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Date: Wed. Oct. 17 2007 10:50 PM ET
Liberal Leader Stephane Dion said Wednesday his party will not topple the government over the throne speech, but the prime minister has given him another possible election trigger.
After Dion told the House of Commons he would not bring down the government over the speech, Harper said he would treat an upcoming justice bill as a confidence vote, and would accept no amendments.
The Conservatives' Tackling Violent Crime Act will include parts of similar legislation that failed to pass in the last Parliamentary session.
Earlier, Dion said he will introduce an amendment to the speech that criticizes the government for abandoning Canada's Kyoto commitments and asks for combat operations in Afghanistan to end by February 2009.
But the amendment is expected to fail because the New Democrats, who want an immediate troop withdrawal, will be unable to support it. The Liberals would then abstain from the final vote, keeping the government alive.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper dismissed Dion's criticism as empty posturing.
"As I listened to the leader of the Opposition, he reminded me a little bit of a professor who goes through your term paper and marks all over it everything he disagrees with, but then passes you anyway," he said.
In his address to the House of Commons, Dion said the Conservative government's throne speech was so full of holes that "it warrants little faith."
But he said the speech came at a time when Canadians don't want another election.
"The Throne Speech we heard yesterday, with all of its weaknesses, has to be assessed in light of the fact that Canadians don't want another election right now. They want Parliament to do its job," Dion said.
"We are determined to make parliament work, in keeping with Canadians' wishes."
The party's caucus held a nearly two-and-a-half hour meeting Wednesday morning.
While there was a small group of Liberal "hawks" who pushed for an election, most MPs in the meeting told Dion that now is not the time to send Canadians to the polls, CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said.
The crucial vote that could decide whether a federal election could be triggered will take place next Wednesday.
The New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois have both rejected the document.
As a confidence item, if the opposition parties reject the throne speech, the government will fall and an election will be triggered.
The main areas of contention for Dion's party appear to be:
- The Kyoto accord;
- The Liberals' demand for an end to Canada's combat role in Afghanistan by February 2009; and,
- The Tories' anti-crime legislation, which the Liberals opposed in Parliament's last session.
Liberal House Leader Ralph Goodale told Canada AM that Canadians don't want an election.
As the official opposition, the Liberals are considering what's best for Canada in the long term while the opposition parties are playing "silly games," Goodale said.
"We're taking that responsibility seriously. The others are engaging in ultimatums, sabre rattling. We're trying to look at the subject matter here, what is good for Canada in the long term and how should we behave as a responsible opposition to achieve that."
The speech laid out intentions to reduce greenhouse gases and battle climate change, but said Canada cannot meet its commitments under the Kyoto Protocol.
That treaty calls for Canada to reduce its GHG emissions to six per cent below 1990 levels by 2012. Canada's levels in 2005 were about 25 per cent above 1990 levels.
NDP, BQ
The speech was delivered by Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean Tuesday night. It promised a one-percentage-point cut in the GST, a crackdown on violent crime and laid out a plan for Canada to remain in Afghanistan until at least 2011.
In the House of Commons' first question period, NDP Leader Jack Layton assailed the Conservatives for "abandoning fairness for ordinary Canadians."
Harper said the throne speech addressed issues like poverty and homelessness.
"If the leader of the NDP had not decided several weeks before the throne speech was read that he would oppose it, he would have noticed those things in the throne speech," he said.
Earlier, Layton told Canada AM the speech is unacceptable for his party, which will not budge on its demands that Canada meet its Kyoto pledges and set a firm date for withdrawal from Afghanistan.
He said he believes the Conservatives are taking Canada in the wrong direction.
Harper's minority government has shown no flexibility on key issues, such as Afghanistan and battling climate change, in the days leading up to the speech, Layton said.
"We didn't see action on those issues in the throne speech, and we had 2.5 million people vote for us and say we want you to stand up to the government because we believe the direction they are taking is wrong, and that's what we plan to do," he said.
Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe asked in question period about the government's plan to limit federal spending power.
He compared the current plan to one introduced by former Liberal governments.
"No previous government tabled legislation to accomplish these historic demands from Quebec for the past four decades," Harper said. "I hope the Bloc will vote for the throne speech and support these measures, because we don't need the Bloc to vote against Quebec interests here."
Duceppe has put forward five non-negotiable demands for BQ support of the throne speech. One is that Canada meet its Kyoto commitments.
He told CTV's Canada AM the speech didn't offer up enough for his party to support, citing the proposal to extend the Afghanistan mission and abandon Kyoto as major points of contention.
