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CTV Newsnet: PM Harper reacts to Dion's throne speech comments
CTV Newsnet: PM Harper reacts to Dion's throne speech comments, part two
Canada AM: Ralph Goodale, Liberal house leader
Canada AM: Jim Flaherty, finance minister
Canada AM: Gilles Duceppe, Bloc Quebecois leader
Canada AM: Jack Layton, leader of the NDP

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Date: Wed. Oct. 17 2007 10:50 PM ET

Liberal Leader Stephane Dion said Wednesday his party will not topple the government over the throne speech, but the prime minister has given him another possible election trigger.

After Dion told the House of Commons he would not bring down the government over the speech, Harper said he would treat an upcoming justice bill as a confidence vote, and would accept no amendments.

The Conservatives' Tackling Violent Crime Act will include parts of similar legislation that failed to pass in the last Parliamentary session.

Earlier, Dion said he will introduce an amendment to the speech that criticizes the government for abandoning Canada's Kyoto commitments and asks for combat operations in Afghanistan to end by February 2009.

But the amendment is expected to fail because the New Democrats, who want an immediate troop withdrawal, will be unable to support it. The Liberals would then abstain from the final vote, keeping the government alive.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper dismissed Dion's criticism as empty posturing.

"As I listened to the leader of the Opposition, he reminded me a little bit of a professor who goes through your term paper and marks all over it everything he disagrees with, but then passes you anyway," he said.

In his address to the House of Commons, Dion said the Conservative government's throne speech was so full of holes that "it warrants little faith."

But he said the speech came at a time when Canadians don't want another election.

"The Throne Speech we heard yesterday, with all of its weaknesses, has to be assessed in light of the fact that Canadians don't want another election right now. They want Parliament to do its job," Dion said.

"We are determined to make parliament work, in keeping with Canadians' wishes."

The party's caucus held a nearly two-and-a-half hour meeting Wednesday morning.

While there was a small group of Liberal "hawks" who pushed for an election, most MPs in the meeting told Dion that now is not the time to send Canadians to the polls, CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said.

The crucial vote that could decide whether a federal election could be triggered will take place next Wednesday.

The New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois have both rejected the document.

As a confidence item, if the opposition parties reject the throne speech, the government will fall and an election will be triggered.

The main areas of contention for Dion's party appear to be:

  • The Kyoto accord;
  • The Liberals' demand for an end to Canada's combat role in Afghanistan by February 2009; and,
  • The Tories' anti-crime legislation, which the Liberals opposed in Parliament's last session.

Liberal House Leader Ralph Goodale told Canada AM that Canadians don't want an election.

As the official opposition, the Liberals are considering what's best for Canada in the long term while the opposition parties are playing "silly games," Goodale said.

"We're taking that responsibility seriously. The others are engaging in ultimatums, sabre rattling. We're trying to look at the subject matter here, what is good for Canada in the long term and how should we behave as a responsible opposition to achieve that."

The speech laid out intentions to reduce greenhouse gases and battle climate change, but said Canada cannot meet its commitments under the Kyoto Protocol.

That treaty calls for Canada to reduce its GHG emissions to six per cent below 1990 levels by 2012. Canada's levels in 2005 were about 25 per cent above 1990 levels.

NDP, BQ

The speech was delivered by Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean Tuesday night. It promised a one-percentage-point cut in the GST, a crackdown on violent crime and laid out a plan for Canada to remain in Afghanistan until at least 2011.

In the House of Commons' first question period, NDP Leader Jack Layton assailed the Conservatives for "abandoning fairness for ordinary Canadians."

Harper said the throne speech addressed issues like poverty and homelessness.

"If the leader of the NDP had not decided several weeks before the throne speech was read that he would oppose it, he would have noticed those things in the throne speech," he said.

Earlier, Layton told Canada AM the speech is unacceptable for his party, which will not budge on its demands that Canada meet its Kyoto pledges and set a firm date for withdrawal from Afghanistan.

He said he believes the Conservatives are taking Canada in the wrong direction.

Harper's minority government has shown no flexibility on key issues, such as Afghanistan and battling climate change, in the days leading up to the speech, Layton said.

"We didn't see action on those issues in the throne speech, and we had 2.5 million people vote for us and say we want you to stand up to the government because we believe the direction they are taking is wrong, and that's what we plan to do," he said.

Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe asked in question period about the government's plan to limit federal spending power.

He compared the current plan to one introduced by former Liberal governments.

"No previous government tabled legislation to accomplish these historic demands from Quebec for the past four decades," Harper said. "I hope the Bloc will vote for the throne speech and support these measures, because we don't need the Bloc to vote against Quebec interests here."

Duceppe has put forward five non-negotiable demands for BQ support of the throne speech. One is that Canada meet its Kyoto commitments.

He told CTV's Canada AM the speech didn't offer up enough for his party to support, citing the proposal to extend the Afghanistan mission and abandon Kyoto as major points of contention.

He said it's up to the Liberals to decide the Conservative government's fate.

Tax cuts

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said the throne speech outlines the government's intention to offer up tax cuts to all Canadians.

He said most of the tax cuts promised in the Conservatives' election platform have been met and the government is now expanding its tax reforms.

"A lot has been done and now we're in a position to look at broad tax cuts, broad tax relief for Canadians," he told Canada AM.

He later told reporters that no new tax cuts would be announced during the government's fall economic update.

"It's possible to take some tax measures in the fall update, but I'm not anticipating that right now because we're not far from the budget, fairly early in the new year," he said following the Conservatives' caucus meeting.

Flaherty defended the government's position on Afghanistan, saying the speech indicates a change in Canadian troops' role in Afghanistan after 2009, moving to a role of training and mentoring, rather than front-line combat.

But he said the opposition parties must decide whether they want to "force an election."

"We can only govern if the opposition permits us to govern. It will be up to the opposition parties to decide whether we're permitted to govern or whether they want to force an election on the Canadian people," he told Canada AM.

The throne speech outlined five new priorities:

  • Strengthening Canada's sovereignty in the world;
  • Forging a stronger federation;
  • Providing economic leadership;
  • Tackling crime; and,
  • Improving the environment.

