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Date: Sun. Oct. 21 2007 6:12 PM ET

Two senior opposition politicians say partisan politics are behind the Conservative government's aggressive pushing of its crime legislation.

The Tackling Violent Crime Act contains some bills that moved through the last session of Parliament. "Seventy-per cent of this omnibus bill ... we agreed to fast-track months ago," Liberal MP David McGuinty told CTV's Question Period.

He believes the Tories' approach is "be afraid. Make everybody afraid of crime, security and terror ... and deflect attention from other issues."

NDP House Leader Libby Davies said she saw the same pattern with the bills. "I feel like we're in some kind of weird 'Twilight Zone'."

Davies said four of the five bills had already passed the House of Commons before Prime Minister Stephen Harper prorogued Parliament.

"The Harper government is actually taking us back to square one," she said.

However, the government has declared the bill to be a matter of confidence, meaning an election would likely result if the bill is defeated.

"Those bills sat around ... without getting through," Conservative House Leader Peter Van Loan told Question Period.

"What we find is the opposition parties, particularly the Liberals, like to say they are tough on crime ... but when it comes time to actually deal with them, they tie them up in committee and then in the Senate and they never become law."

Van Loan said the government wanted to "shine a spotlight" on the crime issue with the omnibus bill.

The only bill the NDP thinks needs more work is one dealing with dangerous offenders, Davies said, but the others could have been reinstated as written.

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said last week that if dangerous offenders are "the hill they want to die on ... that's their decision."

"We think the bills are fine just the way they are," the minister told Question Period. "We've indicated all along this is a priority for our government."

Van Loan "invited" the opposition parties to fast-track the bill and get it to the Senate as quickly as possible.

Security legislation

The Conservatives will be introducing bills in the coming days that will deal with national security certificates and will reintroduce an attempt to extend certain provisions of Canada's anti-terror laws.

Van Loan said the security certificate bill will be introduced in the House of Commons and the anti-terror legislation will be introduced through the Senate.

Nicholson said it would be up to the prime minister to decide if the anti-terror bills would be matters of confidence in the government.

"These are priorities of our government," he said, adding, "you can draw your own conclusions."

Davies said the Supreme Court ruled the certificates unconstitutional in a decision released last February.

The country's highest court didn't strike the legislation down immediately, but gave the government a year to fix the legislation.

"We'll be examining it very carefully from the point of view of protecting people's rights," she said.

On the anti-terror legislation, McGuinty said the Liberal government of the day "sunsetted" some clauses.

Provisions allowing for investigative hearings of material witnesses and giving police the power to detain people suspected of planning to carry out a terrorist attack for 72 hours.

Those two clauses expired on March 1 after Parliament voted in late February against extending them.

Some Liberals voted with the government for retaining the clauses.

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jtk
said

Sorry for the ignorance here. But isn't there any government party that can get things done for the good of its country's people rather than simply be opposed to everything another party is doing.

If the Bill is not BAD for the people, then move on with it rather than waste time (and possibly money with another election). This is ludicrous.


jude
said

jtk, the problem is that the bill is a cluster take-it-or-leave-it package made up of several bills. Most of them were supported last session by opposition, but some were still under debate. By combining them into one bill and denying amendments, Harper is in effect killing the ones that would have passed, would have passed because the liberals wanted to fast-track them but Harper prorogued Parliament.

Bills should be debated. No single party (not CPC, Liberal, or NDP) should act like a majority when they are not, denying the majority of voters who did not support the minority the right to question and even oppose what is presented. It isn't obstructionism, it's democracy.


Sayno
said

Once we allow the government to put the onus on the individual to prove anything in court, it opens the door for future legislation to put further responsibility on the individual. It will further the erosion of "innocent until proven guilty". The erosion of our liberties began long ago but we continue to accept them little by little (as expected).


Louise Fribance
said

The government is not taking anyone back to square one on the crime bills. They are asking to have them passed as they were amended. Also, they are asking, particularly of the Liberals, to instruct the Liberal senators, who dominate the Senate, to pass the bills. What is the use to have the Liberals say in the Commons that they support the bills and then arrange to have them held up in the Senate? That is manipulating! Time to end that and finally have some government action in this country.


Cliff
said

Again....game playing by the Liberals...pretend you publicly support the crime legislation because it is the popular thing to do. Then tie it up in committee and in the senate.
Now if the Liberals really supported it, it would have passed these stages already, but again the loonie left of the party hijacks the legislation. With the media and public now holding the spotlight on the legislation, lets see if it passes the committee and senate stages.
Lets see if the Liberals really believe what they are now preaching.