He said it's up to the Liberals to decide the Conservative government's fate.
Tax cuts
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said the throne speech outlines the government's intention to offer up tax cuts to all Canadians.
He said most of the tax cuts promised in the Conservatives' election platform have been met and the government is now expanding its tax reforms.
"A lot has been done and now we're in a position to look at broad tax cuts, broad tax relief for Canadians," he told Canada AM.
He later told reporters that no new tax cuts would be announced during the government's fall economic update.
"It's possible to take some tax measures in the fall update, but I'm not anticipating that right now because we're not far from the budget, fairly early in the new year," he said following the Conservatives' caucus meeting.
Flaherty defended the government's position on Afghanistan, saying the speech indicates a change in Canadian troops' role in Afghanistan after 2009, moving to a role of training and mentoring, rather than front-line combat.
But he said the opposition parties must decide whether they want to "force an election."
"We can only govern if the opposition permits us to govern. It will be up to the opposition parties to decide whether we're permitted to govern or whether they want to force an election on the Canadian people," he told Canada AM.
The throne speech outlined five new priorities:
- Strengthening Canada's sovereignty in the world;
- Forging a stronger federation;
- Providing economic leadership;
- Tackling crime; and,
- Improving the environment.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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Kim
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Garry B
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Jim McB
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The Liberals are at least considering the speech and are being told to accepth it by their star candidate Elizabeth May.
The CPC now has a great platform for the next election, they are up in the polls and gaining support daily, they have the money needed to run an election, and the Liberals are in tatters. Personally I think a Liberal decision to call an election would be suicide. On the other hand if the Liberals support the government in a spirit of cooperation, they get time to rebuild, they get to put their stamp on some good centerist legislation while making the NDP and the BLOC appear like the extremists that they are. If you are an optimist this is a chance for the CPC and the LPC to make the other opposition parties show their hands and expose their warts to the public.
Dale
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Dave
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Kevin Hickey
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ron
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Edb
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Louise
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Liam
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Don
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They are in disarray. Jack and Gilles are pretty well irrelevant. In the end at this stage an election would probably result in a larger conservative minority and a liberal leadership convention. An unnecessary venture at this time.
Davis
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ps - does anyone else find Jack Layton completely irrelevant at this point??? With the Greens gaining strength they really ought to re-examine who it is they are actually trying to speak for....
Bob
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Canadian
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It will be interesting to see how Stephane Dion frames his decision to back down from his stated principles on Kyoto, and changes his mind about Afghanistan, and crimes against children, since he will support this speech. He will likely suggest a few weak amendments to try to save face, which Canada's New Government will decline.
Dion has no choice, the Liberals are in ruins, and cannot withstand an election.
JIMMY B
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Steve
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Just curious.
JW
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RJ
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Max
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They preach about making a minority gov't work, but they're the ones making non-negotialble demands and rejecting the speech before they hear it.
They've put Dion in an impossible position as much as or more than Harper - deliberately so - they see blood on the water...and votes
SG88
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Rashmi
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Roger T
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Garry B.
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(from 1993)
Young and Jaded
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Peter
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If your idea of ruining a country is by introducing free trade and taking tough but necessary decisions like implementing the GST to combat a large deficit and debt started by the Trudeau era for which it cost Mulroney power and gave Chretien fiscal breathing room (Remember?; "I will eliminate da GST!") If that is your explanation of ruining a country, I would not want you as PM.
Mike
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You remind me of Jack Layton. You have absolutely no basis for that comment yet you oppose simply based on the fact that you are not a Conservative.
This government has accomplished more in their short time than any government in the past 20 years. Of course, you don't see that because you are too blind. Maybe you are scared of the anti-crime legislation. All law abiding citizens can only better from this legislation.
Kyoto was never meant to be followed. The Liberals created it as a "feel good" piece and would have never met the targets themselves. Do you know what Kyoto would do to our manufacturers and economy? Remember; the biggest polluters such as India, China and the United States have not adopted Kyoto so they would benefit from all other countries following the accord.
All I ask is that you have an open mind and don't just disagree for the sake of diagreeing. That doesn't get our country anywhere.
Greg from Kitchener
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I also love seeing Mr Dion and his "I'm not to sure about anything" attitude! gotta love it!
S. Reeves
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Vince M.
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Please, please keep Dion as your leader.
Jon
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Robb
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John T
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The Democrats in the US failed to do so in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq and so have shared the blame for that fiasco ever since.
Mr Harper is in a strong position, and if he can muster a majority then so be it. I will be aghast, but that should not stop Liberals from adhering to their principles.