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Kim
said

As a Military wife..I can honestly say that extending the mission would be a great morale booster for our men and women...The people train extremely hard each and every day to be able to support any mission whether it be overseas or in our own country. We also need more funding to improve the equipment and material for our troops in order to keep up with the rest of the world. These men and women are extremely underpaid for the services they provide!! What the politicians fail to understand is...what if it were in our own country?? You would certainly want your own Military to have the best of..or at least some newer material in order to keep us safe...The politicians who are voting against are being selfish...let these men and women do their jobs....do we stop you from doing your job???


Garry B
said

The Liberals had best support the Conservatives at this point in time. Afghanistan - a Liberal intitiative. "Kyoto", apart from providing a feel-good program, has accomplished nothing. Automatic sentencing for gun crimes, what right minded Canadian could be against this?


Jim McB
said

It is now clear that Layton and Duceppe are only concerned with positioning their parties. They had ridiculous, extreme left wing positions going into the speech and are prepared to cause an election based on those positions. Canadians and all the benefits promised to them appear to be irrelevant.

The Liberals are at least considering the speech and are being told to accepth it by their star candidate Elizabeth May.

The CPC now has a great platform for the next election, they are up in the polls and gaining support daily, they have the money needed to run an election, and the Liberals are in tatters. Personally I think a Liberal decision to call an election would be suicide. On the other hand if the Liberals support the government in a spirit of cooperation, they get time to rebuild, they get to put their stamp on some good centerist legislation while making the NDP and the BLOC appear like the extremists that they are. If you are an optimist this is a chance for the CPC and the LPC to make the other opposition parties show their hands and expose their warts to the public.


Dale
said

An election would just be same ball game, different players.


Dave
said

Dan, it's the Liberals who ruined Canada, made us weak and now Mr. Harper is trying hard to rebuild Canada into a great country.


Kevin Hickey
said

Stephen Harper and the Conservatives have put out a strong throne speech that intends to solidify our place on the world stage and strenghten our home economy. If the Liberals are true to form, they will waiver on what to do. Waiting to see which way the wind is blowing is a Liberal trait. True leadership requires making a path, not following one.


ron
said

I didn't hear anything in the throne speech to trigger an election. It is only an outline of where the government wants to go. The House of Commons is the place for debate. I personally think that Jack Layton is just all puffed up after winning a seat in Quebec and is strutting around like a peacock. Health Care is provincial, is it not? Kyoto, well that was doomed 10 years ago but if Jack thinks he can meet the targets in 77 days I would give him the job as long as he doesn't jeopardize Canadian Jobs. The NDP and the Bloc were voting against the throne speech before it was even read so that should set off alarms somewhere. Are they against it because it is a bad speech or is it for personal gains they hope to make?


Edb
said

Liberals are truly psychotic. In complete collapse, they realy believe they still run the country. To vote for these hacks you must be soft on crime and corruption, or just soft in the head.


Louise
said

I have a few questions for the members of the opposition who are so intent on causing an election. Mr. Duceppe, Mr. Layton and Mr. Dion what would you do if an election was called and the three of you ended with barely enough members to maintain party status. Or even worse for everyone in politics, no one came out to vote. Canada does not need the expense of another election, not to mention the endless boring debates that accomplish nothing.


Liam
said

The Tories have really put the Liberals in an regrettable position, if the they vote down the government as they should on key issues such as the Environment, the Tories will just take their promises of tax cuts to the people and win votes. It is unfortunate in our ever-growing capitalist society; people care more about saving a buck now then improving the environment for future generations.


Don
said

There is no compelling reason for the opposition to vote against this throne speech. The Liberals have indicated their opposition to almost everything the government proposes but have not put forward positive initiaves or changes.
They are in disarray. Jack and Gilles are pretty well irrelevant. In the end at this stage an election would probably result in a larger conservative minority and a liberal leadership convention. An unnecessary venture at this time.


Davis
said

I found this throne speech to be far more balanced than I had expected. It conveys a real desire to reach out and address the needs of all Canadians and the other parties. The Grits are in a tough spot: triggering an election is a huge risk, but holding off will only allow more time to strengthen the Conservatives.

ps - does anyone else find Jack Layton completely irrelevant at this point??? With the Greens gaining strength they really ought to re-examine who it is they are actually trying to speak for....


Bob
said

Do the NDP and the Blocheads really think they are in touch when they oppose getting tougher on crime and reducing the obscene tax load. Of course, Jack thinks his job is to oppose, no matter how good the idea. I guess any idea that isn't from the far left must be bad. I'm surprised he isn't blaming George Bush for the throne speech.


Canadian
said

A virtually flawless Throne Speech from Canada's New Government.

It will be interesting to see how Stephane Dion frames his decision to back down from his stated principles on Kyoto, and changes his mind about Afghanistan, and crimes against children, since he will support this speech. He will likely suggest a few weak amendments to try to save face, which Canada's New Government will decline.

Dion has no choice, the Liberals are in ruins, and cannot withstand an election.



JIMMY B
said

I personally feel that the throne speech addressed all the major key issues. I feel that PM Harper is in total control here and in touch with what most Canadians want. If the Liberals bring down this house it will be political suicide given their financial situation and the fact that Canadians really don't want to go to the polls at this time. As for Mr. Duceppe and his five imperatives, he should sit up and smell the coffee. When is he going to realize that Kyoto, while being good for the environment is too much too quickly. If we all take a proactive approach to this issue I believe that the issue will take care of itself.

Steve
said

Dan, in reference to the Conservatives "ruining" the country in the 1990s. Do you mean Free Trade, which nearly every economist has cited as positive for Canadian economic growth? Or do you mean the GST, which the Liberals promised to scrap in their now-infamous Red Book?
Just curious.


JW
said

This is interesting. Honestly, I think the Conservatives want an election, but have no need to call one. Really, would you call an election when you don't need to? If the Liberals bring the Conservatives down, with Layton and Dion, and the ever useless Bloc, who else is there to choose. It's a no brainer. The Conservatives will win a majority for sure. But being in power, there is no legitimate reason to call an election except for self validation and promotion. The public does not want one, but will surely give a majority if they are pushed in this direction.


RJ
said

Kyoto was a good idea in the mid 90s but after the Liberals did nothing about it other than pay lip service, it's impossible to try to reach the targets now - especially for an economy so dependent on oil sands production. It makes sense to push the deadline out a bit. Why does everyone have such a problem with this? Should we just go around shutting off factories and power plants?


