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Date: Thu. Nov. 22 2007 12:10 PM ET

Former prime minister Jean Chretien says one of the major victories in his career was standing up against pressure to join the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

During an exclusive interview with Canada AM's Beverly Thomson, Chretien says he doesn't worry about what kind of legacy he has left, saying that's up to other people to decide.

"People always talk about legacy -- what do you want as a legacy? But people should not worry too much about it because there's no control you can have over that. You do your best and at the end of the day the people will conclude certain things," he says.

However, Chretien, who has just published his memoir "My Years As Prime Minister," says there are moments in his long career that he is especially proud of, such as keeping Canada out of the Iraq invasion.

"For the independence of the country, saying no to the Americans on the war was a great moment for Canada," Chretien says.

"Of course it was not without risk. Suppose the war in Iraq had been a great success, I think it would have been a bit embarrassing for me. But I thought they were wrong and I said so."

That willingness to speak his mind has been present throughout his career, Chretien said, adding that other world leaders have taken notice over the years.

One of those leaders is former British prime minister Tony Blair, who wrote a statement that is printed on the back of the book.

"You read what Tony Blair wrote about me. I was the one who was saying aloud what a lot of them were thinking but didn't dare to say, so that was a characteristic I am very proud of."

But Chretien said he learned how to gain the confidence of other world leaders such as Blair and Bill Clinton, not through brash posturing, but by building personal relationships.

"To be able to gain the confidence of these people when you're from a small country, you have to be careful because the U.S. president is a bigger shot than the prime minister of Canada, like it or not. So if you try to get credit too much, they lose confidence, they think that you're trying to use them," he says.

"To really have an influence you have to be low key and very personal."

Chretien, who avoids commenting in detail about the latest developments surrounding former prime minister Brian Mulroney and German businessman Karlheinz Schreiber, said his memoir isn't about slamming others, but about telling his story.

"I don't want to attack the character of people. ... I don't like to, I guess, name somebody. I report facts, you can conclude."

Speaking about the current state of the Liberal Party of Canada, Chretien said leader Stephane Dion is not to blame. He said Dion, who Chretien first invited to Ottawa on the advice of his wife, is simply under tougher scrutiny and a higher level of criticism than before, as any leader of the opposition would be.

"The problem of the leader of the opposition, of this leader of the opposition, is the problem of any other leader of the opposition, and when you become prime minister you forget about that."

Chretien said Dion has a strong record as an environment minister and advocate for Canada and is surrounded by qualified politicians such as Michael Ignatieff and Gerard Kennedy.

He said he has no trouble seeing him as the future prime minister.

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Michele
said

I never much liked Chretien, but I have to say I am SO GLAD he did not take us into Iraq.
I think if Martin or Harper were in power at the time we would have been there.
Here's hoping we stay as far away from ANYTHING Bush/Cheney are planning for Iran.


Earl
said

The Americans never wanted Canada in Iraq. Chretien and his cronies made a deal with the Americans to go to Afghanistan instead.


Mohamed
said

I had to live the agony of the moments of the invasion of Iraq!. I was watching CNN and Fox news who were talking about "mobile biological weapons"," missiles that could hit London in 45 minutes", etc. At the same time, I was also watching Aljazeera who was hosting international experts who were saying that these are lies!. 4 years later and after tens of thousands of Iraqis lost their lives, we all know who was the liar. I would really like to express my admiration for our ex. PM Chretien for keeping us out of this crime.

Rob
said

Jean Chretian did not say no to the Americans. He was uncommitted to a decision right up to the day of the invasion. He fools no one but himself.


Greg from Kitchener
said

The U.S. only wanted support from Canada, they did not want troops, we would and could only give 1 to 2 thousdand troops, while America would be sending in 130,000.... it would not have made a difference. Give it up Jean, you over rate yourself.


John
said

I am so amazed at the lack of reality of the media and Canadians. There have been Canadian soldiers in Iraq since day one of this war. In fact one of our general's was the Deputy Division Commmander of one the US Army's Divisions. A Canadian LCol was pretty much in charge of the security of Bagdhad during their elections. We are not there in large numbers by any means, maybe no more than 10-12 at a time, but with exchange postings and the like, we have been there for some time.


