make peace without taking out the bad guy that's trying to kill us?

Or should we just sit there and do nothing? No offence, but that's exactly what the international community did in Rwanda. Canadians seem to want us to intervene in the world and make a difference but don't seem to want to step up to the plate and do what it takes to do that. Rather myopic if you ask me.


Allan Eizinas
said

The arrogance of the American military machine is extraordinary.

This USA political bozo just has no idea when to shut up.

Our mandate is to “win the hearts and minds of the Afghanistan people.” The American mandate is to win this war at any cost. Obviously, our tactics are different.

Over 4,000 Afghanistan civilians have been killed so far as “collateral action”. This mission is unraveling.

I would take a Canadian soldier over any American soldier.

So be it.


tinfoilhat
said

I think Gates is missing the big picture. Taliban are like any other criminals. If the heat is on too hot in one area they move to the next. They've just moved to south Afghanistan and making our mission difficult.
I'd like to point out the US success in Iraq but I ummm maybe later.


Troy
said

He's worried that we don't know how to deal with a counterinsurgency operation? Right, because the U.S. is doing a bang up job in Iraq.


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