Max
said

The Bloc and NDP ultimatums are about undermining the Liberals, not principle.

They preach about making a minority gov't work, but they're the ones making non-negotialble demands and rejecting the speech before they hear it.

They've put Dion in an impossible position as much as or more than Harper - deliberately so - they see blood on the water...and votes




SG88
said

EXCELLENT! Harper makes me proud. Dion can say all he wants but in the end he has to support it, if we went to an election he would get cleaned. This is a gov't that has direction and knows precisely what it wants while the leftys are bumbling around trying to figure out what issue to oppose next. Well done Steve.


Rashmi
said

We have no business being in Afghanistan and should get out immediately. Like the disaster in Iraq, Canada should not participate in American war mongering.


Roger T
said

Waste of time to hold a speach with the same topics while it could have been done during campaigning. Waste of air time as the CTV poll shows that 75% of people didn't watch it. Our tax $$$ would have been spent in better ways. I hope the Liberals DO NOT support it, it's just another way for the PC to straighten up. Cutting the GST isn't gonna help the city, it's great for consumers. Cutting tax means cutting services because of lack of fundings.


Garry B.
said

Point of interest - The Liberals were in power for most of the 1990's
(from 1993)


Young and Jaded
said

The Liberals better vote this down! It goes against everything they stand for, and the people they stand to represent! Enough of the rich getting richer (yes and all those making over 100,000/year no need to comment we know where your votes stand) Time for us voters to shake up these polls! Vote NDP and teach the liberals and Conservatives that enough is enough...start thinking of CANADIANS! and stop thinking of your corporations! and other countries! We pay the taxes! we deserve some respect!


Peter
said

Dan,
If your idea of ruining a country is by introducing free trade and taking tough but necessary decisions like implementing the GST to combat a large deficit and debt started by the Trudeau era for which it cost Mulroney power and gave Chretien fiscal breathing room (Remember?; "I will eliminate da GST!") If that is your explanation of ruining a country, I would not want you as PM.



Mike
said

Dan,

You remind me of Jack Layton. You have absolutely no basis for that comment yet you oppose simply based on the fact that you are not a Conservative.

This government has accomplished more in their short time than any government in the past 20 years. Of course, you don't see that because you are too blind. Maybe you are scared of the anti-crime legislation. All law abiding citizens can only better from this legislation.

Kyoto was never meant to be followed. The Liberals created it as a "feel good" piece and would have never met the targets themselves. Do you know what Kyoto would do to our manufacturers and economy? Remember; the biggest polluters such as India, China and the United States have not adopted Kyoto so they would benefit from all other countries following the accord.

All I ask is that you have an open mind and don't just disagree for the sake of diagreeing. That doesn't get our country anywhere.


Greg from Kitchener
said

Great Speech! I cannot believe how Proud I am to be Canadian with this Conservative Government! Mr. Harper has my Vote next Election! To be against anything in that Speech would be Un-Canadian!
I also love seeing Mr Dion and his "I'm not to sure about anything" attitude! gotta love it!


S. Reeves
said

Stephen Harper and his government have demonstrated time and again that they have the right stuff to govern this country. They are showing a level of leadership that we have not seen in Canada for a long time.


Vince M.
said

It provides me no end of pleasure to watch the Liberals squiggle on the end of a hook like this!

Please, please keep Dion as your leader.




Jon
said

I hate to break the news to you Dan, but the Liberals were in power for 70% of the 1990's.


Robb
said

The Conservatives have a minority government acting like a majority. The "Crime Bill" is the ultimate example designed to either humiliate opposition parties or trigger the election they want. There will be items in the bill already defeated by this parliament so why do it again other than to accomplish the above? Canadians will see through this deceit and we will have an election for another minority government and I'm not sure which party will be in charge. The Liberals have had the worst 3 weeks in the party's history and still are ahead of the Conservatives in Ontario so Harper might better start governing responsibly in this MINORITY parliament.


John T
said

Mr Dion must put principles before polls.

The Democrats in the US failed to do so in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq and so have shared the blame for that fiasco ever since.

Mr Harper is in a strong position, and if he can muster a majority then so be it. I will be aghast, but that should not stop Liberals from adhering to their principles.


Kevin
said

As long as the Conservatives force the other NATO countries to step up and do their share and take the front line, we should be able to move our troops into a better position to provide reconstrution and force training for Afganistan. We all know we are the best at doing this. I am weary of the tax cuts at this point,with the economic uncertanty in the US. The Government should be setting up a rainy day fund to counter a down time in the economy. My final concern is the environment. The current Government really needs look at the positve economic effects of going green. Many large corpoations around the world have gone green and have recouped the cost in short order and now save billions in energy savings. Time to kick the donsaurs out and let a new generation fix what they have screwed up.


JERRY
said

Yes for the good of the country, the Liberals should agree with the throne speech but Harper is awful cocky and he should not get his way.

reid
said

Angry Ralph sure puts a good spin on things. Here's the deal Liberals-if you don't like the speech, find your backbone and vote against it. Otherwise,quit whining and support the government.


Rohit
said

It really does seem that the Libs are being forced to make a tough decision.

With Dion at the helm, an election call right now may not be the best thing to do. However, if a non confidence vote takes place later on, such as in 2008 then the Libs would hopefully be able to gather more support in the polls and could maybe pull off a minority government in the summer of 2008.

For right now, my advice to Dion is do not vote down the throne speech but propose a bunch of amendments to it that would put the good ole Lib twist on it.


Davey Legasse
said

Yeah, vote NDP. Like in my home province of Saskatchewan where NDP governments have resulted in 50 years of economic stagnation and the flight of talented and ambitious youth. Only the presence of fossil fuel and the emergence of Canada as an energy superpower has saved the province from bankruptcy.


Ryan
said

Can't wait to hear the Liberals communicate their "confusion at 3:15" today.


Monty D
said

Mostly motherhood: Cutting taxes, increasing help for the voting seniors. Infrastructure spending (cities),tough on crime, giving the provinces some room etc...... I can't see Mr. Dion going to war over this one. I don't think Mr. Harper wants an election and probably won't get one.