Lisa
said

Wow, how some memories have changed (Earl?). The US absolutely wanted us to join them in Iraq and the US ambassador to Canada used the media and the Canadian public to put pressure on Chretien to accede. We were already in Afghanistan as part of the UN mission and Chretien's main argument was that there was no hard proof & that the UN had to do its due diligence before he would send our troops to Iraq as well.
I too was glued to the US media & heartsick that we weren't going to help rid the world of the dreaded WMDs; I have no problem admitting I was fooled and I'm profoundly glad our PM wasn't.


David F.
said

Chretien was right to say no, beyond doubt. What upset so many of us Conservatives was the way he said it. All the PM had to say was no, quietly and in the language of diplomats. But no, he pandered to his vocal coalition of victims in Toronto and Montreal, made a big stink and paved the way for a sickening display of petty Anti-Americanism.

Jason
said

Say what you want about Jean Chretien as PM, but he is what he is. A straight shooter, someone that you knew where he stood, and you could count on him going through with his principles. That is a far cry from what politicians and Prime Ministers have done or are currently doing. Chretien's legacy stems back from his work with Trudeau and to keeping our soldiers out of a war in Iraq that Canada had no sense to be in. Chretien was a great Prime Minister and a role model for a lot of people. He put Canada back on the map with his diplomacy, gained the respect of other nations, and was able to broker deals that no one else could. Kudos to such a great leader and man, and I am thankful Canada had him as a Prime Minister!


Holly
said

Bravo to Mr. Chretien for not making us criminals as Mr. Bush has done. I've always supported Mr. Chretien since his days in the 1970s. His decision not follow the Americans blindly into illegally invading Iraq has justified my faith in him. Mr. Chretien has set the example!


Gary
said

I echo your thoughts Michele. I'm a Canadian living in the States and I was proud with some reservation at first about Chretiens unwillingness to send troops. I thought maybe we should have sent a token force of 200 or so non combattants but seeing how it has all played out over the years, I'm glad he stuck to his guns.

Terry
said

My hat comes off for Jean Chretien. I at first felt that he was going to be another Trudeau following the "Fuddle Duddle" attitude. Instead , he showed that he was his own man who actually worked his way from the mail room to the highest position this country had to offer. Holding just about every portfolio this country handed him to work on gave this man THE expertise needed to run the country like no other leader had ever done before him. And to have the likes of Paul Martin squeezing him out of that position was appalling in my opinion. And yet, Jean Chretien bowed out with grace and finesse. The leader of a small country (as he put it) gained respect an admiration from just about every world leader he came in contact with. No one has the right to mock him. "Let he without sin cast the first stone"


Elizabeth M
said

Earl, think again. There was a great amount of pressure for us to enter Iraq. The deal with Afghanistan was so we did not have to participate in Iraq. He said the whole time there must be UN approval.

John
said

What a joke! Who does Chrétien think he’s kidding? His deal was to go into Afghanistan and his procrastination over Iraq got us into deep trouble with our allies. The only reason he didn’t go into Iraq was because he couldn’t make up his mind.

A true Canadian Prime Minister would have sought to defuse the situation between the Bush administration and Iraq, instead that good for nothing joke of a PM sat on the fence and then said “I told you so” when they couldn’t find any weapons.


Allan Eizinas
said

Personally I disagree with many Liberal policies but I feel that Chrétien did a good job. He was the filter and shield for Canada and kept us from becoming mired in those self-serving American “expeditions”.

I hope that Harper can do the same.


ray
said

The reason why the US invaded that place was flawed from the start. They had no insider in the country that could prove/disprove WMD's in Iraqis possession.
We all know now that the invasion was purely to control to mid-east and the oil fields. Over 3000 soldiers and 100,000 civilians died for big oil. Charming, no? It's amazing that the brainwashed Americans can take it sitting down that their criminal government gets away with it.