Kevin
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JERRY
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reid
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Rohit
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With Dion at the helm, an election call right now may not be the best thing to do. However, if a non confidence vote takes place later on, such as in 2008 then the Libs would hopefully be able to gather more support in the polls and could maybe pull off a minority government in the summer of 2008.
For right now, my advice to Dion is do not vote down the throne speech but propose a bunch of amendments to it that would put the good ole Lib twist on it.
Davey Legasse
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Ryan
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Monty D
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Good
LM
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Doc
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Young and Tired
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P
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This country was ruined by the socialist, Pierre E. Trudeau!
isa
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Brian M
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Dan, as for the Liberals, they ruined this country. The Conservatives have always kept tradional Canadian values, and have stuck loyal to our friends, and have treated Canadian citizens with the respect they deserve. The Liberals try to please everyone, and in the process actual Canadian citizens come last, or forgotten about all together. It's high time all of us Canadians brought in a government that will instill our values and bring things back up to Canadian standards. The Liberals just want to seperate us all, they could care less about heritage or morals, their rock stars haha. Vote in a Conservative majority!
damien
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DM in NB
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If every country in the world adopted Kyoto, it still would not affect global temperature or regional climates. Canada produces less than 2% of so-called "GHG"s. What we do makes no difference compared to India, China, and the US...none of which are adopting Kyoto.
Instead of worrying about "greenhouse gasses" (which is a crock), they should be focused on gasses that cause surface-based pollution like sulfates and nitrates. Reduce the smog, and you'll have healthier people. This shouldn't be hard to comprehend for anyone that isn't a moron.
Harper didn't say he would abandon working on the environment. He said that we'd find ways other than Kyoto do proceed. This is by far the best way to go, with Canada's own strategy, that is specific to US.
As for the other objectives, if an opposition party votes against it, they are basically saying that drunk drivers and repeat offenders are okay with them. Yet people still want to vote for these "leaders"? Sad.
The moderator doesn't seem to like my opinions, so this likely won't even get posted.
Raymond
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A chess player
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A much tougher stand on the envirnoment soon the Conservatives protected forests will be a bunch of DEAD trees.
FISH OR CUT BAIT? the liberals are going to lob the ball back into the Conservatives court and let them walk away from the throne speech.. as there was NOTHING new in it..
Gary
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dan
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It's time to do things right and to stop doing things for the sake of being in power like the fiberals did for 13 unfortunate years.
Lart from Above
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The Liberals have the option of voting against the Throne Speech and holding some members back so that the government doesn't fall. That would communicate to the Conservatives that they can't act like a majority government, unless Harper decides to call an election. Voting against the throne speech would allow the Liberals to vote against individual bills; the Liberals may support the tax cuts and most of the justice bills.
It's unfortunate that the Conservatives prefer gridlock and posturing to compromise and governing. Harper should either work with the other parties to pass the bills that have the support of the majority, or else ask the electorate for a majority.
GW
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TAX CUTS: Great, bit by bit year after year we’ll all pay less taxes while growing our economy and paying down our debt for our children. That is if the Conservatives are allowed to stay in office for many years. The Liberals would just spend the money like drunken sailors, no offence to our Navy.
AFGHANISTAN: I personally believe the Middle East will continue to get messier as time goes on but trust our current government who is more informed than I to do the right thing. That’s why we vote in these people…to make the tough choices.
CRIME: Just a reminder that Drugs and Violence are very bad. Sure it’s all fun and games at first but believe me they end up messing up your life. We need tough laws and compassionate help for addicts.
ACTIC: I’m glad Harper is the one leading this effort. The Artic is going to prove to be a vast resource for Canada.
GRM in Manitoba
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commonsense, speech. Layton and Duceppe once again show they have totally no credibility, but give them kudos for at least showing up, unlike Dion. History dictates the Liberals will ignore what is best for the Country and best for Canadians and focus to clinging onto power at all costs.
With respect to the one percent cut to the GST - another Harper election promise kept - that's what Conservatives do!
Brian M
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Conservatives aren't just old, they are young too.
I'm new blood for Conservatives, 23 years old, and very proud of it.
I've lived in every region of Canada, I feel I have a clear view of the direction Canada should go.
Doug
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The Liberals have to be the only responsible party,and vote to keep the government. f it becomes impossible to support some of Harper's legislation, so it. But to bring down a government over such a vague throne speech would be the height of stupidity.
An election would yield either a similar result,or a Conservative majority.I don't see how that can help clarify anything.
Bite your tongue, Mr.Dion. Live to fight a different day. It will serve us all much better.