Good



LM
said

Finally we have a government that is concerned about serving Canadians rather than serving itself like the liberals did for so many years. Great Throne speech. Great initiatives, and above all honesty!! Kyoto was doomed to failure from the start because of unrealistic goals and expectations. Tax breaks, realistic environmental initiatives, and a real plan for our country.


Doc
said

If Kevin is "weary of tax cuts" he is more than welcome to pay mine.


Young and Tired
said

It's about time our youth started making some choices on where we want this country to go. Yes, we know all you babyboomer/conservatives think you ruled the roost...made canada great...and we are just useless...BUT seeing as it's our world next, i think we are intelligent enough to know what WE want our Canada to be...and it most definitly does not involve wasting millions of OUR taxpaying dollars on a new "war on drugs"! you guys did that already remember!! It didnt work..Oh yea and now lets label a bunch of 15 years olds as criminals because they CHOOSE to have sex..yah great throne speech! I can see my money swooshing down the toilet as i type! I think it's time all the old schoolers sit back and let us fix the MASSIVE mistakes you made! and maybe we wont destroy the world before OUR children inherit it!


P
said

Hey Dan,

This country was ruined by the socialist, Pierre E. Trudeau!


isa
said

As a woman, I heard nothing in this speech that would ever make me vote for a Conservative minority. Very little was said on Child Care, nothing on health care and their environmental proposal stinks. I hope the Liberals vote this down because this speech and what the conservatives want to do is not in the best interest of this country. Harper is a bad leader who likes to keep everyone in the dark. I voted Liberal in Ontario and I will vote Liberal nationally.


Brian M
said

Sometimes I wish Jack Layton would just find another hobby. He's a good speaker, but a bad leader.
Dan, as for the Liberals, they ruined this country. The Conservatives have always kept tradional Canadian values, and have stuck loyal to our friends, and have treated Canadian citizens with the respect they deserve. The Liberals try to please everyone, and in the process actual Canadian citizens come last, or forgotten about all together. It's high time all of us Canadians brought in a government that will instill our values and bring things back up to Canadian standards. The Liberals just want to seperate us all, they could care less about heritage or morals, their rock stars haha. Vote in a Conservative majority!


damien
said

Young and Jaded, just so you realize, the people who are in the top tax bracket pay over 50% of the income taxes collected in this country. But they represent much less then 50% of the population. If respect is proportional to paying taxes, then top earners deserve a lot more than you are giving them. This country doesnt run on minimum wage earners.


DM in NB
said

Kyoto is pointless, and should be killed off as soon as possible. If the Liberals had done something with it when they were in power, it would be easier to meet targets now. But they didn't. Just the usual lip service and lies from the Liberals.

If every country in the world adopted Kyoto, it still would not affect global temperature or regional climates. Canada produces less than 2% of so-called "GHG"s. What we do makes no difference compared to India, China, and the US...none of which are adopting Kyoto.

Instead of worrying about "greenhouse gasses" (which is a crock), they should be focused on gasses that cause surface-based pollution like sulfates and nitrates. Reduce the smog, and you'll have healthier people. This shouldn't be hard to comprehend for anyone that isn't a moron.

Harper didn't say he would abandon working on the environment. He said that we'd find ways other than Kyoto do proceed. This is by far the best way to go, with Canada's own strategy, that is specific to US.

As for the other objectives, if an opposition party votes against it, they are basically saying that drunk drivers and repeat offenders are okay with them. Yet people still want to vote for these "leaders"? Sad.

The moderator doesn't seem to like my opinions, so this likely won't even get posted.

Raymond
said

This was an excellent TS presented by a focused, principled PM. It is refreshing to see some solid leadership re-established into government. Some of these comments, such as 'I'm weary of tax cuts' or 'Harper is awful cocky' hold zero credibility. Harper's position is win/win: He would be re-elected this fall, and most likely will be re-elected in 2009, probably with a majority.


A chess player
said

Yes the Liberals will accept the throne speech with a few amendments thrown in.. What good is a tougher stand on crime if there are NOT enough prisons.. Every time one bad guy goes in another has to be let free.
A much tougher stand on the envirnoment soon the Conservatives protected forests will be a bunch of DEAD trees.
FISH OR CUT BAIT? the liberals are going to lob the ball back into the Conservatives court and let them walk away from the throne speech.. as there was NOTHING new in it..




Gary
said

Let me say I am not in favour of Harper or any far right or left wing government..We are a centrist country..most Canadians (centrists) arent on this site. It is evidenced that the political junkies whom have already picked a right or left party are on here. But here's the scoop. Most Canadians are centrists and are neither interested in an election or have jumped on the Conservative bandwagon or dropped the Liberals. Harper was wise to deliver a moderate throne speech. The fear among Candians and centrists is not what Harper has pledged in the throne speech but what he has not/may not have said in the throne speech. The real fear in Canadians in giving Harper a majority is the knowledge that the Conservatives and Harper come from a far right wing background and once in a majority power can bring out their social conservative policies. Canadians want Harper to govern as Canadians mandated him..in a minority position so Harper has time to prove his worth to Canadians and has truly embraced the centre position. On that note the Liberals should support the throne speech.There was plenty of wiggle room in there to debate the key issues in parliament. ie. there is no detail on climate change/environment or there is no clear decision on Afghanistan. Wiggle room to allow this government to govern in the minority position. If this helps support the Conservatives in getting stronger then that is what they deserve from Canadians and we'll see that shows up in the next mandated election in 2009. So enough hot air people, democracy in action means Canadians should dictate our country's direction not a political party.


dan
said

This speech hits at the heart of what most Canadians want. Kyoto is pretty much dead anyway. Afghanistan needs our help. If we pull out, we would have shown that the Taliban have won. And to think that Layton wants to negotiate with the Taliban! Doesn't he know that Taliban=Terrorism=911 or did he have a lapse of memory?
It's time to do things right and to stop doing things for the sake of being in power like the fiberals did for 13 unfortunate years.


Lart from Above
said

It's amazing to see how many people have swallowed the Harper lie that the Kyoto Protocol can't work. The rest of the world isn't having our problem. Our problem isn't a lack of ability, it's a lack of will by the Conservative government. The Alberta tar sands are a unique challenge for Canada, but not an insoluble problem. Harper's rhetoric about 2050 is ridiculous. Market-based mechanisms allow any country to immediately comply with the treaty while working out the technological challenges over whatever time frame is needed.