Neil
said

After Mr. Chretien broke his election promise to eliminate the GST, I switched from being a supporter of Liberal to Reform. I remained a supporter of Reform/CA because I disapprove of his government use of our tax dollars. It seems there was one scandal after another. But, when Mr. Chretien refused to drag Canada into the Iraq war (and Mr. Harper wanting to), I switched back to the Liberal. I have much respect and admiration for his courageous and correct decision on the Iraq war. Thank you for not dragging us into a stupid, immoral, and illegal war.


david
said

Staying out of an illegal and immoral war was an easy thing to do - except for the fears of angering Uncle Sam. In this case, Chretien put "right" before an old "ally". The old ally put "might" before "right" and has paid a terrible price.Congratulations, Mr. Chretien.


Jeff
said

I did not like Chretien. In 1992, I saw him as the lesser of the two evils, since more Conservatives after Mulroney would have been horrible. However, as time progressed, I grew to respect Chretien. I saw something rare in a politican: integrity. Regardless of the dispute, Jean always behaved with honour and that is rare in a leader. I hope we can find another like him, and soon.


Charles Reid
said

I could honestly say, that as someone who is completely cynical about any politician...I was never more proud of being a Canadian and of the prime minister, as I was on that day that Chretien passed on getting involved in an unjust military action. Think of it now - how many of our soldiers would be dead now based on a lie!


Proud Canadian
said

I am traditionally a conservative, however in hindsight I have to say that this was a smart and a bold move by the former PM and I applaud Mr. Chretien for sticking to his guns and sticking up for Canada and saying NO to Iraq. his would have been a tragic military mistake if we had entered into that conflict and furthermore, we would of been under US command which would have our troops being sent into the hot spots making our casualties of war much greater then it is in Afghanistan right now. You can fight an enemy toe to toe, but you cannot fight religious zealots like the Americans are facing in Iraq.


Pete
said

As much as I despise the government in this country I have to admit this was the best thing that I have ever witnessed in this country. He did the right thing. I'm so glad we are not there. He can be proud of that fact. History will be kind.


Home at 8
said

I have to agree that Mr. Chretien made a wise decision in not sending our troops to Iraq. That was probably the best decision he has ever made in his political career. And just an opinion on what Earl has said, Canada was already in Afghanistan and there was no deal with the Americans. The US was angry with Canada that we did not send troops and we did not support the war in Iraq.


Omid
said

I really don't know about war politics but what I know is that Iraq invasion was wrong no matter what so Chretien made a right decision.


Andrew from Ottawa
said

People seem to forget that Canada's JTF2 were actually in Iraq...covertly. The Canadian population, as grand as we are, are horribly ignorant when it comes to world affairs.


Craig
said

How distinctly "Canadian". Chretien admits that his greatest "victory" was standing up to "big, bad America" and the left fawns all over him.

Lisa, you need to get your facts straight. The US did not want military support in Iraq. They were looking for Canada's VERBAL support. It was thought that Canada should join the majority of other democratic countries and voice their approval.

Chretien and the Liberal government ummed and ahhhed, debated and talked and then meekly declined to offer any support. That was not a victory by any means.


Wounded guy
said

We Had 22 exchange troopers with US units in the first wave, 2 refueling aircraft over Iraq fueling up stealth fighters, Canadians in AWAC's, 2 war Ships and one replenisher off the coast with the invasion fleet....come on. At one point we offered to pull out of Afghanistan and the Bulkins to assist, but the UN did not want that and the US wanted us to free up their troops in Afghanistan. I am Glad I am not standing in the streets of Iraq. But the only reason we did not go in is because Chretien dicimated the military so badly he could not! And not because he had a back bone!


FreakAlert
said

"Ironically, the Canadian naval vessels, aircraft and personnel in the Persian Gulf I mentioned earlier who are fighting terrorism will provide more support indirectly to this war in Iraq than most of the 46 countries that are fully supporting our efforts there." ~ Paul Celluci March 25 2003

Canada plays a huge support role within the US military. Let's not forget the Canadian Commercial Corporation - Canada's arms exporter - I am talkin' big business, folks.