Graeme
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Is there any reason why this can't happen? This way, Dion can avoid having to vote for abandoning Kyoto without forcing an election.
Chris Anderson
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Point 2 The Liberals have always paid lip service to getting tough on crime. The conservatives want to actually do something about it.
Point 3 The Liberals promised to get rid of the GST after a period of time; they did nothing; the Conservatives have reduced it a point and are promising to reduce it another point based on the strong economy and surplus funds.
Point 4 The Liberals could never promise broad based tax cuts because they were to busy lining there own pockets. The Conservatives understand broad based tax cuts keep an even keel for the economy as big business, small business and the average person all are responsible for pushing the economy.
Last Point; If we pull out of Afghanistan, the terrorists have won and the first time terrorists attack Canada and do some damage all these people calling for a pull out will be the first people kicking down parliment's doors asking how the government could let this happen. If you actually sit and think about this and I am sure Mr Dion will, the Conservatives are doing an excellent job.
Mr Harper, you make me proud to be a Canadian
AM
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Don
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Allan Eizinas
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A minority government cannot pass individual legislation by themselves. That is where parliamentary committees come in and where wording is shaped and legislation is detailed and specialized.
Some legislation will pass while others will not.
That is called Parliamentary democracy – our form of democracy.
Ryan
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AJW
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Another election of the NDP and Bloc want one let their party people foot the bill instead of the tax payer.
WE ARE ELECTIONED OUT
DCM
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Mike
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Si
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Harper wants to govern, he is a very good leader for our times, and perhaps if the MSM would put down the pettyness and do thier jobs impartially he would talk to them.
Canadian
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Wendy
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As for the rest of you.
I am not a conservative supporter, but really, what is wrong with the throne speech except for Afghanistan? My god people. Open your eyes. If we were to have another election right now, aren't you worried that the Conservatives could end up with a majority government because the other blowhards can't cut the muster? That is my biggest concern.
The very recent Ontario Provincial Election saw a very low turn out of voters. How many people do you think are going to vote in another Federal Election so soon after the last 2? Give your heads a shake.
Maybe it is time for all to sit back and see where this government is heading. They really can't be any worse than any other government. Our political parties have a habit of non-confidence voting with Conservative governments without giving them a chance. Look at Joe Who????
The Libs would be very stupid to vote down this speech and they know it.
Mr. Duceppe and Mr. Layton should rethink their positions. Will they be in any better position if there were another election called.
I am tired of voting!
To be honest, I think our parliamentary ways need to be changed. There should be an election every 4 years and that is it. It is no wonder the voting numbers are down. Every time you turn around, there is another election. Who pays for this? Is this what you voted for?
Erich from Tokyo
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We all know it doesn't matter who ends up in power these days. They all know what we want and we just have to choose who has the better "hand out". Vote it down, don't vote it down...doesn't anyone else realize nothing in your lives are going to change.
God bless the "Keyboard Political Mavens"
Susan Ann
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Donna
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Lorraine
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healthcare, and post-secondary education are provincial responsibilites not federal. Educate yourself. Mr. Harper is right on and I hope he governs for many years to come.
eskiefan
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Scott Stelmaschuk
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As for the Afghanistan mission, let's get one thing straight: You CAN support the troops, WITHOUT supporting the mission. As an anti-Afghanistan War supporter, people often misconstrue this message and turn it into an Americanized "You're With us or Against us" debate. I have great respect for our men and women in uniform, but I feel this government has polluted and convoluted the role our troops should be playing in Afghanistan.
Jake
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Andy in Cambridge
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L. Vista
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Denise
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HR
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vince
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Harvey
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Elected officials work for the people not the "Party".
WCheung
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John P Toronto
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Harper's intent to extend our mission in Afghanistan beyond 2009 concerns me. I fear we are not accomplishing much there except supporting a government forced on the people. A government filled with war criminals. We are allowing and supporting torture by turning over prisoners to people we know will torture them.
Harper's has allowed CIA planes to land in Canada on their way secret prisons. Again a move I don't support.
He has opted out of Kyoto and environmentalists say his environmental plan only pays lip service to the environment. Global Warming is the biggest crisis facing our time.
Now that said do I see Dion as a leader? No but I will be voting Liberal in the next election to hold Harper to a minority.
Diane
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Al
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Dion is no fool he doesn't dare take a chance at the polls.
al barbaro
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Lionel Hawryliw
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Suzanne
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Roch
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The fury! The anger! Liberals disagree with the throne speech SO MUCH they have indicated they will abstain from voting against it.
Abstain? Oh yes, after all, Liberals are all talk, no action.