The Liberals have the option of voting against the Throne Speech and holding some members back so that the government doesn't fall. That would communicate to the Conservatives that they can't act like a majority government, unless Harper decides to call an election. Voting against the throne speech would allow the Liberals to vote against individual bills; the Liberals may support the tax cuts and most of the justice bills.

It's unfortunate that the Conservatives prefer gridlock and posturing to compromise and governing. Harper should either work with the other parties to pass the bills that have the support of the majority, or else ask the electorate for a majority.


GW
said

NDP: Layton has 2.5 million supporters. I guess they don’t want any more!

TAX CUTS: Great, bit by bit year after year we’ll all pay less taxes while growing our economy and paying down our debt for our children. That is if the Conservatives are allowed to stay in office for many years. The Liberals would just spend the money like drunken sailors, no offence to our Navy.

AFGHANISTAN: I personally believe the Middle East will continue to get messier as time goes on but trust our current government who is more informed than I to do the right thing. That’s why we vote in these people…to make the tough choices.

CRIME: Just a reminder that Drugs and Violence are very bad. Sure it’s all fun and games at first but believe me they end up messing up your life. We need tough laws and compassionate help for addicts.

ACTIC: I’m glad Harper is the one leading this effort. The Artic is going to prove to be a vast resource for Canada.



GRM in Manitoba
said

A very positive, responsible, sincere,
commonsense, speech. Layton and Duceppe once again show they have totally no credibility, but give them kudos for at least showing up, unlike Dion. History dictates the Liberals will ignore what is best for the Country and best for Canadians and focus to clinging onto power at all costs.
With respect to the one percent cut to the GST - another Harper election promise kept - that's what Conservatives do!


Brian M
said

Yound and Tired~
Conservatives aren't just old, they are young too.
I'm new blood for Conservatives, 23 years old, and very proud of it.
I've lived in every region of Canada, I feel I have a clear view of the direction Canada should go.


Doug
said

This is not the speech on which any goverment should fall. think it is totally irresponsible for the BLOC and the NDP to vote against the speech from the throne. ven Joe Comartin of the NDP said on CPAC yesterday that Canada cannot afford the luxury of an election right now. f couse,as all NDP'ers do, expect him to stand and vote against the government.
The Liberals have to be the only responsible party,and vote to keep the government. f it becomes impossible to support some of Harper's legislation, so it. But to bring down a government over such a vague throne speech would be the height of stupidity.
An election would yield either a similar result,or a Conservative majority.I don't see how that can help clarify anything.
Bite your tongue, Mr.Dion. Live to fight a different day. It will serve us all much better.


Graeme
said

I have a feeling the Liberals will vote against the speech, but about half of their MPs will come down with the flu, giving the Conservatives a temporary majority for the throne speech vote.

Is there any reason why this can't happen? This way, Dion can avoid having to vote for abandoning Kyoto without forcing an election.


Chris Anderson
said

Point 1; Kyoto was brought in by the Liberals, they did nothing to meet the targets. The Conservatives are putting forth realistic goals without bankrupting the country.
Point 2 The Liberals have always paid lip service to getting tough on crime. The conservatives want to actually do something about it.
Point 3 The Liberals promised to get rid of the GST after a period of time; they did nothing; the Conservatives have reduced it a point and are promising to reduce it another point based on the strong economy and surplus funds.
Point 4 The Liberals could never promise broad based tax cuts because they were to busy lining there own pockets. The Conservatives understand broad based tax cuts keep an even keel for the economy as big business, small business and the average person all are responsible for pushing the economy.
Last Point; If we pull out of Afghanistan, the terrorists have won and the first time terrorists attack Canada and do some damage all these people calling for a pull out will be the first people kicking down parliment's doors asking how the government could let this happen. If you actually sit and think about this and I am sure Mr Dion will, the Conservatives are doing an excellent job.

Mr Harper, you make me proud to be a Canadian


AM
said

No one wants an election right now. Shame on all our politicians. You are there to get things done, not to sabre rattle and spew rhetoric. Although there are areas, like crime legislation, where Mr. Harper could be a great leader and work with the other parties to build consensus and actually get a lot of work done, I feel confident in predicting he will assume the belligerent attitude of having it done his way, or not at all. The Bloc and NDP are being equally pig-headed on Kyoto and Afghanistan. Although I am deeply disappointed by the Conservatives' performance and behaviour, I am equally disappointed in Mr. Dion's inability to unite and organize the Liberals. I can understand why grass-roots Liberals will want the party to oppose the budget, but I hope Mr. Dion will support it to avoid an election. If we do go the polls, I think we will see the lowest voter turnout to date. The state of Canadian politics is disgusting. We have a crisis is political leadership and the results is fewer and fewer people vote. Those of us that do vote are forced to vote for who we dislike the least. None of our current leaders is worthy of our admiration, respect and full support. This country deserves much better political leadership than this.


Don
said

I think its time to step back and look at the party which is currently governing. Many people have commented for and against the past Conservative governments. But this is not truly a Conservative government. It is a Reform government which has taken the title of Conservatives. They have not been in power long enough to truly be evaluated. I believe that the Liberals should propose amendments which would truly help all Canadians. However, now is not the time to hand a majority government to the new kids on the block. Let them rule in another minority parliament and re-evaluate them a year from now.


Allan Eizinas
said

You do not defeat a minority government based on a wish list. The generalities of a Throne speech indicate what the current government has chosen as its immediate policies. There are very few details.

A minority government cannot pass individual legislation by themselves. That is where parliamentary committees come in and where wording is shaped and legislation is detailed and specialized.

Some legislation will pass while others will not.

That is called Parliamentary democracy – our form of democracy.


Ryan
said

I have always voted Liberal - if they support this Throne Speech - I will vote NDP


AJW
said

Not a bad throne speech but it still failed to address healthcare, infrastructure and post-secondary education.

Another election of the NDP and Bloc want one let their party people foot the bill instead of the tax payer.