Bill Arends
said

I'm only a partial fan of Mr Chretien, I believe he could have done better considering the strength of his parties beliefs but given that his administration ran through the most self absorbed period of Canadian History, to come through it and make a decision based on true beliefs and not self interest is very admirable.


Chretien:
said

Jason wrote: "A (Chretien)straight shooter, someone that you knew where he stood, and you could count on him going through with his principles."

Yup, like the election when he said he would scrap the GST back in the 1990's. He certainly was 'straight shootin' then wasn't he...? There are more examples if you like.


Steve
said

You know what Earl and Greg? It isn't that the US wanted troops from Canada, and you are right in saying so. However, what the US really wanted, and didn't get, is Canada's support which would have helped to legitimize the war. In the end the US had to rely on some troops from the UK and then support from a number of small developing countries. Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement.


RJW
said

Never was there a time when I was more proud being Canadian as when our PM refused to join the US in on the invasion of Iraq. Shame on them.

Another time was when Mr.Chretien in one of his farewell speeches indicated that the rich countries of the world need to do more to help the poorer countries.

It is this disparity in the haves & have-nots that breeds anger, resentment & hostility.


Andy in Cambridge
said

The Americans never tried to pressure us into going to Iraq, They asked us to go, Chretien said no - end of story.

I didn't agree with the decision at the time, but in retrospect, seeing what a mess it's turned out to be, I'm glad we stayed out of it.

We're in Afghanistan for a different reason, to help the Afghan people get their country back, and that's a mission I fully support


T-roy
said

Andrew from Ottawa

You got your facts wrong. Yes members of the JTF2 are in Iraq but thats because they signed up on a contractual basis voluntarily. They are not there under military orders. The are contracting out their expertise for personal gain. In the process they quit our forces or took a leave.


DG
said

I have struggled with the wishy washy positions the Liberals in the past, but I would have to commend Mr. Chretien for having some sense of sound judgement with respect to our involvement in Iraq.

On the otherhand, Mr. Harper and the Conservatives previous positions and current views with respect to Bush and the US have drastically changed Canada's historical role, started by Lester Pearson, as a peace keeper in the world, to one being a combative force more closely aligned with the US foreign policy.
When one looks at all the hotspots in the world today, Canada's "new" foreign policy direction has no value add to resolving these hot spots. Our views and involvement will just add more fuel to the fires.

We are no longer "peacekeepers" in the world stage.


Allan M
said

Jean was a great leader.

He was also an expert politician: he managed to receive the popularity of people thinking he refused to go to war in Iraq, while still allowing Canadian troops to please the American government. I disagree with this of course. Otherwise I believe Jean rivals Trudeau as the best leader that our nation has ever seen.


Adam
said

Our capacity to assist the Americans in Iraq was non-existent. How convenient of Mr. Chretien to take the moral high road to avoid the embarassment of having to disclose our lack of troops and equipment readiness. Iraq was a bad idea, but so was marginalizing the importance of a well-equipped military.


Lillian
said

To DG
PM Harper did not send our troops to Afghanistan. Chretien sent them as peacekeepers and there was no peace to keep. Paul Martin is responsible for changing the mission to one of combat. God bless our Troops!


Paul Connolly
said

One of the moments I was really proud to be a Canadian was when Chretien made the decision not to invade Iraq in the mother of all wars. In retrospect it was a very wise decision. I also recall at the time the then Opposition Leader, Stephen Harper, said we should be standing shoulder to shoulder with George W. Bush. In retrospect Harper was not a wise person but a partisan who supported the conservative Republicans in the US.


Chas
said

Only one thought comes to mind when you read Chretien's book or his statements about his book, MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING! Of all Prime Ministers who served at least one term he did the least for Canada. His only claim to fame is what he did not do! Nothing about what he did do! Politics of negativity are his legacy!


John T
said

The Chretien years were a brief and wonderful era of enlightended humanism.

He led us painlessly along a tough road from deficits to surpluses.

He initiated decriminalization of marijuana.

Human rights flourished and there was never a better time to be a Canadian.

Now it is like we are living in the Dark Ages. Harper has robbed me of the joy I felt from being Canadian, and now I only feel shame and embarassment.


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