TP
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Rob S
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Rob S
Alberta Brown
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Trevor m...
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This goes along with Stephen Harper's Conservative trick where you toss a very simmered agenda to all Canadians and when in a majority government start rolling out the ultra conservative agenda. Canadians can see this, the Liberals can see this. And this is why we don't want an election and why Dion has listened to Canadians.
It is time that government gets to work and does their job. Stop playing these stupid and silly games we want to see action in Parliamnet.
Virginia F.
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Bruce
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Ian
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Mr. Duceppe and his party are in real trouble at home so he has to rattle his sword no matter what.
As for Jack Layton...His party wins a seat in a by-election, and he is ready to put Canada to the expense of a full election on the hope he might win a couple more seats.
Sorry Jack...Canadians just won't buy into that.
Allan
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David Jackson
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Anne
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The comment of losing womens' rights is just another attempt to use fear to keep people in line, there is no truth to back this up, just lies. I don't feel that women need special rights or to be elevated above men. We are all people and already enjoy the same rights and privileges. I don't need a nanny state to speak for me or any special interest groups to be my voice. Those groups are not interested in the opinions of all women, just the ones who agree with their views.
A guy from Sask
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I also can't imagine people actually voting for the conservatives knowing that's there plan. This war is ruining Canada's image world wide.
Paul Hamison
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Becky
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I think it is a mark of Harper's statesmanship to focus on governing rather than to tempt the winds of public opinion in the hopes of getting his majority now.
In the fall of 2009 when he calls an election as he has promised, he will have served this country long enough and well enough that the Liberal accusations of "hidden agenda" will go unheeded and Canadians will know that they can trust the Conservatives with a majority.
Since the Conservatives came to power, I have become so proud to be Canadian!
Mark W....A proud Canadian
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Fred
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Paul W F
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That's just one example. Harper's Arctic sovereignty posturing is totally unfounded and he does not need a deepwater for those (pretty useless) Arctic patrol boats. So, why does he want one - shipping coal to fuel Alberta's oil sands? Future LNG tankers? Berthing Panama-class shipping?
And the billions of dollars of taxpayers' money he has wasted in supporting his false policies that achieve nothing to tackle poverty cutting the GST does nothing. Substantially raising taxfree thresholds might. The guy and all his government are a sham.
Joe C
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2) Mr. Layton: How does voting in favour of a Throne Speech imply that you have no leadership? Like, I'm failing to make the connection here. As far as I'm concerned, No vote for you.
3) It's clear to me that Harper is trying to force an election. I mean, his first bill after the Throne Speech is going to be a confidence vote with no amendments containing varying bills that did not pass last time (according to this article). That's not governing: that's just asking for an election.
MBdr in Shilo MB
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However, I won't vote Liberal because they are the ones who cut back the military money and personal wise in the 90's as well as the ones who committed us to Afghanistan to begin with. They were the ones that had us in Bosnia and Afghanistan at the same time and were the ones burning us out.
AK from BC
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IMPROPER TAX CUTS
The GST tax cut last year was a total no-no. The poor had to pay more taxes so that the rich got some extra money in their pocket. It should have been the other way around to help those struggling to make ends meet. 10 extra cents from a purchase isn't enough to buy enough food for a family for a day. Rich people who are complaining they are not getting enough money should cut back on electricity, water, shelter, and needless purchases instead of wasting it. I am not sure what Mr. Harper wanted to achieve with the tax cuts.
ENVIRONMENTAL CHAOS
Although the Liberals had some blame for this, the Conservatives should be blamed as well for not taking any action at all in both the short and long term to address air pollution, water pollution, and global warming. I'm not sure why people say that global warming doesn't exist and that acting now will bankrupt the country. Acting later will bankrupt the country even more when we have to clean up the mess of pollution and global warming. Beware of what you wish for.
SECRECY, AND LOTS OF IT
The media has complained lots about their inability to get information from government departments. Secrecy, especially in the government level, makes it look if they are up to a conspiracy or something.
Only one thing has my approval at the moment, and that is their tougher stance on crime.
However, I don't support the Liberals because:
SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL
The mismanagement of the budget by the Liberals caused lots of money to disappear.
INACTION IN GOVERNMENT
The Liberals tend to be somewhat lazy in the sense of implementing things, although the same could be said for the Conservatives.
Rather, I support the NDP. Their policies appeal to me, and they haven't been in power yet. Maybe it is time for them to be in power? Testing them in a minority government won't hurt, would it?
Anyways, those are my thoughts.
- Allan Kuan
Pamela
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