WE ARE ELECTIONED OUT


DCM
said

First we lose the big "C" conservative party. Gone the way of the DODO Bird. Now the Liberals our on that slippery slope thanks to Harper and Layton. We don't even have the option anymore of voting for the "lesser of two evills!" Sad


Mike
said

People wake up! It's not all about money. Once our environment is ruined, then, the so called prosperity you got from the tax break will not matter. For once, people should look in the LONG TERM not short term gain. The Conservatives are good at making you guys lured to short term gains. Such short mindedness will result in a long term mess.


Si
said

Let me say I am in favour of Harper as I dont believe the far right wing schtick the MSM has spun, we may be a primarily centrist country however we also dont really believe the fearmongering amongst the MSM and spilled onto the comments pages by parrots. Mr Harper is the first serving (over 6 months) Prime Minister in 35 years not to have been under the employ of Power Corps, not that theres anything wrong with that. Trudeau, Mulroney, Chretien, and Martin were, not that Im fear mongering.

Harper wants to govern, he is a very good leader for our times, and perhaps if the MSM would put down the pettyness and do thier jobs impartially he would talk to them.


Canadian
said

It is interesting the only people who are claiming "Canadians don't want an election right now" are all Liberal supporters.


Wendy
said

DM in NB, here here on the GHG problem. Until it is actually proven that global warming is due to green house gases and emissions, Kyoto should be gone.

As for the rest of you.

I am not a conservative supporter, but really, what is wrong with the throne speech except for Afghanistan? My god people. Open your eyes. If we were to have another election right now, aren't you worried that the Conservatives could end up with a majority government because the other blowhards can't cut the muster? That is my biggest concern.

The very recent Ontario Provincial Election saw a very low turn out of voters. How many people do you think are going to vote in another Federal Election so soon after the last 2? Give your heads a shake.

Maybe it is time for all to sit back and see where this government is heading. They really can't be any worse than any other government. Our political parties have a habit of non-confidence voting with Conservative governments without giving them a chance. Look at Joe Who????

The Libs would be very stupid to vote down this speech and they know it.

Mr. Duceppe and Mr. Layton should rethink their positions. Will they be in any better position if there were another election called.

I am tired of voting!

To be honest, I think our parliamentary ways need to be changed. There should be an election every 4 years and that is it. It is no wonder the voting numbers are down. Every time you turn around, there is another election. Who pays for this? Is this what you voted for?




Erich from Tokyo
said

LoL!! Over here in Tokyo, I am at a loss to get my daily dose of CPAC, but listening to you all go on about how the Libs did this and the Conservatives did that, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

We all know it doesn't matter who ends up in power these days. They all know what we want and we just have to choose who has the better "hand out". Vote it down, don't vote it down...doesn't anyone else realize nothing in your lives are going to change.

God bless the "Keyboard Political Mavens"



Susan Ann
said

I listened to every last word of the throne speech and I'm confused when some of these messages say that they didn't hear about this or the throne speech didn't mention that. As far as I heard almost every single topice of concern in the country today touched upon. I never use to vote Conservative, but have to say that Steven Harper is an excellent Prime Minister and his government has moved foreward many promises made dispite the fact that it is a minority government.


Donna
said

I fail to understand why some on here would be against the anti-crime bill. Sure, the murder rate has gone down but what about the victims and their families??? Stronger sentences may not curb the murder rate but there's something to be said for retribution. A convicted killer shouldn't be allowed to walk free after 10yrs, 15 or even 25yrs. I have no idea why the opposition would vote against this. Why does there seem to be so much sympathy towards murderers?


Lorraine
said

AJW
healthcare, and post-secondary education are provincial responsibilites not federal. Educate yourself. Mr. Harper is right on and I hope he governs for many years to come.



eskiefan
said

I question the motivation and integrity of parties that say they will vote no before they have even heard the Throne Speech. The objective is clearly to look righteous to their own constituents knowing the onus will fall on the Liberals to make the hard decisions. Cowardice, passing the buck, dishonesty--I only hope the Liberals will do the responsible thing and support the speech. Mr. Ignatieff stated last night that his reading of the public is they do not want an election.


Scott Stelmaschuk
said

GST cuts? Seems right considering it was the Conservatives who introduced it in the first place.

As for the Afghanistan mission, let's get one thing straight: You CAN support the troops, WITHOUT supporting the mission. As an anti-Afghanistan War supporter, people often misconstrue this message and turn it into an Americanized "You're With us or Against us" debate. I have great respect for our men and women in uniform, but I feel this government has polluted and convoluted the role our troops should be playing in Afghanistan.

Jake
said

Blame the Liberals dilemma on Gerard Kennedy for siding with Dion at the leadership covention. Had he sided with Ignatieff, the Liberals' poll standings would be a lot different. It is in the best interest of the Liberals to vote against the throne speech to safe face for Dion, lose the election and to get a new leader.


Andy in Cambridge
said

People, you need to get this in your heads, healthcare is a PROVINCIAL responsibility, not a federal one. The federal government is responsible for providing money to the provinces to fund healthcare, but it's up to the provinces how they spend it and administer the programs. If you disagree with me on that, read the Constitution Act of 1982


L. Vista
said

I support the contents of the throne speech. My problem is that since Oct 31, 2006 I don't trust anything Mr. Harper and Mr. Flaherty say. That was the day they announced totally unfair double taxation of energy trusts -- in direct contradiction to Mr. Harper's public promise that the Conservatives would not touch the Trust sector.


Denise
said

I agree wholeheartedly with the throne speech. Given Dion's track record to date I am not surprised he is running scared. Will he vote according to principle (which would be to vote against the speech) or according to the polls? I think he'll vote according to the polls while he and his his party try to spin it so that it reads as though he is doing all Canadians a favour.


HR
said

I miss Jean Chretien, we need him now more than ever.


vince
said

Harper is on the right track....look what the Liberals did to the country and taxpayers the past ten years...no accountability


Harvey
said

I agree with Dan! lets get a Govenment that listens to the voters and not the party. Let the "Party" pay their salary if they want a say.
Elected officials work for the people not the "Party".