Christ
said

It's not just about perpetuating a fight, it's about protecting lives. Especially the anti-terrorist legislation that must be passed! Frankly I don’t care about the cash it would cost to have another election, as long as Parliamentarians pass legislation that will combat terrorism. Perhaps the first two commentaries reflect a typical Torontonian ignorance, but I won’t be swayed.


Peter
said

I am beginning to think we desperately need an election to (hopefully) put an end to this opposing for the sake of opposing. Instead of whinning about it, tell us why you think getting tough on crime and dealing with criminals harshly is a bad idea!


DP
said

I'd said, jtk, it's not ignorance, it's naivety. A bill CANNOT be "good" o "bad" "for people" entirely. It may introduce tough measures for terrorists, and in the 2nd clause it may say that anyone commenting on CTV website under the name jtk is automatically a terrorist himself. How would you evaluate a piece of legislation in that case? Any bill needs to be discussed and scrutinized thoroughly - before it's TOO LATE, before we get a Canadian version of Patriot Act which will scare and punish law-abiding citizens - not criminals. It's the job of an opposition party - be in the Grits, the Tories or even Marijuana party - to OPPOSE anything the ruling party, the government introduces, to find BAD things in that proposals and make sure they disappear from the final version. If the government uses brutal force, blackmailing, cornering to drag its legislation thru - it's a BAD GOVERNMENT!


Roch
said

It is responsible action for our Conservative Government to shine a spotlight on the fact that Liberals in particular are soft on crime.

Liberals like to SAY they are tough on crime ... but when it comes time to actually doing something about it besides talk, they tie crime bills up in committee and then in the Senate and they never become law.

Similiar to the Throne Speech, Liberals SAY they oppose it, but when it times come for action, Liberals disappear.

It is also very ironic that one of main locations affected by crime is the Liberal stronghold Toronto, where they obtain most of their votes.

Perhaps Torontonians actually like their high crime rate?

Jill
said

Listening to Gerard Kennedy on the radio saying, people in coffee shops all over Canada, are not taking about crime, truly makes me think that he ( along with his Liberal friends) really are very much out of touch with the every day person. Many of my friends and I have signed petitions to get tough on crime. Or maybe he's just hanging out at the wrong coffee shop - sigh

John
said

The Liberals held up these crime bills in the Senate during the last session of Parliament. Our criminal justice system in Canada is a joke. It's time to crack down on crime in Canada, especially violent crime. Enough is enough. If the Liberals or any other party hold up these bills again in the House or Senate, let's have an election and see what Canadians think. My guess is that the Conservatives will be given a clear mandate to govern with a majority. It's about time!


hollinm
said

If there is no problem with the crime legislation as the opposition protests then quit grandstanding and pass the legislation including the Senate. The opposition are the ones crying fowl but if there's no issue then pass them and get on with other business. Maybe that's what the opposition is afraid of. There will be more crime legislation coming down the legislative pike.


Kathy Williams
said

kw

Following the election, I was one of the voters who thought a minority Gov't would keep participants honest. I was wrong! After watching the political gymnastics in the House of Commons prior to Summer Recess by the Liberals, NDP, Bloc and Liberal Senators; with regard to passing of the Crime bills, I have concluded Canada needs a majority Conservative Gov't in order to get on with the country's business. I do not understand why Liberals, NDP, Bloc and Liberal Senators do not want tougher crime laws? They talk the talk in the House of Commons but do not walk the walk when bills come to be passed. I would like to see the names of the Liberal Senators who oppose the Crime bills printed for public view together with the reason each Liberal Senator is rejecting passage of the bill? Which Liberal Senators are against raising the age of consent for girls from age 14 to age 16 and why? Let's give the CPC the majority they have earned.

Andy L.
said

Listning to Mr. McGuinty talk about this bill is shameful. The Liberal Senate has been holding up the house for too long. Put blame were it belongs, the Conservatives are not fear mongering nor asking for an election. They want to move on with government bills and do not want the Liberals using the Senate to stop the process. I still do not understand the Candian media for not asking Mr. McGuinty and other Liberals why they would manipulate the senate in such a way as to interfere with bills.

Jesse
said

The Liberals need to stop this talk about "fast tracking".

Yes they did make such an offer but the NDP came out against it because it violated parliament's duty to study a bill.

Is it to much to expect from the Liberals that they would study a bill, make any suggestions, and then vote it up or down in a resaonable time period? I guess so.

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