WCheung
said

One of the proposed ideas at the throne speech is to further reduce GST by 1%. It is great, however, if I think of the financial difficult to all the cities across Canada. There are not enough money for the cities to to develop better infrastructure such as transit system as the three levels of Government usually contribute equally. I would suggest that change the 1% GST to 1% CST (such as City Sale Tax) to allow each city receive their own tax. That is for the government of Toronto, Mississauga. Markham ...etc will recieve the tax (1%) if people or retailer buying goods inside the particular city.


John P Toronto
said

As a political independent and a small c conservative I have reservations and agreement about the throne speech. I don't trust Harper he is arrogant and is expanding the power of the PM's office like Trudeau did.

Harper's intent to extend our mission in Afghanistan beyond 2009 concerns me. I fear we are not accomplishing much there except supporting a government forced on the people. A government filled with war criminals. We are allowing and supporting torture by turning over prisoners to people we know will torture them.

Harper's has allowed CIA planes to land in Canada on their way secret prisons. Again a move I don't support.

He has opted out of Kyoto and environmentalists say his environmental plan only pays lip service to the environment. Global Warming is the biggest crisis facing our time.

Now that said do I see Dion as a leader? No but I will be voting Liberal in the next election to hold Harper to a minority.




Diane
said

I like another reader believe that Mr. Dion doesn't want to force the government to fall because he knows that he cannot lead the liberals to a victory. He in my view was a poor choice for the leader.



Al
said

Just like the days of the Romans in the Colosseum - except this time it is Harper 1 - Dion 0.

Dion is no fool he doesn't dare take a chance at the polls.

al barbaro
said

I would like to know if the polls were showing the liberals ahead of the conservatives, would they be so willing not to have a vote because the public doesn't want one. I think not they don't want to have a vote because they know that they can't win and not brecause the public doesn't want one. This never seemed to stop them before when they had an advantage. Also if they don't vote it down after all this Mr Dion has lost any crediability that he had left



Lionel Hawryliw
said

Canadians don't want an election? The Liberals don't want an election! Politics, politics... will anyone ever govern?


Suzanne
said

Not much in this Throne speech for me... nothing about women's rights, child care, no income tax cuts. I will agree we need to get tough on crime, but we also need to address the social issues that lead to crime in the first place. I agree we don't need an election right now, but we also need on within a year. The longer Harper stays in power, the less rights I will have as a woman.


Roch
said

Dion absolutely slammed the throne speech, made it sound like it was the worst speech and government direction in Canadian history.

The fury! The anger! Liberals disagree with the throne speech SO MUCH they have indicated they will abstain from voting against it.

Abstain? Oh yes, after all, Liberals are all talk, no action.


TP
said

Abstain? That is the most cowardly thing I have ever heard. Mr. Dion, do your job and stand up and take a stand. Even letting your members vote their conscience would have been better than openly sticking your head in the sand. It is no wonder your own party openly questions your leadership. Had you made a decision one way or the other, I may have voted for you but now it is clear that anyone who voted Liberal has wasted their vote because when the going gets tough, the Liberals just aren’t there!


Rob S
said

I don't know what Dion is talking about when he says "Canadians don't want a election" All I hear from people is that they do want a election. They want a chance to give the Conservatives a majority, so that important issues can be addressed and not stalled by the Liberals. Me thinks its the Liberals who don't want a election.

Rob S


Alberta Brown
said

It's refreshing to have a Canadian government that is focusing on domestic and international issues, rather than one that is manipulating the Canadian people and focused on it's own infighting and CYA tactics. Even out of power, the Liberals can't seem to get along. As I have read in many comments, it's about time we can feel proud of what we are accomplishing as a country. Proud to be Canadian!


Trevor m...
said

Bravo. Canadians do not want an election. This speech was built to force an election at a time where the Conservatives see they can gain seats. It is a smart but truly unfortunate circumstance we are in when our government in power is pushing an angenda and then bashing the opposition for not opposing and voting it down.
This goes along with Stephen Harper's Conservative trick where you toss a very simmered agenda to all Canadians and when in a majority government start rolling out the ultra conservative agenda. Canadians can see this, the Liberals can see this. And this is why we don't want an election and why Dion has listened to Canadians.
It is time that government gets to work and does their job. Stop playing these stupid and silly games we want to see action in Parliamnet.


Virginia F.
said

What a sad state of affairs. We are living in a country where the opposition is not free to do what is right for fear that this minority government will win a majority. If the people of Canada are gullible enough to allow that to happen then let it happen. They deserve what they get. How soon we forget. What an uncaring people we have become.


Bruce
said

If the opposition is so keen on implementing Kyoto but doesn't want an election, why don't they defeat the government and ask the Governor General to let them form the government?


Ian
said

It looks like we are back to the "real" two parties in parliament battling out the important decisions. With the Bloc and NDP on the sidelines sounding like children.

Mr. Duceppe and his party are in real trouble at home so he has to rattle his sword no matter what.

As for Jack Layton...His party wins a seat in a by-election, and he is ready to put Canada to the expense of a full election on the hope he might win a couple more seats.

Sorry Jack...Canadians just won't buy into that.




Allan
said

There is only one real reason for the Liberals to trigger an election - so that they could lose and then lose Dion as leader. Then they could get a real leader who would go on to defeat Harper fair and square. Dion can't do it and everyone knows it. The Liberals are just prolonging their agony - and the agony of most Canadians.


David Jackson
said

I'm in the military, never mind being a spouse and I have no clue as to where you are getting you're info that this is a morale booster. This is a morale buster!! We have been overcommitted, overtasked and burn't out for years and this only makes the matter worse, as we can't even sustain our current mission, let alone another 2 more years to 2011. Since when is it a morale booster when troops have to redeploy 3-5 times to Afghanisan? Maybe you don't enjoy seeing your spouse, but I on the other hand do. I for one am tired at having to redeploy to that dump of a country for the 3rd time now and have no intentions of ever doing it again. Not only will I quit or refuse to go if told again, but I will also never vote Conservative again. While the Liberals may not have ever given us great equipment, at least they never over-committed us.


Anne
said

I am very pleased that PM Harper is making sure that work will be done in parliament instead of allowing the opposition to block everything. I haven't been this proud of my government in years, this is what real leadership is.

The comment of losing womens' rights is just another attempt to use fear to keep people in line, there is no truth to back this up, just lies. I don't feel that women need special rights or to be elevated above men. We are all people and already enjoy the same rights and privileges. I don't need a nanny state to speak for me or any special interest groups to be my voice. Those groups are not interested in the opinions of all women, just the ones who agree with their views.


A guy from Sask
said

I think extending the war till 2011 is worth calling an election over.

I also can't imagine people actually voting for the conservatives knowing that's there plan. This war is ruining Canada's image world wide.


Paul Hamison
said

If M. Dion is serious about wanting parliament to work, we can expect to see an end to the obstructionist approach that he adopted in the last parliament. Back then, it seemed that M. Dion tried to be a hindrance to virtually anything the government tried to do. The sad thing is that M. Dion failed to put forward any constructive alternatives. If M. Dion is now sincere about making parliament work, he will support the government's efforts to reform the Senate, make much needed improvements to the justice system, and improve the environment. Without the counter-productive obstructionism of the opposition parties, a great deal more would have been accomplished in the last pariliament.


Becky
said

I have to say that I am very proud of Mr. Harper's government for choosing to put forward a throne speech that sets a clear path for governing in the best interests of Canadians. Given current Liberal weakness, it must have been very tempting to include a "poison pill" that would have given the Liberals no choice but an election.

I think it is a mark of Harper's statesmanship to focus on governing rather than to tempt the winds of public opinion in the hopes of getting his majority now.

In the fall of 2009 when he calls an election as he has promised, he will have served this country long enough and well enough that the Liberal accusations of "hidden agenda" will go unheeded and Canadians will know that they can trust the Conservatives with a majority.

Since the Conservatives came to power, I have become so proud to be Canadian!



Mark W....A proud Canadian
said

It looks to me as if the 3 opposition leaders get together each week and discuss who is going to oppose and who is going to support the Conservatives. None of them want an election. Why would they? Jack Layton couldn’t make any policies that would work in the real world. Stephane Dion is going to be eaten by his own party no matter what happens. Gilles Duceppe will have the same job if there is an election or not (unless he loses seats). As for Stephen Harper, he is running the government well. Maybe, just maybe, a minority government works? As long as the Conservatives have no major scandals and are a minority government, the opposition leaders will not risk an election. They have more to lose then gain. The longer this goes on the weaker the opposition leaders look.


Fred
said

Pathetic, basically Dion is supporting the speech on the vote then criticizes every part. If you agree with it let the government do its job and if you disagree call an election its that simple. The liberals have little experience in opposition and maybe they should learn that opposition doesn't = oppose everything... As for the BLOC they are the most dishonest party, they planned to oppose the speech weeks before they even knew what was in it to look tough what a joke...


Paul W F
said

The throne speech was flimsy and paternalist and this government doesn't deserve to govern. For all of its transparency - has John Baird ever justified how in his climate change plan to comply with C288 he stated only 85 million certified emissions credits were available - arguing that Canada couldn't buy enought o offset its emissions under Kyoto? The fact was, 2 months beforehand there were over 900 million. The UNEP centre responsible for collating this information was amazed by the claim and said they had NEVER spoken to anyone from Canada's New Government.....

That's just one example. Harper's Arctic sovereignty posturing is totally unfounded and he does not need a deepwater for those (pretty useless) Arctic patrol boats. So, why does he want one - shipping coal to fuel Alberta's oil sands? Future LNG tankers? Berthing Panama-class shipping?

And the billions of dollars of taxpayers' money he has wasted in supporting his false policies that achieve nothing to tackle poverty cutting the GST does nothing. Substantially raising taxfree thresholds might. The guy and all his government are a sham.


Joe C
said

1) For the most part, I am quite happy with the Throne Speech. Not happy (yet not surprised) with the environment portion of it, but I think we need to tackle crime and poverty seriously. Good job on that front, Mr. Harper.

2) Mr. Layton: How does voting in favour of a Throne Speech imply that you have no leadership? Like, I'm failing to make the connection here. As far as I'm concerned, No vote for you.

3) It's clear to me that Harper is trying to force an election. I mean, his first bill after the Throne Speech is going to be a confidence vote with no amendments containing varying bills that did not pass last time (according to this article). That's not governing: that's just asking for an election.


MBdr in Shilo MB
said

I am in the Military as well. I agree with David Jackson on the morale and deployment. I won't go to Afghanistan again either.

However, I won't vote Liberal because they are the ones who cut back the military money and personal wise in the 90's as well as the ones who committed us to Afghanistan to begin with. They were the ones that had us in Bosnia and Afghanistan at the same time and were the ones burning us out.


AK from BC
said

The comments here tend to be too left or right leaning. Anyways... I personally do not support the Conservatives for the following reasons:

IMPROPER TAX CUTS
The GST tax cut last year was a total no-no. The poor had to pay more taxes so that the rich got some extra money in their pocket. It should have been the other way around to help those struggling to make ends meet. 10 extra cents from a purchase isn't enough to buy enough food for a family for a day. Rich people who are complaining they are not getting enough money should cut back on electricity, water, shelter, and needless purchases instead of wasting it. I am not sure what Mr. Harper wanted to achieve with the tax cuts.

ENVIRONMENTAL CHAOS
Although the Liberals had some blame for this, the Conservatives should be blamed as well for not taking any action at all in both the short and long term to address air pollution, water pollution, and global warming. I'm not sure why people say that global warming doesn't exist and that acting now will bankrupt the country. Acting later will bankrupt the country even more when we have to clean up the mess of pollution and global warming. Beware of what you wish for.

SECRECY, AND LOTS OF IT
The media has complained lots about their inability to get information from government departments. Secrecy, especially in the government level, makes it look if they are up to a conspiracy or something.


Only one thing has my approval at the moment, and that is their tougher stance on crime.

However, I don't support the Liberals because:

SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL
The mismanagement of the budget by the Liberals caused lots of money to disappear.

INACTION IN GOVERNMENT
The Liberals tend to be somewhat lazy in the sense of implementing things, although the same could be said for the Conservatives.


Rather, I support the NDP. Their policies appeal to me, and they haven't been in power yet. Maybe it is time for them to be in power? Testing them in a minority government won't hurt, would it?

Anyways, those are my thoughts.

- Allan Kuan


Pamela
said

As a military wife I am so sick of hearing about how great the Conservatives are. Without the support of other countries in Afghanistan it is a losing battle.

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